GM tops reliability and regains market share
08-01-2005 | 11:27 PM
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Re: GM tops reliability and regains market share
Best thing about my Honda and others I see, the paint isn't falling off,
like I've seen on alot of GM and Chrysler products, if either manufacture
had any ***** they would re-paint those vehicles at no cost to the owner.
Tom
"TWW" <twaugh5@***.net> wrote in message
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>
> <hunkman7@excite.com> wrote in message
> news:1122854121.042620.110020@g44g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>> The many changes made by GM appear to be paying off. While Buick and
>> Cadillac models are now tops in relibility over all other makes, the
>> recent incentives have pushed sales up 41 %. GM has increased its
>> market share from 23% last year to 31% this year. This is expected to
>> increase, as GM drops the incentive programs in favor of lower prices
>> on most models. GM sales in Europe have risen 28% over 2004, while it
>> is closing in on Volkswagen, which is the number one seller in China.
>>
>> Among the losers is Toyota, which is taken the brunt of the General
>> Motors offensive. It is hard to beat great prices, great reliability
>> and great product!
>>
> GM resorted to the big discounts to move their huge SUVs. They have a few
> models that have fared fairly well in Consumer Reports reliability
> ratings -- like Buick LeSabre and the like, but Cadillac is still in the
> toilet. I would never trade my Prelude for anything GM makes -- and that
> includes a Corvette. And, I have owned a couple Corvettes before.
>
>
like I've seen on alot of GM and Chrysler products, if either manufacture
had any ***** they would re-paint those vehicles at no cost to the owner.
Tom
"TWW" <twaugh5@***.net> wrote in message
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>
> <hunkman7@excite.com> wrote in message
> news:1122854121.042620.110020@g44g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>> The many changes made by GM appear to be paying off. While Buick and
>> Cadillac models are now tops in relibility over all other makes, the
>> recent incentives have pushed sales up 41 %. GM has increased its
>> market share from 23% last year to 31% this year. This is expected to
>> increase, as GM drops the incentive programs in favor of lower prices
>> on most models. GM sales in Europe have risen 28% over 2004, while it
>> is closing in on Volkswagen, which is the number one seller in China.
>>
>> Among the losers is Toyota, which is taken the brunt of the General
>> Motors offensive. It is hard to beat great prices, great reliability
>> and great product!
>>
> GM resorted to the big discounts to move their huge SUVs. They have a few
> models that have fared fairly well in Consumer Reports reliability
> ratings -- like Buick LeSabre and the like, but Cadillac is still in the
> toilet. I would never trade my Prelude for anything GM makes -- and that
> includes a Corvette. And, I have owned a couple Corvettes before.
>
>
08-02-2005 | 07:21 AM
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rjdriver wrote:
> <hunkman7@excite.com> wrote in message
> news:1122854121.042620.110020@g44g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> > .... While Buick and Cadillac models are now tops in relibility over all
> > other makes,
>
>
> I'm sure you meant to say "reliability", but could you please reveal the
> source of this conclusion. What study or what survey says so?
>
> Bob
>
Sure, the source of this information is the 2005 JD Powers Survey and
yes, I meant 'reliability'. Thanks!
>
>
>
> the
> > recent incentives have pushed sales up 41 %. GM has increased its
> > market share from 23% last year to 31% this year. This is expected to
> > increase, as GM drops the incentive programs in favor of lower prices
> > on most models. GM sales in Europe have risen 28% over 2004, while it
> > is closing in on Volkswagen, which is the number one seller in China.
> >
> > Among the losers is Toyota, which is taken the brunt of the General
> > Motors offensive. It is hard to beat great prices, great reliability
> > and great product!
> >
08-02-2005 | 07:21 AM
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Re: GM tops reliability and regains market share
rjdriver wrote:
> <hunkman7@excite.com> wrote in message
> news:1122854121.042620.110020@g44g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> > .... While Buick and Cadillac models are now tops in relibility over all
> > other makes,
>
>
> I'm sure you meant to say "reliability", but could you please reveal the
> source of this conclusion. What study or what survey says so?
