Being an Olds fan from birth I was sorry to see it go. Would have preferred
them to sell Saturn to Honda, or kill Buick. But all of the Big three have
thier issues, and us dumb Americans who are looking to pad our own wallets
are ruining the true American economy buy selling land/businesses to other
countries. The other countries are smart and use the US immigrant laws
against us to our own demise. AND compared to where they come from, they
would LOVE to pump your gas, wash your windshied or otherwise get dirty to
provide us our creature comforts. Mexicans are taking over the skilled
trade jobs, electricians, builders etc becaue they will work for pennies an
hour and be happy to live in US squalor. You have Pakistanis taking over
every 7-11 and gas station in New Jersey, then the Japanese are taking over
industry. Do you realize that all a foriegn business owners have to do is
sign the company over back and forth to any of his kin to avoid some US
taxes?? (at least thats the way it is in NJ.) Tell me they are not playing
it smart.....they got our number and taking advantage and I wish I had it
figured out so I can take advantage of the American populous also.

So yes, "struggling" was a gross understatement.



"Steve Bigelow" <stevebigelowXXX@rogers.com> wrote in message
news:wiYQc.88$NXg1.11@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.ro gers.com...
>
> "Eightupman" <eightupman@newemail.com> wrote in message
> news:vQVQc.165965$wH4.10034766@twister.southeast.r r.com...
> > Pure speculation based on business dealings. Believe it or not (and as
> much
> > as I hate to admit) Honda is a growing force in the US
jobmarket/economy.
> > Based on the sheer numbers that Honda produces vehicles around the globe
> it
> > was probably very easy for Honda to underbid GM for the contract for the
> > engines. OR GM is just not willing to support Saturn in that capacity
> being
> > that Saturn was making thier own motors...not GM. GM being a partial
> owner
> > is struggling (ie demise of Oldsmobile)
>
> Lol....struggling?
> Is *that* what you deduced from them finally getting rid of the Olds
> division?
>
>

 

"Eightupman" <eightupman@newemail.com> wrote in message
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> Being an Olds fan from birth I was sorry to see it go. Would have
preferred
> them to sell Saturn to Honda, or kill Buick. But all of the Big three
have
> thier issues, and us dumb Americans who are looking to pad our own wallets
> are ruining the true American economy buy selling land/businesses to other
> countries. The other countries are smart and use the US immigrant laws
> against us to our own demise. AND compared to where they come from, they
> would LOVE to pump your gas, wash your windshied or otherwise get dirty to
> provide us our creature comforts. Mexicans are taking over the skilled
> trade jobs, electricians, builders etc becaue they will work for pennies
an
> hour and be happy to live in US squalor. You have Pakistanis taking over
> every 7-11 and gas station in New Jersey, then the Japanese are taking
over
> industry. Do you realize that all a foriegn business owners have to do is
> sign the company over back and forth to any of his kin to avoid some US
> taxes?? (at least thats the way it is in NJ.) Tell me they are not
playing
> it smart.....they got our number and taking advantage and I wish I had it
> figured out so I can take advantage of the American populous also.
>
> So yes, "struggling" was a gross understatement.


Uh-huh.

Let me know if you get around to discussing cars.



> "Steve Bigelow" <stevebigelowXXX@rogers.com> wrote in message
> news:wiYQc.88$NXg1.11@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.ro gers.com...
> >
> > "Eightupman" <eightupman@newemail.com> wrote in message
> > news:vQVQc.165965$wH4.10034766@twister.southeast.r r.com...
> > > Pure speculation based on business dealings. Believe it or not (and
as
> > much
> > > as I hate to admit) Honda is a growing force in the US
> jobmarket/economy.
> > > Based on the sheer numbers that Honda produces vehicles around the
globe
> > it
> > > was probably very easy for Honda to underbid GM for the contract for
the
> > > engines. OR GM is just not willing to support Saturn in that capacity
> > being
> > > that Saturn was making thier own motors...not GM. GM being a partial
> > owner
> > > is struggling (ie demise of Oldsmobile)
> >
> > Lol....struggling?
> > Is *that* what you deduced from them finally getting rid of the Olds
> > division?
> >
> >
>
>

 

"Eightupman" <eightupman@newemail.com> wrote in message
news:L3ZQc.165993$wH4.10059099@twister.southeast.r r.com...
> Being an Olds fan from birth I was sorry to see it go. Would have
preferred
> them to sell Saturn to Honda, or kill Buick. But all of the Big three
have
> thier issues, and us dumb Americans who are looking to pad our own wallets
> are ruining the true American economy buy selling land/businesses to other
> countries. The other countries are smart and use the US immigrant laws
> against us to our own demise. AND compared to where they come from, they
> would LOVE to pump your gas, wash your windshied or otherwise get dirty to
> provide us our creature comforts. Mexicans are taking over the skilled
> trade jobs, electricians, builders etc becaue they will work for pennies
an
> hour and be happy to live in US squalor. You have Pakistanis taking over
> every 7-11 and gas station in New Jersey, then the Japanese are taking
over
> industry. Do you realize that all a foriegn business owners have to do is
> sign the company over back and forth to any of his kin to avoid some US
> taxes?? (at least thats the way it is in NJ.) Tell me they are not
playing
> it smart.....they got our number and taking advantage and I wish I had it
> figured out so I can take advantage of the American populous also.
>
> So yes, "struggling" was a gross understatement.


