"Elle" <honda.lioness@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote in
news:13mmaabmc723063@corp.supernews.com:


>
> I understand your point about trying to preserve the
> original came-with-the-car joints. But that boot replacement
> and joint cleaning labor is going to cost a person. Wouldn't
> it be cheaper and just as reliable to buy the remanned OEM
> ones that Majestic Honda offers and replace the whole
> half-shaft? About a year-and-a-half ago, Majestic wanted
> $130 for a remanned half shaft for my 91 Civic.



I suppose if the shaft assembly is an actual /Honda/ reman and not just
an uncertified aftermarket that happens to being sold by Majestic, then
it would be OK. Dealerships are independent companies and are free to
sell anything they want to the public.

In any case the part number would tell you. Also, the genuine Honda
remanned parts I've seen all either have a sticker on them which
indicates that, or come in a box with the same assurance.

Since you have absolutely no idea what sort of condition any aftermarket
reman is in, it is always preferable to replace your boots before they
split and keep the original shaft assembly.

My point in all of this is that the new OEM boots are so good you'll
probably never have to replace them ever again. with aftermarket you're
looking at the definite possibility of failed boots/joints in a few
years. So that $130 may end up being a wash, or false economy, not even
counting the aggravation and time required to replace the shafts again.

The newest cars already have these new boots, so may never need boot
replacement at all.



>
> I am okay with tightening the bands (well, from my amateur
> reading and limited hands on) if a close inspection
> indicates the bands appear a bit loose and are likely
> leaking.



The bands can appear tight but still be leaking grease. There's an awful
lot of force and flex while the boot is spinning around, force and flex
you can't simulate with your hands.



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Grumpy AuContraire <Grumpy@ExtraGrumpyville.com> wrote in news:yYGaj.64665
$MJ6.31214@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net:


>>
>
>
> I have the two original half shafts for the '83 in the shed and they
> have cracks but are not split. Since the car only had 110K (miles) on
> it, I'm assuming that they were original so it might well pay to have
> these professionally rebooted, yes?
>
>


Absolutely! *Especially* with a car that old. How often are you going to
run into actual unremanufactured OEM joints/shafts for that vehicle?

Your problem here will be that the garage can't simply add new grease to
the old as usual. The old grease will be dried out and useless, so they'd
have to get rid of it all with a total teardown and clean.

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Grumpy AuContraire <Grumpy@ExtraGrumpyville.com> wrote in
news:WVGaj.64658$MJ6.62126@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net:

>
>
> Elle wrote:
>

>>
>> I have yet to hear of a catastrophic CV joint failure on the
>> Honda newsgroups, besides. Clicking and clunking, but not a
>> dangerous failure while driving. Though I am sure it could
>> happen.
>>
>>
>
>
> I know people that have driven vehicles with noisy c/v joints for
> thousands of miles.



I drove around on my noisy left-hand outer joint for a good two years. The
clonking was almost deafening by the time I finally decided to do something
about it.





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Tegger wrote:
> Grumpy AuContraire <Grumpy@ExtraGrumpyville.com> wrote in
> news:WVGaj.64658$MJ6.62126@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net:
>
>
>>
>>Elle wrote:
>>
>
>
>>>I have yet to hear of a catastrophic CV joint failure on the
>>>Honda newsgroups, besides. Clicking and clunking, but not a
>>>dangerous failure while driving. Though I am sure it could
>>>happen.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>I know people that have driven vehicles with noisy c/v joints for
>>thousands of miles.
>
>
>
>
> I drove around on my noisy left-hand outer joint for a good two years. The
> clonking was almost deafening by the time I finally decided to do something
> about it.



The joints currently in the car are from the wrecked '81 that donated
the engine. A local garage "rebooted" 'em but shortly thereafter, one
developed a small split which I believe was probably caused by a flying
rock when driving down a friends dirt road too fast. At any rate, I
don't plan on doing anything for a year at least when the rebuilt
original engine will be going into this car along with a refurbished tranny.

JT

 

On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 12:13:30 +0000, Tegger wrote:

>>> And to the OP: CV joint boots split with regularity if not examined
>>> once in a while.

