How to tell a genuine Honda Accord (05) Bumper from After market?
05-01-2007 | 05:54 PM
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Re: How to tell a genuine Honda Accord (05) Bumper from After market?
"Earle Horton" <earle@vascongado.usa> wrote in message
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> "Elle" <honda.lioness@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote in message
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>> "Guest" <llcoolj@aol.com> wrote
>> > I was thinking about asking them to let me see the parts
>> > before they begin. If it is painted already (was order
>> > today and they said it will be in tomorrow), then it will
>> > more likely than not be on mine. I just like it to be as
>> > it was. There are cruelty to animal laws, but you can't
>> > sue anyone when they decide to committ suicide with your
>> > car!
>>
>> Ask Geico what exactly the contract says about using OEM
>> body parts. Because as you continue to insist none of this
>> was your fault, I can only think you are also rationalizing
>> what Geico should give you vs. what the contract /you
>> signed/ says it should give you.
>>
>> Start flames. Then post the contract terms and take
>> responsibility for agreeing to them.
>>
> A bumper too might not be enough of a savings to justify the inevitable
> increase in insurance premiums that will occur. He says "I recently had
> an
> animal run into my car" but it's hard to conceive of any animal doing much
> damage to the bumper of a car that isn't moving. Whether it's "your
> fault"
> or not, insurance companies have actuarial tables, that say that people
> who
> get in accidents, get in more accidents.
>
> Earle
>
>
I am sorry. "An animal waited and jumped into my MOVING car that was going
at east 60 mph." I hope that they do not raise my premium since I have a
clean driving record. This is only my second time utilizing their services.
The first was a windshield that cracked for no reason.
05-01-2007 | 06:28 PM
#32
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Re: How to tell a genuine Honda Accord (05) Bumper from After market?
"Elle" <honda.lioness@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> "Jim Yanik" <jyanik@abuse.gov> wrote
>> "Guest" <llcoolj@aol.com> wrote
>>> There are cruelty to animal
>>> laws, but you can't sue anyone when they decide to committ suicide
>>> with your car!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Seems like you could sue the pet's owner in small claims court for
>> allowing
>> their pet to run loose and causing damage to your property.
>> Many locales have leash laws.
>>
>> You would need proof like a photo of the killed pet and it's dog tags,the
>> paperwork from the body shop,etc.;the more evidence,the better chances of
>> success.
>
> Plus proof of being sober; driving within the speed limit; driving on the
> road and not off it; not having a grudge against the pet's owner; not
> having poisoned said pet and thrown it against the car to get a new bumper
> when the old one had a little scratch; etc. I encourage the pet's owner to
> countersue at this point, because the OP looks like sharkbait to me.
Deepnds on the state one is in. IN New York we have a leash law. If my car
is damaged due to hitting a loose pet it is the owner of the pet that is at
fault. All I need to prove it is the dead animal and the damage. For the
pet owner to countersue in your above scenario, I DON'T have to prove I was
sober, grudged, etc... They have to prove it is true.
> Why are you encouraging this guy in his whine about the inevitable "stuff
> happens"? Cars get damaged. You can try to milk the insurance cos. for
> more than what the contract provides, and so push up rates for all, or you
> can read the contract BEFORE signing.
But if it is someone else's fault, why should one be out anything? I'm not
saying look for blame when there isn't any, but if there is blame, that's
the one who should pay.
>> I'm not a lawyer.
>
> Just supportive of their trade. :-)
No, just FAIR trade.
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> "Jim Yanik" <jyanik@abuse.gov> wrote
>> "Guest" <llcoolj@aol.com> wrote
>>> There are cruelty to animal
>>> laws, but you can't sue anyone when they decide to committ suicide
>>> with your car!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Seems like you could sue the pet's owner in small claims court for
>> allowing
>> their pet to run loose and causing damage to your property.
>> Many locales have leash laws.
>>
>> You would need proof like a photo of the killed pet and it's dog tags,the
>> paperwork from the body shop,etc.;the more evidence,the better chances of
>> success.
>
> Plus proof of being sober; driving within the speed limit; driving on the
> road and not off it; not having a grudge against the pet's owner; not
> having poisoned said pet and thrown it against the car to get a new bumper
> when the old one had a little scratch; etc. I encourage the pet's owner to
> countersue at this point, because the OP looks like sharkbait to me.
Deepnds on the state one is in. IN New York we have a leash law. If my car
is damaged due to hitting a loose pet it is the owner of the pet that is at
fault. All I need to prove it is the dead animal and the damage. For the
pet owner to countersue in your above scenario, I DON'T have to prove I was
sober, grudged, etc... They have to prove it is true.
> Why are you encouraging this guy in his whine about the inevitable "stuff
> happens"? Cars get damaged. You can try to milk the insurance cos. for
> more than what the contract provides, and so push up rates for all, or you
> can read the contract BEFORE signing.
But if it is someone else's fault, why should one be out anything? I'm not
saying look for blame when there isn't any, but if there is blame, that's
the one who should pay.
>> I'm not a lawyer.
>
> Just supportive of their trade. :-)
No, just FAIR trade.
05-01-2007 | 06:28 PM
#33
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Re: How to tell a genuine Honda Accord (05) Bumper from After market?
"Elle" <honda.lioness@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> "Jim Yanik" <jyanik@abuse.gov> wrote
>> "Guest" <llcoolj@aol.com> wrote
>>> There are cruelty to animal
>>> laws, but you can't sue anyone when they decide to committ suicide
>>> with your car!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Seems like you could sue the pet's owner in small claims court for
>> allowing
>> their pet to run loose and causing damage to your property.
