On Sun, 27 Jan 2008 18:10:47 -0800 (PST), PeterOut
<MajorSetback@excite.com> wrote:

>On Jan 27, 9:01 pm, "Woody" <TheD...@pond.net> wrote:
>> No mechanic can predict what is going to fail in the future. He can only
>> asses the condition when he sees it. Stop pissing that he didn't see the
>> failure was going to happen and take it to someone to diagnose the problem
>> and get it fixed. You aparently don have the ability to troubleshoot
>> yourself xo call a tow truck or maybe you can find a service shop that will
>> pick it up...
>>
>> "PeterOut" <MajorSetb...@excite.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:4766517e-eba5-458c-ae83-89dba25acba5@z17g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > On Jan 27, 8:08 pm, Jeff <kidsdoc2...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >> PeterOut wrote:
>> >> > My wife recently purchased an automatic 2001 Honda Civic. We took it
>> >> > to a supposedly very reputable mechanic to check it out during the 30
>> >> > day trial period. They found nothing wrong. Now it has just stopped
>> >> > working. Whatever gear we put it into, it acts like it is neutral.
>> >> > Put our foot down on the accelerator and it whines but doesn't move.
>> >> > It seems like the engine is not engaging.
>>
>> >> > Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.
>> >> > Peter.
>>
>> >> If it is still in the 30-day trial period, hire a tow truck and take it
>> >> back.
>>
>> >> Jeff
>>
>> > Unfortunately it is not. We thought we were covering our bases by
>> > taking it to a supposedly reputable mechanic during that period. They
>> > found no problems. Perhaps the next step should be a class action
>> > suit but I am not sure how successful that will be since it was far
>> > from being a new car.
>
>I was thinking of a suit against Honda, not the mechanic.


I hope you're kidding??? What will be your basis? You bought a
used car, right ? How does Honda know it was not abused before you
bought it? And I think even if you had a case (which I don't think
so), I think you will have to know what is wrong with it to begin with
inorder to sue Honda .... for example how will you know how much to
sue for without knowing what is wrong and the cost to fix it.
Good Luck what ever you do.

 

PeterOut wrote:

> Thank you for your reply. We bought just over a month ago. It had
> 92839 miles when we bought it and we have since put about 500 miles on
> it, 275 since it was checked by a mechanic. When my wife drove it
> yesterday, it was slow getting into gear and then it revved up a bit
> when it was in gear. When my son drove it today, it gradually got
> progressively worse but somehow he managed to get home in it.
> However, when I tried it the gears did not appear to engage at all.
> The only gear that did not act like neutral was Park. The car was on
> a slight downward incline and rolled with every setting expect park.
> When I put it into park, it stopped rolling. My son and I can each
> bench-press 200 pounds but we were not able to push it up the slight
> incline when it was in Park with the brake off.

Hate to be the one to inject a bit of reason in all this but this
sounds quite familiar to what happened when the transmission hydraulic
pump went in a friend's '93 Protege. New pump was about $100...
replacement was done by a mechanic buddy in his back yard for a case of
beer, and it was good to go.

Obviously, there's no way to know for sure what's wrong with your car,
but it may be something simple (and relatively inexpensive) like this.
Before getting too worked up about things, have a COMPETENT transmission
shop take a look at it.

As others have noted, there likely is nobody to blame for this - it's
the kind of thing that can "just happen" on a car of that age,
especially if the previous owner didn't maintain it well. There's just
no way to tell.

 

however, a common theme in these complaints is 'went to change back to Honda
trannie fluid'.

Always run honda trannie fluid in your honda. Or deal with like this
(more often).

t

News wrote:
>>>My wife recently purchased an automatic 2001 Honda Civic. We took it
>>>to a supposedly very reputable mechanic to check it out during the 30
>[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>> I guess it's too bad we didn't see this before we bought it
>> http://www.carcomplaints.com/Honda/C..._failure.shtml
>
>This tells you no more about your specific problem than you now know.

