"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
news:elmop-45364C.07375830072006@nntp3.usenetserver.com...
> In article <o%_yg.273383$iF6.132075@pd7tw2no>,
> Matt Ion <soundy@moltenimage.com> wrote:
>
>> In
>> the end, it will depend a lot of how you drive and what type of driving
>> you
>> do.
>
> You mean like the Prius idiots I follow who are apparently so busy
> driving their video game and watching the fancy power screen that they
> don't realize that it's rush hour outside and they're impeding hordes of
> traffic as they drive very carefully to make the video game screen go
> all green?
>
You've been watching them do that when you should be watching the road? I
assumed they were reading magazines like everybody else. ;-)

Traffic conditions and short trips are the big determinants of fuel economy
with any car, and it really shows up with hybrids. 1 mile trips are a killer
of fuel economy with anything on the market today except electric cars.
Conventional cars drink gas with mild traffic congestion while the Prius
(dunno about the HCH) thrives on it. The Prius suffers in heavy congestion;
if you are averaging less than 20 mph you can expect the climate control to
take a larger part of your fuel budget, whether heating or cooling.

Mike

 

"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
news:elmop-45364C.07375830072006@nntp3.usenetserver.com...
> In article <o%_yg.273383$iF6.132075@pd7tw2no>,
> Matt Ion <soundy@moltenimage.com> wrote:
>
>> In
>> the end, it will depend a lot of how you drive and what type of driving
>> you
>> do.
>
> You mean like the Prius idiots I follow who are apparently so busy
> driving their video game and watching the fancy power screen that they
> don't realize that it's rush hour outside and they're impeding hordes of
> traffic as they drive very carefully to make the video game screen go
> all green?
>
You've been watching them do that when you should be watching the road? I
assumed they were reading magazines like everybody else. ;-)

Traffic conditions and short trips are the big determinants of fuel economy
with any car, and it really shows up with hybrids. 1 mile trips are a killer
of fuel economy with anything on the market today except electric cars.
Conventional cars drink gas with mild traffic congestion while the Prius
(dunno about the HCH) thrives on it. The Prius suffers in heavy congestion;
if you are averaging less than 20 mph you can expect the climate control to
take a larger part of your fuel budget, whether heating or cooling.

Mike

 

"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
news:elmop-45364C.07375830072006@nntp3.usenetserver.com...
> In article <o%_yg.273383$iF6.132075@pd7tw2no>,
> Matt Ion <soundy@moltenimage.com> wrote:
>
>> In
>> the end, it will depend a lot of how you drive and what type of driving
>> you
>> do.
>
> You mean like the Prius idiots I follow who are apparently so busy
> driving their video game and watching the fancy power screen that they
> don't realize that it's rush hour outside and they're impeding hordes of
> traffic as they drive very carefully to make the video game screen go
> all green?
>
You've been watching them do that when you should be watching the road? I
assumed they were reading magazines like everybody else. ;-)

Traffic conditions and short trips are the big determinants of fuel economy
with any car, and it really shows up with hybrids. 1 mile trips are a killer
of fuel economy with anything on the market today except electric cars.
Conventional cars drink gas with mild traffic congestion while the Prius
(dunno about the HCH) thrives on it. The Prius suffers in heavy congestion;
if you are averaging less than 20 mph you can expect the climate control to
take a larger part of your fuel budget, whether heating or cooling.

Mike

 

"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
news:elmop-45364C.07375830072006@nntp3.usenetserver.com...
> In article <o%_yg.273383$iF6.132075@pd7tw2no>,
> Matt Ion <soundy@moltenimage.com> wrote:
>
>> In
>> the end, it will depend a lot of how you drive and what type of driving
>> you
>> do.
>
> You mean like the Prius idiots I follow who are apparently so busy
> driving their video game and watching the fancy power screen that they
> don't realize that it's rush hour outside and they're impeding hordes of
> traffic as they drive very carefully to make the video game screen go
> all green?
>
You've been watching them do that when you should be watching the road? I
assumed they were reading magazines like everybody else. ;-)

Traffic conditions and short trips are the big determinants of fuel economy
with any car, and it really shows up with hybrids. 1 mile trips are a killer
of fuel economy with anything on the market today except electric cars.
Conventional cars drink gas with mild traffic congestion while the Prius
(dunno about the HCH) thrives on it. The Prius suffers in heavy congestion;
if you are averaging less than 20 mph you can expect the climate control to
take a larger part of your fuel budget, whether heating or cooling.

