Honda Civic Hybrid
11-27-2005 | 04:58 PM
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Honda Civic Hybrid
I bought a 2004 Civic Hybrid about a year and a half ago, and have been VERY
happy with it. At this point, my average mileage, according to the panel
display is 42 mpg. I use it mostly in town and avoid freeways whenever
possible. Highway mileage is a bit better if I keep my speed at 65, but
drops pretty precipitately at speeds over 70.
I'm just wondering how this compares with the experience of other Civic
Hybrid owners.
happy with it. At this point, my average mileage, according to the panel
display is 42 mpg. I use it mostly in town and avoid freeways whenever
possible. Highway mileage is a bit better if I keep my speed at 65, but
drops pretty precipitately at speeds over 70.
I'm just wondering how this compares with the experience of other Civic
Hybrid owners.
11-27-2005 | 05:15 PM
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Re: Honda Civic Hybrid
After 2 years, I'm getting 33 summer 34 winter - very unhappy - dealer
checked, nothing showed up. 85 percent town driving.
On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 21:58:13 GMT, "Morgan Groves" <m_groves@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>I bought a 2004 Civic Hybrid about a year and a half ago, and have been VERY
>happy with it. At this point, my average mileage, according to the panel
>display is 42 mpg. I use it mostly in town and avoid freeways whenever
>possible. Highway mileage is a bit better if I keep my speed at 65, but
>drops pretty precipitately at speeds over 70.
>
>I'm just wondering how this compares with the experience of other Civic
>Hybrid owners.
>
checked, nothing showed up. 85 percent town driving.
On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 21:58:13 GMT, "Morgan Groves" <m_groves@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>I bought a 2004 Civic Hybrid about a year and a half ago, and have been VERY
>happy with it. At this point, my average mileage, according to the panel
>display is 42 mpg. I use it mostly in town and avoid freeways whenever
>possible. Highway mileage is a bit better if I keep my speed at 65, but
>drops pretty precipitately at speeds over 70.
>
>I'm just wondering how this compares with the experience of other Civic
>Hybrid owners.
>
11-27-2005 | 06:09 PM
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Re: Honda Civic Hybrid
In article <bubko1h8q50e0m3qkpglm6hptmj81tohcm@4ax.com>,
muzz <jmuzz@charter.net> wrote:
> After 2 years, I'm getting 33 summer 34 winter - very unhappy - dealer
> checked, nothing showed up. 85 percent town driving.
Wow, you can get better than that with an 06 non-hybrid Civic.
Shoot, I can get that with a 95 Corolla...
muzz <jmuzz@charter.net> wrote:
> After 2 years, I'm getting 33 summer 34 winter - very unhappy - dealer
> checked, nothing showed up. 85 percent town driving.
Wow, you can get better than that with an 06 non-hybrid Civic.
Shoot, I can get that with a 95 Corolla...
11-27-2005 | 08:32 PM
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Check out this website:
http://www.greenhybrid.com/compare/mileage/
It allows hybrid owners to submit their actual mileage results, and
pools that information to provide "typical" results for each model.
Granted, different people have different driving needs (ratio of city
vs. highway miles) as well as driving styles (leadfoot vs. "sipper"),
but it's a start...
On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 21:58:13 GMT, "Morgan Groves" <m_groves@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>I bought a 2004 Civic Hybrid about a year and a half ago, and have been VERY
>happy with it. At this point, my average mileage, according to the panel
>display is 42 mpg. I use it mostly in town and avoid freeways whenever
>possible. Highway mileage is a bit better if I keep my speed at 65, but
>drops pretty precipitately at speeds over 70.
>
>I'm just wondering how this compares with the experience of other Civic
>Hybrid owners.
>
http://www.greenhybrid.com/compare/mileage/
It allows hybrid owners to submit their actual mileage results, and
pools that information to provide "typical" results for each model.
