If you are in the passing lane and going the speed limit, thats ok as long
as I can go around you in the slow lane, but thats not always the case.

Most of the time you are createing a rolling road block.
Tom
"Tony Hwang" <dragon40@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:g8Ekb.127844$9l5.58677@pd7tw2no...
> Hi,
> So, lemee see who has more accident, guy like you or soccer mom?
> Who pays higher insurance? You or soccer mom. 15 over speed limit?
> I don't mind slow drivers, worst are those who don't pay attention
> to their driving. Yaking on cellphone, eating, looking at map/book/
> newspaper, etc. They are the ones who don't use their signal either.
> If I am doing the limit and some guy is on my tail, I don't move over,
> let him go around. But hogging the passing lane is bad thing. You can
> get a ticket for that.
> Tony
>
>
> tflfb wrote:
> > How many of you out there drive in the fast lane ( left ), observing
the
> > speed limit instead of getting over to the (right), to let those of us
that
> > want to break the speed limit move pass you.
> >
> > I dread getting behind a mini van with the soccer mom driveling it.
They
> > think they own the road.
> >
> > In other word you are a rolling road block?
> >
> >
> > If I see someone on my ***, and I am usually over the limit in my CR-V
by at
> > lease 15 mph, I will get over to allow the guy behind me to pass, unless
I
> > am turning left a short distance ahead.
> >
> > I always observe the speed limit in residential, and school zone's.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Tom
> >
> >
>

 

"tflfb" <fuksatw@qwest.net> wrote in message
news:z6Pkb.83$bc4.4189@news.uswest.net...
> If you are in the passing lane and going the speed limit, thats ok as
long
> as I can go around you in the slow lane, but thats not always the case.

That's part of the art of driving, you have to obey the rules of the road.
To my knowledge, there is not one place in North America, where it is legal
to exceed the posted maximum speed, to pass any vehicle.

> Most of the time you are createing a rolling road block.

That is also something that you have to deal with, because of the reason
given above. It's sort of like the weather, wait five minutes, it will
change.

--
Brian
www.accesswave.ca/~orion

 

"tflfb" <fuksatw@qwest.net> wrote in message
news:z6Pkb.83$bc4.4189@news.uswest.net...
> If you are in the passing lane and going the speed limit, thats ok as
long
> as I can go around you in the slow lane, but thats not always the case.

That's part of the art of driving, you have to obey the rules of the road.
To my knowledge, there is not one place in North America, where it is legal
to exceed the posted maximum speed, to pass any vehicle.

> Most of the time you are createing a rolling road block.

That is also something that you have to deal with, because of the reason
given above. It's sort of like the weather, wait five minutes, it will
change.

--
Brian
www.accesswave.ca/~orion

 

"tflfb" <fuksatw@qwest.net> wrote in message
news:z6Pkb.83$bc4.4189@news.uswest.net...
> If you are in the passing lane and going the speed limit, thats ok as
long
> as I can go around you in the slow lane, but thats not always the case.

That's part of the art of driving, you have to obey the rules of the road.
To my knowledge, there is not one place in North America, where it is legal
to exceed the posted maximum speed, to pass any vehicle.

> Most of the time you are createing a rolling road block.

That is also something that you have to deal with, because of the reason
given above. It's sort of like the weather, wait five minutes, it will
change.

--
Brian
www.accesswave.ca/~orion

 

One of the aspects of the Texas Rode-Rage law is a stiff fine for anyone
"camping out" in the left lane. They also changed the signs on the
Interstates to say "Left lane for passing only" instead of the older, less
direct "Slower traffic keep right", which didn't work at all. Now if only
they would enforce it....

In some places it is illegal to pass on the right except when the car in the
left lane is stopped waiting to make a legal left turn.