>
> Bob
>
Sure, the source of this information is the 2005 JD Powers Survey and
yes, I meant 'reliability'. Thanks!
>
>
>
> the
> > recent incentives have pushed sales up 41 %. GM has increased its
> > market share from 23% last year to 31% this year. This is expected to
> > increase, as GM drops the incentive programs in favor of lower prices
> > on most models. GM sales in Europe have risen 28% over 2004, while it
> > is closing in on Volkswagen, which is the number one seller in China.
> >
> > Among the losers is Toyota, which is taken the brunt of the General
> > Motors offensive. It is hard to beat great prices, great reliability
> > and great product!
> >
08-02-2005 | 07:23 AM
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Re: GM tops reliability and regains market share
With recent transmission problems Honda has some catching up to do.
Besides, they are now also starting to fall behind on technology. Rear
drum brakes on the 2005 Accord? And the interior is in bad need of
updating. Tsk, tsk.
Besides, they are now also starting to fall behind on technology. Rear
drum brakes on the 2005 Accord? And the interior is in bad need of
updating. Tsk, tsk.
08-02-2005 | 07:23 AM
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Re: GM tops reliability and regains market share
With recent transmission problems Honda has some catching up to do.
Besides, they are now also starting to fall behind on technology. Rear
drum brakes on the 2005 Accord? And the interior is in bad need of
updating. Tsk, tsk.
Besides, they are now also starting to fall behind on technology. Rear
drum brakes on the 2005 Accord? And the interior is in bad need of
updating. Tsk, tsk.
08-02-2005 | 07:32 AM
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Re: GM tops reliability and regains market share
The market sets car prices, not the manufacturers. That being said, both the
new and the used car market prices HON/TOY products to last about 150,000
miles. Sure, many go much longer and still have some residual worth at
150,000 miles. At 150,000 miles, they become "might last longer"
vehicles...but not a great bet. But for GM/FORD the market prices them to go
only to 100,000 miles before it's worth merely a residual "might last
longer" value. That's why a loaded CR-V can command $23,000 while you can
find a similar Ford Escape that they can only get $18,000 for (after all the
rebate shenanigans). The market is recognizing that the Escape approaches
crap at 100,000 miles while the CR-V probably won't approach crap until
150,000 miles. The HON/TOY is actually cheaper to own. Here the 'Scape costs
18 cents/mile while the CR-V costs 15 cents/mile. And while most people
don't own a car from showroom to junkyard, this same pricing pattern will
show up at resale time so, again, even for the 2-3 year owner, the HON/TOY
is cheaper than the GM/FORD to own. (I will say that with the depth of the
GM/FORD rebates today, their cost per mile is approaching that of HON/TOY.
But, of course, cutting prices enough to compensate people for this 50,000
durability gap is killing both GM and FORD in the process).
"twfsa" <uksatw@qwest.net> wrote in message
news:CKBHe.54616$rb6.9905@lakeread07...
> Best thing about my Honda and others I see, the paint isn't falling off,
> like I've seen on alot of GM and Chrysler products, if either manufacture
> had any ***** they would re-paint those vehicles at no cost to the owner.
>
> Tom
>
>
> "TWW" <twaugh5@***.net> wrote in message
> news:54yHe.54605$rb6.13378@lakeread07...
>>
>> <hunkman7@excite.com> wrote in message
>> news:1122854121.042620.110020@g44g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>>> The many changes made by GM appear to be paying off. While Buick and
>>> Cadillac models are now tops in relibility over all other makes, the
>>> recent incentives have pushed sales up 41 %. GM has increased its
>>> market share from 23% last year to 31% this year. This is expected to
>>> increase, as GM drops the incentive programs in favor of lower prices
>>> on most models. GM sales in Europe have risen 28% over 2004, while it
>>> is closing in on Volkswagen, which is the number one seller in China.
>>>
>>> Among the losers is Toyota, which is taken the brunt of the General
>>> Motors offensive. It is hard to beat great prices, great reliability
>>> and great product!
