GM tops reliability and regains market share
08-01-2005 | 02:20 AM
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Re: GM tops reliability and regains market share
hunkman7@excite.com wrote:
> The many changes made by GM appear to be paying off. While Buick and
> Cadillac models are now tops in relibility over all other makes, the
> recent incentives have pushed sales up 41 %. GM has increased its
> market share from 23% last year to 31% this year. This is expected to
> increase, as GM drops the incentive programs in favor of lower prices
> on most models. GM sales in Europe have risen 28% over 2004, while it
> is closing in on Volkswagen, which is the number one seller in China.
>
> Among the losers is Toyota, which is taken the brunt of the General
> Motors offensive. It is hard to beat great prices, great reliability
> and great product!
>
Interesting. We own a 2003 Honda Accord and a 2002 Olds Silhoette.
Both have spent more time in the shop than I would expect to see. The
Honda just got a new transmission under warranty while the Olds is
presently having the A/C condensor replaced at a cost of $900.
The Honda has gone through brake pads much faster than one would expect
and needed new rotors sooner than any other car I have ever owned.
My personal experience is that GM has been improving quality in recent
years while Honda has been cutting corners. The gap is not what it used
to be.
Johnj
> The many changes made by GM appear to be paying off. While Buick and
> Cadillac models are now tops in relibility over all other makes, the
> recent incentives have pushed sales up 41 %. GM has increased its
> market share from 23% last year to 31% this year. This is expected to
> increase, as GM drops the incentive programs in favor of lower prices
> on most models. GM sales in Europe have risen 28% over 2004, while it
> is closing in on Volkswagen, which is the number one seller in China.
>
> Among the losers is Toyota, which is taken the brunt of the General
> Motors offensive. It is hard to beat great prices, great reliability
> and great product!
>
Interesting. We own a 2003 Honda Accord and a 2002 Olds Silhoette.
Both have spent more time in the shop than I would expect to see. The
Honda just got a new transmission under warranty while the Olds is
presently having the A/C condensor replaced at a cost of $900.
The Honda has gone through brake pads much faster than one would expect
and needed new rotors sooner than any other car I have ever owned.
My personal experience is that GM has been improving quality in recent
years while Honda has been cutting corners. The gap is not what it used
to be.
Johnj
08-01-2005 | 02:20 AM
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hunkman7@excite.com wrote:
> The many changes made by GM appear to be paying off. While Buick and
> Cadillac models are now tops in relibility over all other makes, the
> recent incentives have pushed sales up 41 %. GM has increased its
> market share from 23% last year to 31% this year. This is expected to
> increase, as GM drops the incentive programs in favor of lower prices
> on most models. GM sales in Europe have risen 28% over 2004, while it
> is closing in on Volkswagen, which is the number one seller in China.
>
> Among the losers is Toyota, which is taken the brunt of the General
> Motors offensive. It is hard to beat great prices, great reliability
> and great product!
>
Interesting. We own a 2003 Honda Accord and a 2002 Olds Silhoette.
Both have spent more time in the shop than I would expect to see. The
Honda just got a new transmission under warranty while the Olds is
presently having the A/C condensor replaced at a cost of $900.
The Honda has gone through brake pads much faster than one would expect
and needed new rotors sooner than any other car I have ever owned.
My personal experience is that GM has been improving quality in recent
years while Honda has been cutting corners. The gap is not what it used
to be.
Johnj
> The many changes made by GM appear to be paying off. While Buick and
> Cadillac models are now tops in relibility over all other makes, the
> recent incentives have pushed sales up 41 %. GM has increased its
> market share from 23% last year to 31% this year. This is expected to
> increase, as GM drops the incentive programs in favor of lower prices
> on most models. GM sales in Europe have risen 28% over 2004, while it
> is closing in on Volkswagen, which is the number one seller in China.
>
> Among the losers is Toyota, which is taken the brunt of the General
> Motors offensive. It is hard to beat great prices, great reliability
> and great product!
>
Interesting. We own a 2003 Honda Accord and a 2002 Olds Silhoette.
