You might enjoy a little converter at www.fast-math.org/motorfuelcost.htm
in which you can enter the approximate miles you drive per year, the
mileage your current car gets, and what another vehicle you're
considering will get, and then see how much money you'll save per
year.
Take care!
- Jeff

 

javawizard wrote:
> You might enjoy a little converter at
> www.fast-math.org/motorfuelcost.htm in which you can enter the
> approximate miles you drive per year, the mileage your current car
> gets, and what another vehicle you're considering will get, and then
> see how much money you'll save per
> year.
> Take care!
> - Jeff

It would be more meaningful if one could put in their percentage of highway
and city type driving into the calculation and the respective mileages for
both vehicles.

As an example, I usually drive 10K miles per year, with about 70% highway.
My current vehicle (2004 EXL V6) gets 22 mpg city, 30 mpg highway, while
hybrids get lower mileage highway then they do city driving conditions.

 

"L Alpert" <alpertl@xxgmail.com> wrote in message
news:bGf2j.20550$4V6.4645@newssvr14.news.prodigy.n et...
> javawizard wrote:
>
> As an example, I usually drive 10K miles per year, with about 70% highway.
> My current vehicle (2004 EXL V6) gets 22 mpg city, 30 mpg highway, while
> hybrids get lower mileage highway then they do city driving conditions.
>
That's not my experiences. My Prius gets 52 to 60 mpg on highway driving,
year around. Don't believe Toyota's listed ratings. In town it's stop and
go, ad nauseam. I get about 43 mpg in the summer and 38 mpg in the winter.
I don't jump start at intersections, but I don't hold up traffic by creeping
out either. I don't know how they are able to get away saying 60 in the city
unless it's all beltline driving. Most towns don't have beltlines.
(Besides, they are highways) Believe Consumers Reports when they say it's 46
mpg all around average. Like most people, I drive short trips in town and
not much highway travel.

I heard the EPA is finally waking up and changing their method to calculate
city driving. Up to now they cater to big business and not the consumer.

All in all. I love my Prius. I drive about 12k miles per year. No matter how
much Toyota and other companies lie, I still get two to three times the
mileage I've ever got on any compact car.

Mr Ed
http://www.ed-camin.com
http://home.earthlink.net/~bcamin/betty.htm
http://www.mountairykiwanis.org
http://www.ma-artleague.org
http://home.earthlink.net/~j3dogs/index.htm

 

In article <13kj47pregdrvf7@corp.supernews.com>,
"Mr Ed" <ecamin@earthlink.net> wrote:

> That's not my experiences. My Prius gets 52 to 60 mpg on highway driving,
> year around.

Bullshit.

 

On Nov 25, 10:34 am, "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <el...@nastydesigns.com>
wrote:
> In article <13kj47pregdr...@corp.supernews.com>,
> "Mr Ed" <eca...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> > That's not my experiences. My Prius gets 52 to 60 mpg on highway driving,
> > year around.
>
> Bullshit.

perhaps its highway driving downhill

 

In article
<f64b89e9-6098-4655-9ec0-133500d41ee1@b15g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>,
EdV <systmengr@hotmail.com> wrote:

> > > That's not my experiences. My Prius gets 52 to 60 mpg on highway driving,
> > > year around.
> >
> > Bullshit.
>
> perhaps its highway driving downhill

Or else he drives a steady 46mph on the highway.

The rest of what he says is right-on, but if he's in weather where he's
getting 38mpg in winter, then no normal highway driving shows him
52-60mpg year round.

 

go to http://www.greenhybrid.com/ & see real mileage databases, this gives
the mileage of real people in real time, tells you what % of mileage is city
& highway.

"L Alpert" <alpertl@xxgmail.com> wrote in message
news:bGf2j.20550$4V6.4645@newssvr14.news.prodigy.n et...
> javawizard wrote:
>> You might enjoy a little converter at
>> www.fast-math.org/motorfuelcost.htm in which you can enter the
>> approximate miles you drive per year, the mileage your current car
>> gets, and what another vehicle you're considering will get, and then
>> see how much money you'll save per
>> year.
>> Take care!
>> - Jeff
>
> It would be more meaningful if one could put in their percentage of
> highway and city type driving into the calculation and the respective
> mileages for both vehicles.
>
> As an example, I usually drive 10K miles per year, with about 70% highway.
> My current vehicle (2004 EXL V6) gets 22 mpg city, 30 mpg highway, while
> hybrids get lower mileage highway then they do city driving conditions.
>

 

On Nov 25, 7:30 pm, "Justbob30" <NoTh...@you.com> wrote:
> go tohttp://www.greenhybrid.com/& see real mileage databases, this gives
> the mileage of real people in real time, tells you what % of mileage is city
> & highway.
>
> "L Alpert" <alpe...@xxgmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:bGf2j.20550$4V6.4645@newssvr14.news.prodigy.n et...
>
> > javawizard wrote:
> >> You might enjoy a little converter at
> >>www.fast-math.org/motorfuelcost.htmin which you can enter the
> >> approximate miles you drive per year, the mileage your current car
> >> gets, and what another vehicle you're considering will get, and then
> >> see how much money you'll save per
> >> year.
> >> Take care!
> >> - Jeff
>
> > It would be more meaningful if one could put in their percentage of
> > highway and city type driving into the calculation and the respective
> > mileages for both vehicles.
>
> > As an example, I usually drive 10K miles per year, with about 70% highway.
> > My current vehicle (2004 EXL V6) gets 22 mpg city, 30 mpg highway, while
> > hybrids get lower mileage highway then they do city driving conditions.

