"Josh S" <Josh@clean.spam> wrote in message
news:Josh-CEE1DB.00293125102007@news.telus.net...
> In article <ffmvdv$gph$1@aioe.org>, "Cam" <Cams18@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>> "EdV" <systmengr@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1193187638.374142.303720@q3g2000prf.googlegro ups.com...
>> > Use the power of the internet. First, create a short ad in youtube to
>> > show off your car. After that, people can comment if its a scam or not.
>>
>>
>> Thanks Ed, I thought about that idea too but how can you prove to people
>> that your video is not a scam? It can be manipulated like photos. You
>> can't video all the way to 800-900 miles of driving, you have to stop and
>> start the video, this is where people will have doubt.
>>
>> I thought about having someone put a security tape on my gas cap to
>> guarantee that I will not refuel. This security tape must come from
>> someone
>> I do not know. What do you think about this idea?
>>
>> Cam
> First you need to submit your vehicle to a well respected test agency,
> to obtain an independent realistic report from their standard test
> circuit.
> Consumer Reports?
>
>> Thanks for your suggestion, I like your idea for the most part, except
>> that
>> this theory isn't just a single device, it is the integration of new
>> technology and the improvement of the old technology. It won't be easy
>> to
>> undo the work, because it took me 3 days to integrate and test them
>> together, so it will take equal time to undo and redo to use your method
>> of
>> measurement. I used the Fuel meter and known distance to measure the
>> performance along with my calculator. It's a simple math any one can
>> understand, because Distance, MPG and hours to drive are all related,
>> plus
>> you know your Tank capacity. On the Mercedes, there is a built-in
>> Computer
>> that tells you the MPG which is nice.
>
> Your last comments above have created doubt in my mind.
> Sounds a bit like the French air car, which hasn't burned up the roads.

Many carmakers designed their vehicles with unnecessary frictions, and you
paid so many thousands $$$ for saying "That's the way it ought to be
designed" by listening to the poor mechanics and your carmakers. Now you
can fix the frictions and save your dollars by using my expertise. Mechanics
can only do so much, they have fixed-minds.

I am not hungry for your dollars, I am here to help. If you don't need my
help then go on spend your dollars at the pumps.

Regards,

Cam.

 

"Josh S" <Josh@clean.spam> wrote in message
news:Josh-CEE1DB.00293125102007@news.telus.net...
> In article <ffmvdv$gph$1@aioe.org>, "Cam" <Cams18@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>> "EdV" <systmengr@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1193187638.374142.303720@q3g2000prf.googlegro ups.com...
>> > Use the power of the internet. First, create a short ad in youtube to
>> > show off your car. After that, people can comment if its a scam or not.
>>
>>
>> Thanks Ed, I thought about that idea too but how can you prove to people
>> that your video is not a scam? It can be manipulated like photos. You
>> can't video all the way to 800-900 miles of driving, you have to stop and
>> start the video, this is where people will have doubt.
>>
>> I thought about having someone put a security tape on my gas cap to
>> guarantee that I will not refuel. This security tape must come from
>> someone
>> I do not know. What do you think about this idea?
>>
>> Cam
> First you need to submit your vehicle to a well respected test agency,
> to obtain an independent realistic report from their standard test
> circuit.
> Consumer Reports?
>
>> Thanks for your suggestion, I like your idea for the most part, except
>> that
>> this theory isn't just a single device, it is the integration of new
>> technology and the improvement of the old technology. It won't be easy
>> to
>> undo the work, because it took me 3 days to integrate and test them
>> together, so it will take equal time to undo and redo to use your method
>> of
>> measurement. I used the Fuel meter and known distance to measure the
>> performance along with my calculator. It's a simple math any one can
>> understand, because Distance, MPG and hours to drive are all related,
>> plus
>> you know your Tank capacity. On the Mercedes, there is a built-in
>> Computer
>> that tells you the MPG which is nice.
>
> Your last comments above have created doubt in my mind.
> Sounds a bit like the French air car, which hasn't burned up the roads.

Many carmakers designed their vehicles with unnecessary frictions, and you
paid so many thousands $$$ for saying "That's the way it ought to be
designed" by listening to the poor mechanics and your carmakers. Now you
can fix the frictions and save your dollars by using my expertise. Mechanics
can only do so much, they have fixed-minds.

I am not hungry for your dollars, I am here to help. If you don't need my
help then go on spend your dollars at the pumps.

Regards,

Cam.

 

