Help: Battery light flickering
08-05-2003 | 10:23 AM
#1
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Help: Battery light flickering
Hi,
Just wondering if anyone else had this happen to them or if they know why it
might be happening.
Car is a 1994 Honda Civic SI and the battery light will flicker on (but
never actually stay on).
I've noticed that it usually happens when I'm on the highway and traveling
at a speed >125km/hr. RPMs are at around 3300.
Anyone else ever hear of this?
Thanks.
M
Just wondering if anyone else had this happen to them or if they know why it
might be happening.
Car is a 1994 Honda Civic SI and the battery light will flicker on (but
never actually stay on).
I've noticed that it usually happens when I'm on the highway and traveling
at a speed >125km/hr. RPMs are at around 3300.
Anyone else ever hear of this?
Thanks.
M
08-05-2003 | 11:36 AM
#2
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Re: Help: Battery light flickering
Thanks Tony,
I will do that. The battery is fairly new ( 1 yr old ) so I didn't think it
would be that. I assumed a loose connection or something like that but I
just found it odd that it happens whenever I'm RPMing at >3300 or traveling
>120km/hr.
BTW, are you speaking from experience?
M
"Tony Hwang" <dragon40@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:0SPXa.630420$ro6.13558816@news2.calgary.shaw. ca...
> Hi,
> Time to check your charging system and battery before it is too late.
> Tony
>
> Mikey Moe wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Just wondering if anyone else had this happen to them or if they know
why it
> > might be happening.
> >
> > Car is a 1994 Honda Civic SI and the battery light will flicker on (but
> > never actually stay on).
> > I've noticed that it usually happens when I'm on the highway and
traveling
> > at a speed >125km/hr. RPMs are at around 3300.
> >
> > Anyone else ever hear of this?
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > M
> >
> >
>
I will do that. The battery is fairly new ( 1 yr old ) so I didn't think it
would be that. I assumed a loose connection or something like that but I
just found it odd that it happens whenever I'm RPMing at >3300 or traveling
>120km/hr.
BTW, are you speaking from experience?
M
"Tony Hwang" <dragon40@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:0SPXa.630420$ro6.13558816@news2.calgary.shaw. ca...
> Hi,
> Time to check your charging system and battery before it is too late.
> Tony
>
> Mikey Moe wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Just wondering if anyone else had this happen to them or if they know
why it
> > might be happening.
> >
> > Car is a 1994 Honda Civic SI and the battery light will flicker on (but
> > never actually stay on).
> > I've noticed that it usually happens when I'm on the highway and
traveling
> > at a speed >125km/hr. RPMs are at around 3300.
> >
> > Anyone else ever hear of this?
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > M
> >
> >
>
08-05-2003 | 11:36 AM
#3
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Re: Help: Battery light flickering
Thanks Tony,
I will do that. The battery is fairly new ( 1 yr old ) so I didn't think it
would be that. I assumed a loose connection or something like that but I
just found it odd that it happens whenever I'm RPMing at >3300 or traveling
>120km/hr.
BTW, are you speaking from experience?
M
"Tony Hwang" <dragon40@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:0SPXa.630420$ro6.13558816@news2.calgary.shaw. ca...
> Hi,
> Time to check your charging system and battery before it is too late.
> Tony
>
> Mikey Moe wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Just wondering if anyone else had this happen to them or if they know
why it
> > might be happening.
> >
> > Car is a 1994 Honda Civic SI and the battery light will flicker on (but
> > never actually stay on).
> > I've noticed that it usually happens when I'm on the highway and
traveling
> > at a speed >125km/hr. RPMs are at around 3300.
> >
> > Anyone else ever hear of this?
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > M
> >
> >
>
I will do that. The battery is fairly new ( 1 yr old ) so I didn't think it
would be that. I assumed a loose connection or something like that but I
just found it odd that it happens whenever I'm RPMing at >3300 or traveling
>120km/hr.
BTW, are you speaking from experience?
M
"Tony Hwang" <dragon40@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:0SPXa.630420$ro6.13558816@news2.calgary.shaw. ca...