>> Many locales have leash laws.
>>
>> You would need proof like a photo of the killed pet and it's dog tags,the
>> paperwork from the body shop,etc.;the more evidence,the better chances of
>> success.
>
> Plus proof of being sober; driving within the speed limit; driving on the
> road and not off it; not having a grudge against the pet's owner; not
> having poisoned said pet and thrown it against the car to get a new bumper
> when the old one had a little scratch; etc. I encourage the pet's owner to
> countersue at this point, because the OP looks like sharkbait to me.
Deepnds on the state one is in. IN New York we have a leash law. If my car
is damaged due to hitting a loose pet it is the owner of the pet that is at
fault. All I need to prove it is the dead animal and the damage. For the
pet owner to countersue in your above scenario, I DON'T have to prove I was
sober, grudged, etc... They have to prove it is true.
> Why are you encouraging this guy in his whine about the inevitable "stuff
> happens"? Cars get damaged. You can try to milk the insurance cos. for
> more than what the contract provides, and so push up rates for all, or you
> can read the contract BEFORE signing.
But if it is someone else's fault, why should one be out anything? I'm not
saying look for blame when there isn't any, but if there is blame, that's
the one who should pay.
>> I'm not a lawyer.
>
> Just supportive of their trade. :-)
No, just FAIR trade.
news:63NZh.10674$3P3.9934@newsread3.news.pas.earth link.net...
> "Jim Yanik" <jyanik@abuse.gov> wrote
>> "Guest" <llcoolj@aol.com> wrote
>>> There are cruelty to animal
>>> laws, but you can't sue anyone when they decide to committ suicide
>>> with your car!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Seems like you could sue the pet's owner in small claims court for
>> allowing
>> their pet to run loose and causing damage to your property.
>> Many locales have leash laws.
>>
>> You would need proof like a photo of the killed pet and it's dog tags,the
>> paperwork from the body shop,etc.;the more evidence,the better chances of
>> success.
>
> Plus proof of being sober; driving within the speed limit; driving on the
> road and not off it; not having a grudge against the pet's owner; not
> having poisoned said pet and thrown it against the car to get a new bumper
> when the old one had a little scratch; etc. I encourage the pet's owner to
> countersue at this point, because the OP looks like sharkbait to me.
Deepnds on the state one is in. IN New York we have a leash law. If my car
is damaged due to hitting a loose pet it is the owner of the pet that is at
fault. All I need to prove it is the dead animal and the damage. For the
pet owner to countersue in your above scenario, I DON'T have to prove I was
sober, grudged, etc... They have to prove it is true.
> Why are you encouraging this guy in his whine about the inevitable "stuff
> happens"? Cars get damaged. You can try to milk the insurance cos. for
> more than what the contract provides, and so push up rates for all, or you
> can read the contract BEFORE signing.
But if it is someone else's fault, why should one be out anything? I'm not
saying look for blame when there isn't any, but if there is blame, that's
the one who should pay.
>> I'm not a lawyer.
>
> Just supportive of their trade. :-)
No, just FAIR trade.
05-01-2007 | 08:18 PM
#34
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Posts: n/a
Re: How to tell a genuine Honda Accord (05) Bumper from After market?
"jrk" <BC80009mm@yahoo.com> wrote in
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>
>
>
> For what its worth, I've been told that after market body parts are
> not made to exactly match the OEM parts by design. Something about
> patents and such.
Nah, it's just that the aftermarket simply does not have the budget to
engineer the molds and dies the way Honda did. The appeal of aftermarket
direct-replacement is economy, not quality. They have to find ways of
making the parts cheaper than OEM, and that means cutting all the corners
they can.
Their materials are cheaper as well. Quality control is much laxer in the
aftermarket. They simply can't afford to throw away all the production that
the OEMs do.
The aftermarket does not have access to the OEM engineering CAD files and
blueprints, which are heavily guarded and protected. They have to get hold
of actual examples of the parts, then work backwards to obtain their own
specs. This is a terribly inaccurate way of engineering a part, especially
something as large and floppy as a bumper skin. And then they're only going
to spend so long welding up and grinding down the molds, since that takes
time and money, so...
I've been involved in the OEM process. The detailed engineering of OEM
parts is astoundingly expensive, exhaustingly intricate, and is only
justifiable in huge production quantities. Low-volume OEM parts are
developed the same way as high-volume OEM ones, but with a price that
reflects the small amortization base.
Remember, Honda made hundreds of thousands of bumpers. The aftermarket
makes a few thousand. Big, BIG difference.
--
Tegger
The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/
news:4637afa4$0$3579$815e3792@news.qwest.net:
>
>
>
> For what its worth, I've been told that after market body parts are
> not made to exactly match the OEM parts by design. Something about
> patents and such.
Nah, it's just that the aftermarket simply does not have the budget to
engineer the molds and dies the way Honda did. The appeal of aftermarket
direct-replacement is economy, not quality. They have to find ways of
making the parts cheaper than OEM, and that means cutting all the corners
they can.
Their materials are cheaper as well. Quality control is much laxer in the
aftermarket. They simply can't afford to throw away all the production that
the OEMs do.
The aftermarket does not have access to the OEM engineering CAD files and
blueprints, which are heavily guarded and protected. They have to get hold
of actual examples of the parts, then work backwards to obtain their own
specs. This is a terribly inaccurate way of engineering a part, especially
something as large and floppy as a bumper skin. And then they're only going
to spend so long welding up and grinding down the molds, since that takes
time and money, so...