>> So, you're saying that examining the boots will keep them from
>> splitting, huh?

> No, you can get them replaced BEFORE they split, and thus salvage your
> original joints.

That isn't what you said, though.

> New OEM replacement boots are far more durable than the originals and will
> probably outlast the car.

If you say so.


--
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On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 19:33:34 -0800, jim beam
<spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote:

>KR wrote:
>> 96 EX Accord w 150k miles. On right inner & outer & left inner cv
>> joints there is a grease leak from the ends of the boots. Boots are
>> good & the boot clamps look ok. Why/how is grease getting out? No
>> typical bad cv joint symptoms yet. Garage recommended new half axles
>> - apparently nobody changes just boots anymore because of the labor
>> costs. Before I go that route I'll get a lot more miles out of these
>> - at least until they start clicking. I've not heard of grease
>> leaking from good joints/boots. It's the vertical sling out pattern
>> on the facing & backing surfaces & right where the boot/clamp there is
>> seepage. Any ideas?
>
>by close inspection, you need to determine the cause of leakage. if you
>have the original honda shafts, and your boots have not been changed
>before now, they're almost certainly failing - it's highly unusual for
>oem honda shafts to be leak any way other than because of a cracked or
>damaged boot.
>
>regarding the cost of repair, brand new aftermarket shafts, no core
>charge, are under $100 each and they take about 10 minutes each to
>change. repairing the oem shafts, while a better technical solution
>because they're better quality and last longer, costs a lot more because
>the parts are expensive and there are multiple hours of work involved.
>while driving, you'll be challenged to tell any difference. and
>financially, most of the time, the significantly lower cost of
>aftermarkets, even though they don't last as long, mean you're still ahead.


Plus if you get the Cardone ones from AdcanceAutoParts, they carry a
lifetime warranty, so when they do crack the next time, you can get
them swapped. So far knock on wood, they have lasted me almost three
years.

 

nick@nowhere.com wrote:
> On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 19:33:34 -0800, jim beam
> <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote:
>
>
>>KR wrote:
>>
>>>96 EX Accord w 150k miles. On right inner & outer & left inner cv
>>>joints there is a grease leak from the ends of the boots. Boots are
>>>good & the boot clamps look ok. Why/how is grease getting out? No
>>>typical bad cv joint symptoms yet. Garage recommended new half axles
>>>- apparently nobody changes just boots anymore because of the labor
>>>costs. Before I go that route I'll get a lot more miles out of these
>>>- at least until they start clicking. I've not heard of grease
>>>leaking from good joints/boots. It's the vertical sling out pattern
>>>on the facing & backing surfaces & right where the boot/clamp there is
>>>seepage. Any ideas?
>>
>>by close inspection, you need to determine the cause of leakage. if you
>>have the original honda shafts, and your boots have not been changed
>>before now, they're almost certainly failing - it's highly unusual for
>>oem honda shafts to be leak any way other than because of a cracked or
>>damaged boot.
>>
>>regarding the cost of repair, brand new aftermarket shafts, no core
>>charge, are under $100 each and they take about 10 minutes each to
>>change. repairing the oem shafts, while a better technical solution
>>because they're better quality and last longer, costs a lot more because
>>the parts are expensive and there are multiple hours of work involved.
>>while driving, you'll be challenged to tell any difference. and
>>financially, most of the time, the significantly lower cost of
>>aftermarkets, even though they don't last as long, mean you're still ahead.
>
>
>
> Plus if you get the Cardone ones from AdcanceAutoParts, they carry a
> lifetime warranty, so when they do crack the next time, you can get
> them swapped. So far knock on wood, they have lasted me almost three
> years.
>
>


You're lucky.

Virtually everything that I purchased with a "Cardone" connection has
failed prematurely.

Now, I avoid that brand judiciously.

