Fusion vs Camry and Accord - the Ford Challenge
05-06-2007 | 11:13 AM
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Re: Fusion vs Camry and Accord - the Ford Challenge
"jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message
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> Jeff wrote:
> <snip for clarity>
>
> jeff, again,
>
> 1. define "a long time".
> 2. how do you account for the age profiles of vehicles in junk yards?
I can show you junk yards that only have Japanese vehicles. Does that mean
that Japanese vehicle are junk?
Ed
05-06-2007 | 11:19 AM
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"C. E. White" <cewhite@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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> "Jeff" <news@googlemail.com> wrote in message
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>> But a lot of Escorts go a long ways.
>
> I was listening to Car Talk yesterday (5/5/07) and they had a caller with
> an Escort that had over 300,000 miles. A couple of weeks back they wre
> mazed when a guy with a Lexus over 200,00 k called in.
I missed the Lexus, but I did hear about the long-running Escort. And the
answer the puzzler, "Scent."
Jeff
> Ed
>
05-06-2007 | 11:19 AM
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Re: Fusion vs Camry and Accord - the Ford Challenge
"C. E. White" <cewhite@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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> "Jeff" <news@googlemail.com> wrote in message
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>> But a lot of Escorts go a long ways.
>
> I was listening to Car Talk yesterday (5/5/07) and they had a caller with
> an Escort that had over 300,000 miles. A couple of weeks back they wre
> mazed when a guy with a Lexus over 200,00 k called in.
I missed the Lexus, but I did hear about the long-running Escort. And the
answer the puzzler, "Scent."
Jeff
> Ed
>
05-06-2007 | 11:29 AM
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Re: Fusion vs Camry and Accord - the Ford Challenge
C. E. White wrote:
> "jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message
> news:3pGdnb103fapv6DbnZ2dnUVZ_vninZ2d@speakeasy.ne t...
>> Jeff wrote:
>> <snip for clarity>
>>
>> jeff, again,
>>
>> 1. define "a long time".
>> 2. how do you account for the age profiles of vehicles in junk yards?
>
> I can show you junk yards that only have Japanese vehicles. Does that mean
> that Japanese vehicle are junk?
>
> Ed
>
>
sure!
> "jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message
> news:3pGdnb103fapv6DbnZ2dnUVZ_vninZ2d@speakeasy.ne t...
>> Jeff wrote:
>> <snip for clarity>
>>
>> jeff, again,
>>
>> 1. define "a long time".
>> 2. how do you account for the age profiles of vehicles in junk yards?
>
> I can show you junk yards that only have Japanese vehicles. Does that mean
> that Japanese vehicle are junk?
>
> Ed
>
>
sure!
05-06-2007 | 11:29 AM
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Re: Fusion vs Camry and Accord - the Ford Challenge
C. E. White wrote:
> "jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message
> news:3pGdnb103fapv6DbnZ2dnUVZ_vninZ2d@speakeasy.ne t...
>> Jeff wrote:
>> <snip for clarity>
>>
>> jeff, again,
>>
>> 1. define "a long time".
>> 2. how do you account for the age profiles of vehicles in junk yards?
>
> I can show you junk yards that only have Japanese vehicles. Does that mean
> that Japanese vehicle are junk?
>
> Ed
>
>
sure!
> "jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message
> news:3pGdnb103fapv6DbnZ2dnUVZ_vninZ2d@speakeasy.ne t...
>> Jeff wrote:
>> <snip for clarity>
>>
>> jeff, again,
>>
>> 1. define "a long time".
>> 2. how do you account for the age profiles of vehicles in junk yards?
>
> I can show you junk yards that only have Japanese vehicles. Does that mean
> that Japanese vehicle are junk?
>
> Ed
>
>
sure!
05-06-2007 | 11:32 AM
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Re: Fusion vs Camry and Accord - the Ford Challenge
Jeff wrote:
>
> "C. E. White" <cewhite@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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>>
>> "Jeff" <news@googlemail.com> wrote in message
>> news:eL4%h.3580$pW5.3316@trnddc07...
>>
>>> But a lot of Escorts go a long ways.
