What you call the "midget class," oh top posting one, is the class of
the future, at least until some kind of technological breakthrough
allows us to move away from fossil fuels. The US mfgrs. should have
known this but instead of planning long term, they've been milking the
SUV craze while it lasted, and now they're paying for it. You're also
completely disregarding reputation for quality, which is indisputably
in favor of the imports. One thing that you got right in your post is
that the Koreans are likely going to make a strong showing over the
next couple years.

nate

Mike Hunter wrote:
> You are entitled to your own opinion but I am simply stating facts.
> Actually the fuel economy of the comparable cars and trucks that both GM and
> Ford have to offer are as good, or better. than import brands. Where they
> fall short is in the midget car class where the do not generally offer a
> competitive vehicle. When one considers the drive home price difference
> between the domestics and most imports, the domestics have the advantage for
> an astute buyer. One need prepay for their fuel by spending an extra 20% or
> 30% to get a few more MPG. The Koreans do a far better job of fuel economy
> for the price than the Japs. Both GM and Ford have more vehicles that get
> 30 or more MPG than any of the imports.
>
>
> mike hunt
>
>
> "John Horner" <jthorner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:Yi8Ag.3641$8v.6@trnddc05...
> > Mike Hunter wrote:
> >> Toyota and Honda sales are bolstered by the midget cars that are in vogue
> >> today. GM and Ford do not offer midget cars. Seems to me that is
> >> temporary. Midget car buyers are not generally the average US new
> >> vehicle buyers that buys a new vehicle every three or four years. Fords
> >> hit was the F150, but it is end of the model year. Major F150 buyers
> >> will soon be buying 2007s, not leftovers.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> mike hunt
> >>
> >
> >
> > You are the master of SPIN Mr. Hunt. Perhaps you should be working in PR
> > or as a government Press Secretary.
> >
> > Yes the market has moved to more fuel efficient vehicles, and no, the US
> > makers are not strong either in product or brand image with regard to said
> > fuel efficient vehicles.
> >
> > Ford and GM lived high off the great 1990s truck boom, but that fad is
> > over and is not likely to come back. Large trucks are likely to fall
> > back to the 20-25% of the US market they enjoyed for many decades and away
> > from the ~50% level of the 90s and early 00s. Fads come and go, it is
> > their nature. This fad is over and the US makers are caught with their
> > collective pants down, again.
> >
> > John
> >
> >

 

What you call the "midget class," oh top posting one, is the class of
the future, at least until some kind of technological breakthrough
allows us to move away from fossil fuels. The US mfgrs. should have
known this but instead of planning long term, they've been milking the
SUV craze while it lasted, and now they're paying for it. You're also
completely disregarding reputation for quality, which is indisputably
in favor of the imports. One thing that you got right in your post is
that the Koreans are likely going to make a strong showing over the
next couple years.

nate

Mike Hunter wrote:
> You are entitled to your own opinion but I am simply stating facts.
> Actually the fuel economy of the comparable cars and trucks that both GM and
> Ford have to offer are as good, or better. than import brands. Where they
> fall short is in the midget car class where the do not generally offer a
> competitive vehicle. When one considers the drive home price difference
> between the domestics and most imports, the domestics have the advantage for
> an astute buyer. One need prepay for their fuel by spending an extra 20% or
> 30% to get a few more MPG. The Koreans do a far better job of fuel economy
> for the price than the Japs. Both GM and Ford have more vehicles that get
> 30 or more MPG than any of the imports.
>
>
> mike hunt
>
>
> "John Horner" <jthorner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:Yi8Ag.3641$8v.6@trnddc05...
> > Mike Hunter wrote:
> >> Toyota and Honda sales are bolstered by the midget cars that are in vogue
> >> today. GM and Ford do not offer midget cars. Seems to me that is
> >> temporary. Midget car buyers are not generally the average US new
> >> vehicle buyers that buys a new vehicle every three or four years. Fords
> >> hit was the F150, but it is end of the model year. Major F150 buyers
> >> will soon be buying 2007s, not leftovers.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> mike hunt
> >>
> >
> >
> > You are the master of SPIN Mr. Hunt. Perhaps you should be working in PR
> > or as a government Press Secretary.
> >
> > Yes the market has moved to more fuel efficient vehicles, and no, the US
> > makers are not strong either in product or brand image with regard to said
> > fuel efficient vehicles.
> >
> > Ford and GM lived high off the great 1990s truck boom, but that fad is
> > over and is not likely to come back. Large trucks are likely to fall
> > back to the 20-25% of the US market they enjoyed for many decades and away
> > from the ~50% level of the 90s and early 00s. Fads come and go, it is
> > their nature. This fad is over and the US makers are caught with their
> > collective pants down, again.
> >
> > John
> >
> >