On 10/20/03 5:51 AM, in article z6Pkb.83$bc4.4189@news.uswest.net, "tflfb"
<fuksatw@qwest.net> wrote:

> If you are in the passing lane and going the speed limit, thats ok as long
> as I can go around you in the slow lane, but thats not always the case.
>
> Most of the time you are createing a rolling road block.
> Tom
> "Tony Hwang" <dragon40@shaw.ca> wrote in message
> news:g8Ekb.127844$9l5.58677@pd7tw2no...
>> Hi,
>> So, lemee see who has more accident, guy like you or soccer mom?
>> Who pays higher insurance? You or soccer mom. 15 over speed limit?
>> I don't mind slow drivers, worst are those who don't pay attention
>> to their driving. Yaking on cellphone, eating, looking at map/book/
>> newspaper, etc. They are the ones who don't use their signal either.
>> If I am doing the limit and some guy is on my tail, I don't move over,
>> let him go around. But hogging the passing lane is bad thing. You can
>> get a ticket for that.
>> Tony
>>
>>
>> tflfb wrote:
>>> How many of you out there drive in the fast lane ( left ), observing
> the
>>> speed limit instead of getting over to the (right), to let those of us
> that
>>> want to break the speed limit move pass you.
>>>
>>> I dread getting behind a mini van with the soccer mom driveling it.
> They
>>> think they own the road.
>>>
>>> In other word you are a rolling road block?
>>>
>>>
>>> If I see someone on my ***, and I am usually over the limit in my CR-V
> by at
>>> lease 15 mph, I will get over to allow the guy behind me to pass, unless
> I
>>> am turning left a short distance ahead.
>>>
>>> I always observe the speed limit in residential, and school zone's.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Tom
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

 

One of the aspects of the Texas Rode-Rage law is a stiff fine for anyone
"camping out" in the left lane. They also changed the signs on the
Interstates to say "Left lane for passing only" instead of the older, less
direct "Slower traffic keep right", which didn't work at all. Now if only
they would enforce it....

In some places it is illegal to pass on the right except when the car in the
left lane is stopped waiting to make a legal left turn.

On 10/20/03 5:51 AM, in article z6Pkb.83$bc4.4189@news.uswest.net, "tflfb"
<fuksatw@qwest.net> wrote:

> If you are in the passing lane and going the speed limit, thats ok as long
> as I can go around you in the slow lane, but thats not always the case.
>
> Most of the time you are createing a rolling road block.
> Tom
> "Tony Hwang" <dragon40@shaw.ca> wrote in message
> news:g8Ekb.127844$9l5.58677@pd7tw2no...
>> Hi,
>> So, lemee see who has more accident, guy like you or soccer mom?
>> Who pays higher insurance? You or soccer mom. 15 over speed limit?
>> I don't mind slow drivers, worst are those who don't pay attention
>> to their driving. Yaking on cellphone, eating, looking at map/book/
>> newspaper, etc. They are the ones who don't use their signal either.
>> If I am doing the limit and some guy is on my tail, I don't move over,
>> let him go around. But hogging the passing lane is bad thing. You can
>> get a ticket for that.
>> Tony
>>
>>
>> tflfb wrote:
>>> How many of you out there drive in the fast lane ( left ), observing
> the
>>> speed limit instead of getting over to the (right), to let those of us
> that
>>> want to break the speed limit move pass you.
>>>
>>> I dread getting behind a mini van with the soccer mom driveling it.
> They
>>> think they own the road.
>>>
>>> In other word you are a rolling road block?
>>>
>>>
>>> If I see someone on my ***, and I am usually over the limit in my CR-V
> by at
>>> lease 15 mph, I will get over to allow the guy behind me to pass, unless
> I
>>> am turning left a short distance ahead.
>>>
>>> I always observe the speed limit in residential, and school zone's.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Tom
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

 

One of the aspects of the Texas Rode-Rage law is a stiff fine for anyone
"camping out" in the left lane. They also changed the signs on the
Interstates to say "Left lane for passing only" instead of the older, less
direct "Slower traffic keep right", which didn't work at all. Now if only
they would enforce it....

In some places it is illegal to pass on the right except when the car in the
left lane is stopped waiting to make a legal left turn.