> Hi,
> Time to check your charging system and battery before it is too late.
> Tony
>
> Mikey Moe wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Just wondering if anyone else had this happen to them or if they know
why it
> > might be happening.
> >
> > Car is a 1994 Honda Civic SI and the battery light will flicker on (but
> > never actually stay on).
> > I've noticed that it usually happens when I'm on the highway and
traveling
> > at a speed >125km/hr. RPMs are at around 3300.
> >
> > Anyone else ever hear of this?
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > M
> >
> >
>
08-05-2003 | 02:23 PM
#4
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Re: Help: Battery light flickering
Hi,
Sounds like your alt. is starting to fail.
"Mikey Moe" <gpgmike@hotmail-a-licious.com> wrote in message
news:9dQXa.1171$ZV6.125228@news20.bellglobal.com.. .
> Thanks Tony,
>
> I will do that. The battery is fairly new ( 1 yr old ) so I didn't think
it
> would be that. I assumed a loose connection or something like that but I
> just found it odd that it happens whenever I'm RPMing at >3300 or
traveling
> >120km/hr.
>
> BTW, are you speaking from experience?
>
> M
>
> "Tony Hwang" <dragon40@shaw.ca> wrote in message
> news:0SPXa.630420$ro6.13558816@news2.calgary.shaw. ca...
> > Hi,
> > Time to check your charging system and battery before it is too late.
> > Tony
> >
> > Mikey Moe wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > Just wondering if anyone else had this happen to them or if they know
> why it
> > > might be happening.
> > >
> > > Car is a 1994 Honda Civic SI and the battery light will flicker on
(but
> > > never actually stay on).
> > > I've noticed that it usually happens when I'm on the highway and
> traveling
> > > at a speed >125km/hr. RPMs are at around 3300.
> > >
> > > Anyone else ever hear of this?
> > >
> > > Thanks.
> > >
> > > M
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
Sounds like your alt. is starting to fail.
"Mikey Moe" <gpgmike@hotmail-a-licious.com> wrote in message
news:9dQXa.1171$ZV6.125228@news20.bellglobal.com.. .
> Thanks Tony,
>
> I will do that. The battery is fairly new ( 1 yr old ) so I didn't think
it
> would be that. I assumed a loose connection or something like that but I
> just found it odd that it happens whenever I'm RPMing at >3300 or
traveling
> >120km/hr.
>
> BTW, are you speaking from experience?
>
> M
>
> "Tony Hwang" <dragon40@shaw.ca> wrote in message
> news:0SPXa.630420$ro6.13558816@news2.calgary.shaw. ca...
> > Hi,
> > Time to check your charging system and battery before it is too late.
> > Tony
> >
> > Mikey Moe wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > Just wondering if anyone else had this happen to them or if they know
> why it
> > > might be happening.
> > >
> > > Car is a 1994 Honda Civic SI and the battery light will flicker on
(but
> > > never actually stay on).
> > > I've noticed that it usually happens when I'm on the highway and
> traveling
> > > at a speed >125km/hr. RPMs are at around 3300.
> > >
> > > Anyone else ever hear of this?
> > >
> > > Thanks.
> > >
> > > M
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
08-05-2003 | 02:23 PM
#5
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Re: Help: Battery light flickering
Hi,
Sounds like your alt. is starting to fail.
"Mikey Moe" <gpgmike@hotmail-a-licious.com> wrote in message
news:9dQXa.1171$ZV6.125228@news20.bellglobal.com.. .
> Thanks Tony,
>
> I will do that. The battery is fairly new ( 1 yr old ) so I didn't think
it
> would be that. I assumed a loose connection or something like that but I
> just found it odd that it happens whenever I'm RPMing at >3300 or
traveling
> >120km/hr.
>
> BTW, are you speaking from experience?
>
> M
>
> "Tony Hwang" <dragon40@shaw.ca> wrote in message
> news:0SPXa.630420$ro6.13558816@news2.calgary.shaw. ca...
> > Hi,
> > Time to check your charging system and battery before it is too late.