Granted, different people have different driving needs (ratio of city
vs. highway miles) as well as driving styles (leadfoot vs. "sipper"),
but it's a start...
On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 21:58:13 GMT, "Morgan Groves" <m_groves@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>I bought a 2004 Civic Hybrid about a year and a half ago, and have been VERY
>happy with it. At this point, my average mileage, according to the panel
>display is 42 mpg. I use it mostly in town and avoid freeways whenever
>possible. Highway mileage is a bit better if I keep my speed at 65, but
>drops pretty precipitately at speeds over 70.
>
>I'm just wondering how this compares with the experience of other Civic
>Hybrid owners.
>
11-27-2005 | 08:57 PM
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Oh yeah- our 2004 Civic Hybrid (automatic) is averaging 42.7 mpg over
25,000 miles with a mix of about 50% city driving and 50% rural
road/hwy driving (hwy speeds usually around 70-80 mph)...
We're pretty happy with our car, although the A/C cutting off with the
engine at stops can be a little annoying on hot days (I believe the
2006 model has an electric compressor that runs the A/C even when the
car stops at intersections)
We are seriously considering an '06 Accord Hybrid as a second car for
our household, although we would be more inclined if they had mated
the IMA with the 4-cylinder (even better fuel economy, and the 4-cyl
does a pretty good job at moving the car on its own).
Cheers!
On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 21:58:13 GMT, "Morgan Groves" <m_groves@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>I bought a 2004 Civic Hybrid about a year and a half ago, and have been VERY
>happy with it. At this point, my average mileage, according to the panel
>display is 42 mpg. I use it mostly in town and avoid freeways whenever
>possible. Highway mileage is a bit better if I keep my speed at 65, but
>drops pretty precipitately at speeds over 70.
>
>I'm just wondering how this compares with the experience of other Civic
>Hybrid owners.
>
25,000 miles with a mix of about 50% city driving and 50% rural
road/hwy driving (hwy speeds usually around 70-80 mph)...
We're pretty happy with our car, although the A/C cutting off with the
engine at stops can be a little annoying on hot days (I believe the
2006 model has an electric compressor that runs the A/C even when the
car stops at intersections)
We are seriously considering an '06 Accord Hybrid as a second car for
our household, although we would be more inclined if they had mated
the IMA with the 4-cylinder (even better fuel economy, and the 4-cyl
does a pretty good job at moving the car on its own).
Cheers!
On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 21:58:13 GMT, "Morgan Groves" <m_groves@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>I bought a 2004 Civic Hybrid about a year and a half ago, and have been VERY
>happy with it. At this point, my average mileage, according to the panel
>display is 42 mpg. I use it mostly in town and avoid freeways whenever
>possible. Highway mileage is a bit better if I keep my speed at 65, but
>drops pretty precipitately at speeds over 70.
>
>I'm just wondering how this compares with the experience of other Civic
>Hybrid owners.
>
11-27-2005 | 10:05 PM
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Re: Honda Civic Hybrid
muzz wrote:
> After 2 years, I'm getting 33 summer 34 winter - very unhappy - dealer
> checked, nothing showed up. 85 percent town driving.
>
>
Rechargeable batteries take less and less of a charge as they accumulate
cycles. I very much wonder if this effect results in dropping fuel
economy over time with hybrids.
John
> After 2 years, I'm getting 33 summer 34 winter - very unhappy - dealer
> checked, nothing showed up. 85 percent town driving.
>
>
Rechargeable batteries take less and less of a charge as they accumulate
cycles. I very much wonder if this effect results in dropping fuel
economy over time with hybrids.
John
11-28-2005 | 07:38 AM
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Re: Honda Civic Hybrid
In article <VZpif.14146$Au1.6871@tornado.texas.rr.com>, Morgan Groves
<m_groves@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I bought a 2004 Civic Hybrid about a year and a half ago, and have been VERY
> happy with it. At this point, my average mileage, according to the panel
> display is 42 mpg. I use it mostly in town and avoid freeways whenever
> possible. Highway mileage is a bit better if I keep my speed at 65, but
> drops pretty precipitately at speeds over 70.