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On Sun, 27 Jan 2008 18:10:47 -0800 (PST), PeterOut
<MajorSetback@excite.com> wrote:

>On Jan 27, 9:01 pm, "Woody" <TheD...@pond.net> wrote:
>> No mechanic can predict what is going to fail in the future. He can only
>> asses the condition when he sees it. Stop pissing that he didn't see the
>> failure was going to happen and take it to someone to diagnose the problem
>> and get it fixed. You aparently don have the ability to troubleshoot
>> yourself xo call a tow truck or maybe you can find a service shop that will
>> pick it up...
>>
>> "PeterOut" <MajorSetb...@excite.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:4766517e-eba5-458c-ae83-89dba25acba5@z17g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > On Jan 27, 8:08 pm, Jeff <kidsdoc2...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >> PeterOut wrote:
>> >> > My wife recently purchased an automatic 2001 Honda Civic. We took it
>> >> > to a supposedly very reputable mechanic to check it out during the 30
>> >> > day trial period. They found nothing wrong. Now it has just stopped
>> >> > working. Whatever gear we put it into, it acts like it is neutral.
>> >> > Put our foot down on the accelerator and it whines but doesn't move.
>> >> > It seems like the engine is not engaging.
>>
>> >> > Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.
>> >> > Peter.
>>
>> >> If it is still in the 30-day trial period, hire a tow truck and take it
>> >> back.
>>
>> >> Jeff
>>
>> > Unfortunately it is not. We thought we were covering our bases by
>> > taking it to a supposedly reputable mechanic during that period. They
>> > found no problems. Perhaps the next step should be a class action
>> > suit but I am not sure how successful that will be since it was far
>> > from being a new car.
>
>I was thinking of a suit against Honda, not the mechanic.

Good luck. It was out of warranty a long, long time ago. BTW, can
you prove the car received all the scheduled maintenance. Can you
swear it was never abused?

If the fluid is *real* clean, it may be because it was just changed
before you bought it. If so: A. Maybe they were trying to cover up a
problem or B. Maybe they put in non-Honda fluid which doesn't work so
good. (Of course, you don't even know who "they" are.)

Regardless, it is time to talk to whoever sold it to you. If they are
reputable and concerned about their reputation they might help out on
the transmission repair. (Probably not if you run in screaming about
lawsuits.)

 

On Sun, 27 Jan 2008 15:35:32 -0800 (PST), PeterOut
<MajorSetback@excite.com> wrote:

>I guess it's too bad we didn't see this before we bought it
>http://www.carcomplaints.com/Honda/C..._failure.shtml

Not sure exactly what is the common failure this might refer to.

But, Honda has had problems with their autos for many years, replaced
many on six-cylinder cars in and out of warranty. My old Acura tranny
never really worked right, and I suspect that was very common, but
since the car still moved, most people (like me) just lived with it.

Wouldn't surprise me a bit if there is a much lower statistical
failure of the same tranny technology on lower horsepower cars, and
it's probably still very rare into the 100k mile range, but it might
be just what you've got. The next question would be whether the
seller knew about it ... but who can say?

J.

 

PeterOut <MajorSetback@excite.com> wrote in
news:f41b8754-a1c8-43eb-b306-631a34bd9aec@i7g2000prf.googlegroups.com:

> On Jan 27, 10:07 pm, "JP" <xjj_pott...@xhotmailx.com> wrote:
>> "PeterOut" <MajorSetb...@excite.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:426f8dc2-c88d-4596-b2cf-6fd9f87ee88f@d21g2000prf.googlegroups.com
>> ...
>>
>> > My wife recently purchased an automatic 2001 Honda Civic. We took
>> > it to a supposedly very reputable mechanic to check it out during
>> > the 30 day trial period. They found nothing wrong. Now it has
>> > just stopped working. Whatever gear we put it into, it acts like
>> > it is neutral. Put our foot down on the accelerator and it whines
>> > but doesn't move. It seems like the engine is not engaging.
>>
>> > Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.
>> > Peter.
>>
>> Check the transmission fluid. If the fluid level gets low enough,
>> you won't get any output from the torque converter.
>
> Thanks. I checked the transmission fluid. Is was clean and in the
> normal range.
>



I just read through this thread. What a lot of usless garbage.

Evidently nobody though to check for known problems with this model. There
is one. It is exactly what you're experiencing.

Your dealer has a copy of TSB 04-036, which covers this problem in ALL '01
Civics. The problem is excessive wear in the 2nd clutch. The cure is to
replace the transmission with one which has an upgraded 2nd clutch
assembly.

Even if you're out of the normal warranty, this particular problem is
eligible for "goodwill" warranty coverage. The dealer must get approval
from Honda for this.