"cognite tute" <nospam@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:nbnUi.48463$RX.44692@newssvr11.news.prodigy.n et...
> Edward W. Thompson wrote:
>> On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 07:29:31 GMT, Josh S <Josh@clean.spam> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>In article <ffmvdv$gph$1@aioe.org>, "Cam" <Cams18@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>"EdV" <systmengr@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:1193187638.374142.303720@q3g2000prf.googl egroups.com...
>>>>
>>>>>Use the power of the internet. First, create a short ad in youtube to
>>>>>show off your car. After that, people can comment if its a scam or not.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Thanks Ed, I thought about that idea too but how can you prove to people
>>>>that your video is not a scam? It can be manipulated like photos. You
>>>>can't video all the way to 800-900 miles of driving, you have to stop
>>>>and
>>>>start the video, this is where people will have doubt.
>>>>
>>>>I thought about having someone put a security tape on my gas cap to
>>>>guarantee that I will not refuel. This security tape must come from
>>>>someone
>>>>I do not know. What do you think about this idea?
>>>>
>>>>Cam
>>>
>>>First you need to submit your vehicle to a well respected test agency,
>>>to obtain an independent realistic report from their standard test
>>>circuit.
>>>Consumer Reports?
>>>
>>>
>>>>Thanks for your suggestion, I like your idea for the most part, except
>>>>that
>>>>this theory isn't just a single device, it is the integration of new
>>>>technology and the improvement of the old technology. It won't be easy
>>>>to
>>>>undo the work, because it took me 3 days to integrate and test them
>>>>together, so it will take equal time to undo and redo to use your method
>>>>of
>>>>measurement. I used the Fuel meter and known distance to measure the
>>>>performance along with my calculator. It's a simple math any one can
>>>>understand, because Distance, MPG and hours to drive are all related,
>>>>plus
>>>>you know your Tank capacity. On the Mercedes, there is a built-in
>>>>Computer
>>>>that tells you the MPG which is nice.
>>>
>>>Your last comments above have created doubt in my mind.
>>>Sounds a bit like the French air car, which hasn't burned up the roads.
>>
>>
>> I really can't understand how you guys can give this claim any
>> credibility. Simply think it through. Without modifying the basic
>> engine and by simply modifying timing and the fuel injection
>> characteristics a very substantial invcrease in fuel consumption can
>> be achieved. If significant improvement in fuel consumption can so
>> easily be achieved why are manufacturers spending substantail money on
>> trying to improve fuel consumption by designing ever more economical
>> vehicles, hybrids, fuel cells and the like? The manufacturers'
>> engineers must be truly incompetent!
>
> You know, that's the problem, they are not.
>
> They are the best that money can buy.
>
> So, if the choice is either you are right and they are wrong, or you are
> wrong and they are right, well, I will go with the latter.
>
> Extreme claims require extreme proof.
>
> j.



Many carmakers designed their vehicles with unnecessary frictions, and you
paid so many thousands $$$ for saying "That's the way it ought to be
designed" by listening to the poor mechanics and your carmakers. Now you
can fix the frictions and save your dollars by using my expertise. Mechanics
can only do so much, they have fixed-minds.

I am not hungry for your dollars, I am here to help. If you don't need my
help then go on spend your dollars at the pumps.

Regards,

Cam.

 

"cognite tute" <nospam@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:nbnUi.48463$RX.44692@newssvr11.news.prodigy.n et...
> Edward W. Thompson wrote:
>> On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 07:29:31 GMT, Josh S <Josh@clean.spam> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>In article <ffmvdv$gph$1@aioe.org>, "Cam" <Cams18@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>"EdV" <systmengr@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:1193187638.374142.303720@q3g2000prf.googl egroups.com...
>>>>
>>>>>Use the power of the internet. First, create a short ad in youtube to
>>>>>show off your car. After that, people can comment if its a scam or not.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Thanks Ed, I thought about that idea too but how can you prove to people
>>>>that your video is not a scam? It can be manipulated like photos. You
>>>>can't video all the way to 800-900 miles of driving, you have to stop
>>>>and
>>>>start the video, this is where people will have doubt.
>>>>
>>>>I thought about having someone put a security tape on my gas cap to
>>>>guarantee that I will not refuel. This security tape must come from
>>>>someone
>>>>I do not know. What do you think about this idea?
>>>>
>>>>Cam
>>>
>>>First you need to submit your vehicle to a well respected test agency,
>>>to obtain an independent realistic report from their standard test
>>>circuit.
>>>Consumer Reports?
>>>
>>>
>>>>Thanks for your suggestion, I like your idea for the most part, except
>>>>that
>>>>this theory isn't just a single device, it is the integration of new
>>>>technology and the improvement of the old technology. It won't be easy
>>>>to
>>>>undo the work, because it took me 3 days to integrate and test them
>>>>together, so it will take equal time to undo and redo to use your method
>>>>of
>>>>measurement. I used the Fuel meter and known distance to measure the
>>>>performance along with my calculator. It's a simple math any one can
>>>>understand, because Distance, MPG and hours to drive are all related,
>>>>plus
>>>>you know your Tank capacity. On the Mercedes, there is a built-in
>>>>Computer
>>>>that tells you the MPG which is nice.
>>>
>>>Your last comments above have created doubt in my mind.
>>>Sounds a bit like the French air car, which hasn't burned up the roads.
>>
>>
>> I really can't understand how you guys can give this claim any
>> credibility. Simply think it through. Without modifying the basic
>> engine and by simply modifying timing and the fuel injection
>> characteristics a very substantial invcrease in fuel consumption can
>> be achieved. If significant improvement in fuel consumption can so
>> easily be achieved why are manufacturers spending substantail money on
>> trying to improve fuel consumption by designing ever more economical
>> vehicles, hybrids, fuel cells and the like? The manufacturers'
>> engineers must be truly incompetent!
>
> You know, that's the problem, they are not.
>
> They are the best that money can buy.
>
> So, if the choice is either you are right and they are wrong, or you are
> wrong and they are right, well, I will go with the latter.
>
> Extreme claims require extreme proof.
>
> j.



Many carmakers designed their vehicles with unnecessary frictions, and you
paid so many thousands $$$ for saying "That's the way it ought to be
designed" by listening to the poor mechanics and your carmakers. Now you
can fix the frictions and save your dollars by using my expertise. Mechanics
can only do so much, they have fixed-minds.

I am not hungry for your dollars, I am here to help. If you don't need my
help then go on spend your dollars at the pumps.

Regards,

Cam.