>
> I'm just wondering how this compares with the experience of other Civic
> Hybrid owners.
>
>
My experience after two years with a 2003 Civic Hybrid is about the
same as yours. By the panel I usually get 42 mpg. By actual calculation
of miles I've gone divided by gallons used, I'm getting right at 40
mpg. The vast majority of my miles are on city streets going to and
from work. That's what I got the hybrid for - an economical work car.
So I'm pretty happy averaging 40 mpg in very demanding stop and go
conditions.
Like you, I find I get very good mileage when going at between 50 and
65 miles an hour. And it drops pretty quickly at speeds over 70.
<m_groves@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I bought a 2004 Civic Hybrid about a year and a half ago, and have been VERY
> happy with it. At this point, my average mileage, according to the panel
> display is 42 mpg. I use it mostly in town and avoid freeways whenever
> possible. Highway mileage is a bit better if I keep my speed at 65, but
> drops pretty precipitately at speeds over 70.
>
> I'm just wondering how this compares with the experience of other Civic
> Hybrid owners.
>
>
My experience after two years with a 2003 Civic Hybrid is about the
same as yours. By the panel I usually get 42 mpg. By actual calculation
of miles I've gone divided by gallons used, I'm getting right at 40
mpg. The vast majority of my miles are on city streets going to and
from work. That's what I got the hybrid for - an economical work car.
So I'm pretty happy averaging 40 mpg in very demanding stop and go
conditions.
Like you, I find I get very good mileage when going at between 50 and
65 miles an hour. And it drops pretty quickly at speeds over 70.
11-28-2005 | 09:28 AM
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Re: Honda Civic Hybrid
On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 03:05:43 GMT, John Horner <jthorner@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>muzz wrote:
>> After 2 years, I'm getting 33 summer 34 winter - very unhappy - dealer
>> checked, nothing showed up. 85 percent town driving.
>>
>>
>
>
>Rechargeable batteries take less and less of a charge as they accumulate
>cycles. I very much wonder if this effect results in dropping fuel
>economy over time with hybrids.
not true, certainly not anywhere near true enough to be used as a
blanket statement. In many cases, its as much straight time as cycles,
and in other battery types, its mainly dependant on the type of cycle.
>
>John
wrote:
>muzz wrote:
>> After 2 years, I'm getting 33 summer 34 winter - very unhappy - dealer
>> checked, nothing showed up. 85 percent town driving.
>>
>>
>
>
>Rechargeable batteries take less and less of a charge as they accumulate
>cycles. I very much wonder if this effect results in dropping fuel
>economy over time with hybrids.
not true, certainly not anywhere near true enough to be used as a
blanket statement. In many cases, its as much straight time as cycles,
and in other battery types, its mainly dependant on the type of cycle.
>
>John
11-28-2005 | 05:06 PM
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Re: Honda Civic Hybrid
How does your (everyone who posted here) mileage compare to mileage of a gas
powered (non-hybrid) Civic?
And how much more does a hybrid cost?
"Gary Gorbet" <ggorbet@houston.rr.com> wrote in message
news:281120050638519526%ggorbet@houston.rr.com...
> In article <VZpif.14146$Au1.6871@tornado.texas.rr.com>, Morgan Groves
> <m_groves@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> I bought a 2004 Civic Hybrid about a year and a half ago, and have been
>> VERY
>> happy with it. At this point, my average mileage, according to the panel
>> display is 42 mpg. I use it mostly in town and avoid freeways whenever
>> possible. Highway mileage is a bit better if I keep my speed at 65, but
>> drops pretty precipitately at speeds over 70.
>>
>> I'm just wondering how this compares with the experience of other Civic
>> Hybrid owners.