Both have spent more time in the shop than I would expect to see. The
Honda just got a new transmission under warranty while the Olds is
presently having the A/C condensor replaced at a cost of $900.
The Honda has gone through brake pads much faster than one would expect
and needed new rotors sooner than any other car I have ever owned.
My personal experience is that GM has been improving quality in recent
years while Honda has been cutting corners. The gap is not what it used
to be.
Johnj
08-01-2005 | 06:31 AM
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"Shawn Taylor" <accordpower99@***.net> wrote in message
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> what studys show that JUST the reliablity is making GM increase in sales?
> Have you looked on the side of the road lately? Theres GM's reliability!
That shows that they have added the reliability that their products will
break down more. {;^)
Brian
08-01-2005 | 06:31 AM
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"Shawn Taylor" <accordpower99@***.net> wrote in message
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> what studys show that JUST the reliablity is making GM increase in sales?
> Have you looked on the side of the road lately? Theres GM's reliability!
That shows that they have added the reliability that their products will
break down more. {;^)
Brian
08-01-2005 | 06:03 PM
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I could not care less about what happens at GM. Honda products are not
perfect just way better then anything GM builds here. Honda has never
needed to resort to pricing discounts to sell their cars and have a
reputation for quality second to nobody and high resale too boot. Now even
in GM's Saturn Vue you will find a HONDA 3.5 v-6 engine , appears like they
know whats good also. Scott
perfect just way better then anything GM builds here. Honda has never
needed to resort to pricing discounts to sell their cars and have a
reputation for quality second to nobody and high resale too boot. Now even
in GM's Saturn Vue you will find a HONDA 3.5 v-6 engine , appears like they
know whats good also. Scott
08-01-2005 | 06:03 PM
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I could not care less about what happens at GM. Honda products are not
perfect just way better then anything GM builds here. Honda has never
needed to resort to pricing discounts to sell their cars and have a
reputation for quality second to nobody and high resale too boot. Now even
in GM's Saturn Vue you will find a HONDA 3.5 v-6 engine , appears like they
know whats good also. Scott
perfect just way better then anything GM builds here. Honda has never
needed to resort to pricing discounts to sell their cars and have a
reputation for quality second to nobody and high resale too boot. Now even
in GM's Saturn Vue you will find a HONDA 3.5 v-6 engine , appears like they
know whats good also. Scott
08-01-2005 | 06:08 PM
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zonie wrote:
> I could not care less about what happens at GM. Honda products are not
> perfect just way better then anything GM builds here. Honda has never
> needed to resort to pricing discounts to sell their cars and have a
> reputation for quality second to nobody and high resale too boot. Now even
> in GM's Saturn Vue you will find a HONDA 3.5 v-6 engine , appears like they
> know whats good also. Scott
---------------------------
I wouldn't buy a Saturn Vue if it came with THREE Honda engines in it .
.. . You can't turn a sow's ear into a silk purse. Resale value may be a
bit better on that version, but time will tell :-(
'Curly'
> I could not care less about what happens at GM. Honda products are not
> perfect just way better then anything GM builds here. Honda has never
> needed to resort to pricing discounts to sell their cars and have a
> reputation for quality second to nobody and high resale too boot. Now even
> in GM's Saturn Vue you will find a HONDA 3.5 v-6 engine , appears like they
> know whats good also. Scott
---------------------------
I wouldn't buy a Saturn Vue if it came with THREE Honda engines in it .
.. . You can't turn a sow's ear into a silk purse. Resale value may be a
bit better on that version, but time will tell :-(
'Curly'
08-01-2005 | 06:08 PM
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zonie wrote:
> I could not care less about what happens at GM. Honda products are not
> perfect just way better then anything GM builds here. Honda has never
> needed to resort to pricing discounts to sell their cars and have a
> reputation for quality second to nobody and high resale too boot. Now even
> in GM's Saturn Vue you will find a HONDA 3.5 v-6 engine , appears like they
> know whats good also. Scott
---------------------------
I wouldn't buy a Saturn Vue if it came with THREE Honda engines in it .