Visit your local Honda dealer. If this car still has its original tranny,
you may be in luck.

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The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
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All our used cars with less than 100,000 have a limited warrenty, and it you
had bought it from us there would be scrambling to get it repaired.
Check with the dealership. Raise a fuss, perhaps the will step up..
Steve



"PeterOut" <MajorSetback@excite.com> wrote in message
news:7bd200d6-e490-43fc-b821-8a159daa52e6@e25g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
> On Jan 27, 10:03 pm, "Seth" <seth_lermanNOS...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> B) What class action? Are thousands of people affected by this 1
>> mechanic
>> not predicting a future issue with a 6 year old used car? Or do you mean
>> against Honda who sold this car 6 years ago and weren't the ones
>> responsible
>> for maintaining it?
>
> It was a Honda purchased from a Honda dealer.

 

Tegger wrote:
> PeterOut <MajorSetback@excite.com> wrote in
> news:f41b8754-a1c8-43eb-b306-631a34bd9aec@i7g2000prf.googlegroups.com:
>
>> On Jan 27, 10:07 pm, "JP" <xjj_pott...@xhotmailx.com> wrote:
>>> "PeterOut" <MajorSetb...@excite.com> wrote in message
>>>
>>> news:426f8dc2-c88d-4596-b2cf-6fd9f87ee88f@d21g2000prf.googlegroups.com
>>> ...
>>>
>>>> My wife recently purchased an automatic 2001 Honda Civic. We took
>>>> it to a supposedly very reputable mechanic to check it out during
>>>> the 30 day trial period. They found nothing wrong. Now it has
>>>> just stopped working. Whatever gear we put it into, it acts like
>>>> it is neutral. Put our foot down on the accelerator and it whines
>>>> but doesn't move. It seems like the engine is not engaging.
>>>> Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.
>>>> Peter.
>>> Check the transmission fluid. If the fluid level gets low enough,
>>> you won't get any output from the torque converter.
>> Thanks. I checked the transmission fluid. Is was clean and in the
>> normal range.
>>
>
>
>
> I just read through this thread. What a lot of usless garbage.
>
> Evidently nobody though to check for known problems with this model. There
> is one. It is exactly what you're experiencing.
>
> Your dealer has a copy of TSB 04-036, which covers this problem in ALL '01
> Civics. The problem is excessive wear in the 2nd clutch. The cure is to
> replace the transmission with one which has an upgraded 2nd clutch
> assembly.
>
> Even if you're out of the normal warranty, this particular problem is
> eligible for "goodwill" warranty coverage. The dealer must get approval
> from Honda for this.
>
> Visit your local Honda dealer. If this car still has its original tranny,
> you may be in luck.

Odd... the only thing I found on the web that actually had a definition
for this TSB (almost every hit I got described the symptoms, but not the
actual problem) suggested it was a blown hydraulic pump... which is what
I suggested in the first place.

Well either way, it's a job for a good shop or dealership...

 

Matt Ion <soundy106@gmail.com> wrote in
news:gFBoj.33540$ow.26790@pd7urf1no:

> Tegger wrote:
..
>>
>> Your dealer has a copy of TSB 04-036, which covers this problem in
>> ALL '01 Civics. The problem is excessive wear in the 2nd clutch. The
>> cure is to replace the transmission with one which has an upgraded
>> 2nd clutch assembly.
>>
>> Even if you're out of the normal warranty, this particular problem is
>> eligible for "goodwill" warranty coverage. The dealer must get
>> approval from Honda for this.
>>
>> Visit your local Honda dealer. If this car still has its original
>> tranny, you may be in luck.
>
> Odd... the only thing I found on the web that actually had a
> definition for this TSB (almost every hit I got described the
> symptoms, but not the actual problem) suggested it was a blown
> hydraulic pump...



Unless this is a situation unique to the OP's car, it is not a blown pump.

The actual TSB document may be found here:
http://search.ebscohost.com/
Login with username lib and password access
Choose Auto Repair Reference Center from menu at left.
Navigate to the OP's car.

I keep posting that link, but nobody but me ever looks stuff up there.