>>
>> I was listening to Car Talk yesterday (5/5/07) and they had a caller
>> with an Escort that had over 300,000 miles. A couple of weeks back
>> they wre mazed when a guy with a Lexus over 200,00 k called in.
>
> I missed the Lexus, but I did hear about the long-running Escort. And
> the answer the puzzler, "Scent."
that's completely logical!
>
> "C. E. White" <cewhite@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:ffm%h.7336$Ut6.2984@newsread1.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
>>
>> "Jeff" <news@googlemail.com> wrote in message
>> news:eL4%h.3580$pW5.3316@trnddc07...
>>
>>> But a lot of Escorts go a long ways.
>>
>> I was listening to Car Talk yesterday (5/5/07) and they had a caller
>> with an Escort that had over 300,000 miles. A couple of weeks back
>> they wre mazed when a guy with a Lexus over 200,00 k called in.
>
> I missed the Lexus, but I did hear about the long-running Escort. And
> the answer the puzzler, "Scent."
that's completely logical!
05-06-2007 | 11:32 AM
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Re: Fusion vs Camry and Accord - the Ford Challenge
Jeff wrote:
>
> "C. E. White" <cewhite@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:ffm%h.7336$Ut6.2984@newsread1.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
>>
>> "Jeff" <news@googlemail.com> wrote in message
>> news:eL4%h.3580$pW5.3316@trnddc07...
>>
>>> But a lot of Escorts go a long ways.
>>
>> I was listening to Car Talk yesterday (5/5/07) and they had a caller
>> with an Escort that had over 300,000 miles. A couple of weeks back
>> they wre mazed when a guy with a Lexus over 200,00 k called in.
>
> I missed the Lexus, but I did hear about the long-running Escort. And
> the answer the puzzler, "Scent."
that's completely logical!
>
> "C. E. White" <cewhite@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:ffm%h.7336$Ut6.2984@newsread1.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
>>
>> "Jeff" <news@googlemail.com> wrote in message
>> news:eL4%h.3580$pW5.3316@trnddc07...
>>
>>> But a lot of Escorts go a long ways.
>>
>> I was listening to Car Talk yesterday (5/5/07) and they had a caller
>> with an Escort that had over 300,000 miles. A couple of weeks back
>> they wre mazed when a guy with a Lexus over 200,00 k called in.
>
> I missed the Lexus, but I did hear about the long-running Escort. And
> the answer the puzzler, "Scent."
that's completely logical!
05-06-2007 | 11:34 AM
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Re: Fusion vs Camry and Accord - the Ford Challenge
On Sun, 06 May 2007 15:12:11 GMT, "C. E. White"
<cewhite@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>"Jeff" <news@googlemail.com> wrote in message
>news:eL4%h.3580$pW5.3316@trnddc07...
>
>> But a lot of Escorts go a long ways.
>
>I was listening to Car Talk yesterday (5/5/07) and they had a caller with an
>Escort that had over 300,000 miles. A couple of weeks back they wre mazed
>when a guy with a Lexus over 200,00 k called in.
>
>Ed
>
ROFL
You can say anything on the phone.....
--
Scott in Florida
<cewhite@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>"Jeff" <news@googlemail.com> wrote in message
>news:eL4%h.3580$pW5.3316@trnddc07...
>
>> But a lot of Escorts go a long ways.
>
>I was listening to Car Talk yesterday (5/5/07) and they had a caller with an
>Escort that had over 300,000 miles. A couple of weeks back they wre mazed
>when a guy with a Lexus over 200,00 k called in.
>
>Ed
>
ROFL
You can say anything on the phone.....
--
Scott in Florida
05-06-2007 | 11:34 AM
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Re: Fusion vs Camry and Accord - the Ford Challenge
On Sun, 06 May 2007 15:12:11 GMT, "C. E. White"
<cewhite@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>"Jeff" <news@googlemail.com> wrote in message
>news:eL4%h.3580$pW5.3316@trnddc07...
>
>> But a lot of Escorts go a long ways.