JT

 

On Dec 20, 2:17 pm, Tegger <teg...@tegger.c0m> wrote:
> KR<ker1...@gmail.com> wrote in news:53378197-c16d-4d93-bbbf-090f30408ec2
> @r60g2000hsc.googlegroups.com:
>
> > 96 EX Accord w 150k miles. On right inner & outer & left innercv
> > joints there is agreaseleak from the ends of the boots. Boots are
> > good & the boot clamps look ok. Why/how isgreasegetting out? No
> > typical badcvjointsymptoms yet. Garage recommended new half axles
> > - apparently nobody changes just boots anymore because of the labor
> > costs. Before I go that route I'll get a lot more miles out of these
> > - at least until they start clicking. I've not heard ofgrease
> > leaking from good joints/boots. It's the vertical sling out pattern
> > on the facing & backing surfaces & right where the boot/clamp there is
> > seepage. Any ideas?
>
> Aftermarket shafts with insufficiently tightened boot bands. The shop can
> replace the bands without removing the shafts from the vehicle. Should be a
> quick and cheap fix.
>
> The shafts may go a long time yet even with a lesser amount ofgreasein
> the joints, so it's definitely worth a try before replacing the shafts.
>
> --
> Tegger
>
> The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQwww.tegger.com/hondafaq/

Thanks for all the responses on this. Obviously this is a pervasive
concern & common experience. The CV joint boots were replaced in 2003
either at the Honda dealer or a reputable garage. Half-axles/CV
joints are original. No clicking or thunking at all & boots are good
- no cracks at all. The grease really is coming out of the ends of
the boots under the clamps. I'm intrigued with the approach of just
replacing/tightening the clamps, at least as a 1st step. Does that
require special equipment/tools? Is that something I could do myself
or is it a 5 min job at the garage that they probably would not charge
much for?

 

http://www.toolfetch.com/Category--A...--KD3191.shtml

But I think you'd need to buy some new bands, since the
excess is required for tightening and then gets cut off.

I used one (once, in the course). It's a little tricky for
the inexperienced to use. I think I'd call around and see
what a shop wants to change out the bands. I might go for
it, though.

"KR" <ker1ker@gmail.com> wrote
> On Dec 20, 2:17 pm, Tegger <teg...@tegger.c0m> wrote:
>> > 96 EX Accord w 150k miles. On right inner & outer &
>> > left innercv
>> > joints there is agreaseleak from the ends of the boots.
>> > Boots are
>> > good & the boot clamps look ok. Why/how
>> > isgreasegetting out? No
>> > typical badcvjointsymptoms yet. Garage recommended new
>> > half axles
>> > - apparently nobody changes just boots anymore because
>> > of the labor
>> > costs. Before I go that route I'll get a lot more
>> > miles out of these
>> > - at least until they start clicking. I've not heard
>> > ofgrease
>> > leaking from good joints/boots. It's the vertical
>> > sling out pattern
>> > on the facing & backing surfaces & right where the
>> > boot/clamp there is
>> > seepage. Any ideas?
>>
>> Aftermarket shafts with insufficiently tightened boot
>> bands. The shop can
>> replace the bands without removing the shafts from the
>> vehicle. Should be a
>> quick and cheap fix.
>>
>> The shafts may go a long time yet even with a lesser
>> amount ofgreasein
>> the joints, so it's definitely worth a try before
>> replacing the shafts.
>>
>> --
>> Tegger
>>
>> The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQwww.tegger.com/hondafaq/
>
> Thanks for all the responses on this. Obviously this is a
> pervasive
> concern & common experience. The CV joint boots were
> replaced in 2003
> either at the Honda dealer or a reputable garage.
> Half-axles/CV
> joints are original. No clicking or thunking at all &
> boots are good
> - no cracks at all. The grease really is coming out of
> the ends of
> the boots under the clamps. I'm intrigued with the
> approach of just
> replacing/tightening the clamps, at least as a 1st step.
> Does that
> require special equipment/tools? Is that something I
> could do myself
> or is it a 5 min job at the garage that they probably
> would not charge
> much for?

 

The important part of replacing the bands without replacing the boots is
cleanliness. After removal of the the old bands, the boot should be
cleaned along with the axle mating surface to ensure that no grease
exists between the boot and that surface. Failure to do so will surely
result in the boot slipping and leakage reoccurring...

