On Jun 7, 8:10 pm, "Huck Flynn" <HF36...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...07/06/06/AR200...

Okay, first I'm going to say that SOME of the foreign branded cars
make an excellent car and that SOME of the American named cars need a
little improvement in quality. Does everybody understand that first
sentence? Good. Now bear with me.

About 20 years ago I was reading about the initial overall quality of
two cars. One was a Japanese car and the other was an American car,
both of these compared side by side. The Japanese car got rave reviews
for initial quality and component fit and the American car had a lot
of initial problems and a lot of new car complaints. Now this wasn't
just one car verses one car, it was thousands of reviews from both
models of cars. Even the owners quotes summed it up real well. "I
bought a Japanese car because of the quality that I wanted and I'm
glad of my purchase". For the American buyers, a lot of quotes were
"As usual, the American car had a lot more problems than if I'd
purchased a Japanese car". This article stated that even Lee Iacoca
(spelling?), had problems with this statement, because the American
car that they were bashing was the Plymouth Laser. Now what was the
car that thousands of buyers were praising??
It was the Mitsubishi Eclipse..........

The real irony is that these cars were identical in about every way
and even produced in the same factory and they were probably made one
car in front of each other. The only difference between the two were
the make/model badges on the dash and on the bumper. THAT'S what
Iacoca was peeved about, the perception of difference.

Once again, is there a difference? Probably.
There certainly is in people's minds.

 

On Jun 7, 8:10 pm, "Huck Flynn" <HF36...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...07/06/06/AR200...

Okay, first I'm going to say that SOME of the foreign branded cars
make an excellent car and that SOME of the American named cars need a
little improvement in quality. Does everybody understand that first
sentence? Good. Now bear with me.

About 20 years ago I was reading about the initial overall quality of
two cars. One was a Japanese car and the other was an American car,
both of these compared side by side. The Japanese car got rave reviews
for initial quality and component fit and the American car had a lot
of initial problems and a lot of new car complaints. Now this wasn't
just one car verses one car, it was thousands of reviews from both
models of cars. Even the owners quotes summed it up real well. "I
bought a Japanese car because of the quality that I wanted and I'm
glad of my purchase". For the American buyers, a lot of quotes were
"As usual, the American car had a lot more problems than if I'd
purchased a Japanese car". This article stated that even Lee Iacoca
(spelling?), had problems with this statement, because the American
car that they were bashing was the Plymouth Laser. Now what was the
car that thousands of buyers were praising??
It was the Mitsubishi Eclipse..........

The real irony is that these cars were identical in about every way
and even produced in the same factory and they were probably made one
car in front of each other. The only difference between the two were
the make/model badges on the dash and on the bumper. THAT'S what
Iacoca was peeved about, the perception of difference.

Once again, is there a difference? Probably.
There certainly is in people's minds.

 

On Jun 7, 10:03 pm, "Huck Flynn" <HF36...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "AS" <d...@spame.com> wrote in message
>
> news:NW1ai.17974$Ut6.11170@newsread1.news.pas.eart hlink.net...
>
> > Well, if you consider that JD Powers is the one giving the awards....
>
> > JD Powers awarded Scottrade as the best online broker for a few years in a
> > row. If you ask the trading community, Scottrade is far from the best
> > online broker.
>
> > In the past I also found akward some other awards that were given to other
> > companies and at the time I asked myself if JD Powers awards were for
> > sale. Just my opinion and my thoughts.
>
> JD Powers is the same company that has been proping up the japanese
> companies for the last 15 years...so what is your point.

Actually, it's been more like 25 years, only slight less than Consumer
Reports. But I understand where your coming from.

 

On Jun 7, 10:03 pm, "Huck Flynn" <HF36...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "AS" <d...@spame.com> wrote in message
>
> news:NW1ai.17974$Ut6.11170@newsread1.news.pas.eart hlink.net...
>
> > Well, if you consider that JD Powers is the one giving the awards....
>
> > JD Powers awarded Scottrade as the best online broker for a few years in a
> > row. If you ask the trading community, Scottrade is far from the best
> > online broker.
>
> > In the past I also found akward some other awards that were given to other
> > companies and at the time I asked myself if JD Powers awards were for
> > sale. Just my opinion and my thoughts.
>
> JD Powers is the same company that has been proping up the japanese
> companies for the last 15 years...so what is your point.

Actually, it's been more like 25 years, only slight less than Consumer
Reports. But I understand where your coming from.