> > Tony
> >
> > Mikey Moe wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > Just wondering if anyone else had this happen to them or if they know
> why it
> > > might be happening.
> > >
> > > Car is a 1994 Honda Civic SI and the battery light will flicker on
(but
> > > never actually stay on).
> > > I've noticed that it usually happens when I'm on the highway and
> traveling
> > > at a speed >125km/hr. RPMs are at around 3300.
> > >
> > > Anyone else ever hear of this?
> > >
> > > Thanks.
> > >
> > > M
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
Sounds like your alt. is starting to fail.
"Mikey Moe" <gpgmike@hotmail-a-licious.com> wrote in message
news:9dQXa.1171$ZV6.125228@news20.bellglobal.com.. .
> Thanks Tony,
>
> I will do that. The battery is fairly new ( 1 yr old ) so I didn't think
it
> would be that. I assumed a loose connection or something like that but I
> just found it odd that it happens whenever I'm RPMing at >3300 or
traveling
> >120km/hr.
>
> BTW, are you speaking from experience?
>
> M
>
> "Tony Hwang" <dragon40@shaw.ca> wrote in message
> news:0SPXa.630420$ro6.13558816@news2.calgary.shaw. ca...
> > Hi,
> > Time to check your charging system and battery before it is too late.
> > Tony
> >
> > Mikey Moe wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > Just wondering if anyone else had this happen to them or if they know
> why it
> > > might be happening.
> > >
> > > Car is a 1994 Honda Civic SI and the battery light will flicker on
(but
> > > never actually stay on).
> > > I've noticed that it usually happens when I'm on the highway and
> traveling
> > > at a speed >125km/hr. RPMs are at around 3300.
> > >
> > > Anyone else ever hear of this?
> > >
> > > Thanks.
> > >
> > > M
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
08-05-2003 | 06:35 PM
#6
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Re: Help: Battery light flickering
Hi,
It could be just worn out alternator brushes too being 10 year old
car.
Tony
starboy869 wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Sounds like your alt. is starting to fail.
>
>
>
>
> "Mikey Moe" <gpgmike@hotmail-a-licious.com> wrote in message
> news:9dQXa.1171$ZV6.125228@news20.bellglobal.com.. .
>
>>Thanks Tony,
>>
>>I will do that. The battery is fairly new ( 1 yr old ) so I didn't think
>
> it
>
>>would be that. I assumed a loose connection or something like that but I
>>just found it odd that it happens whenever I'm RPMing at >3300 or
>
> traveling
>
>>>120km/hr.
>>
>>BTW, are you speaking from experience?
>>
>>M
>>
>>"Tony Hwang" <dragon40@shaw.ca> wrote in message
>>news:0SPXa.630420$ro6.13558816@news2.calgary.sha w.ca...
>>
>>>Hi,
>>>Time to check your charging system and battery before it is too late.
>>>Tony
>>>
>>>Mikey Moe wrote:
>>>
>>>>Hi,
>>>>
>>>>Just wondering if anyone else had this happen to them or if they know
>>
>>why it
>>
>>>>might be happening.
>>>>
>>>>Car is a 1994 Honda Civic SI and the battery light will flicker on
>
> (but
>
>>>>never actually stay on).
>>>>I've noticed that it usually happens when I'm on the highway and
>>
>>traveling
>>
>>>>at a speed >125km/hr. RPMs are at around 3300.
>>>>
>>>>Anyone else ever hear of this?
>>>>
>>>>Thanks.
>>>>
>>>>M
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
It could be just worn out alternator brushes too being 10 year old
car.
Tony
starboy869 wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Sounds like your alt. is starting to fail.
>
>
>
>
> "Mikey Moe" <gpgmike@hotmail-a-licious.com> wrote in message
> news:9dQXa.1171$ZV6.125228@news20.bellglobal.com.. .
>
>>Thanks Tony,
>>
>>I will do that. The battery is fairly new ( 1 yr old ) so I didn't think
>
> it
>
>>would be that. I assumed a loose connection or something like that but I
>>just found it odd that it happens whenever I'm RPMing at >3300 or
>
> traveling
>
>>>120km/hr.
