On Jan 27, 9:01 pm, "Woody" <TheD...@pond.net> wrote:
> No mechanic can predict what is going to fail in the future. He can only
> asses the condition when he sees it. Stop pissing that he didn't see the
> failure was going to happen and take it to someone to diagnose the problem
> and get it fixed. You aparently don have the ability to troubleshoot
> yourself xo call a tow truck or maybe you can find a service shop that will
> pick it up...
>
> "PeterOut" <MajorSetb...@excite.com> wrote in message
>
> news:4766517e-eba5-458c-ae83-89dba25acba5@z17g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>
> > On Jan 27, 8:08 pm, Jeff <kidsdoc2...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> PeterOut wrote:
> >> > My wife recently purchased an automatic 2001 Honda Civic. We took it
> >> > to a supposedly very reputable mechanic to check it out during the 30
> >> > day trial period. They found nothing wrong. Now it has just stopped
> >> > working. Whatever gear we put it into, it acts like it is neutral.
> >> > Put our foot down on the accelerator and it whines but doesn't move.
> >> > It seems like the engine is not engaging.
>
> >> > Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.
> >> > Peter.
>
> >> If it is still in the 30-day trial period, hire a tow truck and take it
> >> back.
>
> >> Jeff
>
> > Unfortunately it is not. We thought we were covering our bases by
> > taking it to a supposedly reputable mechanic during that period. They
> > found no problems. Perhaps the next step should be a class action
> > suit but I am not sure how successful that will be since it was far
> > from being a new car.

I was thinking of a suit against Honda, not the mechanic.

 

PeterOut wrote:

>> If it is still in the 30-day trial period, hire a tow truck and take it
>> back.
>>
>> Jeff
>
> Unfortunately it is not. We thought we were covering our bases by
> taking it to a supposedly reputable mechanic during that period. They
> found no problems. Perhaps the next step should be a class action
> suit but I am not sure how successful that will be since it was far
> from being a new car.


Lotsa luck with a class action suit. You're reading too many newspapers
or comic books. Learn what is wrong with the car before you start
mapping a brilliant legal strategy. The first (and likely the LAST)
question you need to answer is "What warranty, if any, did you get with
the car?" If your answer is "Uh, well, the bill of sale says "No
Warranty, express or implied. Vehicle sold "As-Is"" you are, as they
say in the legal biz: SCREWED!

With no warranty, you have little recourse against the seller. He has
no duty to repair it and you'll find it very difficult to show that he
defrauded you when you already took the opportunity to check it out with
your own mechanic beforehand.

Hell, we don't even know HOW long it's been since you bought the car,
"recently" being a relative term. Nor do we know how many miles was on
the car and is on the car now.

You haven't bothered to let us know of any symptoms which may have been
observed before the fatal "everything is neutral."

I suspect, like others, that the linkage PROBABLY is connected but from
your poor description of the circumstance, it's possible that you don't
know what you're talking about when you say PARK works normally. Does
PARK just lock the ignition and steering wheel or does it actually
engage the parking pawl in the transmission? i.e., when it's in park,
can you push the car? When the car is rolling VERY slowly (you push,
wife works the shift) and you put it in PARK is there a grabbing and
quick stop of the car? If there isn't, it's not going into PARK and the
linkage is again suspect. Even if the interlock works in PARK, I
"think" there may be a possibility that the interlock could work WITHOUT
the linkage to the transmission still being connected and/or properly
adjusted.

Bottom line: Everyone, especially yourself, needs to have more
information before you get beyond having a car that doesn't move.

 

Woody wrote:
> No mechanic can predict what is going to fail in the future. He can only
> asses the condition when he sees it. Stop pissing that he didn't see the
> failure was going to happen and take it to someone to diagnose the problem
> and get it fixed. You aparently don have the ability to troubleshoot
> yourself xo call a tow truck or maybe you can find a service shop that will
> pick it up...

However, I recommend that you don't go to a chain like AAMCO. AAMCO and
other chain shops have a reputation of fixing every problem with a
transmission rebuild. And, before you take it to a particular shop,
check them out at the Better Business Bureau to see if they are a better
business or not.