>>>
>> GM resorted to the big discounts to move their huge SUVs. They have a
>> few
>> models that have fared fairly well in Consumer Reports reliability
>> ratings -- like Buick LeSabre and the like, but Cadillac is still in the
>> toilet. I would never trade my Prelude for anything GM makes -- and that
>> includes a Corvette. And, I have owned a couple Corvettes before.
>>
>>
>
>
new and the used car market prices HON/TOY products to last about 150,000
miles. Sure, many go much longer and still have some residual worth at
150,000 miles. At 150,000 miles, they become "might last longer"
vehicles...but not a great bet. But for GM/FORD the market prices them to go
only to 100,000 miles before it's worth merely a residual "might last
longer" value. That's why a loaded CR-V can command $23,000 while you can
find a similar Ford Escape that they can only get $18,000 for (after all the
rebate shenanigans). The market is recognizing that the Escape approaches
crap at 100,000 miles while the CR-V probably won't approach crap until
150,000 miles. The HON/TOY is actually cheaper to own. Here the 'Scape costs
18 cents/mile while the CR-V costs 15 cents/mile. And while most people
don't own a car from showroom to junkyard, this same pricing pattern will
show up at resale time so, again, even for the 2-3 year owner, the HON/TOY
is cheaper than the GM/FORD to own. (I will say that with the depth of the
GM/FORD rebates today, their cost per mile is approaching that of HON/TOY.
But, of course, cutting prices enough to compensate people for this 50,000
durability gap is killing both GM and FORD in the process).
"twfsa" <uksatw@qwest.net> wrote in message
news:CKBHe.54616$rb6.9905@lakeread07...
> Best thing about my Honda and others I see, the paint isn't falling off,
> like I've seen on alot of GM and Chrysler products, if either manufacture
> had any ***** they would re-paint those vehicles at no cost to the owner.
>
> Tom
>
>
> "TWW" <twaugh5@***.net> wrote in message
> news:54yHe.54605$rb6.13378@lakeread07...
>>
>> <hunkman7@excite.com> wrote in message
>> news:1122854121.042620.110020@g44g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>>> The many changes made by GM appear to be paying off. While Buick and
>>> Cadillac models are now tops in relibility over all other makes, the
>>> recent incentives have pushed sales up 41 %. GM has increased its
>>> market share from 23% last year to 31% this year. This is expected to
>>> increase, as GM drops the incentive programs in favor of lower prices
>>> on most models. GM sales in Europe have risen 28% over 2004, while it
>>> is closing in on Volkswagen, which is the number one seller in China.
>>>
>>> Among the losers is Toyota, which is taken the brunt of the General
>>> Motors offensive. It is hard to beat great prices, great reliability
>>> and great product!
>>>
>> GM resorted to the big discounts to move their huge SUVs. They have a
>> few
>> models that have fared fairly well in Consumer Reports reliability
>> ratings -- like Buick LeSabre and the like, but Cadillac is still in the
>> toilet. I would never trade my Prelude for anything GM makes -- and that
>> includes a Corvette. And, I have owned a couple Corvettes before.
>>
>>
>
>
08-02-2005 | 07:32 AM
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Re: GM tops reliability and regains market share
The market sets car prices, not the manufacturers. That being said, both the
new and the used car market prices HON/TOY products to last about 150,000
miles. Sure, many go much longer and still have some residual worth at
150,000 miles. At 150,000 miles, they become "might last longer"
vehicles...but not a great bet. But for GM/FORD the market prices them to go
only to 100,000 miles before it's worth merely a residual "might last
longer" value. That's why a loaded CR-V can command $23,000 while you can
find a similar Ford Escape that they can only get $18,000 for (after all the
rebate shenanigans). The market is recognizing that the Escape approaches
crap at 100,000 miles while the CR-V probably won't approach crap until
150,000 miles. The HON/TOY is actually cheaper to own. Here the 'Scape costs
18 cents/mile while the CR-V costs 15 cents/mile. And while most people
don't own a car from showroom to junkyard, this same pricing pattern will
show up at resale time so, again, even for the 2-3 year owner, the HON/TOY
is cheaper than the GM/FORD to own. (I will say that with the depth of the
GM/FORD rebates today, their cost per mile is approaching that of HON/TOY.