>>
>>
> My experience after two years with a 2003 Civic Hybrid is about the
> same as yours. By the panel I usually get 42 mpg. By actual calculation
> of miles I've gone divided by gallons used, I'm getting right at 40
> mpg. The vast majority of my miles are on city streets going to and
> from work. That's what I got the hybrid for - an economical work car.
> So I'm pretty happy averaging 40 mpg in very demanding stop and go
> conditions.
>
> Like you, I find I get very good mileage when going at between 50 and
> 65 miles an hour. And it drops pretty quickly at speeds over 70.
powered (non-hybrid) Civic?
And how much more does a hybrid cost?
"Gary Gorbet" <ggorbet@houston.rr.com> wrote in message
news:281120050638519526%ggorbet@houston.rr.com...
> In article <VZpif.14146$Au1.6871@tornado.texas.rr.com>, Morgan Groves
> <m_groves@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> I bought a 2004 Civic Hybrid about a year and a half ago, and have been
>> VERY
>> happy with it. At this point, my average mileage, according to the panel
>> display is 42 mpg. I use it mostly in town and avoid freeways whenever
>> possible. Highway mileage is a bit better if I keep my speed at 65, but
>> drops pretty precipitately at speeds over 70.
>>
>> I'm just wondering how this compares with the experience of other Civic
>> Hybrid owners.
>>
>>
> My experience after two years with a 2003 Civic Hybrid is about the
> same as yours. By the panel I usually get 42 mpg. By actual calculation
> of miles I've gone divided by gallons used, I'm getting right at 40
> mpg. The vast majority of my miles are on city streets going to and
> from work. That's what I got the hybrid for - an economical work car.
> So I'm pretty happy averaging 40 mpg in very demanding stop and go
> conditions.
>
> Like you, I find I get very good mileage when going at between 50 and
> 65 miles an hour. And it drops pretty quickly at speeds over 70.
11-28-2005 | 05:45 PM
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Re: Honda Civic Hybrid
My gas 2002 Civic 5 sp gets 38 to 43 mpg depending of couse on how much more
time I send on highways.
"D.D. Pallmer" <ddpalmer@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> How does your (everyone who posted here) mileage compare to mileage of a
> gas powered (non-hybrid) Civic?
>
> And how much more does a hybrid cost?
>
>
>
> "Gary Gorbet" <ggorbet@houston.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:281120050638519526%ggorbet@houston.rr.com...
>> In article <VZpif.14146$Au1.6871@tornado.texas.rr.com>, Morgan Groves
>> <m_groves@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I bought a 2004 Civic Hybrid about a year and a half ago, and have been
>>> VERY
>>> happy with it. At this point, my average mileage, according to the
>>> panel
>>> display is 42 mpg. I use it mostly in town and avoid freeways whenever
>>> possible. Highway mileage is a bit better if I keep my speed at 65, but
>>> drops pretty precipitately at speeds over 70.
>>>
>>> I'm just wondering how this compares with the experience of other Civic
>>> Hybrid owners.
>>>
>>>
>> My experience after two years with a 2003 Civic Hybrid is about the
>> same as yours. By the panel I usually get 42 mpg. By actual calculation
>> of miles I've gone divided by gallons used, I'm getting right at 40
>> mpg. The vast majority of my miles are on city streets going to and
>> from work. That's what I got the hybrid for - an economical work car.
>> So I'm pretty happy averaging 40 mpg in very demanding stop and go
>> conditions.
>>
>> Like you, I find I get very good mileage when going at between 50 and
>> 65 miles an hour. And it drops pretty quickly at speeds over 70.
>
>
time I send on highways.
"D.D. Pallmer" <ddpalmer@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> How does your (everyone who posted here) mileage compare to mileage of a
> gas powered (non-hybrid) Civic?
>
> And how much more does a hybrid cost?