 

Huck Flynn wrote:
> "AS" <donot@spame.com> wrote in message
> news:NW1ai.17974$Ut6.11170@newsread1.news.pas.eart hlink.net...
>> Well, if you consider that JD Powers is the one giving the awards....
>>
>> JD Powers awarded Scottrade as the best online broker for a few years in a
>> row. If you ask the trading community, Scottrade is far from the best
>> online broker.
>>
>> In the past I also found akward some other awards that were given to other
>> companies and at the time I asked myself if JD Powers awards were for
>> sale. Just my opinion and my thoughts.
>>
>
> JD Powers is the same company that has been proping up the japanese
> companies for the last 15 years...so what is your point.
>
>

Maybe they're starting to fell bad for their own domestics;0

 

Huck Flynn wrote:
> "AS" <donot@spame.com> wrote in message
> news:NW1ai.17974$Ut6.11170@newsread1.news.pas.eart hlink.net...
>> Well, if you consider that JD Powers is the one giving the awards....
>>
>> JD Powers awarded Scottrade as the best online broker for a few years in a
>> row. If you ask the trading community, Scottrade is far from the best
>> online broker.
>>
>> In the past I also found akward some other awards that were given to other
>> companies and at the time I asked myself if JD Powers awards were for
>> sale. Just my opinion and my thoughts.
>>
>
> JD Powers is the same company that has been proping up the japanese
> companies for the last 15 years...so what is your point.
>
>

Maybe they're starting to fell bad for their own domestics;0

 

Kruse wrote:
> On Jun 7, 8:10 pm, "Huck Flynn" <HF36...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...07/06/06/AR200...
>
> Okay, first I'm going to say that SOME of the foreign branded cars
> make an excellent car and that SOME of the American named cars need a
> little improvement in quality. Does everybody understand that first
> sentence? Good. Now bear with me.
>
> About 20 years ago I was reading about the initial overall quality of
> two cars. One was a Japanese car and the other was an American car,
> both of these compared side by side. The Japanese car got rave reviews
> for initial quality and component fit and the American car had a lot
> of initial problems and a lot of new car complaints. Now this wasn't
> just one car verses one car, it was thousands of reviews from both
> models of cars. Even the owners quotes summed it up real well. "I
> bought a Japanese car because of the quality that I wanted and I'm
> glad of my purchase". For the American buyers, a lot of quotes were
> "As usual, the American car had a lot more problems than if I'd
> purchased a Japanese car". This article stated that even Lee Iacoca
> (spelling?), had problems with this statement, because the American
> car that they were bashing was the Plymouth Laser. Now what was the
> car that thousands of buyers were praising??
> It was the Mitsubishi Eclipse..........
>
> The real irony is that these cars were identical in about every way
> and even produced in the same factory and they were probably made one
> car in front of each other. The only difference between the two were
> the make/model badges on the dash and on the bumper. THAT'S what
> Iacoca was peeved about, the perception of difference.
>
> Once again, is there a difference? Probably.
> There certainly is in people's minds.
>

That is true... if you perceive people or things a certain way, they
will often seem to conform.. or rather you continue to see them that way.

 

Kruse wrote:
> On Jun 7, 8:10 pm, "Huck Flynn" <HF36...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...07/06/06/AR200...
>
> Okay, first I'm going to say that SOME of the foreign branded cars
> make an excellent car and that SOME of the American named cars need a
> little improvement in quality. Does everybody understand that first
> sentence? Good. Now bear with me.
>
> About 20 years ago I was reading about the initial overall quality of
> two cars. One was a Japanese car and the other was an American car,
> both of these compared side by side. The Japanese car got rave reviews
> for initial quality and component fit and the American car had a lot
> of initial problems and a lot of new car complaints. Now this wasn't
> just one car verses one car, it was thousands of reviews from both
> models of cars. Even the owners quotes summed it up real well. "I
> bought a Japanese car because of the quality that I wanted and I'm
> glad of my purchase". For the American buyers, a lot of quotes were
> "As usual, the American car had a lot more problems than if I'd
> purchased a Japanese car". This article stated that even Lee Iacoca
> (spelling?), had problems with this statement, because the American
> car that they were bashing was the Plymouth Laser. Now what was the
> car that thousands of buyers were praising??
> It was the Mitsubishi Eclipse..........
>
> The real irony is that these cars were identical in about every way
> and even produced in the same factory and they were probably made one
> car in front of each other. The only difference between the two were
> the make/model badges on the dash and on the bumper. THAT'S what
> Iacoca was peeved about, the perception of difference.
>
> Once again, is there a difference? Probably.
> There certainly is in people's minds.
>

That is true... if you perceive people or things a certain way, they
will often seem to conform.. or rather you continue to see them that way.