>>
>>BTW, are you speaking from experience?
>>
>>M
>>
>>"Tony Hwang" <dragon40@shaw.ca> wrote in message
>>news:0SPXa.630420$ro6.13558816@news2.calgary.sha w.ca...
>>
>>>Hi,
>>>Time to check your charging system and battery before it is too late.
>>>Tony
>>>
>>>Mikey Moe wrote:
>>>
>>>>Hi,
>>>>
>>>>Just wondering if anyone else had this happen to them or if they know
>>
>>why it
>>
>>>>might be happening.
>>>>
>>>>Car is a 1994 Honda Civic SI and the battery light will flicker on
>
> (but
>
>>>>never actually stay on).
>>>>I've noticed that it usually happens when I'm on the highway and
>>
>>traveling
>>
>>>>at a speed >125km/hr. RPMs are at around 3300.
>>>>
>>>>Anyone else ever hear of this?
>>>>
>>>>Thanks.
>>>>
>>>>M
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
08-05-2003 | 06:35 PM
#7
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Help: Battery light flickering
Hi,
It could be just worn out alternator brushes too being 10 year old
car.
Tony
starboy869 wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Sounds like your alt. is starting to fail.
>
>
>
>
> "Mikey Moe" <gpgmike@hotmail-a-licious.com> wrote in message
> news:9dQXa.1171$ZV6.125228@news20.bellglobal.com.. .
>
>>Thanks Tony,
>>
>>I will do that. The battery is fairly new ( 1 yr old ) so I didn't think
>
> it
>
>>would be that. I assumed a loose connection or something like that but I
>>just found it odd that it happens whenever I'm RPMing at >3300 or
>
> traveling
>
>>>120km/hr.
>>
>>BTW, are you speaking from experience?
>>
>>M
>>
>>"Tony Hwang" <dragon40@shaw.ca> wrote in message
>>news:0SPXa.630420$ro6.13558816@news2.calgary.sha w.ca...
>>
>>>Hi,
>>>Time to check your charging system and battery before it is too late.
>>>Tony
>>>
>>>Mikey Moe wrote:
>>>
>>>>Hi,
>>>>
>>>>Just wondering if anyone else had this happen to them or if they know
>>
>>why it
>>
>>>>might be happening.
>>>>
>>>>Car is a 1994 Honda Civic SI and the battery light will flicker on
>
> (but
>
>>>>never actually stay on).
>>>>I've noticed that it usually happens when I'm on the highway and
>>
>>traveling
>>
>>>>at a speed >125km/hr. RPMs are at around 3300.
>>>>
>>>>Anyone else ever hear of this?
>>>>
>>>>Thanks.
>>>>
>>>>M
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
It could be just worn out alternator brushes too being 10 year old
car.
Tony
starboy869 wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Sounds like your alt. is starting to fail.
>
>
>
>
> "Mikey Moe" <gpgmike@hotmail-a-licious.com> wrote in message
> news:9dQXa.1171$ZV6.125228@news20.bellglobal.com.. .
>
>>Thanks Tony,
>>
>>I will do that. The battery is fairly new ( 1 yr old ) so I didn't think
>
> it
>
>>would be that. I assumed a loose connection or something like that but I
>>just found it odd that it happens whenever I'm RPMing at >3300 or
>
> traveling
>
>>>120km/hr.
>>
>>BTW, are you speaking from experience?
>>
>>M
>>
>>"Tony Hwang" <dragon40@shaw.ca> wrote in message
>>news:0SPXa.630420$ro6.13558816@news2.calgary.sha w.ca...
>>
>>>Hi,
>>>Time to check your charging system and battery before it is too late.
>>>Tony
>>>
>>>Mikey Moe wrote:
>>>
>>>>Hi,
>>>>
>>>>Just wondering if anyone else had this happen to them or if they know
>>
>>why it
>>
>>>>might be happening.
>>>>
>>>>Car is a 1994 Honda Civic SI and the battery light will flicker on
>
> (but
>
>>>>never actually stay on).