I've been involved in the OEM process. The detailed engineering of OEM
parts is astoundingly expensive, exhaustingly intricate, and is only
justifiable in huge production quantities. Low-volume OEM parts are
developed the same way as high-volume OEM ones, but with a price that
reflects the small amortization base.
Remember, Honda made hundreds of thousands of bumpers. The aftermarket
makes a few thousand. Big, BIG difference.
--
Tegger
The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/
05-01-2007 | 08:18 PM
#35
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Re: How to tell a genuine Honda Accord (05) Bumper from After market?
"jrk" <BC80009mm@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:4637afa4$0$3579$815e3792@news.qwest.net:
>
>
>
> For what its worth, I've been told that after market body parts are
> not made to exactly match the OEM parts by design. Something about
> patents and such.
Nah, it's just that the aftermarket simply does not have the budget to
engineer the molds and dies the way Honda did. The appeal of aftermarket
direct-replacement is economy, not quality. They have to find ways of
making the parts cheaper than OEM, and that means cutting all the corners
they can.
Their materials are cheaper as well. Quality control is much laxer in the
aftermarket. They simply can't afford to throw away all the production that
the OEMs do.
The aftermarket does not have access to the OEM engineering CAD files and
blueprints, which are heavily guarded and protected. They have to get hold
of actual examples of the parts, then work backwards to obtain their own
specs. This is a terribly inaccurate way of engineering a part, especially
something as large and floppy as a bumper skin. And then they're only going
to spend so long welding up and grinding down the molds, since that takes
time and money, so...
I've been involved in the OEM process. The detailed engineering of OEM
parts is astoundingly expensive, exhaustingly intricate, and is only
justifiable in huge production quantities. Low-volume OEM parts are
developed the same way as high-volume OEM ones, but with a price that
reflects the small amortization base.
Remember, Honda made hundreds of thousands of bumpers. The aftermarket
makes a few thousand. Big, BIG difference.
--
Tegger
The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/
news:4637afa4$0$3579$815e3792@news.qwest.net:
>
>
>
> For what its worth, I've been told that after market body parts are
> not made to exactly match the OEM parts by design. Something about
> patents and such.
Nah, it's just that the aftermarket simply does not have the budget to
engineer the molds and dies the way Honda did. The appeal of aftermarket
direct-replacement is economy, not quality. They have to find ways of
making the parts cheaper than OEM, and that means cutting all the corners
they can.
Their materials are cheaper as well. Quality control is much laxer in the
aftermarket. They simply can't afford to throw away all the production that
the OEMs do.
The aftermarket does not have access to the OEM engineering CAD files and
blueprints, which are heavily guarded and protected. They have to get hold
of actual examples of the parts, then work backwards to obtain their own
specs. This is a terribly inaccurate way of engineering a part, especially
something as large and floppy as a bumper skin. And then they're only going
to spend so long welding up and grinding down the molds, since that takes
time and money, so...
I've been involved in the OEM process. The detailed engineering of OEM
parts is astoundingly expensive, exhaustingly intricate, and is only
justifiable in huge production quantities. Low-volume OEM parts are
developed the same way as high-volume OEM ones, but with a price that
reflects the small amortization base.
Remember, Honda made hundreds of thousands of bumpers. The aftermarket
makes a few thousand. Big, BIG difference.
--
Tegger
The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/
05-01-2007 | 09:03 PM
#36
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Re: How to tell a genuine Honda Accord (05) Bumper from After market?
"Guest" <llcoolj@aol.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Earle Horton" <earle@vascongado.usa> wrote in message
> news:4637aa86$0$31790$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
> > "Elle" <honda.lioness@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote in message
> > news:lVMZh.2701$296.2678@newsread4.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
> >> "Guest" <llcoolj@aol.com> wrote
> >> > I was thinking about asking them to let me see the parts
> >> > before they begin. If it is painted already (was order
> >> > today and they said it will be in tomorrow), then it will
> >> > more likely than not be on mine. I just like it to be as
> >> > it was. There are cruelty to animal laws, but you can't
> >> > sue anyone when they decide to committ suicide with your
> >> > car!
> >>
> >> Ask Geico what exactly the contract says about using OEM
> >> body parts. Because as you continue to insist none of this
> >> was your fault, I can only think you are also rationalizing
> >> what Geico should give you vs. what the contract /you
> >> signed/ says it should give you.
> >>
> >> Start flames. Then post the contract terms and take
> >> responsibility for agreeing to them.
> >>
> > A bumper too might not be enough of a savings to justify the inevitable
> > increase in insurance premiums that will occur. He says "I recently had
> > an
> > animal run into my car" but it's hard to conceive of any animal doing
much
> > damage to the bumper of a car that isn't moving. Whether it's "your
> > fault"
> > or not, insurance companies have actuarial tables, that say that people
> > who
> > get in accidents, get in more accidents.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> >
>
> I am sorry. "An animal waited and jumped into my MOVING car that was
going
> at east 60 mph." I hope that they do not raise my premium since I have a
> clean driving record. This is only my second time utilizing their
services.
> The first was a windshield that cracked for no reason.
>
Windshields are different. They just break, for no apparent reason. But
what insurance companies don't like, are claims. If you want to keep your
premiums down, pay for small repairs yourself. Or if you are a good driver,
save your pennies with a high deductible or no collision insurance at all
and you will eventually have enough to buy a new car. On a 2005 model the
bank probably made you get insurance, but most companies have a $1,000
deductible available.