 

"Kruse" <kruse@kansas.net> wrote in message
news:1181272723.799854.34510@g4g2000hsf.googlegrou ps.com...
> On Jun 7, 8:10 pm, "Huck Flynn" <HF36...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...07/06/06/AR200...
>
> Okay, first I'm going to say that SOME of the foreign branded cars
> make an excellent car and that SOME of the American named cars need a
> little improvement in quality. Does everybody understand that first
> sentence? Good. Now bear with me.
>
> About 20 years ago I was reading about the initial overall quality of
> two cars. One was a Japanese car and the other was an American car,
> both of these compared side by side. The Japanese car got rave reviews
> for initial quality and component fit and the American car had a lot
> of initial problems and a lot of new car complaints. Now this wasn't
> just one car verses one car, it was thousands of reviews from both
> models of cars. Even the owners quotes summed it up real well. "I
> bought a Japanese car because of the quality that I wanted and I'm
> glad of my purchase". For the American buyers, a lot of quotes were
> "As usual, the American car had a lot more problems than if I'd
> purchased a Japanese car". This article stated that even Lee Iacoca
> (spelling?), had problems with this statement, because the American
> car that they were bashing was the Plymouth Laser. Now what was the
> car that thousands of buyers were praising??
> It was the Mitsubishi Eclipse..........
>
> The real irony is that these cars were identical in about every way
> and even produced in the same factory and they were probably made one
> car in front of each other. The only difference between the two were
> the make/model badges on the dash and on the bumper. THAT'S what
> Iacoca was peeved about, the perception of difference.
>
> Once again, is there a difference? Probably.
> There certainly is in people's minds.

I read the same type of thing when the Pontiac Vibe / Toyota Matrix came
out. According to the article, the Matrix was gold, and yet the Vibe was
trash. I guess no one bothered to tell them they were the same cars. Now, if
I could only find that damned article.

 

"Kruse" <kruse@kansas.net> wrote in message
news:1181272723.799854.34510@g4g2000hsf.googlegrou ps.com...
> On Jun 7, 8:10 pm, "Huck Flynn" <HF36...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...07/06/06/AR200...
>
> Okay, first I'm going to say that SOME of the foreign branded cars
> make an excellent car and that SOME of the American named cars need a
> little improvement in quality. Does everybody understand that first
> sentence? Good. Now bear with me.
>
> About 20 years ago I was reading about the initial overall quality of
> two cars. One was a Japanese car and the other was an American car,
> both of these compared side by side. The Japanese car got rave reviews
> for initial quality and component fit and the American car had a lot
> of initial problems and a lot of new car complaints. Now this wasn't
> just one car verses one car, it was thousands of reviews from both
> models of cars. Even the owners quotes summed it up real well. "I
> bought a Japanese car because of the quality that I wanted and I'm
> glad of my purchase". For the American buyers, a lot of quotes were
> "As usual, the American car had a lot more problems than if I'd
> purchased a Japanese car". This article stated that even Lee Iacoca
> (spelling?), had problems with this statement, because the American
> car that they were bashing was the Plymouth Laser. Now what was the
> car that thousands of buyers were praising??
> It was the Mitsubishi Eclipse..........
>
> The real irony is that these cars were identical in about every way
> and even produced in the same factory and they were probably made one
> car in front of each other. The only difference between the two were
> the make/model badges on the dash and on the bumper. THAT'S what
> Iacoca was peeved about, the perception of difference.
>
> Once again, is there a difference? Probably.
> There certainly is in people's minds.

I read the same type of thing when the Pontiac Vibe / Toyota Matrix came
out. According to the article, the Matrix was gold, and yet the Vibe was
trash. I guess no one bothered to tell them they were the same cars. Now, if
I could only find that damned article.

 

test

 

test

 

coachrose13@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Jun 7, 10:03 pm, "Huck Flynn" <HF36...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> JD Powers is the same company that has been proping up the japanese
>> companies for the last 15 years...so what is your point.
>
> Actually, it's been more like 25 years, only slight less than Consumer
> Reports. But I understand where your coming from.

If they are just reporting the results of surveys, how can they be
propping up the Japanese, who won 5 of the 8 awards for trucks and SUVs?

 

coachrose13@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Jun 7, 10:03 pm, "Huck Flynn" <HF36...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> JD Powers is the same company that has been proping up the japanese
>> companies for the last 15 years...so what is your point.
>
> Actually, it's been more like 25 years, only slight less than Consumer
> Reports. But I understand where your coming from.

If they are just reporting the results of surveys, how can they be
propping up the Japanese, who won 5 of the 8 awards for trucks and SUVs?

 

On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 20:18:43 -0700, Kruse <kruse@kansas.net> wrote:

>The real irony is that these cars were identical in about every way
>and even produced in the same factory and they were probably made one
>car in front of each other. The only difference between the two were
>the make/model badges on the dash and on the bumper. THAT'S what
>Iacoca was peeved about, the perception of difference.
>
>Once again, is there a difference? Probably.
>There certainly is in people's minds.

First, JD Powers ia a highly biased source and their survey's are
rarely (never?) statistically valid. This one is no exception.

Second, Iococa deserves what he gets for producing the k-car :-)