>>>>I've noticed that it usually happens when I'm on the highway and
>>
>>traveling
>>
>>>>at a speed >125km/hr. RPMs are at around 3300.
>>>>
>>>>Anyone else ever hear of this?
>>>>
>>>>Thanks.
>>>>
>>>>M
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
08-26-2003 | 04:48 PM
#8
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Posts: n/a
(Final Analysis) Re: Help: Battery light flickering
Just thought I'd post and let you all know that my flickering light was due
to my alternator starting to fail because of worn brushes.
Hope this helps someone out in the future.
Thanks to all who responded.
Mike
"Tony Hwang" <dragon40@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:BhWXa.632413$3C2.15410818@news3.calgary.shaw. ca...
> Hi,
> Higher rpm tend to produce more juice from alternator which makes
> regulator work harder. If you have bad regulator or loose ground on the
> charging system, alternator can even produce 200V frying everything when
> you rev up.
> From experience for sure. Also I am a retired EE who likes to work on
> cars.
> Tony
>
> Mikey Moe wrote:
> > Thanks Tony,
> >
> > I will do that. The battery is fairly new ( 1 yr old ) so I didn't
think it
> > would be that. I assumed a loose connection or something like that but
I
> > just found it odd that it happens whenever I'm RPMing at >3300 or
traveling
> >
> >>120km/hr.
> >
> >
> > BTW, are you speaking from experience?
> >
> > M
> >
> > "Tony Hwang" <dragon40@shaw.ca> wrote in message
> > news:0SPXa.630420$ro6.13558816@news2.calgary.shaw. ca...
> >
> >>Hi,
> >>Time to check your charging system and battery before it is too late.
> >>Tony
> >>
> >>Mikey Moe wrote:
> >>
> >>>Hi,
> >>>
> >>>Just wondering if anyone else had this happen to them or if they know
> >
> > why it
> >
> >>>might be happening.
> >>>
> >>>Car is a 1994 Honda Civic SI and the battery light will flicker on (but
> >>>never actually stay on).
> >>>I've noticed that it usually happens when I'm on the highway and
> >
> > traveling
> >
> >>>at a speed >125km/hr. RPMs are at around 3300.
> >>>
> >>>Anyone else ever hear of this?
> >>>
> >>>Thanks.
> >>>
> >>>M
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >
>
to my alternator starting to fail because of worn brushes.
Hope this helps someone out in the future.
Thanks to all who responded.
Mike
"Tony Hwang" <dragon40@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:BhWXa.632413$3C2.15410818@news3.calgary.shaw. ca...
> Hi,
> Higher rpm tend to produce more juice from alternator which makes
> regulator work harder. If you have bad regulator or loose ground on the
> charging system, alternator can even produce 200V frying everything when
> you rev up.
> From experience for sure. Also I am a retired EE who likes to work on
> cars.
> Tony
>
> Mikey Moe wrote:
> > Thanks Tony,
> >
> > I will do that. The battery is fairly new ( 1 yr old ) so I didn't
think it
> > would be that. I assumed a loose connection or something like that but
I
> > just found it odd that it happens whenever I'm RPMing at >3300 or
traveling
> >
> >>120km/hr.
> >
> >
> > BTW, are you speaking from experience?
> >
> > M
> >
> > "Tony Hwang" <dragon40@shaw.ca> wrote in message
> > news:0SPXa.630420$ro6.13558816@news2.calgary.shaw. ca...
> >
> >>Hi,
> >>Time to check your charging system and battery before it is too late.
> >>Tony
> >>
> >>Mikey Moe wrote:
> >>
> >>>Hi,
> >>>
> >>>Just wondering if anyone else had this happen to them or if they know
> >
> > why it
> >
> >>>might be happening.
> >>>
> >>>Car is a 1994 Honda Civic SI and the battery light will flicker on (but
> >>>never actually stay on).
> >>>I've noticed that it usually happens when I'm on the highway and
> >
> > traveling
> >
> >>>at a speed >125km/hr. RPMs are at around 3300.