Cheers,
Earle
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>
> "Earle Horton" <earle@vascongado.usa> wrote in message
> news:4637aa86$0$31790$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
> > "Elle" <honda.lioness@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote in message
> > news:lVMZh.2701$296.2678@newsread4.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
> >> "Guest" <llcoolj@aol.com> wrote
> >> > I was thinking about asking them to let me see the parts
> >> > before they begin. If it is painted already (was order
> >> > today and they said it will be in tomorrow), then it will
> >> > more likely than not be on mine. I just like it to be as
> >> > it was. There are cruelty to animal laws, but you can't
> >> > sue anyone when they decide to committ suicide with your
> >> > car!
> >>
> >> Ask Geico what exactly the contract says about using OEM
> >> body parts. Because as you continue to insist none of this
> >> was your fault, I can only think you are also rationalizing
> >> what Geico should give you vs. what the contract /you
> >> signed/ says it should give you.
> >>
> >> Start flames. Then post the contract terms and take
> >> responsibility for agreeing to them.
> >>
> > A bumper too might not be enough of a savings to justify the inevitable
> > increase in insurance premiums that will occur. He says "I recently had
> > an
> > animal run into my car" but it's hard to conceive of any animal doing
much
> > damage to the bumper of a car that isn't moving. Whether it's "your
> > fault"
> > or not, insurance companies have actuarial tables, that say that people
> > who
> > get in accidents, get in more accidents.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> >
>
> I am sorry. "An animal waited and jumped into my MOVING car that was
going
> at east 60 mph." I hope that they do not raise my premium since I have a
> clean driving record. This is only my second time utilizing their
services.
> The first was a windshield that cracked for no reason.
>
Windshields are different. They just break, for no apparent reason. But
what insurance companies don't like, are claims. If you want to keep your
premiums down, pay for small repairs yourself. Or if you are a good driver,
save your pennies with a high deductible or no collision insurance at all
and you will eventually have enough to buy a new car. On a 2005 model the
bank probably made you get insurance, but most companies have a $1,000
deductible available.
Cheers,
Earle
05-01-2007 | 09:03 PM
#37
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Re: How to tell a genuine Honda Accord (05) Bumper from After market?
"Guest" <llcoolj@aol.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Earle Horton" <earle@vascongado.usa> wrote in message
> news:4637aa86$0$31790$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
> > "Elle" <honda.lioness@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote in message
> > news:lVMZh.2701$296.2678@newsread4.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
> >> "Guest" <llcoolj@aol.com> wrote
> >> > I was thinking about asking them to let me see the parts
> >> > before they begin. If it is painted already (was order
> >> > today and they said it will be in tomorrow), then it will
> >> > more likely than not be on mine. I just like it to be as
> >> > it was. There are cruelty to animal laws, but you can't
> >> > sue anyone when they decide to committ suicide with your
> >> > car!
> >>
> >> Ask Geico what exactly the contract says about using OEM
> >> body parts. Because as you continue to insist none of this
> >> was your fault, I can only think you are also rationalizing
> >> what Geico should give you vs. what the contract /you
> >> signed/ says it should give you.
> >>
> >> Start flames. Then post the contract terms and take
> >> responsibility for agreeing to them.
> >>
> > A bumper too might not be enough of a savings to justify the inevitable
> > increase in insurance premiums that will occur. He says "I recently had
> > an
> > animal run into my car" but it's hard to conceive of any animal doing
much
> > damage to the bumper of a car that isn't moving. Whether it's "your
> > fault"
> > or not, insurance companies have actuarial tables, that say that people
> > who
> > get in accidents, get in more accidents.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> >
>
> I am sorry. "An animal waited and jumped into my MOVING car that was
going
> at east 60 mph." I hope that they do not raise my premium since I have a
> clean driving record. This is only my second time utilizing their
services.
> The first was a windshield that cracked for no reason.
>
Windshields are different. They just break, for no apparent reason. But
what insurance companies don't like, are claims. If you want to keep your
premiums down, pay for small repairs yourself. Or if you are a good driver,
save your pennies with a high deductible or no collision insurance at all
and you will eventually have enough to buy a new car. On a 2005 model the
bank probably made you get insurance, but most companies have a $1,000
deductible available.
Cheers,
Earle
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>
> "Earle Horton" <earle@vascongado.usa> wrote in message
> news:4637aa86$0$31790$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
> > "Elle" <honda.lioness@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote in message
> > news:lVMZh.2701$296.2678@newsread4.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
> >> "Guest" <llcoolj@aol.com> wrote
> >> > I was thinking about asking them to let me see the parts
> >> > before they begin. If it is painted already (was order
> >> > today and they said it will be in tomorrow), then it will
> >> > more likely than not be on mine. I just like it to be as
> >> > it was. There are cruelty to animal laws, but you can't
> >> > sue anyone when they decide to committ suicide with your
> >> > car!
> >>
> >> Ask Geico what exactly the contract says about using OEM
> >> body parts. Because as you continue to insist none of this
> >> was your fault, I can only think you are also rationalizing
> >> what Geico should give you vs. what the contract /you
> >> signed/ says it should give you.
> >>
> >> Start flames. Then post the contract terms and take
> >> responsibility for agreeing to them.
> >>
> > A bumper too might not be enough of a savings to justify the inevitable
> > increase in insurance premiums that will occur. He says "I recently had
> > an
> > animal run into my car" but it's hard to conceive of any animal doing
much
> > damage to the bumper of a car that isn't moving. Whether it's "your
> > fault"
> > or not, insurance companies have actuarial tables, that say that people
> > who
> > get in accidents, get in more accidents.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> >
>
> I am sorry. "An animal waited and jumped into my MOVING car that was
going
> at east 60 mph." I hope that they do not raise my premium since I have a
> clean driving record. This is only my second time utilizing their
services.