.. . You can't turn a sow's ear into a silk purse. Resale value may be a
bit better on that version, but time will tell :-(
'Curly'
> I could not care less about what happens at GM. Honda products are not
> perfect just way better then anything GM builds here. Honda has never
> needed to resort to pricing discounts to sell their cars and have a
> reputation for quality second to nobody and high resale too boot. Now even
> in GM's Saturn Vue you will find a HONDA 3.5 v-6 engine , appears like they
> know whats good also. Scott
---------------------------
I wouldn't buy a Saturn Vue if it came with THREE Honda engines in it .
.. . You can't turn a sow's ear into a silk purse. Resale value may be a
bit better on that version, but time will tell :-(
'Curly'
08-01-2005 | 07:13 PM
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<hunkman7@excite.com> wrote in message
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> The many changes made by GM appear to be paying off. While Buick and
> Cadillac models are now tops in relibility over all other makes, the
> recent incentives have pushed sales up 41 %. GM has increased its
> market share from 23% last year to 31% this year. This is expected to
> increase, as GM drops the incentive programs in favor of lower prices
> on most models. GM sales in Europe have risen 28% over 2004, while it
> is closing in on Volkswagen, which is the number one seller in China.
>
> Among the losers is Toyota, which is taken the brunt of the General
> Motors offensive. It is hard to beat great prices, great reliability
> and great product!
>
GM resorted to the big discounts to move their huge SUVs. They have a few
models that have fared fairly well in Consumer Reports reliability
ratings -- like Buick LeSabre and the like, but Cadillac is still in the
toilet. I would never trade my Prelude for anything GM makes -- and that
includes a Corvette. And, I have owned a couple Corvettes before.
08-01-2005 | 07:13 PM
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<hunkman7@excite.com> wrote in message
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> The many changes made by GM appear to be paying off. While Buick and
> Cadillac models are now tops in relibility over all other makes, the
> recent incentives have pushed sales up 41 %. GM has increased its
> market share from 23% last year to 31% this year. This is expected to
> increase, as GM drops the incentive programs in favor of lower prices
> on most models. GM sales in Europe have risen 28% over 2004, while it
> is closing in on Volkswagen, which is the number one seller in China.
>
> Among the losers is Toyota, which is taken the brunt of the General
> Motors offensive. It is hard to beat great prices, great reliability
> and great product!
>
GM resorted to the big discounts to move their huge SUVs. They have a few
models that have fared fairly well in Consumer Reports reliability
ratings -- like Buick LeSabre and the like, but Cadillac is still in the
toilet. I would never trade my Prelude for anything GM makes -- and that
includes a Corvette. And, I have owned a couple Corvettes before.
08-01-2005 | 10:51 PM
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zonie wrote:
> Honda has never
> needed to resort to pricing discounts to sell their cars
You must be forgetting the first generation Odyssey and that hack job
built by Isuzu and sold by Honda. Isuzu called their version to Rodeo.
I can not remember the Honda name.
Honda also has rebates on several models right now, including the
Accord. They just don't call 'em rebates. They call it "marketing
support" to the dealerships and the number is hidden from customers.
see:
http://www.edmunds.com/new/2005/hond...ves.3.6.Honda*
In a way this is more devious than a straight up rebate as if you don't
know about it you may not get as good of a deal as a more informed
person does.
Yes, GM currently is discounting it's vehicles more than Honda is, but
that is not the same thing as it is to say that Honda "never needed to
resort to pricing discounts". Your statement simply isn't true.
John
> Honda has never
> needed to resort to pricing discounts to sell their cars
You must be forgetting the first generation Odyssey and that hack job
built by Isuzu and sold by Honda. Isuzu called their version to Rodeo.
I can not remember the Honda name.
Honda also has rebates on several models right now, including the
Accord. They just don't call 'em rebates. They call it "marketing
support" to the dealerships and the number is hidden from customers.
see:
http://www.edmunds.com/new/2005/hond...ves.3.6.Honda*
In a way this is more devious than a straight up rebate as if you don't
know about it you may not get as good of a deal as a more informed
person does.
Yes, GM currently is discounting it's vehicles more than Honda is, but
that is not the same thing as it is to say that Honda "never needed to
resort to pricing discounts". Your statement simply isn't true.