Jeff

>
> "PeterOut" <MajorSetback@excite.com> wrote in message
> news:4766517e-eba5-458c-ae83-89dba25acba5@z17g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>> On Jan 27, 8:08 pm, Jeff <kidsdoc2...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> PeterOut wrote:
>>>> My wife recently purchased an automatic 2001 Honda Civic. We took it
>>>> to a supposedly very reputable mechanic to check it out during the 30
>>>> day trial period. They found nothing wrong. Now it has just stopped
>>>> working. Whatever gear we put it into, it acts like it is neutral.
>>>> Put our foot down on the accelerator and it whines but doesn't move.
>>>> It seems like the engine is not engaging.
>>>> Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.
>>>> Peter.
>>> If it is still in the 30-day trial period, hire a tow truck and take it
>>> back.
>>>
>>> Jeff
>> Unfortunately it is not. We thought we were covering our bases by
>> taking it to a supposedly reputable mechanic during that period. They
>> found no problems. Perhaps the next step should be a class action
>> suit but I am not sure how successful that will be since it was far
>> from being a new car.
>
>

 

On Sun, 27 Jan 2008 17:30:52 -0800, PeterOut wrote:

>> If it is still in the 30-day trial period, hire a tow truck and take it
>> back.

> Unfortunately it is not. We thought we were covering our bases by
> taking it to a supposedly reputable mechanic during that period. They
> found no problems. Perhaps the next step should be a class action
> suit but I am not sure how successful that will be since it was far
> from being a new car.

A class action suit? LOL!

Not only are you clueless about your car, you're ignorant about how the
law works, or even what a "class action" suit is for.

Quit ing whining, and go get the car fixed.


--
"Ubuntu" -- an African word, meaning "Slackware is too hard for me".

 

On Sun, 27 Jan 2008 18:10:47 -0800, PeterOut wrote:

> I was thinking of a suit against Honda, not the mechanic.

What would be the basis of your suit against Honda? That the transmission
failed in a 7 year old car?

Jesus, get a ing clue, you ignorant stooge.


--
"Ubuntu" -- an African word, meaning "Slackware is too hard for me".

 

On Jan 27, 9:11 pm, Say What? <No...@NotYou.com> wrote:
> PeterOut wrote:
> >> If it is still in the 30-day trial period, hire a tow truck and take it
> >> back.
>
> >> Jeff
>
> > Unfortunately it is not. We thought we were covering our bases by
> > taking it to a supposedly reputable mechanic during that period. They
> > found no problems. Perhaps the next step should be a class action
> > suit but I am not sure how successful that will be since it was far
> > from being a new car.
>
> Lotsa luck with a class action suit. You're reading too many newspapers
> or comic books. Learn what is wrong with the car before you start
> mapping a brilliant legal strategy. The first (and likely the LAST)
> question you need to answer is "What warranty, if any, did you get with
> the car?" If your answer is "Uh, well, the bill of sale says "No
> Warranty, express or implied. Vehicle sold "As-Is"" you are, as they
> say in the legal biz: SCREWED!
>
> With no warranty, you have little recourse against the seller. He has
> no duty to repair it and you'll find it very difficult to show that he
> defrauded you when you already took the opportunity to check it out with
> your own mechanic beforehand.
>
> Hell, we don't even know HOW long it's been since you bought the car,
> "recently" being a relative term. Nor do we know how many miles was on
> the car and is on the car now.
>
> You haven't bothered to let us know of any symptoms which may have been
> observed before the fatal "everything is neutral."
>
> I suspect, like others, that the linkage PROBABLY is connected but from
> your poor description of the circumstance, it's possible that you don't
> know what you're talking about when you say PARK works normally. Does
> PARK just lock the ignition and steering wheel or does it actually
> engage the parking pawl in the transmission? i.e., when it's in park,
> can you push the car? When the car is rolling VERY slowly (you push,
> wife works the shift) and you put it in PARK is there a grabbing and
> quick stop of the car? If there isn't, it's not going into PARK and the
> linkage is again suspect. Even if the interlock works in PARK, I
> "think" there may be a possibility that the interlock could work WITHOUT
> the linkage to the transmission still being connected and/or properly
> adjusted.
>
> Bottom line: Everyone, especially yourself, needs to have more
> information before you get beyond having a car that doesn't move.

Thank you for your reply. We bought just over a month ago. It had
92839 miles when we bought it and we have since put about 500 miles on
it, 275 since it was checked by a mechanic. When my wife drove it
yesterday, it was slow getting into gear and then it revved up a bit
when it was in gear. When my son drove it today, it gradually got
progressively worse but somehow he managed to get home in it.
However, when I tried it the gears did not appear to engage at all.
The only gear that did not act like neutral was Park. The car was on
a slight downward incline and rolled with every setting expect park.
When I put it into park, it stopped rolling. My son and I can each
bench-press 200 pounds but we were not able to push it up the slight
incline when it was in Park with the brake off.