 

"Edward W. Thompson" <thomeduk1@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
news:nhv2i3tft5rdkno121je855fkmgfbt7l1v@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 07:29:31 GMT, Josh S <Josh@clean.spam> wrote:
>
>>In article <ffmvdv$gph$1@aioe.org>, "Cam" <Cams18@nospam.com> wrote:
>>
>>> "EdV" <systmengr@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:1193187638.374142.303720@q3g2000prf.googlegro ups.com...
>>> > Use the power of the internet. First, create a short ad in youtube to
>>> > show off your car. After that, people can comment if its a scam or
>>> > not.
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks Ed, I thought about that idea too but how can you prove to people
>>> that your video is not a scam? It can be manipulated like photos. You
>>> can't video all the way to 800-900 miles of driving, you have to stop
>>> and
>>> start the video, this is where people will have doubt.
>>>
>>> I thought about having someone put a security tape on my gas cap to
>>> guarantee that I will not refuel. This security tape must come from
>>> someone
>>> I do not know. What do you think about this idea?
>>>
>>> Cam
>>First you need to submit your vehicle to a well respected test agency,
>>to obtain an independent realistic report from their standard test
>>circuit.
>>Consumer Reports?
>>
>>> Thanks for your suggestion, I like your idea for the most part, except
>>> that
>>> this theory isn't just a single device, it is the integration of new
>>> technology and the improvement of the old technology. It won't be easy
>>> to
>>> undo the work, because it took me 3 days to integrate and test them
>>> together, so it will take equal time to undo and redo to use your method
>>> of
>>> measurement. I used the Fuel meter and known distance to measure the
>>> performance along with my calculator. It's a simple math any one can
>>> understand, because Distance, MPG and hours to drive are all related,
>>> plus
>>> you know your Tank capacity. On the Mercedes, there is a built-in
>>> Computer
>>> that tells you the MPG which is nice.
>>
>>Your last comments above have created doubt in my mind.
>>Sounds a bit like the French air car, which hasn't burned up the roads.
>
> I really can't understand how you guys can give this claim any
> credibility. Simply think it through. Without modifying the basic
> engine and by simply modifying timing and the fuel injection
> characteristics a very substantial invcrease in fuel consumption can
> be achieved. If significant improvement in fuel consumption can so
> easily be achieved why are manufacturers spending substantail money on
> trying to improve fuel consumption by designing ever more economical
> vehicles, hybrids, fuel cells and the like? The manufacturers'
> engineers must be truly incompetent!



Many carmakers designed their vehicles with unnecessary frictions (except
the hybridges), and you paid so many thousands $$$ for saying "That's the
way it ought to be designed" by listening to the poor mechanics and your
carmakers. Now you can fix the frictions and save your dollars by using my
expertise. Mechanics can only do so much, they have fixed-minds.

I am not hungry for your dollars, I am here to help. If you don't need my
help then go on spend your dollars at the pumps.

Regards,

Cam.

 

"Edward W. Thompson" <thomeduk1@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
news:nhv2i3tft5rdkno121je855fkmgfbt7l1v@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 07:29:31 GMT, Josh S <Josh@clean.spam> wrote:
>
>>In article <ffmvdv$gph$1@aioe.org>, "Cam" <Cams18@nospam.com> wrote:
>>
>>> "EdV" <systmengr@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:1193187638.374142.303720@q3g2000prf.googlegro ups.com...
>>> > Use the power of the internet. First, create a short ad in youtube to
>>> > show off your car. After that, people can comment if its a scam or
>>> > not.
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks Ed, I thought about that idea too but how can you prove to people
>>> that your video is not a scam? It can be manipulated like photos. You
>>> can't video all the way to 800-900 miles of driving, you have to stop
>>> and
>>> start the video, this is where people will have doubt.
>>>
>>> I thought about having someone put a security tape on my gas cap to
>>> guarantee that I will not refuel. This security tape must come from
>>> someone
>>> I do not know. What do you think about this idea?
>>>
>>> Cam
>>First you need to submit your vehicle to a well respected test agency,
>>to obtain an independent realistic report from their standard test
>>circuit.
>>Consumer Reports?
>>
>>> Thanks for your suggestion, I like your idea for the most part, except
>>> that
>>> this theory isn't just a single device, it is the integration of new
>>> technology and the improvement of the old technology. It won't be easy
>>> to
>>> undo the work, because it took me 3 days to integrate and test them
>>> together, so it will take equal time to undo and redo to use your method
>>> of
>>> measurement. I used the Fuel meter and known distance to measure the
>>> performance along with my calculator. It's a simple math any one can
>>> understand, because Distance, MPG and hours to drive are all related,
>>> plus
>>> you know your Tank capacity. On the Mercedes, there is a built-in
>>> Computer
>>> that tells you the MPG which is nice.
>>
>>Your last comments above have created doubt in my mind.
>>Sounds a bit like the French air car, which hasn't burned up the roads.
>
> I really can't understand how you guys can give this claim any
> credibility. Simply think it through. Without modifying the basic
> engine and by simply modifying timing and the fuel injection
> characteristics a very substantial invcrease in fuel consumption can
> be achieved. If significant improvement in fuel consumption can so
> easily be achieved why are manufacturers spending substantail money on
> trying to improve fuel consumption by designing ever more economical
> vehicles, hybrids, fuel cells and the like? The manufacturers'
> engineers must be truly incompetent!



Many carmakers designed their vehicles with unnecessary frictions (except
the hybridges), and you paid so many thousands $$$ for saying "That's the
way it ought to be designed" by listening to the poor mechanics and your
carmakers. Now you can fix the frictions and save your dollars by using my
expertise. Mechanics can only do so much, they have fixed-minds.

I am not hungry for your dollars, I am here to help. If you don't need my
help then go on spend your dollars at the pumps.

Regards,

Cam.