>
>I was listening to Car Talk yesterday (5/5/07) and they had a caller with an
>Escort that had over 300,000 miles. A couple of weeks back they wre mazed
>when a guy with a Lexus over 200,00 k called in.
>
>Ed
>
ROFL
You can say anything on the phone.....
--
Scott in Florida
<cewhite@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>"Jeff" <news@googlemail.com> wrote in message
>news:eL4%h.3580$pW5.3316@trnddc07...
>
>> But a lot of Escorts go a long ways.
>
>I was listening to Car Talk yesterday (5/5/07) and they had a caller with an
>Escort that had over 300,000 miles. A couple of weeks back they wre mazed
>when a guy with a Lexus over 200,00 k called in.
>
>Ed
>
ROFL
You can say anything on the phone.....
--
Scott in Florida
05-06-2007 | 12:36 PM
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Re: Fusion vs Camry and Accord - the Ford Challenge
Scott in Florida wrote:
> On Sun, 06 May 2007 15:12:11 GMT, "C. E. White"
> <cewhite@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>
>>"Jeff" <news@googlemail.com> wrote in message
>>news:eL4%h.3580$pW5.3316@trnddc07...
>>
>>
>>>But a lot of Escorts go a long ways.
>>
>>I was listening to Car Talk yesterday (5/5/07) and they had a caller with an
>>Escort that had over 300,000 miles. A couple of weeks back they wre mazed
>>when a guy with a Lexus over 200,00 k called in.
>>
>>Ed
>>
>
>
> ROFL
>
>
> You can say anything on the phone.....
>
....or on usenet!
JT
05-06-2007 | 12:36 PM
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Re: Fusion vs Camry and Accord - the Ford Challenge
Scott in Florida wrote:
> On Sun, 06 May 2007 15:12:11 GMT, "C. E. White"
> <cewhite@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>
>>"Jeff" <news@googlemail.com> wrote in message
>>news:eL4%h.3580$pW5.3316@trnddc07...
>>
>>
>>>But a lot of Escorts go a long ways.
>>
>>I was listening to Car Talk yesterday (5/5/07) and they had a caller with an
>>Escort that had over 300,000 miles. A couple of weeks back they wre mazed
>>when a guy with a Lexus over 200,00 k called in.
>>
>>Ed
>>
>
>
> ROFL
>
>
> You can say anything on the phone.....
>
....or on usenet!
JT
05-06-2007 | 03:24 PM
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On Sun, 06 May 2007 16:36:54 GMT, Grumpy AuContraire
<Grumpy@ExtraGrumpyville.com> wrote:
>
>
>Scott in Florida wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 06 May 2007 15:12:11 GMT, "C. E. White"
>> <cewhite@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"Jeff" <news@googlemail.com> wrote in message
>>>news:eL4%h.3580$pW5.3316@trnddc07...
>>>
>>>
>>>>But a lot of Escorts go a long ways.
>>>
>>>I was listening to Car Talk yesterday (5/5/07) and they had a caller with an
>>>Escort that had over 300,000 miles. A couple of weeks back they wre mazed
>>>when a guy with a Lexus over 200,00 k called in.
>>>
>>>Ed
>>>
>>
>>
>> ROFL
>>
>>
>> You can say anything on the phone.....
>>
>
>
>...or on usenet!
>
>JT
True, but if you are on Usenet long enough you'll get caught.....
--
Scott in Florida
<Grumpy@ExtraGrumpyville.com> wrote:
>
>
>Scott in Florida wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 06 May 2007 15:12:11 GMT, "C. E. White"
>> <cewhite@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"Jeff" <news@googlemail.com> wrote in message
>>>news:eL4%h.3580$pW5.3316@trnddc07...
>>>
>>>
>>>>But a lot of Escorts go a long ways.
>>>
>>>I was listening to Car Talk yesterday (5/5/07) and they had a caller with an
>>>Escort that had over 300,000 miles. A couple of weeks back they wre mazed
>>>when a guy with a Lexus over 200,00 k called in.
>>>
>>>Ed
>>>
>>
>>
>> ROFL
>>
>>
>> You can say anything on the phone.....
>>
>
>
>...or on usenet!