 

"Say What?" <NotMe@NotYou.com> wrote in message
news:sRanj.847$R84.767@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net. ..
| PeterOut wrote:
|
| >> If it is still in the 30-day trial period, hire a tow truck and take it
| >> back.
| >>
| >> Jeff
| >
| > Unfortunately it is not. We thought we were covering our bases by
| > taking it to a supposedly reputable mechanic during that period. They
| > found no problems. Perhaps the next step should be a class action
| > suit but I am not sure how successful that will be since it was far
| > from being a new car.
|
|
| Lotsa luck with a class action suit. You're reading too many newspapers
| or comic books. Learn what is wrong with the car before you start
| mapping a brilliant legal strategy. The first (and likely the LAST)
| question you need to answer is "What warranty, if any, did you get with
| the car?" If your answer is "Uh, well, the bill of sale says "No
| Warranty, express or implied. Vehicle sold "As-Is"" you are, as they
| say in the legal biz: SCREWED!

This is sounding like a linkage problem but obviously we cannot accurately
diagnosis the problem via cyberspace... and predicting future failure is not
much different from reading tea leaves without tearing everything apart. I
also don't know how a class could be certified in this case but there still
may be legal recourse depending upon where the OP lives. This as some states
have their own laws regarding used automobiles ("Lemon Laws"). NY has a used
car warranty law that goes up to 90 days and 4,000 miles contingent upon
selling price and odometer reading. For the OP it might be worth exploring
this issue with State Attorney General's office if the dealer's position is
contrary to state law.

For example http://www.oag.state.ny.us/consumer/cars/usedqa.html

John

 

On Jan 27, 9:19 pm, Jeff <kidsdoc2...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Woody wrote:
> > No mechanic can predict what is going to fail in the future. He can only
> > asses the condition when he sees it. Stop pissing that he didn't see the
> > failure was going to happen and take it to someone to diagnose the problem
> > and get it fixed. You aparently don have the ability to troubleshoot
> > yourself xo call a tow truck or maybe you can find a service shop that will
> > pick it up...
>
> However, I recommend that you don't go to a chain like AAMCO. AAMCO and
> other chain shops have a reputation of fixing every problem with a
> transmission rebuild. And, before you take it to a particular shop,
> check them out at the Better Business Bureau to see if they are a better
> business or not.
>
> Jeff
>

Thanks. I will keep that in mind.

 

"PeterOut" <MajorSetback@excite.com> wrote in message
news:4766517e-eba5-458c-ae83-89dba25acba5@z17g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> On Jan 27, 8:08 pm, Jeff <kidsdoc2...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> PeterOut wrote:
>> > My wife recently purchased an automatic 2001 Honda Civic. We took it
>> > to a supposedly very reputable mechanic to check it out during the 30
>> > day trial period. They found nothing wrong. Now it has just stopped
>> > working. Whatever gear we put it into, it acts like it is neutral.
>> > Put our foot down on the accelerator and it whines but doesn't move.
>> > It seems like the engine is not engaging.
>>
>> > Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.
>> > Peter.
>>
>> If it is still in the 30-day trial period, hire a tow truck and take it
>> back.
>>
>> Jeff
>
> Unfortunately it is not. We thought we were covering our bases by
> taking it to a supposedly reputable mechanic during that period. They
> found no problems. Perhaps the next step should be a class action
> suit but I am not sure how successful that will be since it was far
> from being a new car.


A) If the problem is inside the transmission, unless you were willing to pay
for a tear down, there wasn't much he/she could do to see if this was going
to happen.

B) What class action? Are thousands of people affected by this 1 mechanic
not predicting a future issue with a 6 year old used car? Or do you mean
against Honda who sold this car 6 years ago and weren't the ones responsible
for maintaining it?

happens. That's the bottom line. Hopefully it is something minor link
the linkage.

 

PeterOut wrote:
>> Bottom line: Everyone, especially yourself, needs to have more
>> information before you get beyond having a car that doesn't move.
>
> Thank you for your reply. We bought just over a month ago. It had
> 92839 miles when we bought it and we have since put about 500 miles on
> it, 275 since it was checked by a mechanic. When my wife drove it
> yesterday, it was slow getting into gear and then it revved up a bit
> when it was in gear. When my son drove it today, it gradually got
> progressively worse but somehow he managed to get home in it.
> However, when I tried it the gears did not appear to engage at all.
> The only gear that did not act like neutral was Park. The car was on
> a slight downward incline and rolled with every setting expect park.
> When I put it into park, it stopped rolling. My son and I can each
> bench-press 200 pounds but we were not able to push it up the slight
> incline when it was in Park with the brake off.

Linkage to the transaxle apparently AOK. Get it to a reputable (if you
can find one) transmission shop. Also check at a Honda dealer and see
what they will charge you.