 

"Geoff Miller" <geoffm@lava.net> wrote in message
news:13i1j66n5g6use4@corp.supernews.com...
>
>
> Cam <Cams18@nospam.com> writes:
>
> : What you _should_ be apologizing for is being chauvinistic
> : about Americans, not mistaking somebody for one.
>
>> I think you need to trace where the fire started, and fix it
>> at the root level. Some of you started to make fun of me
>> first without any evidence. This is not the first time, back
>> in April 2007, I claimed I have successfully accomplished a
>> 50mpg, some of you called me Mr.. snake oil, now I went to
>> 65-73mpg, you still called me Mr. snake oil.
>
>
> Nice attempt at diversion. What's that got to do with your being
> chauvinistic toward Americans?
>
>
>
> Geoff
>
> --
> "When his life was ruined, his family killed, his farm destroyed,
> Job knelt down on the ground and yelled up to the heavens, 'Why,
> God? Why me?' and the thundering voice of God answered, 'There's
> just something about you that pisses me off.'" -- Stephen King



Diversion? You speak like a drunk. Should I apologize for telling you the
truth?

Sometimes you ought to think why America has so many problems? Are we being
cursed or what?

 

"Geoff Miller" <geoffm@lava.net> wrote in message
news:13i1j66n5g6use4@corp.supernews.com...
>
>
> Cam <Cams18@nospam.com> writes:
>
> : What you _should_ be apologizing for is being chauvinistic
> : about Americans, not mistaking somebody for one.
>
>> I think you need to trace where the fire started, and fix it
>> at the root level. Some of you started to make fun of me
>> first without any evidence. This is not the first time, back
>> in April 2007, I claimed I have successfully accomplished a
>> 50mpg, some of you called me Mr.. snake oil, now I went to
>> 65-73mpg, you still called me Mr. snake oil.
>
>
> Nice attempt at diversion. What's that got to do with your being
> chauvinistic toward Americans?
>
>
>
> Geoff
>
> --
> "When his life was ruined, his family killed, his farm destroyed,
> Job knelt down on the ground and yelled up to the heavens, 'Why,
> God? Why me?' and the thundering voice of God answered, 'There's
> just something about you that pisses me off.'" -- Stephen King



Diversion? You speak like a drunk. Should I apologize for telling you the
truth?

Sometimes you ought to think why America has so many problems? Are we being
cursed or what?

 

On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 05:24:35 -0800, "Cam" <Cam@aol.com> wrote:

>
>"Edward W. Thompson" <thomeduk1@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
>news:nhv2i3tft5rdkno121je855fkmgfbt7l1v@4ax.com.. .
>> On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 07:29:31 GMT, Josh S <Josh@clean.spam> wrote:
>>
>>>In article <ffmvdv$gph$1@aioe.org>, "Cam" <Cams18@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "EdV" <systmengr@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:1193187638.374142.303720@q3g2000prf.googlegro ups.com...
>>>> > Use the power of the internet. First, create a short ad in youtube to
>>>> > show off your car. After that, people can comment if its a scam or
>>>> > not.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks Ed, I thought about that idea too but how can you prove to people
>>>> that your video is not a scam? It can be manipulated like photos. You
>>>> can't video all the way to 800-900 miles of driving, you have to stop
>>>> and
>>>> start the video, this is where people will have doubt.
>>>>
>>>> I thought about having someone put a security tape on my gas cap to
>>>> guarantee that I will not refuel. This security tape must come from
>>>> someone
>>>> I do not know. What do you think about this idea?
>>>>
>>>> Cam
>>>First you need to submit your vehicle to a well respected test agency,
>>>to obtain an independent realistic report from their standard test
>>>circuit.
>>>Consumer Reports?
>>>
>>>> Thanks for your suggestion, I like your idea for the most part, except
>>>> that
>>>> this theory isn't just a single device, it is the integration of new
>>>> technology and the improvement of the old technology. It won't be easy
>>>> to
>>>> undo the work, because it took me 3 days to integrate and test them
>>>> together, so it will take equal time to undo and redo to use your method
>>>> of
>>>> measurement. I used the Fuel meter and known distance to measure the
>>>> performance along with my calculator. It's a simple math any one can
>>>> understand, because Distance, MPG and hours to drive are all related,
>>>> plus
>>>> you know your Tank capacity. On the Mercedes, there is a built-in
>>>> Computer
>>>> that tells you the MPG which is nice.
>>>
>>>Your last comments above have created doubt in my mind.
>>>Sounds a bit like the French air car, which hasn't burned up the roads.
>>
>> I really can't understand how you guys can give this claim any
>> credibility. Simply think it through. Without modifying the basic
>> engine and by simply modifying timing and the fuel injection
>> characteristics a very substantial invcrease in fuel consumption can
>> be achieved. If significant improvement in fuel consumption can so
>> easily be achieved why are manufacturers spending substantail money on
>> trying to improve fuel consumption by designing ever more economical
>> vehicles, hybrids, fuel cells and the like? The manufacturers'
>> engineers must be truly incompetent!
>
>
>
>Many carmakers designed their vehicles with unnecessary frictions (except
>the hybridges), and you paid so many thousands $$$ for saying "That's the
>way it ought to be designed" by listening to the poor mechanics and your
>carmakers. Now you can fix the frictions and save your dollars by using my
>expertise. Mechanics can only do so much, they have fixed-minds.
>
>I am not hungry for your dollars, I am here to help. If you don't need my
>help then go on spend your dollars at the pumps.
>
>Regards,
>
>Cam.
>
>
>
>
What are frictions? If you mean 'friction' losses due to frictyion in
automobile engines (bearings and piston rings) are very low. How are
you going to reduce/eliminate piston ring and bearing losses?

You seem to have all the characteristics of a 'nut case'.