But, of course, cutting prices enough to compensate people for this 50,000
durability gap is killing both GM and FORD in the process).
"twfsa" <uksatw@qwest.net> wrote in message
news:CKBHe.54616$rb6.9905@lakeread07...
> Best thing about my Honda and others I see, the paint isn't falling off,
> like I've seen on alot of GM and Chrysler products, if either manufacture
> had any ***** they would re-paint those vehicles at no cost to the owner.
>
> Tom
>
>
> "TWW" <twaugh5@***.net> wrote in message
> news:54yHe.54605$rb6.13378@lakeread07...
>>
>> <hunkman7@excite.com> wrote in message
>> news:1122854121.042620.110020@g44g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>>> The many changes made by GM appear to be paying off. While Buick and
>>> Cadillac models are now tops in relibility over all other makes, the
>>> recent incentives have pushed sales up 41 %. GM has increased its
>>> market share from 23% last year to 31% this year. This is expected to
>>> increase, as GM drops the incentive programs in favor of lower prices
>>> on most models. GM sales in Europe have risen 28% over 2004, while it
>>> is closing in on Volkswagen, which is the number one seller in China.
>>>
>>> Among the losers is Toyota, which is taken the brunt of the General
>>> Motors offensive. It is hard to beat great prices, great reliability
>>> and great product!
>>>
>> GM resorted to the big discounts to move their huge SUVs. They have a
>> few
>> models that have fared fairly well in Consumer Reports reliability
>> ratings -- like Buick LeSabre and the like, but Cadillac is still in the
>> toilet. I would never trade my Prelude for anything GM makes -- and that
>> includes a Corvette. And, I have owned a couple Corvettes before.
>>
>>
>
>
new and the used car market prices HON/TOY products to last about 150,000
miles. Sure, many go much longer and still have some residual worth at
150,000 miles. At 150,000 miles, they become "might last longer"
vehicles...but not a great bet. But for GM/FORD the market prices them to go
only to 100,000 miles before it's worth merely a residual "might last
longer" value. That's why a loaded CR-V can command $23,000 while you can
find a similar Ford Escape that they can only get $18,000 for (after all the
rebate shenanigans). The market is recognizing that the Escape approaches
crap at 100,000 miles while the CR-V probably won't approach crap until
150,000 miles. The HON/TOY is actually cheaper to own. Here the 'Scape costs
18 cents/mile while the CR-V costs 15 cents/mile. And while most people
don't own a car from showroom to junkyard, this same pricing pattern will
show up at resale time so, again, even for the 2-3 year owner, the HON/TOY
is cheaper than the GM/FORD to own. (I will say that with the depth of the
GM/FORD rebates today, their cost per mile is approaching that of HON/TOY.
But, of course, cutting prices enough to compensate people for this 50,000
durability gap is killing both GM and FORD in the process).
"twfsa" <uksatw@qwest.net> wrote in message
news:CKBHe.54616$rb6.9905@lakeread07...
> Best thing about my Honda and others I see, the paint isn't falling off,
> like I've seen on alot of GM and Chrysler products, if either manufacture
> had any ***** they would re-paint those vehicles at no cost to the owner.
>
> Tom
>
>
> "TWW" <twaugh5@***.net> wrote in message
> news:54yHe.54605$rb6.13378@lakeread07...
>>
>> <hunkman7@excite.com> wrote in message
>> news:1122854121.042620.110020@g44g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>>> The many changes made by GM appear to be paying off. While Buick and
>>> Cadillac models are now tops in relibility over all other makes, the
>>> recent incentives have pushed sales up 41 %. GM has increased its
>>> market share from 23% last year to 31% this year. This is expected to
>>> increase, as GM drops the incentive programs in favor of lower prices
>>> on most models. GM sales in Europe have risen 28% over 2004, while it
>>> is closing in on Volkswagen, which is the number one seller in China.