John
08-01-2005 | 10:51 PM
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zonie wrote:
> Honda has never
> needed to resort to pricing discounts to sell their cars
You must be forgetting the first generation Odyssey and that hack job
built by Isuzu and sold by Honda. Isuzu called their version to Rodeo.
I can not remember the Honda name.
Honda also has rebates on several models right now, including the
Accord. They just don't call 'em rebates. They call it "marketing
support" to the dealerships and the number is hidden from customers.
see:
http://www.edmunds.com/new/2005/hond...ves.3.6.Honda*
In a way this is more devious than a straight up rebate as if you don't
know about it you may not get as good of a deal as a more informed
person does.
Yes, GM currently is discounting it's vehicles more than Honda is, but
that is not the same thing as it is to say that Honda "never needed to
resort to pricing discounts". Your statement simply isn't true.
John
> Honda has never
> needed to resort to pricing discounts to sell their cars
You must be forgetting the first generation Odyssey and that hack job
built by Isuzu and sold by Honda. Isuzu called their version to Rodeo.
I can not remember the Honda name.
Honda also has rebates on several models right now, including the
Accord. They just don't call 'em rebates. They call it "marketing
support" to the dealerships and the number is hidden from customers.
see:
http://www.edmunds.com/new/2005/hond...ves.3.6.Honda*
In a way this is more devious than a straight up rebate as if you don't
know about it you may not get as good of a deal as a more informed
person does.
Yes, GM currently is discounting it's vehicles more than Honda is, but
that is not the same thing as it is to say that Honda "never needed to
resort to pricing discounts". Your statement simply isn't true.
John
08-01-2005 | 11:27 PM
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Best thing about my Honda and others I see, the paint isn't falling off,
like I've seen on alot of GM and Chrysler products, if either manufacture
had any ***** they would re-paint those vehicles at no cost to the owner.
Tom
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>
> <hunkman7@excite.com> wrote in message
> news:1122854121.042620.110020@g44g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>> The many changes made by GM appear to be paying off. While Buick and
>> Cadillac models are now tops in relibility over all other makes, the
>> recent incentives have pushed sales up 41 %. GM has increased its
>> market share from 23% last year to 31% this year. This is expected to
>> increase, as GM drops the incentive programs in favor of lower prices
>> on most models. GM sales in Europe have risen 28% over 2004, while it
>> is closing in on Volkswagen, which is the number one seller in China.
>>
>> Among the losers is Toyota, which is taken the brunt of the General
>> Motors offensive. It is hard to beat great prices, great reliability
>> and great product!
>>
> GM resorted to the big discounts to move their huge SUVs. They have a few
> models that have fared fairly well in Consumer Reports reliability
> ratings -- like Buick LeSabre and the like, but Cadillac is still in the
> toilet. I would never trade my Prelude for anything GM makes -- and that
> includes a Corvette. And, I have owned a couple Corvettes before.
>
>
like I've seen on alot of GM and Chrysler products, if either manufacture
had any ***** they would re-paint those vehicles at no cost to the owner.
Tom
"TWW" <twaugh5@***.net> wrote in message
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>
> <hunkman7@excite.com> wrote in message
> news:1122854121.042620.110020@g44g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>> The many changes made by GM appear to be paying off. While Buick and
>> Cadillac models are now tops in relibility over all other makes, the
>> recent incentives have pushed sales up 41 %. GM has increased its
>> market share from 23% last year to 31% this year. This is expected to
>> increase, as GM drops the incentive programs in favor of lower prices
>> on most models. GM sales in Europe have risen 28% over 2004, while it
>> is closing in on Volkswagen, which is the number one seller in China.
>>
>> Among the losers is Toyota, which is taken the brunt of the General
>> Motors offensive. It is hard to beat great prices, great reliability
>> and great product!
>>
> GM resorted to the big discounts to move their huge SUVs. They have a few
> models that have fared fairly well in Consumer Reports reliability
> ratings -- like Buick LeSabre and the like, but Cadillac is still in the
> toilet. I would never trade my Prelude for anything GM makes -- and that
> includes a Corvette. And, I have owned a couple Corvettes before.
>
>