 

On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 05:24:35 -0800, "Cam" <Cam@aol.com> wrote:

>
>"Edward W. Thompson" <thomeduk1@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
>news:nhv2i3tft5rdkno121je855fkmgfbt7l1v@4ax.com.. .
>> On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 07:29:31 GMT, Josh S <Josh@clean.spam> wrote:
>>
>>>In article <ffmvdv$gph$1@aioe.org>, "Cam" <Cams18@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "EdV" <systmengr@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:1193187638.374142.303720@q3g2000prf.googlegro ups.com...
>>>> > Use the power of the internet. First, create a short ad in youtube to
>>>> > show off your car. After that, people can comment if its a scam or
>>>> > not.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks Ed, I thought about that idea too but how can you prove to people
>>>> that your video is not a scam? It can be manipulated like photos. You
>>>> can't video all the way to 800-900 miles of driving, you have to stop
>>>> and
>>>> start the video, this is where people will have doubt.
>>>>
>>>> I thought about having someone put a security tape on my gas cap to
>>>> guarantee that I will not refuel. This security tape must come from
>>>> someone
>>>> I do not know. What do you think about this idea?
>>>>
>>>> Cam
>>>First you need to submit your vehicle to a well respected test agency,
>>>to obtain an independent realistic report from their standard test
>>>circuit.
>>>Consumer Reports?
>>>
>>>> Thanks for your suggestion, I like your idea for the most part, except
>>>> that
>>>> this theory isn't just a single device, it is the integration of new
>>>> technology and the improvement of the old technology. It won't be easy
>>>> to
>>>> undo the work, because it took me 3 days to integrate and test them
>>>> together, so it will take equal time to undo and redo to use your method
>>>> of
>>>> measurement. I used the Fuel meter and known distance to measure the
>>>> performance along with my calculator. It's a simple math any one can
>>>> understand, because Distance, MPG and hours to drive are all related,
>>>> plus
>>>> you know your Tank capacity. On the Mercedes, there is a built-in
>>>> Computer
>>>> that tells you the MPG which is nice.
>>>
>>>Your last comments above have created doubt in my mind.
>>>Sounds a bit like the French air car, which hasn't burned up the roads.
>>
>> I really can't understand how you guys can give this claim any
>> credibility. Simply think it through. Without modifying the basic
>> engine and by simply modifying timing and the fuel injection
>> characteristics a very substantial invcrease in fuel consumption can
>> be achieved. If significant improvement in fuel consumption can so
>> easily be achieved why are manufacturers spending substantail money on
>> trying to improve fuel consumption by designing ever more economical
>> vehicles, hybrids, fuel cells and the like? The manufacturers'
>> engineers must be truly incompetent!
>
>
>
>Many carmakers designed their vehicles with unnecessary frictions (except
>the hybridges), and you paid so many thousands $$$ for saying "That's the
>way it ought to be designed" by listening to the poor mechanics and your
>carmakers. Now you can fix the frictions and save your dollars by using my
>expertise. Mechanics can only do so much, they have fixed-minds.
>
>I am not hungry for your dollars, I am here to help. If you don't need my
>help then go on spend your dollars at the pumps.
>
>Regards,
>
>Cam.
>
>
>
>
What are frictions? If you mean 'friction' losses due to frictyion in
automobile engines (bearings and piston rings) are very low. How are
you going to reduce/eliminate piston ring and bearing losses?

You seem to have all the characteristics of a 'nut case'.

 

"Edward W. Thompson" <thomeduk1@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
news:1tloi3hb94j5c5ohhk4681k883qghmdqlk@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 05:24:35 -0800, "Cam" <Cam@aol.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Edward W. Thompson" <thomeduk1@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
>>news:nhv2i3tft5rdkno121je855fkmgfbt7l1v@4ax.com. ..
>>> On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 07:29:31 GMT, Josh S <Josh@clean.spam> wrote:
>>>
>>>>In article <ffmvdv$gph$1@aioe.org>, "Cam" <Cams18@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "EdV" <systmengr@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:1193187638.374142.303720@q3g2000prf.googlegro ups.com...
>>>>> > Use the power of the internet. First, create a short ad in youtube
>>>>> > to
>>>>> > show off your car. After that, people can comment if its a scam or
>>>>> > not.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks Ed, I thought about that idea too but how can you prove to
>>>>> people
>>>>> that your video is not a scam? It can be manipulated like photos.
>>>>> You
>>>>> can't video all the way to 800-900 miles of driving, you have to stop
>>>>> and
>>>>> start the video, this is where people will have doubt.
>>>>>
>>>>> I thought about having someone put a security tape on my gas cap to
>>>>> guarantee that I will not refuel. This security tape must come from
>>>>> someone
>>>>> I do not know. What do you think about this idea?
>>>>>
>>>>> Cam
>>>>First you need to submit your vehicle to a well respected test agency,
>>>>to obtain an independent realistic report from their standard test
>>>>circuit.
>>>>Consumer Reports?
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for your suggestion, I like your idea for the most part, except
>>>>> that
>>>>> this theory isn't just a single device, it is the integration of new
>>>>> technology and the improvement of the old technology. It won't be
>>>>> easy
>>>>> to
>>>>> undo the work, because it took me 3 days to integrate and test them
>>>>> together, so it will take equal time to undo and redo to use your
>>>>> method
>>>>> of
>>>>> measurement. I used the Fuel meter and known distance to measure the
>>>>> performance along with my calculator. It's a simple math any one can
>>>>> understand, because Distance, MPG and hours to drive are all related,
>>>>> plus
>>>>> you know your Tank capacity. On the Mercedes, there is a built-in
>>>>> Computer
>>>>> that tells you the MPG which is nice.
>>>>
>>>>Your last comments above have created doubt in my mind.
>>>>Sounds a bit like the French air car, which hasn't burned up the roads.
>>>
>>> I really can't understand how you guys can give this claim any
>>> credibility. Simply think it through. Without modifying the basic
>>> engine and by simply modifying timing and the fuel injection
>>> characteristics a very substantial invcrease in fuel consumption can
>>> be achieved. If significant improvement in fuel consumption can so
>>> easily be achieved why are manufacturers spending substantail money on
>>> trying to improve fuel consumption by designing ever more economical
>>> vehicles, hybrids, fuel cells and the like? The manufacturers'
>>> engineers must be truly incompetent!
>>
>>
>>
>>Many carmakers designed their vehicles with unnecessary frictions (except
>>the hybridges), and you paid so many thousands $$$ for saying "That's the
>>way it ought to be designed" by listening to the poor mechanics and your
>>carmakers. Now you can fix the frictions and save your dollars by using
>>my
>>expertise. Mechanics can only do so much, they have fixed-minds.
>>
>>I am not hungry for your dollars, I am here to help. If you don't need my
>>help then go on spend your dollars at the pumps.
>>
>>Regards,
>>
>>Cam.
>>
>>
>>
>>
> What are frictions? If you mean 'friction' losses due to frictyion in
> automobile engines (bearings and piston rings) are very low. How are
> you going to reduce/eliminate piston ring and bearing losses?
>
> You seem to have all the characteristics of a 'nut case'.