Mike

 

Russell Lombardo wrote:

> Thanks for the comments. We may just save some money and purchase a regular
> Civic. I think the mileage is mid-30s on that one.
>
> Thanks again,
>
> - Russ in Santa Barbara

I'm looking at my son's fuel logs, for his '06 Civic Coupe EX Auto/trans. The
car is averaging 21 to 23 in town (L.A.) and 31 highway (road trip all highway
driving.) Those are "real world numbers." The car now has 2k miles on the
clock.

F.E. is what it is.

Here's what Honda has to say about Fuel Economy:

Honda's Tech Line fields many questions on fuel economy, including why some
vehicles don't get the fuel mileage estimates shown on the fuel economy label
(part of the Monroney label that's on every new car and truck).

Question: Why can't I get the City and Highway mpg estimates shown on the label?

Answer: The mileage estimates on the label reflect the average mpg attained by
similar vehicles in a model line under controlled laboratory conditions and are
not the result of an actual road test. And remember, as stated on the fuel
economy label: "Actual mileage will vary with options, driving conditions,
driving habits, and vehicle's condition."

Question: Just how are the EPA mileage estimates made anyway?

Answer: Test vehicles are run by professional drivers on a treadmill-like
device that easures exhaust emissions and fuel usage. During the test, the
vehicle's headlights, A/C, heater, audio unit, and all accessories are turned
off. Upshifts on M/T vehicles are typically made at 15 mph (1st to 2nd gear), 28
mph
(2nd to 3rd gear), 41 mph (3rd to 4th gear), and 52 mph (4th to 5th gear). The
City portion of the test simulates a 7.5 mile stop-and-go trip with an average
speed of 20 mph. The trip takes 23 minutes, has 18 stops, and keeps the engine
idling about 18 percent of the time to simulate rush hour traffic delays.
The Highway portion of the test simulates a 10-mile drive with speeds averaging
48 mph. It's
run from a hot start in a mix of rural and interstate driving conditions. There
are no stops, and there's not much idling time. When both test results are
known, the City mpg is lowered by 10 percent, and the
Highway mpg is lowered by 22 percent; this makes the results closer to real
worldls fuel consumption.

Question: How do I calculate mpg?

Answer: You divide the miles driven by the number of gallons of fuel that you
used.

Question: How can I increase my vehicle's mpg?

Answer: To increase your vehicle's mpg, do this:
.. As often as possible, accelerate slowly and smoothly, keep your engine speed
below 3,000
rpm, and lower your road speed.
.. Keep your tires inflated to the specs listed on the doorjamb sticker.
.. Keep your vehicle in top condition by following the maintainance schedule
listed in your owner's manual and by using the recommended engine oil.

Question: Where can I get more info on fuel economy?

Answer: You can get a free copy of the Model Year 2001 Fuel Economy Guide by
any of these
means:
Mail: National Alternative Fuels Hotline
9300 Lee Highway
Fairfax, VA 22031-1207
Phone: 800-423-1363
Internet: www.fueleconomy.gov





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No Lawsuit Ever Fixed A Moron...

 

Russell Lombardo wrote:

> Thanks for the comments. We may just save some money and purchase a regular
> Civic. I think the mileage is mid-30s on that one.
>
> Thanks again,
>
> - Russ in Santa Barbara

I'm looking at my son's fuel logs, for his '06 Civic Coupe EX Auto/trans. The
car is averaging 21 to 23 in town (L.A.) and 31 highway (road trip all highway
driving.) Those are "real world numbers." The car now has 2k miles on the
clock.

F.E. is what it is.

Here's what Honda has to say about Fuel Economy:

Honda's Tech Line fields many questions on fuel economy, including why some
vehicles don't get the fuel mileage estimates shown on the fuel economy label
(part of the Monroney label that's on every new car and truck).

Question: Why can't I get the City and Highway mpg estimates shown on the label?

Answer: The mileage estimates on the label reflect the average mpg attained by
similar vehicles in a model line under controlled laboratory conditions and are
not the result of an actual road test. And remember, as stated on the fuel
economy label: "Actual mileage will vary with options, driving conditions,
driving habits, and vehicle's condition."