Any site that shows Prius battery performance for the last 10 years...
they first came out in 97 right?

 

Go to the site, search for your keyword, few problems but I suspect that is
not what you want to hear.

"EdV" <systmengr@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:769d1f12-a4c3-4571-a291-0723ccbf61d1@e23g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> On Nov 25, 7:30 pm, "Justbob30" <NoTh...@you.com> wrote:
>> go tohttp://www.greenhybrid.com/& see real mileage databases, this gives
>> the mileage of real people in real time, tells you what % of mileage is
>> city
>> & highway.
>>
>> "L Alpert" <alpe...@xxgmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:bGf2j.20550$4V6.4645@newssvr14.news.prodigy.n et...
>>
>> > javawizard wrote:
>> >> You might enjoy a little converter at
>> >>www.fast-math.org/motorfuelcost.htmin which you can enter the
>> >> approximate miles you drive per year, the mileage your current car
>> >> gets, and what another vehicle you're considering will get, and then
>> >> see how much money you'll save per
>> >> year.
>> >> Take care!
>> >> - Jeff
>>
>> > It would be more meaningful if one could put in their percentage of
>> > highway and city type driving into the calculation and the respective
>> > mileages for both vehicles.
>>
>> > As an example, I usually drive 10K miles per year, with about 70%
>> > highway.
>> > My current vehicle (2004 EXL V6) gets 22 mpg city, 30 mpg highway,
>> > while
>> > hybrids get lower mileage highway then they do city driving conditions.
>
> Any site that shows Prius battery performance for the last 10 years...
> they first came out in 97 right?
>
>

 

On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 11:16:57 -0500, "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
<elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:

>In article
><f64b89e9-6098-4655-9ec0-133500d41ee1@b15g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>,
> EdV <systmengr@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> > > That's not my experiences. My Prius gets 52 to 60 mpg on highway driving,
>> > > year around.
>> >
>> > Bullshit.
>>
>> perhaps its highway driving downhill
>
>Or else he drives a steady 46mph on the highway.
>
>The rest of what he says is right-on, but if he's in weather where he's
>getting 38mpg in winter, then no normal highway driving shows him
>52-60mpg year round.

How's your sister Rosie O'Donnell?

WAVE

 

On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 23:31:46 -0800, "Justbob30" <NoThank@you.com>
wrote:

>Go to the site, search for your keyword, few problems but I suspect that is
>not what you want to hear.

All accounts are that hybrid batteries are holding up very well and
the companies don't expect to replace many under the 8 year warranty.
Toyota says it has not replaced a single battery pack due to wear and
tear or failure. That includes some Priuses with over 200,000 miles.





>
>"EdV" <systmengr@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:769d1f12-a4c3-4571-a291-0723ccbf61d1@e23g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>> On Nov 25, 7:30 pm, "Justbob30" <NoTh...@you.com> wrote:
>>> go tohttp://www.greenhybrid.com/& see real mileage databases, this gives
>>> the mileage of real people in real time, tells you what % of mileage is
>>> city
>>> & highway.
>>>
>>> "L Alpert" <alpe...@xxgmail.com> wrote in message
>>>
>>> news:bGf2j.20550$4V6.4645@newssvr14.news.prodigy.n et...
>>>
>>> > javawizard wrote:
>>> >> You might enjoy a little converter at
>>> >>www.fast-math.org/motorfuelcost.htmin which you can enter the
>>> >> approximate miles you drive per year, the mileage your current car
>>> >> gets, and what another vehicle you're considering will get, and then
>>> >> see how much money you'll save per
>>> >> year.
>>> >> Take care!
>>> >> - Jeff
>>>
>>> > It would be more meaningful if one could put in their percentage of
>>> > highway and city type driving into the calculation and the respective
>>> > mileages for both vehicles.
>>>
>>> > As an example, I usually drive 10K miles per year, with about 70%
>>> > highway.
>>> > My current vehicle (2004 EXL V6) gets 22 mpg city, 30 mpg highway,
>>> > while
>>> > hybrids get lower mileage highway then they do city driving conditions.
>>
>> Any site that shows Prius battery performance for the last 10 years...
>> they first came out in 97 right?
>>
>>