Hey you idiot,

Why don't you cut your talk and bring an equal car to raise for a 600 miles
mark, to see which car will stop for Gas first, and see which one will reach
destination without refueling. Shall we?

 

"Edward W. Thompson" <thomeduk1@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
news:1tloi3hb94j5c5ohhk4681k883qghmdqlk@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 05:24:35 -0800, "Cam" <Cam@aol.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Edward W. Thompson" <thomeduk1@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
>>news:nhv2i3tft5rdkno121je855fkmgfbt7l1v@4ax.com. ..
>>> On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 07:29:31 GMT, Josh S <Josh@clean.spam> wrote:
>>>
>>>>In article <ffmvdv$gph$1@aioe.org>, "Cam" <Cams18@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "EdV" <systmengr@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:1193187638.374142.303720@q3g2000prf.googlegro ups.com...
>>>>> > Use the power of the internet. First, create a short ad in youtube
>>>>> > to
>>>>> > show off your car. After that, people can comment if its a scam or
>>>>> > not.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks Ed, I thought about that idea too but how can you prove to
>>>>> people
>>>>> that your video is not a scam? It can be manipulated like photos.
>>>>> You
>>>>> can't video all the way to 800-900 miles of driving, you have to stop
>>>>> and
>>>>> start the video, this is where people will have doubt.
>>>>>
>>>>> I thought about having someone put a security tape on my gas cap to
>>>>> guarantee that I will not refuel. This security tape must come from
>>>>> someone
>>>>> I do not know. What do you think about this idea?
>>>>>
>>>>> Cam
>>>>First you need to submit your vehicle to a well respected test agency,
>>>>to obtain an independent realistic report from their standard test
>>>>circuit.
>>>>Consumer Reports?
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for your suggestion, I like your idea for the most part, except
>>>>> that
>>>>> this theory isn't just a single device, it is the integration of new
>>>>> technology and the improvement of the old technology. It won't be
>>>>> easy
>>>>> to
>>>>> undo the work, because it took me 3 days to integrate and test them
>>>>> together, so it will take equal time to undo and redo to use your
>>>>> method
>>>>> of
>>>>> measurement. I used the Fuel meter and known distance to measure the
>>>>> performance along with my calculator. It's a simple math any one can
>>>>> understand, because Distance, MPG and hours to drive are all related,
>>>>> plus
>>>>> you know your Tank capacity. On the Mercedes, there is a built-in
>>>>> Computer
>>>>> that tells you the MPG which is nice.
>>>>
>>>>Your last comments above have created doubt in my mind.
>>>>Sounds a bit like the French air car, which hasn't burned up the roads.
>>>
>>> I really can't understand how you guys can give this claim any
>>> credibility. Simply think it through. Without modifying the basic
>>> engine and by simply modifying timing and the fuel injection
>>> characteristics a very substantial invcrease in fuel consumption can
>>> be achieved. If significant improvement in fuel consumption can so
>>> easily be achieved why are manufacturers spending substantail money on
>>> trying to improve fuel consumption by designing ever more economical
>>> vehicles, hybrids, fuel cells and the like? The manufacturers'
>>> engineers must be truly incompetent!
>>
>>
>>
>>Many carmakers designed their vehicles with unnecessary frictions (except
>>the hybridges), and you paid so many thousands $$$ for saying "That's the
>>way it ought to be designed" by listening to the poor mechanics and your
>>carmakers. Now you can fix the frictions and save your dollars by using
>>my
>>expertise. Mechanics can only do so much, they have fixed-minds.
>>
>>I am not hungry for your dollars, I am here to help. If you don't need my
>>help then go on spend your dollars at the pumps.
>>
>>Regards,
>>
>>Cam.
>>
>>
>>
>>
> What are frictions? If you mean 'friction' losses due to frictyion in
> automobile engines (bearings and piston rings) are very low. How are
> you going to reduce/eliminate piston ring and bearing losses?
>
> You seem to have all the characteristics of a 'nut case'.

Hey you idiot,

Why don't you cut your talk and bring an equal car to raise for a 600 miles
mark, to see which car will stop for Gas first, and see which one will reach
destination without refueling. Shall we?