Question: Just how are the EPA mileage estimates made anyway?

Answer: Test vehicles are run by professional drivers on a treadmill-like
device that easures exhaust emissions and fuel usage. During the test, the
vehicle's headlights, A/C, heater, audio unit, and all accessories are turned
off. Upshifts on M/T vehicles are typically made at 15 mph (1st to 2nd gear), 28
mph
(2nd to 3rd gear), 41 mph (3rd to 4th gear), and 52 mph (4th to 5th gear). The
City portion of the test simulates a 7.5 mile stop-and-go trip with an average
speed of 20 mph. The trip takes 23 minutes, has 18 stops, and keeps the engine
idling about 18 percent of the time to simulate rush hour traffic delays.
The Highway portion of the test simulates a 10-mile drive with speeds averaging
48 mph. It's
run from a hot start in a mix of rural and interstate driving conditions. There
are no stops, and there's not much idling time. When both test results are
known, the City mpg is lowered by 10 percent, and the
Highway mpg is lowered by 22 percent; this makes the results closer to real
worldls fuel consumption.

Question: How do I calculate mpg?

Answer: You divide the miles driven by the number of gallons of fuel that you
used.

Question: How can I increase my vehicle's mpg?

Answer: To increase your vehicle's mpg, do this:
.. As often as possible, accelerate slowly and smoothly, keep your engine speed
below 3,000
rpm, and lower your road speed.
.. Keep your tires inflated to the specs listed on the doorjamb sticker.
.. Keep your vehicle in top condition by following the maintainance schedule
listed in your owner's manual and by using the recommended engine oil.

Question: Where can I get more info on fuel economy?

Answer: You can get a free copy of the Model Year 2001 Fuel Economy Guide by
any of these
means:
Mail: National Alternative Fuels Hotline
9300 Lee Highway
Fairfax, VA 22031-1207
Phone: 800-423-1363
Internet: www.fueleconomy.gov





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-----------------------------------------

No Lawsuit Ever Fixed A Moron...

 

Russell Lombardo wrote:

> Thanks for the comments. We may just save some money and purchase a regular
> Civic. I think the mileage is mid-30s on that one.
>
> Thanks again,
>
> - Russ in Santa Barbara

I'm looking at my son's fuel logs, for his '06 Civic Coupe EX Auto/trans. The
car is averaging 21 to 23 in town (L.A.) and 31 highway (road trip all highway
driving.) Those are "real world numbers." The car now has 2k miles on the
clock.

F.E. is what it is.

Here's what Honda has to say about Fuel Economy:

Honda's Tech Line fields many questions on fuel economy, including why some
vehicles don't get the fuel mileage estimates shown on the fuel economy label
(part of the Monroney label that's on every new car and truck).

Question: Why can't I get the City and Highway mpg estimates shown on the label?

Answer: The mileage estimates on the label reflect the average mpg attained by
similar vehicles in a model line under controlled laboratory conditions and are
not the result of an actual road test. And remember, as stated on the fuel
economy label: "Actual mileage will vary with options, driving conditions,
driving habits, and vehicle's condition."

Question: Just how are the EPA mileage estimates made anyway?

Answer: Test vehicles are run by professional drivers on a treadmill-like
device that easures exhaust emissions and fuel usage. During the test, the
vehicle's headlights, A/C, heater, audio unit, and all accessories are turned
off. Upshifts on M/T vehicles are typically made at 15 mph (1st to 2nd gear), 28
mph
(2nd to 3rd gear), 41 mph (3rd to 4th gear), and 52 mph (4th to 5th gear). The
City portion of the test simulates a 7.5 mile stop-and-go trip with an average
speed of 20 mph. The trip takes 23 minutes, has 18 stops, and keeps the engine
idling about 18 percent of the time to simulate rush hour traffic delays.
The Highway portion of the test simulates a 10-mile drive with speeds averaging
48 mph. It's
run from a hot start in a mix of rural and interstate driving conditions. There
are no stops, and there's not much idling time. When both test results are
known, the City mpg is lowered by 10 percent, and the
Highway mpg is lowered by 22 percent; this makes the results closer to real
worldls fuel consumption.

Question: How do I calculate mpg?

Answer: You divide the miles driven by the number of gallons of fuel that you
used.

Question: How can I increase my vehicle's mpg?