Uh-huh.

Let me know if you get around to discussing cars.



> "Steve Bigelow" <stevebigelowXXX@rogers.com> wrote in message
> news:wiYQc.88$NXg1.11@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.ro gers.com...
> >
> > "Eightupman" <eightupman@newemail.com> wrote in message
> > news:vQVQc.165965$wH4.10034766@twister.southeast.r r.com...
> > > Pure speculation based on business dealings. Believe it or not (and
as
> > much
> > > as I hate to admit) Honda is a growing force in the US
> jobmarket/economy.
> > > Based on the sheer numbers that Honda produces vehicles around the
globe
> > it
> > > was probably very easy for Honda to underbid GM for the contract for
the
> > > engines. OR GM is just not willing to support Saturn in that capacity
> > being
> > > that Saturn was making thier own motors...not GM. GM being a partial
> > owner
> > > is struggling (ie demise of Oldsmobile)
> >
> > Lol....struggling?
> > Is *that* what you deduced from them finally getting rid of the Olds
> > division?
> >
> >
>
>

 

>
> Uh-huh.
>
> Let me know if you get around to discussing cars.
>


Nah......you'll figure it out all on your own.

 

>
> Uh-huh.
>
> Let me know if you get around to discussing cars.
>


Nah......you'll figure it out all on your own.

 

In article <L3ZQc.165993$wH4.10059099@twister.southeast.rr.co m>,
"Eightupman" <eightupman@newemail.com> wrote:

> Being an Olds fan from birth I was sorry to see it go. Would have preferred
> them to sell Saturn to Honda, or kill Buick. But all of the Big three have
> thier issues, and us dumb Americans who are looking to pad our own wallets
> are ruining the true American economy buy selling land/businesses to other
> countries.

That's not *exactly* it; it's the dumb Americans who can't see past
tomorrow, next week, or next quarter who are ruining business and the
economy.

Japan takes a long term view, very long term, and they have it right.

 

In article <L3ZQc.165993$wH4.10059099@twister.southeast.rr.co m>,
"Eightupman" <eightupman@newemail.com> wrote:

> Being an Olds fan from birth I was sorry to see it go. Would have preferred
> them to sell Saturn to Honda, or kill Buick. But all of the Big three have
> thier issues, and us dumb Americans who are looking to pad our own wallets
> are ruining the true American economy buy selling land/businesses to other
> countries.

That's not *exactly* it; it's the dumb Americans who can't see past
tomorrow, next week, or next quarter who are ruining business and the
economy.

Japan takes a long term view, very long term, and they have it right.

 

I agree with you 100% Better put than I did.

"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
news:elmop-27C1B6.16414607082004@text.usenetserver.com...
> In article <L3ZQc.165993$wH4.10059099@twister.southeast.rr.co m>,
> "Eightupman" <eightupman@newemail.com> wrote:
>
> > Being an Olds fan from birth I was sorry to see it go. Would have
preferred
> > them to sell Saturn to Honda, or kill Buick. But all of the Big three
have
> > thier issues, and us dumb Americans who are looking to pad our own
wallets
> > are ruining the true American economy buy selling land/businesses to
other
> > countries.
>
> That's not *exactly* it; it's the dumb Americans who can't see past
> tomorrow, next week, or next quarter who are ruining business and the
> economy.
>
> Japan takes a long term view, very long term, and they have it right.
>

 

I agree with you 100% Better put than I did.

"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
news:elmop-27C1B6.16414607082004@text.usenetserver.com...
> In article <L3ZQc.165993$wH4.10059099@twister.southeast.rr.co m>,
> "Eightupman" <eightupman@newemail.com> wrote:
>
> > Being an Olds fan from birth I was sorry to see it go. Would have
preferred
> > them to sell Saturn to Honda, or kill Buick. But all of the Big three
have
> > thier issues, and us dumb Americans who are looking to pad our own
wallets
> > are ruining the true American economy buy selling land/businesses to
other
> > countries.
>
> That's not *exactly* it; it's the dumb Americans who can't see past
> tomorrow, next week, or next quarter who are ruining business and the
> economy.
>
> Japan takes a long term view, very long term, and they have it right.
>