> The first was a windshield that cracked for no reason.
>
Windshields are different. They just break, for no apparent reason. But
what insurance companies don't like, are claims. If you want to keep your
premiums down, pay for small repairs yourself. Or if you are a good driver,
save your pennies with a high deductible or no collision insurance at all
and you will eventually have enough to buy a new car. On a 2005 model the
bank probably made you get insurance, but most companies have a $1,000
deductible available.
Cheers,
Earle
05-02-2007 | 04:31 PM
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Re: How to tell a genuine Honda Accord (05) Bumper from After market?
"Elle" <honda.lioness@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote in
news:63NZh.10674$3P3.9934@newsread3.news.pas.earth link.net:
> "Jim Yanik" <jyanik@abuse.gov> wrote
>> "Guest" <llcoolj@aol.com> wrote
>>> There are cruelty to animal
>>> laws, but you can't sue anyone when they decide to
>>> committ suicide
>>> with your car!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Seems like you could sue the pet's owner in small claims
>> court for allowing
>> their pet to run loose and causing damage to your
>> property.
>> Many locales have leash laws.
>>
>> You would need proof like a photo of the killed pet and
>> it's dog tags,the
>> paperwork from the body shop,etc.;the more evidence,the
>> better chances of
>> success.
>
> Plus proof of being sober; driving within the speed limit;
> driving on the road and not off it; not having a grudge
> against the pet's owner; not having poisoned said pet and
> thrown it against the car to get a new bumper when the old
> one had a little scratch; etc.
Wrong;you do NOT have to prove you are innocent or not at fault.
> I encourage the pet's owner
> to countersue at this point, because the OP looks like
> sharkbait to me.
>
> Why are you encouraging this guy in his whine about the
> inevitable "stuff happens"? Cars get damaged. You can try to
> milk the insurance cos. for more than what the contract
> provides, and so push up rates for all, or you can read the
> contract BEFORE signing.
Suing in small claims court does NOT affect auto insurance rates.
>
>> I'm not a lawyer.
>
> Just supportive of their trade. :-)
>
>
>
No,PET OWNERS need to be responsible for their pets,and that includes when
they are allowed to run loose and cause damage to other people's property.
Then they should pay for what their animal has caused.
In any case,the JUDGE would decide if the suit was worthy.
--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net
news:63NZh.10674$3P3.9934@newsread3.news.pas.earth link.net:
> "Jim Yanik" <jyanik@abuse.gov> wrote
>> "Guest" <llcoolj@aol.com> wrote
>>> There are cruelty to animal
>>> laws, but you can't sue anyone when they decide to
>>> committ suicide
>>> with your car!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Seems like you could sue the pet's owner in small claims
>> court for allowing
>> their pet to run loose and causing damage to your
>> property.
>> Many locales have leash laws.
>>
>> You would need proof like a photo of the killed pet and
>> it's dog tags,the
>> paperwork from the body shop,etc.;the more evidence,the
>> better chances of
>> success.
>
> Plus proof of being sober; driving within the speed limit;
> driving on the road and not off it; not having a grudge
> against the pet's owner; not having poisoned said pet and
> thrown it against the car to get a new bumper when the old
> one had a little scratch; etc.
Wrong;you do NOT have to prove you are innocent or not at fault.
> I encourage the pet's owner
> to countersue at this point, because the OP looks like
> sharkbait to me.
>
> Why are you encouraging this guy in his whine about the
> inevitable "stuff happens"? Cars get damaged. You can try to
> milk the insurance cos. for more than what the contract
> provides, and so push up rates for all, or you can read the
> contract BEFORE signing.
Suing in small claims court does NOT affect auto insurance rates.
>
>> I'm not a lawyer.
>
> Just supportive of their trade. :-)
>
>
>
No,PET OWNERS need to be responsible for their pets,and that includes when
they are allowed to run loose and cause damage to other people's property.
Then they should pay for what their animal has caused.
In any case,the JUDGE would decide if the suit was worthy.
--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net
05-02-2007 | 04:31 PM
#39
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Re: How to tell a genuine Honda Accord (05) Bumper from After market?
"Elle" <honda.lioness@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote in
news:63NZh.10674$3P3.9934@newsread3.news.pas.earth link.net:
> "Jim Yanik" <jyanik@abuse.gov> wrote
>> "Guest" <llcoolj@aol.com> wrote
>>> There are cruelty to animal
>>> laws, but you can't sue anyone when they decide to
>>> committ suicide
>>> with your car!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Seems like you could sue the pet's owner in small claims
>> court for allowing
>> their pet to run loose and causing damage to your
>> property.
>> Many locales have leash laws.
>>
>> You would need proof like a photo of the killed pet and
>> it's dog tags,the
>> paperwork from the body shop,etc.;the more evidence,the
>> better chances of
>> success.
>
> Plus proof of being sober; driving within the speed limit;
> driving on the road and not off it; not having a grudge
> against the pet's owner; not having poisoned said pet and
> thrown it against the car to get a new bumper when the old
> one had a little scratch; etc.
Wrong;you do NOT have to prove you are innocent or not at fault.
> I encourage the pet's owner
> to countersue at this point, because the OP looks like
> sharkbait to me.
>
> Why are you encouraging this guy in his whine about the
> inevitable "stuff happens"? Cars get damaged. You can try to
> milk the insurance cos. for more than what the contract
> provides, and so push up rates for all, or you can read the
> contract BEFORE signing.