>
>JT
True, but if you are on Usenet long enough you'll get caught.....
--
Scott in Florida
05-06-2007 | 03:24 PM
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Re: Fusion vs Camry and Accord - the Ford Challenge
On Sun, 06 May 2007 16:36:54 GMT, Grumpy AuContraire
<Grumpy@ExtraGrumpyville.com> wrote:
>
>
>Scott in Florida wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 06 May 2007 15:12:11 GMT, "C. E. White"
>> <cewhite@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"Jeff" <news@googlemail.com> wrote in message
>>>news:eL4%h.3580$pW5.3316@trnddc07...
>>>
>>>
>>>>But a lot of Escorts go a long ways.
>>>
>>>I was listening to Car Talk yesterday (5/5/07) and they had a caller with an
>>>Escort that had over 300,000 miles. A couple of weeks back they wre mazed
>>>when a guy with a Lexus over 200,00 k called in.
>>>
>>>Ed
>>>
>>
>>
>> ROFL
>>
>>
>> You can say anything on the phone.....
>>
>
>
>...or on usenet!
>
>JT
True, but if you are on Usenet long enough you'll get caught.....
--
Scott in Florida
<Grumpy@ExtraGrumpyville.com> wrote:
>
>
>Scott in Florida wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 06 May 2007 15:12:11 GMT, "C. E. White"
>> <cewhite@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"Jeff" <news@googlemail.com> wrote in message
>>>news:eL4%h.3580$pW5.3316@trnddc07...
>>>
>>>
>>>>But a lot of Escorts go a long ways.
>>>
>>>I was listening to Car Talk yesterday (5/5/07) and they had a caller with an
>>>Escort that had over 300,000 miles. A couple of weeks back they wre mazed
>>>when a guy with a Lexus over 200,00 k called in.
>>>
>>>Ed
>>>
>>
>>
>> ROFL
>>
>>
>> You can say anything on the phone.....
>>
>
>
>...or on usenet!
>
>JT
True, but if you are on Usenet long enough you'll get caught.....
--
Scott in Florida
05-06-2007 | 10:44 PM
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Re: Fusion vs Camry and Accord - the Ford Challenge
I think you're right on there. It's ok for the family sedan to look
bland, but some of these Fords look awful. The Fusion was a redesigned
Mazda 6, and it was less safe than the Mazda 6 in crash tests. I'm
staying away from Fords until they improve for sure.
That said, I'm much more impressed with GM's turnaround in the past
year. At least I am willing to drive past a GM lot now. Do check out
the new Saturn Aura. It's not quite there but getting there with the
new Hydramatic 6L series tranny!
GM had a $5000 legacy disadvantage compared to the imports (and even
now Toyota is thinking of giving it's US workers a big haircut
according to a leaked internal document). When you pay GM $18K a few
years ago you're getting only a $13K car. Now it's like getting a $16K
car and I like the improvement I see in the Lambda and Epsilon
platforms.
On May 2, 9:50 pm, Ashton Crusher <d...@moore.net> wrote:
> I think one of Fords (and Chevy's) problems is that their car designs
> suck. Every time I see a Fusion, or Milan, or the new Lincoln, etc on
> the road I am struck by how ugly they are. Pretty much the same for
> most of the Chevy's.
>
> By contrast, look at the Nissan Altima. It's just a basic mid level
> car but it looks NICE and they have made it look like QUALITY thru the
> choices of materials and other design features. On some of the
> Chevy's one of the things that often catches my eye is how things like
> the parking lot rub strip doesn't even seem like it was glued on
> straight. And don't get me started on the huge amount of cheap
> plastic they glue to every Pontiac that comes down the assembly line.
bland, but some of these Fords look awful. The Fusion was a redesigned
Mazda 6, and it was less safe than the Mazda 6 in crash tests. I'm
staying away from Fords until they improve for sure.
That said, I'm much more impressed with GM's turnaround in the past
year. At least I am willing to drive past a GM lot now. Do check out
the new Saturn Aura. It's not quite there but getting there with the
new Hydramatic 6L series tranny!