>>>
>>> Among the losers is Toyota, which is taken the brunt of the General
>>> Motors offensive. It is hard to beat great prices, great reliability
>>> and great product!
>>>
>> GM resorted to the big discounts to move their huge SUVs. They have a
>> few
>> models that have fared fairly well in Consumer Reports reliability
>> ratings -- like Buick LeSabre and the like, but Cadillac is still in the
>> toilet. I would never trade my Prelude for anything GM makes -- and that
>> includes a Corvette. And, I have owned a couple Corvettes before.
>>
>>
>
>
08-02-2005 | 08:17 AM
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<hunkman7@excite.com> wrote in message
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> With recent transmission problems Honda has some catching up to do.
> Besides, they are now also starting to fall behind on technology. Rear
> drum brakes on the 2005 Accord? And the interior is in bad need of
> updating. Tsk, tsk.
I'd prefer to have drums rather than disks on the rear of my Accord. The
primary reason is that they last so much longer and don't have to be
serviced/checked every six months.
Brian
08-02-2005 | 08:17 AM
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<hunkman7@excite.com> wrote in message
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> With recent transmission problems Honda has some catching up to do.
> Besides, they are now also starting to fall behind on technology. Rear
> drum brakes on the 2005 Accord? And the interior is in bad need of
> updating. Tsk, tsk.
I'd prefer to have drums rather than disks on the rear of my Accord. The
primary reason is that they last so much longer and don't have to be
serviced/checked every six months.
Brian
08-02-2005 | 06:03 PM
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Rear drums are only on the DX or LX, EX gets discs. You most not know
Honda's too well. I'm most everybody on here has owned GM cars in the
past. Thats why we have Honda's now. I have worked in a Chevy garage for
33 years. I see GM at its best and worst. Honda is having a bit af trouble
with tranmissions at present. Right now in our shop in Phoenix we have 6
Malibu's and Impala's all waiting for new engines. 3.5 V-6 and we have
already done 4 others, and we are just one dealer. Imagine how mant other
engines are failing nationwide. Crankshaft key breaks and pistons hit
valves. All have less than 3000 miles , owners not happy. Any body can
make errors when building cars. But GM is the master at it. Dont forget
what G.M.C. stands for,
Garage Mechanics Companion. hehehe
Honda's too well. I'm most everybody on here has owned GM cars in the
past. Thats why we have Honda's now. I have worked in a Chevy garage for
33 years. I see GM at its best and worst. Honda is having a bit af trouble
with tranmissions at present. Right now in our shop in Phoenix we have 6
Malibu's and Impala's all waiting for new engines. 3.5 V-6 and we have
already done 4 others, and we are just one dealer. Imagine how mant other
engines are failing nationwide. Crankshaft key breaks and pistons hit
valves. All have less than 3000 miles , owners not happy. Any body can
make errors when building cars. But GM is the master at it. Dont forget
what G.M.C. stands for,
Garage Mechanics Companion. hehehe
08-02-2005 | 06:03 PM
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Rear drums are only on the DX or LX, EX gets discs. You most not know
Honda's too well. I'm most everybody on here has owned GM cars in the
past. Thats why we have Honda's now. I have worked in a Chevy garage for
33 years. I see GM at its best and worst. Honda is having a bit af trouble
with tranmissions at present. Right now in our shop in Phoenix we have 6
Malibu's and Impala's all waiting for new engines. 3.5 V-6 and we have
already done 4 others, and we are just one dealer. Imagine how mant other
engines are failing nationwide. Crankshaft key breaks and pistons hit
valves. All have less than 3000 miles , owners not happy. Any body can
make errors when building cars. But GM is the master at it. Dont forget
what G.M.C. stands for,
Garage Mechanics Companion. hehehe
Honda's too well. I'm most everybody on here has owned GM cars in the
past. Thats why we have Honda's now. I have worked in a Chevy garage for
33 years. I see GM at its best and worst. Honda is having a bit af trouble
with tranmissions at present. Right now in our shop in Phoenix we have 6
Malibu's and Impala's all waiting for new engines. 3.5 V-6 and we have
already done 4 others, and we are just one dealer. Imagine how mant other
engines are failing nationwide. Crankshaft key breaks and pistons hit
valves. All have less than 3000 miles , owners not happy. Any body can
make errors when building cars. But GM is the master at it. Dont forget
what G.M.C. stands for,
Garage Mechanics Companion. hehehe
08-02-2005 | 07:01 PM
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<hunkman7@excite.com> wrote in message
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> Sure, the source of this information is the 2005 JD Powers Survey
Most JD Power Surveys cover the first 6 months of ownership only. Can you
tell us more details of this one or supply a link.