> >>>
> >>>Anyone else ever hear of this?
> >>>
> >>>Thanks.
> >>>
> >>>M
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >
>
08-26-2003 | 04:48 PM
#9
Guest
Posts: n/a
(Final Analysis) Re: Help: Battery light flickering
Just thought I'd post and let you all know that my flickering light was due
to my alternator starting to fail because of worn brushes.
Hope this helps someone out in the future.
Thanks to all who responded.
Mike
"Tony Hwang" <dragon40@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:BhWXa.632413$3C2.15410818@news3.calgary.shaw. ca...
> Hi,
> Higher rpm tend to produce more juice from alternator which makes
> regulator work harder. If you have bad regulator or loose ground on the
> charging system, alternator can even produce 200V frying everything when
> you rev up.
> From experience for sure. Also I am a retired EE who likes to work on
> cars.
> Tony
>
> Mikey Moe wrote:
> > Thanks Tony,
> >
> > I will do that. The battery is fairly new ( 1 yr old ) so I didn't
think it
> > would be that. I assumed a loose connection or something like that but
I
> > just found it odd that it happens whenever I'm RPMing at >3300 or
traveling
> >
> >>120km/hr.
> >
> >
> > BTW, are you speaking from experience?
> >
> > M
> >
> > "Tony Hwang" <dragon40@shaw.ca> wrote in message
> > news:0SPXa.630420$ro6.13558816@news2.calgary.shaw. ca...
> >
> >>Hi,
> >>Time to check your charging system and battery before it is too late.
> >>Tony
> >>
> >>Mikey Moe wrote:
> >>
> >>>Hi,
> >>>
> >>>Just wondering if anyone else had this happen to them or if they know
> >
> > why it
> >
> >>>might be happening.
> >>>
> >>>Car is a 1994 Honda Civic SI and the battery light will flicker on (but
> >>>never actually stay on).
> >>>I've noticed that it usually happens when I'm on the highway and
> >
> > traveling
> >
> >>>at a speed >125km/hr. RPMs are at around 3300.
> >>>
> >>>Anyone else ever hear of this?
> >>>
> >>>Thanks.
> >>>
> >>>M
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >
>
to my alternator starting to fail because of worn brushes.
Hope this helps someone out in the future.
Thanks to all who responded.
Mike
"Tony Hwang" <dragon40@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:BhWXa.632413$3C2.15410818@news3.calgary.shaw. ca...
> Hi,
> Higher rpm tend to produce more juice from alternator which makes
> regulator work harder. If you have bad regulator or loose ground on the
> charging system, alternator can even produce 200V frying everything when
> you rev up.
> From experience for sure. Also I am a retired EE who likes to work on
> cars.
> Tony
>
> Mikey Moe wrote:
> > Thanks Tony,
> >
> > I will do that. The battery is fairly new ( 1 yr old ) so I didn't
think it
> > would be that. I assumed a loose connection or something like that but
I
> > just found it odd that it happens whenever I'm RPMing at >3300 or
traveling
> >
> >>120km/hr.
> >
> >
> > BTW, are you speaking from experience?
> >
> > M
> >
> > "Tony Hwang" <dragon40@shaw.ca> wrote in message
> > news:0SPXa.630420$ro6.13558816@news2.calgary.shaw. ca...
> >
> >>Hi,
> >>Time to check your charging system and battery before it is too late.
> >>Tony
> >>
> >>Mikey Moe wrote:
> >>
> >>>Hi,
> >>>
> >>>Just wondering if anyone else had this happen to them or if they know
> >
> > why it
> >
> >>>might be happening.
> >>>
> >>>Car is a 1994 Honda Civic SI and the battery light will flicker on (but
> >>>never actually stay on).
> >>>I've noticed that it usually happens when I'm on the highway and
> >
> > traveling
> >
> >>>at a speed >125km/hr. RPMs are at around 3300.
> >>>
> >>>Anyone else ever hear of this?
> >>>
> >>>Thanks.
> >>>
> >>>M
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >
>
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