Suing in small claims court does NOT affect auto insurance rates.
>
>> I'm not a lawyer.
>
> Just supportive of their trade. :-)
>
>
>
No,PET OWNERS need to be responsible for their pets,and that includes when
they are allowed to run loose and cause damage to other people's property.
Then they should pay for what their animal has caused.
In any case,the JUDGE would decide if the suit was worthy.
--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net
news:63NZh.10674$3P3.9934@newsread3.news.pas.earth link.net:
> "Jim Yanik" <jyanik@abuse.gov> wrote
>> "Guest" <llcoolj@aol.com> wrote
>>> There are cruelty to animal
>>> laws, but you can't sue anyone when they decide to
>>> committ suicide
>>> with your car!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Seems like you could sue the pet's owner in small claims
>> court for allowing
>> their pet to run loose and causing damage to your
>> property.
>> Many locales have leash laws.
>>
>> You would need proof like a photo of the killed pet and
>> it's dog tags,the
>> paperwork from the body shop,etc.;the more evidence,the
>> better chances of
>> success.
>
> Plus proof of being sober; driving within the speed limit;
> driving on the road and not off it; not having a grudge
> against the pet's owner; not having poisoned said pet and
> thrown it against the car to get a new bumper when the old
> one had a little scratch; etc.
Wrong;you do NOT have to prove you are innocent or not at fault.
> I encourage the pet's owner
> to countersue at this point, because the OP looks like
> sharkbait to me.
>
> Why are you encouraging this guy in his whine about the
> inevitable "stuff happens"? Cars get damaged. You can try to
> milk the insurance cos. for more than what the contract
> provides, and so push up rates for all, or you can read the
> contract BEFORE signing.
Suing in small claims court does NOT affect auto insurance rates.
>
>> I'm not a lawyer.
>
> Just supportive of their trade. :-)
>
>
>
No,PET OWNERS need to be responsible for their pets,and that includes when
they are allowed to run loose and cause damage to other people's property.
Then they should pay for what their animal has caused.
In any case,the JUDGE would decide if the suit was worthy.
--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net
05-02-2007 | 04:36 PM
#40
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: How to tell a genuine Honda Accord (05) Bumper from After market?
Tegger <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in
news:Xns9923CE64CF111tegger@207.14.116.130:
> "jrk" <BC80009mm@yahoo.com> wrote in
> news:4637afa4$0$3579$815e3792@news.qwest.net:
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>> For what its worth, I've been told that after market body parts are
>> not made to exactly match the OEM parts by design. Something about
>> patents and such.
>
>
>
> Nah, it's just that the aftermarket simply does not have the budget to
> engineer the molds and dies the way Honda did. The appeal of
> aftermarket direct-replacement is economy, not quality. They have to
> find ways of making the parts cheaper than OEM, and that means cutting
> all the corners they can.
>
> Their materials are cheaper as well. Quality control is much laxer in
> the aftermarket. They simply can't afford to throw away all the
> production that the OEMs do.
>
> The aftermarket does not have access to the OEM engineering CAD files
> and blueprints, which are heavily guarded and protected. They have to
> get hold of actual examples of the parts, then work backwards to
> obtain their own specs. This is a terribly inaccurate way of
> engineering a part, especially something as large and floppy as a
> bumper skin. And then they're only going to spend so long welding up
> and grinding down the molds, since that takes time and money, so...
>
> I've been involved in the OEM process. The detailed engineering of OEM
> parts is astoundingly expensive, exhaustingly intricate, and is only
> justifiable in huge production quantities. Low-volume OEM parts are
> developed the same way as high-volume OEM ones, but with a price that
> reflects the small amortization base.
>
> Remember, Honda made hundreds of thousands of bumpers. The aftermarket
> makes a few thousand. Big, BIG difference.
>
>
>
Actually,some other company probably makes the bumpers FOR Honda under
contract.
Honda buys lots of parts from local sources.Cats,exhaust parts,sensors,...
that's how they keep the US domestic content high enough to qualify as US-
made.
No reason why they can't make extra bumpers and sell them thru their own
distribution networks.
--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net
news:Xns9923CE64CF111tegger@207.14.116.130:
> "jrk" <BC80009mm@yahoo.com> wrote in
> news:4637afa4$0$3579$815e3792@news.qwest.net:
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>> For what its worth, I've been told that after market body parts are
>> not made to exactly match the OEM parts by design. Something about
>> patents and such.
>
>
>
> Nah, it's just that the aftermarket simply does not have the budget to
> engineer the molds and dies the way Honda did. The appeal of
> aftermarket direct-replacement is economy, not quality. They have to
> find ways of making the parts cheaper than OEM, and that means cutting
> all the corners they can.
>
> Their materials are cheaper as well. Quality control is much laxer in
> the aftermarket. They simply can't afford to throw away all the
> production that the OEMs do.
>
> The aftermarket does not have access to the OEM engineering CAD files
> and blueprints, which are heavily guarded and protected. They have to
> get hold of actual examples of the parts, then work backwards to
> obtain their own specs. This is a terribly inaccurate way of
> engineering a part, especially something as large and floppy as a
> bumper skin. And then they're only going to spend so long welding up
> and grinding down the molds, since that takes time and money, so...
>
> I've been involved in the OEM process. The detailed engineering of OEM
> parts is astoundingly expensive, exhaustingly intricate, and is only
> justifiable in huge production quantities. Low-volume OEM parts are
> developed the same way as high-volume OEM ones, but with a price that
> reflects the small amortization base.