 

What you call the "midget class," oh top posting one, is the class of
the future, at least until some kind of technological breakthrough
allows us to move away from fossil fuels. The US mfgrs. should have
known this but instead of planning long term, they've been milking the
SUV craze while it lasted, and now they're paying for it. You're also
completely disregarding reputation for quality, which is indisputably
in favor of the imports. One thing that you got right in your post is
that the Koreans are likely going to make a strong showing over the
next couple years.

nate

Mike Hunter wrote:
> You are entitled to your own opinion but I am simply stating facts.
> Actually the fuel economy of the comparable cars and trucks that both GM and
> Ford have to offer are as good, or better. than import brands. Where they
> fall short is in the midget car class where the do not generally offer a
> competitive vehicle. When one considers the drive home price difference
> between the domestics and most imports, the domestics have the advantage for
> an astute buyer. One need prepay for their fuel by spending an extra 20% or
> 30% to get a few more MPG. The Koreans do a far better job of fuel economy
> for the price than the Japs. Both GM and Ford have more vehicles that get
> 30 or more MPG than any of the imports.
>
>
> mike hunt
>
>
> "John Horner" <jthorner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:Yi8Ag.3641$8v.6@trnddc05...
> > Mike Hunter wrote:
> >> Toyota and Honda sales are bolstered by the midget cars that are in vogue
> >> today. GM and Ford do not offer midget cars. Seems to me that is
> >> temporary. Midget car buyers are not generally the average US new
> >> vehicle buyers that buys a new vehicle every three or four years. Fords
> >> hit was the F150, but it is end of the model year. Major F150 buyers
> >> will soon be buying 2007s, not leftovers.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> mike hunt
> >>
> >
> >
> > You are the master of SPIN Mr. Hunt. Perhaps you should be working in PR
> > or as a government Press Secretary.
> >
> > Yes the market has moved to more fuel efficient vehicles, and no, the US
> > makers are not strong either in product or brand image with regard to said
> > fuel efficient vehicles.
> >
> > Ford and GM lived high off the great 1990s truck boom, but that fad is
> > over and is not likely to come back. Large trucks are likely to fall
> > back to the 20-25% of the US market they enjoyed for many decades and away
> > from the ~50% level of the 90s and early 00s. Fads come and go, it is
> > their nature. This fad is over and the US makers are caught with their
> > collective pants down, again.
> >
> > John
> >
> >

 

Mike Hunter wrote:
> Overtaking GM worldwide is more of a possibility than in the US. GM and
> Toyota do not necessarily compete in the same small markets around the
> world. The Japs have a better economies of scale in the small and midget
> cars, as well. As Toyota starts to sell vehicles in the US in the million
> rather than in the hundreds of thousands, as it has for a long time, more
> of their not so good ones are starting to come to the surface. Over time
> that will erode the buyers perception of their so call superior quality.
> Anybody in the business knows that Toyotas vehicles are no better on average
> than any other manufactures vehicles.

Stop, you're killing me. Only a very few mfgrs. have the same
reputation for reliability and durability as Toyota. Really only Honda
has the same kind of "halo" although I am partial to VW myself (but
their shitty dealer network and past issues with poor quality
outsourced components has tarnished their reputation among the general
public.)

Anyone that can say with a straight face that there is no difference in
quality between vehicles is quite simply ignorant. If that were true,
we'd all just buy the cheapest car we could. Simply test driving a
cross-section of the various cars in any given class will show up great
differences in fit and finish, material quality, etc. etc. etc. and to
disregard this is idiotic. Most people realize this, and try to strike
some compromise between quality and price.

nate

 

Mike Hunter wrote:
> Overtaking GM worldwide is more of a possibility than in the US. GM and
> Toyota do not necessarily compete in the same small markets around the
> world. The Japs have a better economies of scale in the small and midget
> cars, as well. As Toyota starts to sell vehicles in the US in the million
> rather than in the hundreds of thousands, as it has for a long time, more
> of their not so good ones are starting to come to the surface. Over time
> that will erode the buyers perception of their so call superior quality.
> Anybody in the business knows that Toyotas vehicles are no better on average
> than any other manufactures vehicles.