--
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The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

 

Tegger wrote:
> Matt Ion <soundy106@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:gFBoj.33540$ow.26790@pd7urf1no:
>
>> Tegger wrote:
> .
>>> Your dealer has a copy of TSB 04-036, which covers this problem in
>>> ALL '01 Civics. The problem is excessive wear in the 2nd clutch. The
>>> cure is to replace the transmission with one which has an upgraded
>>> 2nd clutch assembly.
>>>
>>> Even if you're out of the normal warranty, this particular problem is
>>> eligible for "goodwill" warranty coverage. The dealer must get
>>> approval from Honda for this.
>>>
>>> Visit your local Honda dealer. If this car still has its original
>>> tranny, you may be in luck.
>> Odd... the only thing I found on the web that actually had a
>> definition for this TSB (almost every hit I got described the
>> symptoms, but not the actual problem) suggested it was a blown
>> hydraulic pump...
>
>
>
> Unless this is a situation unique to the OP's car, it is not a blown pump.
>
> The actual TSB document may be found here:
> http://search.ebscohost.com/
> Login with username lib and password access
> Choose Auto Repair Reference Center from menu at left.
> Navigate to the OP's car.
>
> I keep posting that link, but nobody but me ever looks stuff up there.
>

but they sure do complain if they don't like the advice they get [and
are not paying for]!

 

jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in
news:vLCdncnAMN58tj7anZ2dnUVZ_hadnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t:

> Tegger wrote:
>> Matt Ion <soundy106@gmail.com> wrote in
>> news:gFBoj.33540$ow.26790@pd7urf1no:
>>
>>> Tegger wrote:
>> .
>>>> Your dealer has a copy of TSB 04-036, which covers this problem in
>>>> ALL '01 Civics. The problem is excessive wear in the 2nd clutch.
>>>> The cure is to replace the transmission with one which has an
>>>> upgraded 2nd clutch assembly.
>>>>
>>>> Even if you're out of the normal warranty, this particular problem
>>>> is eligible for "goodwill" warranty coverage. The dealer must get
>>>> approval from Honda for this.
>>>>
>>>> Visit your local Honda dealer. If this car still has its original
>>>> tranny, you may be in luck.
>>> Odd... the only thing I found on the web that actually had a
>>> definition for this TSB (almost every hit I got described the
>>> symptoms, but not the actual problem) suggested it was a blown
>>> hydraulic pump...
>>
>>
>>
>> Unless this is a situation unique to the OP's car, it is not a blown
>> pump.
>>
>> The actual TSB document may be found here:
>> http://search.ebscohost.com/
>> Login with username lib and password access
>> Choose Auto Repair Reference Center from menu at left.
>> Navigate to the OP's car.
>>
>> I keep posting that link, but nobody but me ever looks stuff up
>> there.
>>
>
> but they sure do complain if they don't like the advice they get [and
> are not paying for]!
>



My advice is worth every penny. ;^)


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The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
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Tegger wrote:

>>> The actual TSB document may be found here:
>>> http://search.ebscohost.com/
>>> Login with username lib and password access
>>> Choose Auto Repair Reference Center from menu at left.
>>> Navigate to the OP's car.
>>>
>>> I keep posting that link, but nobody but me ever looks stuff up
>>> there.

And I apologize for not thanking you earlier for that great link (and
credentials<g>)


>> but they sure do complain if they don't like the advice they get [and
>> are not paying for]!

The ones I love (Not!) are the clueless who ask a question and then tell
the poster that they're wrong. Plonk!


>
> My advice is worth every penny. ;^)


Don't sell yourself short. Sound advice is a rarity.

 

Unquestionably Confused <Who@WhatWhere.com> wrote in news:rzHoj.1389
$R84.491@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net:


>
>
>>> but they sure do complain if they don't like the advice they get [and
>>> are not paying for]!
>
> The ones I love (Not!) are the clueless who ask a question and then tell
> the poster that they're wrong. Plonk!



Or the idiots who come here, ask a question, get answered, then just
disappear, never giving any sort of followup.




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Tegger

http://search.ebscohost.com/

I tried to log in to the site with lib, access. didnt work.
Made my own account.

Could not find Auto Repair Reference Center.

Is that the correct site?

G

 

Gene Wagenbreth wrote:
> Tegger
>
> http://search.ebscohost.com/
>
> I tried to log in to the site with lib, access. didnt work.
> Made my own account.
>
> Could not find Auto Repair Reference Center.
>
> Is that the correct site?

It is, and they do. I just logged in. It's still working.

The auto repair reference center is on the left side of the page once
you're in. It'll bite you if you don't watch out!<g>