>
>
>
> "Gary Gorbet" <ggorbet@houston.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:281120050638519526%ggorbet@houston.rr.com...
>> In article <VZpif.14146$Au1.6871@tornado.texas.rr.com>, Morgan Groves
>> <m_groves@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I bought a 2004 Civic Hybrid about a year and a half ago, and have been
>>> VERY
>>> happy with it. At this point, my average mileage, according to the
>>> panel
>>> display is 42 mpg. I use it mostly in town and avoid freeways whenever
>>> possible. Highway mileage is a bit better if I keep my speed at 65, but
>>> drops pretty precipitately at speeds over 70.
>>>
>>> I'm just wondering how this compares with the experience of other Civic
>>> Hybrid owners.
>>>
>>>
>> My experience after two years with a 2003 Civic Hybrid is about the
>> same as yours. By the panel I usually get 42 mpg. By actual calculation
>> of miles I've gone divided by gallons used, I'm getting right at 40
>> mpg. The vast majority of my miles are on city streets going to and
>> from work. That's what I got the hybrid for - an economical work car.
>> So I'm pretty happy averaging 40 mpg in very demanding stop and go
>> conditions.
>>
>> Like you, I find I get very good mileage when going at between 50 and
>> 65 miles an hour. And it drops pretty quickly at speeds over 70.
>
>
11-29-2005 | 07:26 AM
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Exactly. I don't see the economics of buying a hybrid.
"Rob" <rdbdriver@blomand.net> wrote in message
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> My gas 2002 Civic 5 sp gets 38 to 43 mpg depending of couse on how much
> more time I send on highways.
>
>
> "D.D. Pallmer" <ddpalmer@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:2ZSdncCSBf3H4hbeRVn-iA@comcast.com...
>> How does your (everyone who posted here) mileage compare to mileage of a
>> gas powered (non-hybrid) Civic?
>>
>> And how much more does a hybrid cost?
>>
>>
>>
>> "Gary Gorbet" <ggorbet@houston.rr.com> wrote in message
>> news:281120050638519526%ggorbet@houston.rr.com...
>>> In article <VZpif.14146$Au1.6871@tornado.texas.rr.com>, Morgan Groves
>>> <m_groves@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I bought a 2004 Civic Hybrid about a year and a half ago, and have been
>>>> VERY
>>>> happy with it. At this point, my average mileage, according to the
>>>> panel
>>>> display is 42 mpg. I use it mostly in town and avoid freeways whenever
>>>> possible. Highway mileage is a bit better if I keep my speed at 65,
>>>> but
>>>> drops pretty precipitately at speeds over 70.
>>>>
>>>> I'm just wondering how this compares with the experience of other Civic
>>>> Hybrid owners.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> My experience after two years with a 2003 Civic Hybrid is about the
>>> same as yours. By the panel I usually get 42 mpg. By actual calculation
>>> of miles I've gone divided by gallons used, I'm getting right at 40
>>> mpg. The vast majority of my miles are on city streets going to and
>>> from work. That's what I got the hybrid for - an economical work car.
>>> So I'm pretty happy averaging 40 mpg in very demanding stop and go
>>> conditions.
>>>
>>> Like you, I find I get very good mileage when going at between 50 and
>>> 65 miles an hour. And it drops pretty quickly at speeds over 70.
>>
>>
>
>
"Rob" <rdbdriver@blomand.net> wrote in message
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> My gas 2002 Civic 5 sp gets 38 to 43 mpg depending of couse on how much
> more time I send on highways.
>
>
> "D.D. Pallmer" <ddpalmer@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:2ZSdncCSBf3H4hbeRVn-iA@comcast.com...
>> How does your (everyone who posted here) mileage compare to mileage of a
>> gas powered (non-hybrid) Civic?
>>
>> And how much more does a hybrid cost?
>>
>>
>>
>> "Gary Gorbet" <ggorbet@houston.rr.com> wrote in message
>> news:281120050638519526%ggorbet@houston.rr.com...