On 10/20/03 5:51 AM, in article z6Pkb.83$bc4.4189@news.uswest.net, "tflfb"
<fuksatw@qwest.net> wrote:

> If you are in the passing lane and going the speed limit, thats ok as long
> as I can go around you in the slow lane, but thats not always the case.
>
> Most of the time you are createing a rolling road block.
> Tom
> "Tony Hwang" <dragon40@shaw.ca> wrote in message
> news:g8Ekb.127844$9l5.58677@pd7tw2no...
>> Hi,
>> So, lemee see who has more accident, guy like you or soccer mom?
>> Who pays higher insurance? You or soccer mom. 15 over speed limit?
>> I don't mind slow drivers, worst are those who don't pay attention
>> to their driving. Yaking on cellphone, eating, looking at map/book/
>> newspaper, etc. They are the ones who don't use their signal either.
>> If I am doing the limit and some guy is on my tail, I don't move over,
>> let him go around. But hogging the passing lane is bad thing. You can
>> get a ticket for that.
>> Tony
>>
>>
>> tflfb wrote:
>>> How many of you out there drive in the fast lane ( left ), observing
> the
>>> speed limit instead of getting over to the (right), to let those of us
> that
>>> want to break the speed limit move pass you.
>>>
>>> I dread getting behind a mini van with the soccer mom driveling it.
> They
>>> think they own the road.
>>>
>>> In other word you are a rolling road block?
>>>
>>>
>>> If I see someone on my ***, and I am usually over the limit in my CR-V
> by at
>>> lease 15 mph, I will get over to allow the guy behind me to pass, unless
> I
>>> am turning left a short distance ahead.
>>>
>>> I always observe the speed limit in residential, and school zone's.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Tom
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

 

Here in Calif, its a rarity for people to drive the posted limit on the
freeway. Even at posted limits of 65, its very common for the flow of
traffic to be 80-85mph and out in the mojave desert, I've been in traffic
flows going 95-100. As a matter of practice, I satay out of the far left
lane and drive the center or right lane a smuch as possible for a variety of
reasons....1)to be courteous to those travelling faster than me and 2)its a
proven fact that by driving in the so called slower lanes, you tend to be
off the CHP's radar screen to give out tickets. Its also fact that if you
drive in places like LA, where the flow of traffic is closer to 80 mph on
free flowing highways, the police will get on their bullhorn and tell you to
move over if you happen to drive the speed limit, but are holding up
traffic, creating a more hazardous condition by bunching up cars. I found in
Florida, the seniors drive 10 mph under the speed limit and hog the left
lane....same thing goes for RVers there too, but the truckers all ran 5-10
mph over the limit.


"tflfb" <fuksatw@qwest.net> wrote in message
news:Gjxkb.3$vb5.7069@news.uswest.net...
> How many of you out there drive in the fast lane ( left ), observing the
> speed limit instead of getting over to the (right), to let those of us
that
> want to break the speed limit move pass you.
>
> I dread getting behind a mini van with the soccer mom driveling it. They
> think they own the road.
>
> In other word you are a rolling road block?
>
>
> If I see someone on my ***, and I am usually over the limit in my CR-V by
at
> lease 15 mph, I will get over to allow the guy behind me to pass, unless I
> am turning left a short distance ahead.
>
> I always observe the speed limit in residential, and school zone's.
>
> Thanks
> Tom
>
>

 

Here in Calif, its a rarity for people to drive the posted limit on the
freeway. Even at posted limits of 65, its very common for the flow of
traffic to be 80-85mph and out in the mojave desert, I've been in traffic
flows going 95-100. As a matter of practice, I satay out of the far left
lane and drive the center or right lane a smuch as possible for a variety of
reasons....1)to be courteous to those travelling faster than me and 2)its a
proven fact that by driving in the so called slower lanes, you tend to be
off the CHP's radar screen to give out tickets. Its also fact that if you
drive in places like LA, where the flow of traffic is closer to 80 mph on
free flowing highways, the police will get on their bullhorn and tell you to
move over if you happen to drive the speed limit, but are holding up
traffic, creating a more hazardous condition by bunching up cars. I found in
Florida, the seniors drive 10 mph under the speed limit and hog the left
lane....same thing goes for RVers there too, but the truckers all ran 5-10
mph over the limit.