 

On Sun, 4 Nov 2007 22:03:47 -0800, "Cam" <Cam@aol.com> wrote:

>
>"Edward W. Thompson" <thomeduk1@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
>news:1tloi3hb94j5c5ohhk4681k883qghmdqlk@4ax.com.. .
>> On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 05:24:35 -0800, "Cam" <Cam@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Edward W. Thompson" <thomeduk1@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
>>>news:nhv2i3tft5rdkno121je855fkmgfbt7l1v@4ax.com ...
>>>> On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 07:29:31 GMT, Josh S <Josh@clean.spam> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>In article <ffmvdv$gph$1@aioe.org>, "Cam" <Cams18@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "EdV" <systmengr@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:1193187638.374142.303720@q3g2000prf.googlegro ups.com...
>>>>>> > Use the power of the internet. First, create a short ad in youtube
>>>>>> > to
>>>>>> > show off your car. After that, people can comment if its a scam or
>>>>>> > not.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks Ed, I thought about that idea too but how can you prove to
>>>>>> people
>>>>>> that your video is not a scam? It can be manipulated like photos.
>>>>>> You
>>>>>> can't video all the way to 800-900 miles of driving, you have to stop
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> start the video, this is where people will have doubt.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I thought about having someone put a security tape on my gas cap to
>>>>>> guarantee that I will not refuel. This security tape must come from
>>>>>> someone
>>>>>> I do not know. What do you think about this idea?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cam
>>>>>First you need to submit your vehicle to a well respected test agency,
>>>>>to obtain an independent realistic report from their standard test
>>>>>circuit.
>>>>>Consumer Reports?
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for your suggestion, I like your idea for the most part, except
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> this theory isn't just a single device, it is the integration of new
>>>>>> technology and the improvement of the old technology. It won't be
>>>>>> easy
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> undo the work, because it took me 3 days to integrate and test them
>>>>>> together, so it will take equal time to undo and redo to use your
>>>>>> method
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> measurement. I used the Fuel meter and known distance to measure the
>>>>>> performance along with my calculator. It's a simple math any one can
>>>>>> understand, because Distance, MPG and hours to drive are all related,
>>>>>> plus
>>>>>> you know your Tank capacity. On the Mercedes, there is a built-in
>>>>>> Computer
>>>>>> that tells you the MPG which is nice.
>>>>>
>>>>>Your last comments above have created doubt in my mind.
>>>>>Sounds a bit like the French air car, which hasn't burned up the roads.
>>>>
>>>> I really can't understand how you guys can give this claim any
>>>> credibility. Simply think it through. Without modifying the basic
>>>> engine and by simply modifying timing and the fuel injection
>>>> characteristics a very substantial invcrease in fuel consumption can
>>>> be achieved. If significant improvement in fuel consumption can so
>>>> easily be achieved why are manufacturers spending substantail money on
>>>> trying to improve fuel consumption by designing ever more economical
>>>> vehicles, hybrids, fuel cells and the like? The manufacturers'
>>>> engineers must be truly incompetent!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Many carmakers designed their vehicles with unnecessary frictions (except
>>>the hybridges), and you paid so many thousands $$$ for saying "That's the
>>>way it ought to be designed" by listening to the poor mechanics and your
>>>carmakers. Now you can fix the frictions and save your dollars by using
>>>my
>>>expertise. Mechanics can only do so much, they have fixed-minds.
>>>
>>>I am not hungry for your dollars, I am here to help. If you don't need my
>>>help then go on spend your dollars at the pumps.
>>>
>>>Regards,
>>>
>>>Cam.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> What are frictions? If you mean 'friction' losses due to frictyion in
>> automobile engines (bearings and piston rings) are very low. How are
>> you going to reduce/eliminate piston ring and bearing losses?
>>
>> You seem to have all the characteristics of a 'nut case'.
>
>Hey you idiot,
>
>Why don't you cut your talk and bring an equal car to raise for a 600 miles
>mark, to see which car will stop for Gas first, and see which one will reach
>destination without refueling. Shall we?
>
>
Touched a nerve did we? How about answering the question? Can't? Not
suprised!

 

On Sun, 4 Nov 2007 22:03:47 -0800, "Cam" <Cam@aol.com> wrote:

>
>"Edward W. Thompson" <thomeduk1@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
>news:1tloi3hb94j5c5ohhk4681k883qghmdqlk@4ax.com.. .
>> On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 05:24:35 -0800, "Cam" <Cam@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Edward W. Thompson" <thomeduk1@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
>>>news:nhv2i3tft5rdkno121je855fkmgfbt7l1v@4ax.com ...
>>>> On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 07:29:31 GMT, Josh S <Josh@clean.spam> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>In article <ffmvdv$gph$1@aioe.org>, "Cam" <Cams18@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "EdV" <systmengr@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:1193187638.374142.303720@q3g2000prf.googlegro ups.com...
>>>>>> > Use the power of the internet. First, create a short ad in youtube
>>>>>> > to
>>>>>> > show off your car. After that, people can comment if its a scam or
>>>>>> > not.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks Ed, I thought about that idea too but how can you prove to
>>>>>> people
>>>>>> that your video is not a scam? It can be manipulated like photos.
>>>>>> You
>>>>>> can't video all the way to 800-900 miles of driving, you have to stop
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> start the video, this is where people will have doubt.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I thought about having someone put a security tape on my gas cap to
>>>>>> guarantee that I will not refuel. This security tape must come from
>>>>>> someone
>>>>>> I do not know. What do you think about this idea?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cam
>>>>>First you need to submit your vehicle to a well respected test agency,
>>>>>to obtain an independent realistic report from their standard test
>>>>>circuit.
>>>>>Consumer Reports?
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for your suggestion, I like your idea for the most part, except
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> this theory isn't just a single device, it is the integration of new
>>>>>> technology and the improvement of the old technology. It won't be
>>>>>> easy
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> undo the work, because it took me 3 days to integrate and test them
>>>>>> together, so it will take equal time to undo and redo to use your
>>>>>> method
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> measurement. I used the Fuel meter and known distance to measure the
>>>>>> performance along with my calculator. It's a simple math any one can
>>>>>> understand, because Distance, MPG and hours to drive are all related,
>>>>>> plus
>>>>>> you know your Tank capacity. On the Mercedes, there is a built-in
>>>>>> Computer
>>>>>> that tells you the MPG which is nice.
>>>>>
>>>>>Your last comments above have created doubt in my mind.
>>>>>Sounds a bit like the French air car, which hasn't burned up the roads.
>>>>
>>>> I really can't understand how you guys can give this claim any
>>>> credibility. Simply think it through. Without modifying the basic
>>>> engine and by simply modifying timing and the fuel injection
>>>> characteristics a very substantial invcrease in fuel consumption can
>>>> be achieved. If significant improvement in fuel consumption can so
>>>> easily be achieved why are manufacturers spending substantail money on
>>>> trying to improve fuel consumption by designing ever more economical
>>>> vehicles, hybrids, fuel cells and the like? The manufacturers'
>>>> engineers must be truly incompetent!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Many carmakers designed their vehicles with unnecessary frictions (except
>>>the hybridges), and you paid so many thousands $$$ for saying "That's the
>>>way it ought to be designed" by listening to the poor mechanics and your
>>>carmakers. Now you can fix the frictions and save your dollars by using
>>>my
>>>expertise. Mechanics can only do so much, they have fixed-minds.
>>>
>>>I am not hungry for your dollars, I am here to help. If you don't need my
>>>help then go on spend your dollars at the pumps.
>>>
>>>Regards,
>>>
>>>Cam.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> What are frictions? If you mean 'friction' losses due to frictyion in
>> automobile engines (bearings and piston rings) are very low. How are
>> you going to reduce/eliminate piston ring and bearing losses?
>>
>> You seem to have all the characteristics of a 'nut case'.
>
>Hey you idiot,
>
>Why don't you cut your talk and bring an equal car to raise for a 600 miles
>mark, to see which car will stop for Gas first, and see which one will reach
>destination without refueling. Shall we?
>
>
Touched a nerve did we? How about answering the question? Can't? Not
suprised!

 

Please read this entire post before you attack me for defending Cam.

I think that a lot of people on here are stuck in a paradigm. Cam is
right that there are lots of places in an engine where there is
unnecessary friction. (Even if his english is not perfect, it is
better than any language I've tried to speak that isn't English.) This
has actually been proven by many people over the years. One of my
engineering professors worked for GM in the 70s and by redesigning
piston rings his team was able to raise fuel efficiency in some GM
engines by about 4%, which is not trivial. There are loads of places
where engineers accept that losses are present, and little is done
about it. The internal combustion engine is old technology that we
keep improving on, but aside from teh rotary engine, there isn't a
radically new type of IC technology. If you look at the wiseman crank,
at www.wisemanengine.com, you will see solid engineering that proves
that there are huge losses due to friction caused by the side to side
motion of the crank rod causing a binding tendency between the piston
skirt and the cylinder wall. Wiseman invented a way around this and
they have documented huge fuel savings. I have a hunch that
manufacturing costs are keeping it out of the mainstream. The Coates
engines(www.coatesengine.com) have a rotary valvetrain for higher
power and increased efficiency. It is a matter of a manufacturer being
willing to take the leap of investing in retooling, being able to sell
the public on the idea, and testing the hell out of a technology so
they don't get pie on their face when it starts failing at 40k miles
or 3 years like the reolutionary multilayered unibody chevy monzas(or
was it the Vegas?) that were stiff and light, but rusted in 3 years.
The original rotary engine was pretty much given up on by its inventor
when mazda took on the program. They couldn't seal it properly in a
way that woudl last. And over the years many have tried to build a
good rotary valve as an alternative to tapet valves. Rotary valves had
sealing problems or flow problems for years. Coates got around that.

There are solutions out there. Some have even been found.

Additionally, it is possible to increase efficiency by changing timing
and a few basic operating parameters of the engine. Check into the
miller cycle. It is a cycle that uses a different valve opening
algorythm to improve efficiency. Mazda toyed around with that in the
90s on more than one car, and the toyota prius uses it. It sacrifices
power for efficiency though. In today's horsepower race, that is not
the way to go.

So engineers today know about things like the Miller cycle, but in
every design solution there are compromises. They choose to bias more
towards performance than economy-thus no miller cycle. So some
solutions are not used because they come with unpreferable
compromises. Some because they are against the paradigm, some because
they don't have the proof of longevity, some because manufacturing
costs would be too high. There are many reasons that there may be a
legitimate way of saving gas that we don't currently have on our cars.

The question is does Cam have the answer? I'd bet the likeliness that
he has an original answer that can easily be modified into a newer car
is pretty small. Very small. Especially since he claims it is
noninvasive. Perhaps it is an already invented, yet not widely known
technology that he simply tells you about in the book. Changing the
ECU's mapping is not easy or cheap. Installing a wiseman crank
necessitates redesigning the entire lower end. Coates valves are a
total head replacement. Teflon coatings are not cheap. I just can't
imagine an easy noninvasive way of doing it. (But that doesn't mean
that someone else hasn't.)

I think that if the Wiseman crank were combined with the coates valves
and run with a miller cycle, or run on diesel, we could see
efficiencies much higher than we see now. But that is just me
dreaming. I'm not trying to sell you any books on it.

> You know, that's the problem, they are not.
>
> They are the best that money can buy.
>
> So, if the choice is either you are right and they are wrong, or you are
> wrong and they are right, well, I will go with the latter.
>
> Extreme claims require extreme proof.
>
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