>>> In article <VZpif.14146$Au1.6871@tornado.texas.rr.com>, Morgan Groves
>>> <m_groves@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I bought a 2004 Civic Hybrid about a year and a half ago, and have been
>>>> VERY
>>>> happy with it. At this point, my average mileage, according to the
>>>> panel
>>>> display is 42 mpg. I use it mostly in town and avoid freeways whenever
>>>> possible. Highway mileage is a bit better if I keep my speed at 65,
>>>> but
>>>> drops pretty precipitately at speeds over 70.
>>>>
>>>> I'm just wondering how this compares with the experience of other Civic
>>>> Hybrid owners.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> My experience after two years with a 2003 Civic Hybrid is about the
>>> same as yours. By the panel I usually get 42 mpg. By actual calculation
>>> of miles I've gone divided by gallons used, I'm getting right at 40
>>> mpg. The vast majority of my miles are on city streets going to and
>>> from work. That's what I got the hybrid for - an economical work car.
>>> So I'm pretty happy averaging 40 mpg in very demanding stop and go
>>> conditions.
>>>
>>> Like you, I find I get very good mileage when going at between 50 and
>>> 65 miles an hour. And it drops pretty quickly at speeds over 70.
>>
>>
>
>
11-29-2005 | 03:47 PM
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"D.D. Pallmer" <ddpalmer@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> How does your (everyone who posted here) mileage compare to mileage of a
> gas powered (non-hybrid) Civic?
>
> And how much more does a hybrid cost?
I didn't buy my Civic Hybrid primarily in cost. I bought to save on gas,
and also because I enjoy innovative technology. No disappointment on either
score.
11-29-2005 | 05:59 PM
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In article <T73jf.25608$%i.19506@tornado.texas.rr.com>,
"Morgan Groves" <m_groves@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I didn't buy my Civic Hybrid primarily in cost. I bought to save on gas,
Why?
So you'll spend MORE for the privilege of using a bit less gas?
"Morgan Groves" <m_groves@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I didn't buy my Civic Hybrid primarily in cost. I bought to save on gas,
Why?
So you'll spend MORE for the privilege of using a bit less gas?
11-29-2005 | 08:32 PM
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Ah! The "toy factor"! I admit...that's an answer I can relate to! Enjoy it.
"Morgan Groves" <m_groves@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> "D.D. Pallmer" <ddpalmer@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:2ZSdncCSBf3H4hbeRVn-iA@comcast.com...
>> How does your (everyone who posted here) mileage compare to mileage of a
>> gas powered (non-hybrid) Civic?
>>
>> And how much more does a hybrid cost?
> I didn't buy my Civic Hybrid primarily in cost. I bought to save on gas,
> and also because I enjoy innovative technology. No disappointment on
> either score.
>
"Morgan Groves" <m_groves@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> "D.D. Pallmer" <ddpalmer@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:2ZSdncCSBf3H4hbeRVn-iA@comcast.com...
>> How does your (everyone who posted here) mileage compare to mileage of a
>> gas powered (non-hybrid) Civic?
>>
>> And how much more does a hybrid cost?
> I didn't buy my Civic Hybrid primarily in cost. I bought to save on gas,
> and also because I enjoy innovative technology. No disappointment on
> either score.
>
11-29-2005 | 11:55 PM
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"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
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> In article <T73jf.25608$%i.19506@tornado.texas.rr.com>,
> "Morgan Groves" <m_groves@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> I didn't buy my Civic Hybrid primarily in cost. I bought to save on gas,
>
> Why?
>
> So you'll spend MORE for the privilege of using a bit less gas?
I thought I said the technology fascinates me. It's roughly for the same
reason that I bought a Mazda RX4 about 30 years ago, and a Honda CRX Si in
1990. They're all fun to drive, and I like something different. What's
hard to understand about that?