GM had a $5000 legacy disadvantage compared to the imports (and even
now Toyota is thinking of giving it's US workers a big haircut
according to a leaked internal document). When you pay GM $18K a few
years ago you're getting only a $13K car. Now it's like getting a $16K
car and I like the improvement I see in the Lambda and Epsilon
platforms.
On May 2, 9:50 pm, Ashton Crusher <d...@moore.net> wrote:
> I think one of Fords (and Chevy's) problems is that their car designs
> suck. Every time I see a Fusion, or Milan, or the new Lincoln, etc on
> the road I am struck by how ugly they are. Pretty much the same for
> most of the Chevy's.
>
> By contrast, look at the Nissan Altima. It's just a basic mid level
> car but it looks NICE and they have made it look like QUALITY thru the
> choices of materials and other design features. On some of the
> Chevy's one of the things that often catches my eye is how things like
> the parking lot rub strip doesn't even seem like it was glued on
> straight. And don't get me started on the huge amount of cheap
> plastic they glue to every Pontiac that comes down the assembly line.
05-06-2007 | 10:44 PM
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Re: Fusion vs Camry and Accord - the Ford Challenge
I think you're right on there. It's ok for the family sedan to look
bland, but some of these Fords look awful. The Fusion was a redesigned
Mazda 6, and it was less safe than the Mazda 6 in crash tests. I'm
staying away from Fords until they improve for sure.
That said, I'm much more impressed with GM's turnaround in the past
year. At least I am willing to drive past a GM lot now. Do check out
the new Saturn Aura. It's not quite there but getting there with the
new Hydramatic 6L series tranny!
GM had a $5000 legacy disadvantage compared to the imports (and even
now Toyota is thinking of giving it's US workers a big haircut
according to a leaked internal document). When you pay GM $18K a few
years ago you're getting only a $13K car. Now it's like getting a $16K
car and I like the improvement I see in the Lambda and Epsilon
platforms.
On May 2, 9:50 pm, Ashton Crusher <d...@moore.net> wrote:
> I think one of Fords (and Chevy's) problems is that their car designs
> suck. Every time I see a Fusion, or Milan, or the new Lincoln, etc on
> the road I am struck by how ugly they are. Pretty much the same for
> most of the Chevy's.
>
> By contrast, look at the Nissan Altima. It's just a basic mid level
> car but it looks NICE and they have made it look like QUALITY thru the
> choices of materials and other design features. On some of the
> Chevy's one of the things that often catches my eye is how things like
> the parking lot rub strip doesn't even seem like it was glued on
> straight. And don't get me started on the huge amount of cheap
> plastic they glue to every Pontiac that comes down the assembly line.
bland, but some of these Fords look awful. The Fusion was a redesigned
Mazda 6, and it was less safe than the Mazda 6 in crash tests. I'm
staying away from Fords until they improve for sure.
That said, I'm much more impressed with GM's turnaround in the past
year. At least I am willing to drive past a GM lot now. Do check out
the new Saturn Aura. It's not quite there but getting there with the
new Hydramatic 6L series tranny!
GM had a $5000 legacy disadvantage compared to the imports (and even
now Toyota is thinking of giving it's US workers a big haircut
according to a leaked internal document). When you pay GM $18K a few
years ago you're getting only a $13K car. Now it's like getting a $16K
car and I like the improvement I see in the Lambda and Epsilon
platforms.
On May 2, 9:50 pm, Ashton Crusher <d...@moore.net> wrote:
> I think one of Fords (and Chevy's) problems is that their car designs
> suck. Every time I see a Fusion, or Milan, or the new Lincoln, etc on
> the road I am struck by how ugly they are. Pretty much the same for
> most of the Chevy's.
>
> By contrast, look at the Nissan Altima. It's just a basic mid level
> car but it looks NICE and they have made it look like QUALITY thru the
> choices of materials and other design features. On some of the
> Chevy's one of the things that often catches my eye is how things like
> the parking lot rub strip doesn't even seem like it was glued on
> straight. And don't get me started on the huge amount of cheap
> plastic they glue to every Pontiac that comes down the assembly line.