"tflfb" <fuksatw@qwest.net> wrote in message
news:Gjxkb.3$vb5.7069@news.uswest.net...
> How many of you out there drive in the fast lane ( left ), observing the
> speed limit instead of getting over to the (right), to let those of us
that
> want to break the speed limit move pass you.
>
> I dread getting behind a mini van with the soccer mom driveling it. They
> think they own the road.
>
> In other word you are a rolling road block?
>
>
> If I see someone on my ***, and I am usually over the limit in my CR-V by
at
> lease 15 mph, I will get over to allow the guy behind me to pass, unless I
> am turning left a short distance ahead.
>
> I always observe the speed limit in residential, and school zone's.
>
> Thanks
> Tom
>
>

 

Here in Calif, its a rarity for people to drive the posted limit on the
freeway. Even at posted limits of 65, its very common for the flow of
traffic to be 80-85mph and out in the mojave desert, I've been in traffic
flows going 95-100. As a matter of practice, I satay out of the far left
lane and drive the center or right lane a smuch as possible for a variety of
reasons....1)to be courteous to those travelling faster than me and 2)its a
proven fact that by driving in the so called slower lanes, you tend to be
off the CHP's radar screen to give out tickets. Its also fact that if you
drive in places like LA, where the flow of traffic is closer to 80 mph on
free flowing highways, the police will get on their bullhorn and tell you to
move over if you happen to drive the speed limit, but are holding up
traffic, creating a more hazardous condition by bunching up cars. I found in
Florida, the seniors drive 10 mph under the speed limit and hog the left
lane....same thing goes for RVers there too, but the truckers all ran 5-10
mph over the limit.


"tflfb" <fuksatw@qwest.net> wrote in message
news:Gjxkb.3$vb5.7069@news.uswest.net...
> How many of you out there drive in the fast lane ( left ), observing the
> speed limit instead of getting over to the (right), to let those of us
that
> want to break the speed limit move pass you.
>
> I dread getting behind a mini van with the soccer mom driveling it. They
> think they own the road.
>
> In other word you are a rolling road block?
>
>
> If I see someone on my ***, and I am usually over the limit in my CR-V by
at
> lease 15 mph, I will get over to allow the guy behind me to pass, unless I
> am turning left a short distance ahead.
>
> I always observe the speed limit in residential, and school zone's.
>
> Thanks
> Tom
>
>

 

Something not so obvious. Here in the NorthEast there are many
older highways & roads that DO NOT have New Jersey-inspired "jughandles"
that allow a right-hand U or left-hand turn. Instead . .. and I consider
this a very dangerous design fault . .. one must pull over into the left
"passing" lane in order to reach a left or U turn. Where this isn't the
case I totally agree that slow & steady drivers should always pull over to
the right into the cruising lane.



"Larry" <zieglerl@pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:zWXkb.995$9U1.81@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com.. .
> Here in Calif, its a rarity for people to drive the posted limit on the
> freeway. Even at posted limits of 65, its very common for the flow of
> traffic to be 80-85mph and out in the mojave desert, I've been in traffic
> flows going 95-100. As a matter of practice, I satay out of the far left
> lane and drive the center or right lane a smuch as possible for a variety
of
> reasons....1)to be courteous to those travelling faster than me and 2)its
a
> proven fact that by driving in the so called slower lanes, you tend to be
> off the CHP's radar screen to give out tickets. Its also fact that if you
> drive in places like LA, where the flow of traffic is closer to 80 mph on
> free flowing highways, the police will get on their bullhorn and tell you
to
> move over if you happen to drive the speed limit, but are holding up
> traffic, creating a more hazardous condition by bunching up cars. I found
in
> Florida, the seniors drive 10 mph under the speed limit and hog the left
> lane....same thing goes for RVers there too, but the truckers all ran 5-10
> mph over the limit.
>
>
> "tflfb" <fuksatw@qwest.net> wrote in message
> news:Gjxkb.3$vb5.7069@news.uswest.net...
> > How many of you out there drive in the fast lane ( left ), observing
the
> > speed limit instead of getting over to the (right), to let those of us
> that
> > want to break the speed limit move pass you.
> >
> > I dread getting behind a mini van with the soccer mom driveling it.
They
> > think they own the road.
> >
> > In other word you are a rolling road block?
> >
> >
> > If I see someone on my ***, and I am usually over the limit in my CR-V
by
> at
> > lease 15 mph, I will get over to allow the guy behind me to pass, unless
I
> > am turning left a short distance ahead.
> >
> > I always observe the speed limit in residential, and school zone's.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Tom
> >
> >
>
>

 

Something not so obvious. Here in the NorthEast there are many
older highways & roads that DO NOT have New Jersey-inspired "jughandles"
that allow a right-hand U or left-hand turn. Instead . .. and I consider
this a very dangerous design fault . .. one must pull over into the left
"passing" lane in order to reach a left or U turn. Where this isn't the
case I totally agree that slow & steady drivers should always pull over to
the right into the cruising lane.