Stop, you're killing me. Only a very few mfgrs. have the same
reputation for reliability and durability as Toyota. Really only Honda
has the same kind of "halo" although I am partial to VW myself (but
their shitty dealer network and past issues with poor quality
outsourced components has tarnished their reputation among the general
public.)

Anyone that can say with a straight face that there is no difference in
quality between vehicles is quite simply ignorant. If that were true,
we'd all just buy the cheapest car we could. Simply test driving a
cross-section of the various cars in any given class will show up great
differences in fit and finish, material quality, etc. etc. etc. and to
disregard this is idiotic. Most people realize this, and try to strike
some compromise between quality and price.

nate

 

Mike Hunter wrote:
> Overtaking GM worldwide is more of a possibility than in the US. GM and
> Toyota do not necessarily compete in the same small markets around the
> world. The Japs have a better economies of scale in the small and midget
> cars, as well. As Toyota starts to sell vehicles in the US in the million
> rather than in the hundreds of thousands, as it has for a long time, more
> of their not so good ones are starting to come to the surface. Over time
> that will erode the buyers perception of their so call superior quality.
> Anybody in the business knows that Toyotas vehicles are no better on average
> than any other manufactures vehicles.

Stop, you're killing me. Only a very few mfgrs. have the same
reputation for reliability and durability as Toyota. Really only Honda
has the same kind of "halo" although I am partial to VW myself (but
their shitty dealer network and past issues with poor quality
outsourced components has tarnished their reputation among the general
public.)

Anyone that can say with a straight face that there is no difference in
quality between vehicles is quite simply ignorant. If that were true,
we'd all just buy the cheapest car we could. Simply test driving a
cross-section of the various cars in any given class will show up great
differences in fit and finish, material quality, etc. etc. etc. and to
disregard this is idiotic. Most people realize this, and try to strike
some compromise between quality and price.

nate

 

Mike Hunter wrote:
> Overtaking GM worldwide is more of a possibility than in the US. GM and
> Toyota do not necessarily compete in the same small markets around the
> world. The Japs have a better economies of scale in the small and midget
> cars, as well. As Toyota starts to sell vehicles in the US in the million
> rather than in the hundreds of thousands, as it has for a long time, more
> of their not so good ones are starting to come to the surface. Over time
> that will erode the buyers perception of their so call superior quality.
> Anybody in the business knows that Toyotas vehicles are no better on average
> than any other manufactures vehicles.

Stop, you're killing me. Only a very few mfgrs. have the same
reputation for reliability and durability as Toyota. Really only Honda
has the same kind of "halo" although I am partial to VW myself (but
their shitty dealer network and past issues with poor quality
outsourced components has tarnished their reputation among the general
public.)

Anyone that can say with a straight face that there is no difference in
quality between vehicles is quite simply ignorant. If that were true,
we'd all just buy the cheapest car we could. Simply test driving a
cross-section of the various cars in any given class will show up great
differences in fit and finish, material quality, etc. etc. etc. and to
disregard this is idiotic. Most people realize this, and try to strike
some compromise between quality and price.

nate

 

"N8N" <njnagel@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1154557182.254540.173170@i3g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
> What you call the "midget class," oh top posting one, is the class of
> the future, at least until some kind of technological breakthrough
> allows us to move away from fossil fuels. The US mfgrs. should have
> known this but instead of planning long term, they've been milking the
> SUV craze while it lasted, and now they're paying for it.

If what you are saying is true, the Pinto, Vega, Horizon, and other little
crap boxes would still exist. I heard your words many times in the past,
but it was only temporary.

 

"N8N" <njnagel@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1154557182.254540.173170@i3g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
> What you call the "midget class," oh top posting one, is the class of
> the future, at least until some kind of technological breakthrough
> allows us to move away from fossil fuels. The US mfgrs. should have
> known this but instead of planning long term, they've been milking the
> SUV craze while it lasted, and now they're paying for it.

If what you are saying is true, the Pinto, Vega, Horizon, and other little
crap boxes would still exist. I heard your words many times in the past,
but it was only temporary.

 

"N8N" <njnagel@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1154557182.254540.173170@i3g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
> What you call the "midget class," oh top posting one, is the class of
> the future, at least until some kind of technological breakthrough
> allows us to move away from fossil fuels. The US mfgrs. should have
> known this but instead of planning long term, they've been milking the
> SUV craze while it lasted, and now they're paying for it.