Answer: To increase your vehicle's mpg, do this:
.. As often as possible, accelerate slowly and smoothly, keep your engine speed
below 3,000
rpm, and lower your road speed.
.. Keep your tires inflated to the specs listed on the doorjamb sticker.
.. Keep your vehicle in top condition by following the maintainance schedule
listed in your owner's manual and by using the recommended engine oil.

Question: Where can I get more info on fuel economy?

Answer: You can get a free copy of the Model Year 2001 Fuel Economy Guide by
any of these
means:
Mail: National Alternative Fuels Hotline
9300 Lee Highway
Fairfax, VA 22031-1207
Phone: 800-423-1363
Internet: www.fueleconomy.gov





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No Lawsuit Ever Fixed A Moron...

 

Russell Lombardo wrote:

> Thanks for the comments. We may just save some money and purchase a regular
> Civic. I think the mileage is mid-30s on that one.
>
> Thanks again,
>
> - Russ in Santa Barbara

I'm looking at my son's fuel logs, for his '06 Civic Coupe EX Auto/trans. The
car is averaging 21 to 23 in town (L.A.) and 31 highway (road trip all highway
driving.) Those are "real world numbers." The car now has 2k miles on the
clock.

F.E. is what it is.

Here's what Honda has to say about Fuel Economy:

Honda's Tech Line fields many questions on fuel economy, including why some
vehicles don't get the fuel mileage estimates shown on the fuel economy label
(part of the Monroney label that's on every new car and truck).

Question: Why can't I get the City and Highway mpg estimates shown on the label?

Answer: The mileage estimates on the label reflect the average mpg attained by
similar vehicles in a model line under controlled laboratory conditions and are
not the result of an actual road test. And remember, as stated on the fuel
economy label: "Actual mileage will vary with options, driving conditions,
driving habits, and vehicle's condition."

Question: Just how are the EPA mileage estimates made anyway?

Answer: Test vehicles are run by professional drivers on a treadmill-like
device that easures exhaust emissions and fuel usage. During the test, the
vehicle's headlights, A/C, heater, audio unit, and all accessories are turned
off. Upshifts on M/T vehicles are typically made at 15 mph (1st to 2nd gear), 28
mph
(2nd to 3rd gear), 41 mph (3rd to 4th gear), and 52 mph (4th to 5th gear). The
City portion of the test simulates a 7.5 mile stop-and-go trip with an average
speed of 20 mph. The trip takes 23 minutes, has 18 stops, and keeps the engine
idling about 18 percent of the time to simulate rush hour traffic delays.
The Highway portion of the test simulates a 10-mile drive with speeds averaging
48 mph. It's
run from a hot start in a mix of rural and interstate driving conditions. There
are no stops, and there's not much idling time. When both test results are
known, the City mpg is lowered by 10 percent, and the
Highway mpg is lowered by 22 percent; this makes the results closer to real
worldls fuel consumption.

Question: How do I calculate mpg?

Answer: You divide the miles driven by the number of gallons of fuel that you
used.

Question: How can I increase my vehicle's mpg?

Answer: To increase your vehicle's mpg, do this:
.. As often as possible, accelerate slowly and smoothly, keep your engine speed
below 3,000
rpm, and lower your road speed.
.. Keep your tires inflated to the specs listed on the doorjamb sticker.
.. Keep your vehicle in top condition by following the maintainance schedule
listed in your owner's manual and by using the recommended engine oil.

Question: Where can I get more info on fuel economy?

Answer: You can get a free copy of the Model Year 2001 Fuel Economy Guide by
any of these
means:
Mail: National Alternative Fuels Hotline
9300 Lee Highway
Fairfax, VA 22031-1207
Phone: 800-423-1363
Internet: www.fueleconomy.gov





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No Lawsuit Ever Fixed A Moron...