"Larry" <zieglerl@pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:zWXkb.995$9U1.81@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com.. .
> Here in Calif, its a rarity for people to drive the posted limit on the
> freeway. Even at posted limits of 65, its very common for the flow of
> traffic to be 80-85mph and out in the mojave desert, I've been in traffic
> flows going 95-100. As a matter of practice, I satay out of the far left
> lane and drive the center or right lane a smuch as possible for a variety
of
> reasons....1)to be courteous to those travelling faster than me and 2)its
a
> proven fact that by driving in the so called slower lanes, you tend to be
> off the CHP's radar screen to give out tickets. Its also fact that if you
> drive in places like LA, where the flow of traffic is closer to 80 mph on
> free flowing highways, the police will get on their bullhorn and tell you
to
> move over if you happen to drive the speed limit, but are holding up
> traffic, creating a more hazardous condition by bunching up cars. I found
in
> Florida, the seniors drive 10 mph under the speed limit and hog the left
> lane....same thing goes for RVers there too, but the truckers all ran 5-10
> mph over the limit.
>
>
> "tflfb" <fuksatw@qwest.net> wrote in message
> news:Gjxkb.3$vb5.7069@news.uswest.net...
> > How many of you out there drive in the fast lane ( left ), observing
the
> > speed limit instead of getting over to the (right), to let those of us
> that
> > want to break the speed limit move pass you.
> >
> > I dread getting behind a mini van with the soccer mom driveling it.
They
> > think they own the road.
> >
> > In other word you are a rolling road block?
> >
> >
> > If I see someone on my ***, and I am usually over the limit in my CR-V
by
> at
> > lease 15 mph, I will get over to allow the guy behind me to pass, unless
I
> > am turning left a short distance ahead.
> >
> > I always observe the speed limit in residential, and school zone's.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Tom
> >
> >
>
>

 

Something not so obvious. Here in the NorthEast there are many
older highways & roads that DO NOT have New Jersey-inspired "jughandles"
that allow a right-hand U or left-hand turn. Instead . .. and I consider
this a very dangerous design fault . .. one must pull over into the left
"passing" lane in order to reach a left or U turn. Where this isn't the
case I totally agree that slow & steady drivers should always pull over to
the right into the cruising lane.



"Larry" <zieglerl@pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:zWXkb.995$9U1.81@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com.. .
> Here in Calif, its a rarity for people to drive the posted limit on the
> freeway. Even at posted limits of 65, its very common for the flow of
> traffic to be 80-85mph and out in the mojave desert, I've been in traffic
> flows going 95-100. As a matter of practice, I satay out of the far left
> lane and drive the center or right lane a smuch as possible for a variety
of
> reasons....1)to be courteous to those travelling faster than me and 2)its
a
> proven fact that by driving in the so called slower lanes, you tend to be
> off the CHP's radar screen to give out tickets. Its also fact that if you
> drive in places like LA, where the flow of traffic is closer to 80 mph on
> free flowing highways, the police will get on their bullhorn and tell you
to
> move over if you happen to drive the speed limit, but are holding up
> traffic, creating a more hazardous condition by bunching up cars. I found
in
> Florida, the seniors drive 10 mph under the speed limit and hog the left
> lane....same thing goes for RVers there too, but the truckers all ran 5-10
> mph over the limit.
>
>
> "tflfb" <fuksatw@qwest.net> wrote in message
> news:Gjxkb.3$vb5.7069@news.uswest.net...
> > How many of you out there drive in the fast lane ( left ), observing
the
> > speed limit instead of getting over to the (right), to let those of us
> that
> > want to break the speed limit move pass you.
> >
> > I dread getting behind a mini van with the soccer mom driveling it.
They
> > think they own the road.
> >
> > In other word you are a rolling road block?
> >
> >
> > If I see someone on my ***, and I am usually over the limit in my CR-V
by
> at
> > lease 15 mph, I will get over to allow the guy behind me to pass, unless
I
> > am turning left a short distance ahead.
> >
> > I always observe the speed limit in residential, and school zone's.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Tom
> >
> >
>
>