 

On Nov 27, 12:53 am, Gordon McGrew <RgEmMcOgVr...@mindspring.com>
wrote:
> On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 23:31:46 -0800, "Justbob30" <NoTh...@you.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Go to the site, search for your keyword, few problems but I suspect that is
> >not what you want to hear.
>
> All accounts are that hybrid batteries are holding up very well and
> the companies don't expect to replace many under the 8 year warranty.
> Toyota says it has not replaced a single battery pack due to wear and
> tear or failure. That includes some Priuses with over 200,000 miles.
>
>
>

Pardon my ignorance in hybrids, I dont personally know anyone who owns
a prius. I asked because I've seen some car ads selling used Prius
batteries. Who buys them if all hybrid batteries are holding up?,
maybe those car owners don't go to Toyota since used batteries are
cheaper. Though I dont know how complicated it is to DIY a hybrid
battery replacement. Are there companies who replace bad cells on a
hybrid battery pack such that they revive 2 scrap battery and create
one refurbished battery pack. Its just that I've heard this kind of
repair method on some laptop battery computers.

What would be an indication that a hybrid battery is going or gone
bad? poor mpg, stalled vehicle?

 

"Mr Ed" <ecamin@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:13kj47pregdrvf7@corp.supernews.com...
> "L Alpert" <alpertl@xxgmail.com> wrote in message
> news:bGf2j.20550$4V6.4645@newssvr14.news.prodigy.n et...
>> javawizard wrote:
>>
>> As an example, I usually drive 10K miles per year, with about 70%
>> highway. My current vehicle (2004 EXL V6) gets 22 mpg city, 30 mpg
>> highway, while hybrids get lower mileage highway then they do city
>> driving conditions.
>>
> That's not my experiences. My Prius gets 52 to 60 mpg on highway driving,

I have no experiences with a hybrid, but most manufacturers advertise a
lower MPG highway driving then city, at least in most of the commercial
material I have seen.

> year around. Don't believe Toyota's listed ratings. In town it's stop and
> go, ad nauseam. I get about 43 mpg in the summer and 38 mpg in the winter.
> I don't jump start at intersections, but I don't hold up traffic by
> creeping out either. I don't know how they are able to get away saying 60
> in the city unless it's all beltline driving. Most towns don't have
> beltlines. (Besides, they are highways) Believe Consumers Reports when
> they say it's 46 mpg all around average. Like most people, I drive short
> trips in town and not much highway travel.
>
> I heard the EPA is finally waking up and changing their method to
> calculate city driving. Up to now they cater to big business and not the
> consumer.
>
> All in all. I love my Prius. I drive about 12k miles per year. No matter
> how much Toyota and other companies lie, I still get two to three times
> the mileage I've ever got on any compact car.

I've gotten 35-38 average MPG in an old Subaru that I used to have (late
70's model). One would have thought it was powered by a squirrel cage,
though.

Quite good in the snow....

>
> Mr Ed
> http://www.ed-camin.com
> http://home.earthlink.net/~bcamin/betty.htm
> http://www.mountairykiwanis.org
> http://www.ma-artleague.org
> http://home.earthlink.net/~j3dogs/index.htm
>

 

"Justbob30" <NoThank@you.com> wrote in message
news:QoWdnbSL89skjtfanZ2dnUVZ_s-pnZ2d@comcast.com...
> go to http://www.greenhybrid.com/ & see real mileage databases, this gives
> the mileage of real people in real time, tells you what % of mileage is
> city & highway.

Very interesting....nice site.

>
> "L Alpert" <alpertl@xxgmail.com> wrote in message
> news:bGf2j.20550$4V6.4645@newssvr14.news.prodigy.n et...
>> javawizard wrote:
>>> You might enjoy a little converter at
>>> www.fast-math.org/motorfuelcost.htm in which you can enter the
>>> approximate miles you drive per year, the mileage your current car
>>> gets, and what another vehicle you're considering will get, and then
>>> see how much money you'll save per
>>> year.
>>> Take care!
>>> - Jeff
>>
>> It would be more meaningful if one could put in their percentage of
>> highway and city type driving into the calculation and the respective
>> mileages for both vehicles.
>>
>> As an example, I usually drive 10K miles per year, with about 70%
>> highway. My current vehicle (2004 EXL V6) gets 22 mpg city, 30 mpg
>> highway, while hybrids get lower mileage highway then they do city
>> driving conditions.
>>

 

In article <R623j.24797$JD.16681@newssvr21.news.prodigy.net >,
"L Alpert" <alpertl@xxgmail.com> wrote:

> I have no experiences with a hybrid, but most manufacturers advertise a
> lower MPG highway driving then city, at least in most of the commercial
> material I have seen.

In the US automakers are required to show only the EPA's figures, which
are faulty. Real Priuses usually get better fuel economy on the highway
than in stop-and-go city driving.