>
> Remember, Honda made hundreds of thousands of bumpers. The aftermarket
> makes a few thousand. Big, BIG difference.
>
>
>
Actually,some other company probably makes the bumpers FOR Honda under
contract.
Honda buys lots of parts from local sources.Cats,exhaust parts,sensors,...
that's how they keep the US domestic content high enough to qualify as US-
made.
No reason why they can't make extra bumpers and sell them thru their own
distribution networks.
--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net
05-02-2007 | 04:36 PM
#41
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: How to tell a genuine Honda Accord (05) Bumper from After market?
Tegger <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in
news:Xns9923CE64CF111tegger@207.14.116.130:
> "jrk" <BC80009mm@yahoo.com> wrote in
> news:4637afa4$0$3579$815e3792@news.qwest.net:
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>> For what its worth, I've been told that after market body parts are
>> not made to exactly match the OEM parts by design. Something about
>> patents and such.
>
>
>
> Nah, it's just that the aftermarket simply does not have the budget to
> engineer the molds and dies the way Honda did. The appeal of
> aftermarket direct-replacement is economy, not quality. They have to
> find ways of making the parts cheaper than OEM, and that means cutting
> all the corners they can.
>
> Their materials are cheaper as well. Quality control is much laxer in
> the aftermarket. They simply can't afford to throw away all the
> production that the OEMs do.
>
> The aftermarket does not have access to the OEM engineering CAD files
> and blueprints, which are heavily guarded and protected. They have to
> get hold of actual examples of the parts, then work backwards to
> obtain their own specs. This is a terribly inaccurate way of
> engineering a part, especially something as large and floppy as a
> bumper skin. And then they're only going to spend so long welding up
> and grinding down the molds, since that takes time and money, so...
>
> I've been involved in the OEM process. The detailed engineering of OEM
> parts is astoundingly expensive, exhaustingly intricate, and is only
> justifiable in huge production quantities. Low-volume OEM parts are
> developed the same way as high-volume OEM ones, but with a price that
> reflects the small amortization base.
>
> Remember, Honda made hundreds of thousands of bumpers. The aftermarket
> makes a few thousand. Big, BIG difference.
>
>
>
Actually,some other company probably makes the bumpers FOR Honda under
contract.
Honda buys lots of parts from local sources.Cats,exhaust parts,sensors,...
that's how they keep the US domestic content high enough to qualify as US-
made.
No reason why they can't make extra bumpers and sell them thru their own
distribution networks.
--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net
news:Xns9923CE64CF111tegger@207.14.116.130:
> "jrk" <BC80009mm@yahoo.com> wrote in
> news:4637afa4$0$3579$815e3792@news.qwest.net:
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>> For what its worth, I've been told that after market body parts are
>> not made to exactly match the OEM parts by design. Something about
>> patents and such.
>
>
>
> Nah, it's just that the aftermarket simply does not have the budget to
> engineer the molds and dies the way Honda did. The appeal of
> aftermarket direct-replacement is economy, not quality. They have to
> find ways of making the parts cheaper than OEM, and that means cutting
> all the corners they can.
>
> Their materials are cheaper as well. Quality control is much laxer in
> the aftermarket. They simply can't afford to throw away all the
> production that the OEMs do.
>
> The aftermarket does not have access to the OEM engineering CAD files
> and blueprints, which are heavily guarded and protected. They have to
> get hold of actual examples of the parts, then work backwards to
> obtain their own specs. This is a terribly inaccurate way of
> engineering a part, especially something as large and floppy as a
> bumper skin. And then they're only going to spend so long welding up
> and grinding down the molds, since that takes time and money, so...
>
> I've been involved in the OEM process. The detailed engineering of OEM
> parts is astoundingly expensive, exhaustingly intricate, and is only
> justifiable in huge production quantities. Low-volume OEM parts are
> developed the same way as high-volume OEM ones, but with a price that
> reflects the small amortization base.
>
> Remember, Honda made hundreds of thousands of bumpers. The aftermarket
> makes a few thousand. Big, BIG difference.
>
>
>
Actually,some other company probably makes the bumpers FOR Honda under
contract.
Honda buys lots of parts from local sources.Cats,exhaust parts,sensors,...
that's how they keep the US domestic content high enough to qualify as US-
made.
No reason why they can't make extra bumpers and sell them thru their own
distribution networks.
--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net
05-02-2007 | 04:39 PM
#42
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: How to tell a genuine Honda Accord (05) Bumper from After market?
"Earle Horton" <earle@vascongado.usa> wrote in
news:4637e34d$0$31820$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om:
> "Guest" <llcoolj@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:mYmdnWutILu_KqrbnZ2dnUVZ_hKdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>> The first was a windshield that cracked for no reason.
>>
> Windshields are different. They just break, for no apparent reason.
> But what insurance companies don't like, are claims. If you want to
> keep your premiums down, pay for small repairs yourself. Or if you
> are a good driver, save your pennies with a high deductible or no
> collision insurance at all and you will eventually have enough to buy
> a new car. On a 2005 model the bank probably made you get insurance,
> but most companies have a $1,000 deductible available.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Earle
>
>
>
>
These days,fixed auto glass is GLUED in to add structural strength to the
body,and if the body flexes,the glass can crack or shatter.
Formerly,windshields used to "float" in a rubber gasket.
--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net
news:4637e34d$0$31820$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om:
> "Guest" <llcoolj@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:mYmdnWutILu_KqrbnZ2dnUVZ_hKdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>> The first was a windshield that cracked for no reason.