 

In Pennsylvania it is illegal to DRIVE in the left lane of a four
lane highway, except to overtake another vehicle, even at the
speed limit. The driver must yield, to the right if signaled by
another driver that wants to pass, although passing on the right
is legal. If you get caught riding in the left lane, except to
overtake another vehicle, it will cost you $136.


mike hunt



tflfb wrote:
>
> If you are in the passing lane and going the speed limit, thats ok as long
> as I can go around you in the slow lane, but thats not always the case.
>
> Most of the time you are createing a rolling road block.
> Tom
> "Tony Hwang" <dragon40@shaw.ca> wrote in message
> news:g8Ekb.127844$9l5.58677@pd7tw2no...
> > Hi,
> > So, lemee see who has more accident, guy like you or soccer mom?
> > Who pays higher insurance? You or soccer mom. 15 over speed limit?
> > I don't mind slow drivers, worst are those who don't pay attention
> > to their driving. Yaking on cellphone, eating, looking at map/book/
> > newspaper, etc. They are the ones who don't use their signal either.
> > If I am doing the limit and some guy is on my tail, I don't move over,
> > let him go around. But hogging the passing lane is bad thing. You can
> > get a ticket for that.
> > Tony
> >
> >
> > tflfb wrote:
> > > How many of you out there drive in the fast lane ( left ), observing
> the
> > > speed limit instead of getting over to the (right), to let those of us
> that
> > > want to break the speed limit move pass you.
> > >
> > > I dread getting behind a mini van with the soccer mom driveling it.
> They
> > > think they own the road.
> > >
> > > In other word you are a rolling road block?
> > >
> > >
> > > If I see someone on my ***, and I am usually over the limit in my CR-V
> by at
> > > lease 15 mph, I will get over to allow the guy behind me to pass, unless
> I
> > > am turning left a short distance ahead.
> > >
> > > I always observe the speed limit in residential, and school zone's.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > Tom
> > >
> > >
> >

 

In Pennsylvania it is illegal to DRIVE in the left lane of a four
lane highway, except to overtake another vehicle, even at the
speed limit. The driver must yield, to the right if signaled by
another driver that wants to pass, although passing on the right
is legal. If you get caught riding in the left lane, except to
overtake another vehicle, it will cost you $136.


mike hunt



tflfb wrote:
>
> If you are in the passing lane and going the speed limit, thats ok as long
> as I can go around you in the slow lane, but thats not always the case.
>
> Most of the time you are createing a rolling road block.
> Tom
> "Tony Hwang" <dragon40@shaw.ca> wrote in message
> news:g8Ekb.127844$9l5.58677@pd7tw2no...
> > Hi,
> > So, lemee see who has more accident, guy like you or soccer mom?
> > Who pays higher insurance? You or soccer mom. 15 over speed limit?
> > I don't mind slow drivers, worst are those who don't pay attention
> > to their driving. Yaking on cellphone, eating, looking at map/book/
> > newspaper, etc. They are the ones who don't use their signal either.
> > If I am doing the limit and some guy is on my tail, I don't move over,
> > let him go around. But hogging the passing lane is bad thing. You can
> > get a ticket for that.
> > Tony
> >
> >
> > tflfb wrote:
> > > How many of you out there drive in the fast lane ( left ), observing
> the
> > > speed limit instead of getting over to the (right), to let those of us
> that
> > > want to break the speed limit move pass you.
> > >
> > > I dread getting behind a mini van with the soccer mom driveling it.
> They
> > > think they own the road.
> > >
> > > In other word you are a rolling road block?
> > >
> > >
> > > If I see someone on my ***, and I am usually over the limit in my CR-V
> by at
> > > lease 15 mph, I will get over to allow the guy behind me to pass, unless
> I
> > > am turning left a short distance ahead.
> > >
> > > I always observe the speed limit in residential, and school zone's.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > Tom
> > >
> > >
> >