If what you are saying is true, the Pinto, Vega, Horizon, and other little
crap boxes would still exist. I heard your words many times in the past,
but it was only temporary.

 

"N8N" <njnagel@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1154557182.254540.173170@i3g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
> What you call the "midget class," oh top posting one, is the class of
> the future, at least until some kind of technological breakthrough
> allows us to move away from fossil fuels. The US mfgrs. should have
> known this but instead of planning long term, they've been milking the
> SUV craze while it lasted, and now they're paying for it.

If what you are saying is true, the Pinto, Vega, Horizon, and other little
crap boxes would still exist. I heard your words many times in the past,
but it was only temporary.

 

"Edwin Pawlowski" <esp@snet.net> wrote in
newsubAg.764$1f6.85@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net:

> If what you are saying is true, the Pinto, Vega, Horizon, and other
> little crap boxes would still exist. I heard your words many times in
> the past, but it was only temporary.


The Omni/Horizon were decent cars. They had the 2.2 4 banger -- great
little durable engine. Small cars get bad reps for being junk,
unreliable. Usually it was lack of maintenance. People who buy cheap
cars tend not to maintain them as well as more pricier cars because of
the cheap initial cost of the cars and that these economy car buyers
tend to be of a lower socio-economic class. A lot of Yugo buyers never
bothered to change their oil and would have the Yugos with their seized
engines towed to the dealer angrily demanding a new engine and when told
no, replied "you expect me to change oil on a $3900 car!?" But the Yugo
engine is actually a bulletproof, reliable, easy to maintain engine.





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"Edwin Pawlowski" <esp@snet.net> wrote in
newsubAg.764$1f6.85@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net:

> If what you are saying is true, the Pinto, Vega, Horizon, and other
> little crap boxes would still exist. I heard your words many times in
> the past, but it was only temporary.


The Omni/Horizon were decent cars. They had the 2.2 4 banger -- great
little durable engine. Small cars get bad reps for being junk,
unreliable. Usually it was lack of maintenance. People who buy cheap
cars tend not to maintain them as well as more pricier cars because of
the cheap initial cost of the cars and that these economy car buyers
tend to be of a lower socio-economic class. A lot of Yugo buyers never
bothered to change their oil and would have the Yugos with their seized
engines towed to the dealer angrily demanding a new engine and when told
no, replied "you expect me to change oil on a $3900 car!?" But the Yugo
engine is actually a bulletproof, reliable, easy to maintain engine.





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"Edwin Pawlowski" <esp@snet.net> wrote in
newsubAg.764$1f6.85@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net:

> If what you are saying is true, the Pinto, Vega, Horizon, and other
> little crap boxes would still exist. I heard your words many times in
> the past, but it was only temporary.


The Omni/Horizon were decent cars. They had the 2.2 4 banger -- great
little durable engine. Small cars get bad reps for being junk,
unreliable. Usually it was lack of maintenance. People who buy cheap
cars tend not to maintain them as well as more pricier cars because of
the cheap initial cost of the cars and that these economy car buyers
tend to be of a lower socio-economic class. A lot of Yugo buyers never
bothered to change their oil and would have the Yugos with their seized
engines towed to the dealer angrily demanding a new engine and when told
no, replied "you expect me to change oil on a $3900 car!?" But the Yugo
engine is actually a bulletproof, reliable, easy to maintain engine.





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"Edwin Pawlowski" <esp@snet.net> wrote in
newsubAg.764$1f6.85@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net:

> If what you are saying is true, the Pinto, Vega, Horizon, and other
> little crap boxes would still exist. I heard your words many times in
> the past, but it was only temporary.


The Omni/Horizon were decent cars. They had the 2.2 4 banger -- great
little durable engine. Small cars get bad reps for being junk,
unreliable. Usually it was lack of maintenance. People who buy cheap
cars tend not to maintain them as well as more pricier cars because of
the cheap initial cost of the cars and that these economy car buyers
tend to be of a lower socio-economic class. A lot of Yugo buyers never
bothered to change their oil and would have the Yugos with their seized
engines towed to the dealer angrily demanding a new engine and when told
no, replied "you expect me to change oil on a $3900 car!?" But the Yugo
engine is actually a bulletproof, reliable, easy to maintain engine.





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