Bob
>
> rjdriver wrote:
>> <hunkman7@excite.com> wrote in message
>> news:1122854121.042620.110020@g44g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>> > .... While Buick and Cadillac models are now tops in relibility over
>> > all
>> > other makes,
>>
>>
>> I'm sure you meant to say "reliability", but could you please reveal the
>> source of this conclusion. What study or what survey says so?
>>
>> Bob
>>
>
> Sure, the source of this information is the 2005 JD Powers Survey and
> yes, I meant 'reliability'. Thanks!
>
>>
>>
>>
>> the
>> > recent incentives have pushed sales up 41 %. GM has increased its
>> > market share from 23% last year to 31% this year. This is expected to
>> > increase, as GM drops the incentive programs in favor of lower prices
>> > on most models. GM sales in Europe have risen 28% over 2004, while it
>> > is closing in on Volkswagen, which is the number one seller in China.
>> >
>> > Among the losers is Toyota, which is taken the brunt of the General
>> > Motors offensive. It is hard to beat great prices, great reliability
>> > and great product!
>> >
>
08-02-2005 | 07:01 PM
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<hunkman7@excite.com> wrote in message
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> Sure, the source of this information is the 2005 JD Powers Survey
Most JD Power Surveys cover the first 6 months of ownership only. Can you
tell us more details of this one or supply a link.
Bob
>
> rjdriver wrote:
>> <hunkman7@excite.com> wrote in message
>> news:1122854121.042620.110020@g44g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>> > .... While Buick and Cadillac models are now tops in relibility over
>> > all
>> > other makes,
>>
>>
>> I'm sure you meant to say "reliability", but could you please reveal the
>> source of this conclusion. What study or what survey says so?
>>
>> Bob
>>
>
> Sure, the source of this information is the 2005 JD Powers Survey and
> yes, I meant 'reliability'. Thanks!
>
>>
>>
>>
>> the
>> > recent incentives have pushed sales up 41 %. GM has increased its
>> > market share from 23% last year to 31% this year. This is expected to
>> > increase, as GM drops the incentive programs in favor of lower prices
>> > on most models. GM sales in Europe have risen 28% over 2004, while it
>> > is closing in on Volkswagen, which is the number one seller in China.
>> >
>> > Among the losers is Toyota, which is taken the brunt of the General
>> > Motors offensive. It is hard to beat great prices, great reliability
>> > and great product!
>> >
>
08-02-2005 | 07:42 PM
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> <hunkman7@excite.com> wrote in message
> news:1122854121.042620.110020@g44g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>> .... While Buick and Cadillac models are now tops in relibility
Hmmm, relibility. So GMs are now relible. Sounds like a subject for a Monty
Python script ... "something about my car you find relible..."
I've always though that the JD Powers Initial Quality award is a bit
specious. All new cars are pretty nice (or is that nice and pretty?) for the
first 6 months. A far better measure is how the car has lasted after 2 years
or so.
Stewart DIBBS
08-02-2005 | 07:42 PM
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> <hunkman7@excite.com> wrote in message
> news:1122854121.042620.110020@g44g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>> .... While Buick and Cadillac models are now tops in relibility
Hmmm, relibility. So GMs are now relible. Sounds like a subject for a Monty
Python script ... "something about my car you find relible..."
I've always though that the JD Powers Initial Quality award is a bit
specious. All new cars are pretty nice (or is that nice and pretty?) for the
first 6 months. A far better measure is how the car has lasted after 2 years
or so.
Stewart DIBBS