JT




Elle wrote:
> http://www.toolfetch.com/Category--A...--KD3191.shtml
>
> But I think you'd need to buy some new bands, since the
> excess is required for tightening and then gets cut off.
>
> I used one (once, in the course). It's a little tricky for
> the inexperienced to use. I think I'd call around and see
> what a shop wants to change out the bands. I might go for
> it, though.
>
> "KR" <ker1ker@gmail.com> wrote
>
>>On Dec 20, 2:17 pm, Tegger <teg...@tegger.c0m> wrote:
>>
>>>>96 EX Accord w 150k miles. On right inner & outer &
>>>>left innercv
>>>>joints there is agreaseleak from the ends of the boots.
>>>>Boots are
>>>>good & the boot clamps look ok. Why/how
>>>>isgreasegetting out? No
>>>>typical badcvjointsymptoms yet. Garage recommended new
>>>>half axles
>>>>- apparently nobody changes just boots anymore because
>>>>of the labor
>>>>costs. Before I go that route I'll get a lot more
>>>>miles out of these
>>>>- at least until they start clicking. I've not heard
>>>>ofgrease
>>>>leaking from good joints/boots. It's the vertical
>>>>sling out pattern
>>>>on the facing & backing surfaces & right where the
>>>>boot/clamp there is
>>>>seepage. Any ideas?
>>>
>>>Aftermarket shafts with insufficiently tightened boot
>>>bands. The shop can
>>>replace the bands without removing the shafts from the
>>>vehicle. Should be a
>>>quick and cheap fix.
>>>
>>>The shafts may go a long time yet even with a lesser
>>>amount ofgreasein
>>>the joints, so it's definitely worth a try before
>>>replacing the shafts.
>>>
>>>--
>>>Tegger
>>>
>>>The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQwww.tegger.com/hondafaq/
>>
>>Thanks for all the responses on this. Obviously this is a
>>pervasive
>>concern & common experience. The CV joint boots were
>>replaced in 2003
>>either at the Honda dealer or a reputable garage.
>>Half-axles/CV
>>joints are original. No clicking or thunking at all &
>>boots are good
>>- no cracks at all. The grease really is coming out of
>>the ends of
>>the boots under the clamps. I'm intrigued with the
>>approach of just
>>replacing/tightening the clamps, at least as a 1st step.
>>Does that
>>require special equipment/tools? Is that something I
>>could do myself
>>or is it a 5 min job at the garage that they probably
>>would not charge
>>much for?
>
>
>

 

KR <ker1ker@gmail.com> wrote in
news:ec3af106-ba48-4685-aad6-3f481d025caa@c49g2000hsc.googlegroups.com:


>>
>
> Thanks for all the responses on this. Obviously this is a pervasive
> concern & common experience.



Loose bands are NOT common, split boots are.



> The CV joint boots were replaced in 2003
> either at the Honda dealer or a reputable garage.
> Half-axles/CV
> joints are original. No clicking or thunking at all & boots are good
> - no cracks at all. The grease really is coming out of the ends of
> the boots under the clamps. I'm intrigued with the approach of just
> replacing/tightening the clamps, at least as a 1st step. Does that
> require special equipment/tools? Is that something I could do myself
> or is it a 5 min job at the garage that they probably would not charge
> much for?



You must replace the bands. It's best if you let the garage do the work.


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> Virtually everything that I purchased with a "Cardone" connection has
> failed prematurely.
>
> Now, I avoid that brand judiciously.

Were there new Cardone or rebuilt Cardone? I'm guessing rebuilt, but
I'd like to hear your answer.

 

scott21230@gmail.com wrote:
>>Virtually everything that I purchased with a "Cardone" connection has
>>failed prematurely.
>>
>>Now, I avoid that brand judiciously.
>
>
> Were there new Cardone or rebuilt Cardone? I'm guessing rebuilt, but
> I'd like to hear your answer.


I don't know of anything "new" coming out of Cardone...

JT