I had a transmission go out on a Buick and the dealership was able to
replace it with a completely remanufactured GM Goodwrench transmission
for less $$ than having it rebuilt by one of the chains or independents.
The best part of it was that they warranty on the on the Goodwrench
tranny was longer than the warranty on the original driveline. (either
50K miles or 60K miles - go figure)

Who knows? Honda may offer something similar. Won't hurt to check.

And the warranty I asked about and you didn't respond to? That's kinda
what I thought.

 

"PeterOut" <MajorSetback@excite.com> wrote in message
news:426f8dc2-c88d-4596-b2cf-6fd9f87ee88f@d21g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> My wife recently purchased an automatic 2001 Honda Civic. We took it
> to a supposedly very reputable mechanic to check it out during the 30
> day trial period. They found nothing wrong. Now it has just stopped
> working. Whatever gear we put it into, it acts like it is neutral.
> Put our foot down on the accelerator and it whines but doesn't move.
> It seems like the engine is not engaging.
>
> Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.
> Peter.


Check the transmission fluid. If the fluid level gets low enough, you won't
get any output from the torque converter.

 

On Jan 27, 10:03 pm, "Seth" <seth_lermanNOS...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> B) What class action? Are thousands of people affected by this 1 mechanic
> not predicting a future issue with a 6 year old used car? Or do you mean
> against Honda who sold this car 6 years ago and weren't the ones responsible
> for maintaining it?

It was a Honda purchased from a Honda dealer.

 

On Jan 27, 10:07 pm, "JP" <xjj_pott...@xhotmailx.com> wrote:
> "PeterOut" <MajorSetb...@excite.com> wrote in message
>
> news:426f8dc2-c88d-4596-b2cf-6fd9f87ee88f@d21g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>
> > My wife recently purchased an automatic 2001 Honda Civic. We took it
> > to a supposedly very reputable mechanic to check it out during the 30
> > day trial period. They found nothing wrong. Now it has just stopped
> > working. Whatever gear we put it into, it acts like it is neutral.
> > Put our foot down on the accelerator and it whines but doesn't move.
> > It seems like the engine is not engaging.
>
> > Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.
> > Peter.
>
> Check the transmission fluid. If the fluid level gets low enough, you won't
> get any output from the torque converter.

Thanks. I checked the transmission fluid. Is was clean and in the
normal range.

Thanks,
Peter.

 

On Jan 27, 10:07 pm, Say What? <No...@NotYou.com> wrote:
> PeterOut wrote:
> >> Bottom line: Everyone, especially yourself, needs to have more
> >> information before you get beyond having a car that doesn't move.
>
> > Thank you for your reply. We bought just over a month ago. It had
> > 92839 miles when we bought it and we have since put about 500 miles on
> > it, 275 since it was checked by a mechanic. When my wife drove it
> > yesterday, it was slow getting into gear and then it revved up a bit
> > when it was in gear. When my son drove it today, it gradually got
> > progressively worse but somehow he managed to get home in it.
> > However, when I tried it the gears did not appear to engage at all.
> > The only gear that did not act like neutral was Park. The car was on
> > a slight downward incline and rolled with every setting expect park.
> > When I put it into park, it stopped rolling. My son and I can each
> > bench-press 200 pounds but we were not able to push it up the slight
> > incline when it was in Park with the brake off.
>
> Linkage to the transaxle apparently AOK. Get it to a reputable (if you
> can find one) transmission shop. Also check at a Honda dealer and see
> what they will charge you.
>
> I had a transmission go out on a Buick and the dealership was able to
> replace it with a completely remanufactured GM Goodwrench transmission
> for less $$ than having it rebuilt by one of the chains or independents.
> The best part of it was that they warranty on the on the Goodwrench
> tranny was longer than the warranty on the original driveline. (either
> 50K miles or 60K miles - go figure)
>
> Who knows? Honda may offer something similar. Won't hurt to check.
>
> And the warranty I asked about and you didn't respond to? That's kinda
> what I thought.

Yes. We didn't get the warranty which was $1500. We took out a
warranty on a Ford Raurus we bought second hand and never had any
problems.

Thanks,
Peter.

 

"PeterOut" <MajorSetback@excite.com> wrote in message
news:7bd200d6-e490-43fc-b821-8a159daa52e6@e25g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
> On Jan 27, 10:03 pm, "Seth" <seth_lermanNOS...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> B) What class action? Are thousands of people affected by this 1
>> mechanic
>> not predicting a future issue with a 6 year old used car? Or do you mean
>> against Honda who sold this car 6 years ago and weren't the ones
>> responsible
>> for maintaining it?
>
> It was a Honda purchased from a Honda dealer.


That doesn't mean they did all the maintenance nor that the owner reported
every issue they ever had with it.

You bought a used car. happens.

Good luck with your class action...