>>
> Windshields are different. They just break, for no apparent reason.
> But what insurance companies don't like, are claims. If you want to
> keep your premiums down, pay for small repairs yourself. Or if you
> are a good driver, save your pennies with a high deductible or no
> collision insurance at all and you will eventually have enough to buy
> a new car. On a 2005 model the bank probably made you get insurance,
> but most companies have a $1,000 deductible available.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Earle
>
>
>
>
These days,fixed auto glass is GLUED in to add structural strength to the
body,and if the body flexes,the glass can crack or shatter.
Formerly,windshields used to "float" in a rubber gasket.
--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net
05-02-2007 | 04:39 PM
#43
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: How to tell a genuine Honda Accord (05) Bumper from After market?
"Earle Horton" <earle@vascongado.usa> wrote in
news:4637e34d$0$31820$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om:
> "Guest" <llcoolj@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:mYmdnWutILu_KqrbnZ2dnUVZ_hKdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>> The first was a windshield that cracked for no reason.
>>
> Windshields are different. They just break, for no apparent reason.
> But what insurance companies don't like, are claims. If you want to
> keep your premiums down, pay for small repairs yourself. Or if you
> are a good driver, save your pennies with a high deductible or no
> collision insurance at all and you will eventually have enough to buy
> a new car. On a 2005 model the bank probably made you get insurance,
> but most companies have a $1,000 deductible available.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Earle
>
>
>
>
These days,fixed auto glass is GLUED in to add structural strength to the
body,and if the body flexes,the glass can crack or shatter.
Formerly,windshields used to "float" in a rubber gasket.
--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net
news:4637e34d$0$31820$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om:
> "Guest" <llcoolj@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:mYmdnWutILu_KqrbnZ2dnUVZ_hKdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>> The first was a windshield that cracked for no reason.
>>
> Windshields are different. They just break, for no apparent reason.
> But what insurance companies don't like, are claims. If you want to
> keep your premiums down, pay for small repairs yourself. Or if you
> are a good driver, save your pennies with a high deductible or no
> collision insurance at all and you will eventually have enough to buy
> a new car. On a 2005 model the bank probably made you get insurance,
> but most companies have a $1,000 deductible available.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Earle
>
>
>
>
These days,fixed auto glass is GLUED in to add structural strength to the
body,and if the body flexes,the glass can crack or shatter.
Formerly,windshields used to "float" in a rubber gasket.
--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net
05-02-2007 | 08:12 PM
#44
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: How to tell a genuine Honda Accord (05) Bumper from After market?
Jim Yanik <jyanik@abuse.gov> wrote in
news:Xns9924A9269A444jyanikkuanet@64.209.0.85:
> Tegger <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in
> news:Xns9923CE64CF111tegger@207.14.116.130:
>
>>
>> Remember, Honda made hundreds of thousands of bumpers. The
>> aftermarket makes a few thousand. Big, BIG difference.
>>
>>
>>
>
> Actually,some other company probably makes the bumpers FOR Honda under
> contract.
Of course. But that's irrelevant. The working drawings come from Honda,
The point is that Honda has the budget to develop the thing properly in the
first place, and has the clout to demand extremely high standards. The
aftermarket has none of that.
They may not be allowed to. Honda paid for the development, remember?
--
Tegger
The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/
news:Xns9924A9269A444jyanikkuanet@64.209.0.85:
> Tegger <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in
> news:Xns9923CE64CF111tegger@207.14.116.130:
>
>>
>> Remember, Honda made hundreds of thousands of bumpers. The
>> aftermarket makes a few thousand. Big, BIG difference.
>>
>>
>>
>
> Actually,some other company probably makes the bumpers FOR Honda under
> contract.
Of course. But that's irrelevant. The working drawings come from Honda,
The point is that Honda has the budget to develop the thing properly in the
first place, and has the clout to demand extremely high standards. The
aftermarket has none of that.
They may not be allowed to. Honda paid for the development, remember?
--
Tegger
The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/
05-02-2007 | 08:12 PM
#45
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: How to tell a genuine Honda Accord (05) Bumper from After market?
Jim Yanik <jyanik@abuse.gov> wrote in
news:Xns9924A9269A444jyanikkuanet@64.209.0.85:
> Tegger <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in
> news:Xns9923CE64CF111tegger@207.14.116.130:
>
>>
>> Remember, Honda made hundreds of thousands of bumpers. The
>> aftermarket makes a few thousand. Big, BIG difference.
>>
>>
>>
>
> Actually,some other company probably makes the bumpers FOR Honda under
> contract.
Of course. But that's irrelevant. The working drawings come from Honda,
The point is that Honda has the budget to develop the thing properly in the
first place, and has the clout to demand extremely high standards. The
aftermarket has none of that.
They may not be allowed to. Honda paid for the development, remember?
--
Tegger
The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/
news:Xns9924A9269A444jyanikkuanet@64.209.0.85:
> Tegger <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in
> news:Xns9923CE64CF111tegger@207.14.116.130:
>
>>
>> Remember, Honda made hundreds of thousands of bumpers. The
>> aftermarket makes a few thousand. Big, BIG difference.
>>
>>
>>
>
> Actually,some other company probably makes the bumpers FOR Honda under
> contract.
Of course. But that's irrelevant. The working drawings come from Honda,
The point is that Honda has the budget to develop the thing properly in the
first place, and has the clout to demand extremely high standards. The
aftermarket has none of that.
They may not be allowed to. Honda paid for the development, remember?
--
Tegger
The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/