 

test




On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 01:15:51 GMT, Richard Edwards
<edwards@nospamtwcny.rr.com> wrote:

>Russell Lombardo <rlombardo@***.net> wrote in
>news:C0F0410C.18E5D%rlombardo@***.net:
>
>> We are considering the new Civic Hybrid and are interested in the the
>> real-world mileage. The numbers seem pretty good, but are they
>> realistic?
>>
>> Any owners input would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> - Russ
>>
>>
>
>46-48 mpg overall in a mixed small-town/rural/interstate highway setting.
>No complaints with that from me.
>
>Richard

 

test




On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 01:15:51 GMT, Richard Edwards
<edwards@nospamtwcny.rr.com> wrote:

>Russell Lombardo <rlombardo@***.net> wrote in
>news:C0F0410C.18E5D%rlombardo@***.net:
>
>> We are considering the new Civic Hybrid and are interested in the the
>> real-world mileage. The numbers seem pretty good, but are they
>> realistic?
>>
>> Any owners input would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> - Russ
>>
>>
>
>46-48 mpg overall in a mixed small-town/rural/interstate highway setting.
>No complaints with that from me.
>
>Richard

 

test




On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 01:15:51 GMT, Richard Edwards
<edwards@nospamtwcny.rr.com> wrote:

>Russell Lombardo <rlombardo@***.net> wrote in
>news:C0F0410C.18E5D%rlombardo@***.net:
>
>> We are considering the new Civic Hybrid and are interested in the the
>> real-world mileage. The numbers seem pretty good, but are they
>> realistic?
>>
>> Any owners input would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> - Russ
>>
>>
>
>46-48 mpg overall in a mixed small-town/rural/interstate highway setting.
>No complaints with that from me.
>
>Richard

 

test




On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 01:15:51 GMT, Richard Edwards
<edwards@nospamtwcny.rr.com> wrote:

>Russell Lombardo <rlombardo@***.net> wrote in
>news:C0F0410C.18E5D%rlombardo@***.net:
>
>> We are considering the new Civic Hybrid and are interested in the the
>> real-world mileage. The numbers seem pretty good, but are they
>> realistic?
>>
>> Any owners input would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> - Russ
>>
>>
>
>46-48 mpg overall in a mixed small-town/rural/interstate highway setting.
>No complaints with that from me.
>
>Richard

 

On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 14:50:30 GMT, TomP wrote:

>
> I'm looking at my son's fuel logs, for his '06 Civic Coupe EX Auto/trans. The
> car is averaging 21 to 23 in town (L.A.) and 31 highway (road trip all highway
> driving.) Those are "real world numbers." The car now has 2k miles on the
> clock.

Drove about 500 Miles (on the highway) this weekend, with an 06 Civic Siand
averaged about 31MPG. I would have expected the EX Auto to do a little
better with the smaller engine and all. Makes me feel better... ;-)

--
Joseph M. LaVigne
jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com
http://www.thelavignefamily.us/MyPipePages/ - 7/31/2006 5:29:17 AM
Tobacconist Brick and Mortar Database: http://bam.tobaccocellar.org/

Every man dies. Not every man really lives.
--William Wallace From the movie Braveheart

 

On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 14:50:30 GMT, TomP wrote:

>
> I'm looking at my son's fuel logs, for his '06 Civic Coupe EX Auto/trans. The
> car is averaging 21 to 23 in town (L.A.) and 31 highway (road trip all highway
> driving.) Those are "real world numbers." The car now has 2k miles on the
> clock.

Drove about 500 Miles (on the highway) this weekend, with an 06 Civic Siand
averaged about 31MPG. I would have expected the EX Auto to do a little
better with the smaller engine and all. Makes me feel better... ;-)

--
Joseph M. LaVigne
jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com
http://www.thelavignefamily.us/MyPipePages/ - 7/31/2006 5:29:17 AM
Tobacconist Brick and Mortar Database: http://bam.tobaccocellar.org/

Every man dies. Not every man really lives.
--William Wallace From the movie Braveheart

 

On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 14:50:30 GMT, TomP wrote:

>
> I'm looking at my son's fuel logs, for his '06 Civic Coupe EX Auto/trans. The
> car is averaging 21 to 23 in town (L.A.) and 31 highway (road trip all highway
> driving.) Those are "real world numbers." The car now has 2k miles on the
> clock.

Drove about 500 Miles (on the highway) this weekend, with an 06 Civic Siand
averaged about 31MPG. I would have expected the EX Auto to do a little
better with the smaller engine and all. Makes me feel better... ;-)

--
Joseph M. LaVigne
jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com
http://www.thelavignefamily.us/MyPipePages/ - 7/31/2006 5:29:17 AM
Tobacconist Brick and Mortar Database: http://bam.tobaccocellar.org/

Every man dies. Not every man really lives.
--William Wallace From the movie Braveheart