"Elmo P. Shagnasty" wrote:
>
> In article <l0anc2t24bq96uqh6g5iefnom5sfpu0cdu@4ax.com>,
> gerald musselman <x33y55z@charter.net> wrote:
>
> > AFter 8,000 miles and 2 years, we get 34 winter, 31 summer in town,
> > (air conditioner), 40 on the road. Extremely disappointed.
>
> What were you expecting?
>
> What did Honda say the mileage would be?
>
> Shoot, I get 24 in town and 28 on the highway in my 94 Lexus with 166K
> miles on the clock.
>
> I don't get those that buy hybrids. I really don't.



....and you can add the "American way" to plunge into debt to but the
latest econobox for "inflated" mileage figures and high payments.

<g>

JT

(No payments, no big worries, and a minimum of dumbed down gadgets..)

 

"Elmo P. Shagnasty" wrote:
>
> In article <l0anc2t24bq96uqh6g5iefnom5sfpu0cdu@4ax.com>,
> gerald musselman <x33y55z@charter.net> wrote:
>
> > AFter 8,000 miles and 2 years, we get 34 winter, 31 summer in town,
> > (air conditioner), 40 on the road. Extremely disappointed.
>
> What were you expecting?
>
> What did Honda say the mileage would be?
>
> Shoot, I get 24 in town and 28 on the highway in my 94 Lexus with 166K
> miles on the clock.
>
> I don't get those that buy hybrids. I really don't.



....and you can add the "American way" to plunge into debt to but the
latest econobox for "inflated" mileage figures and high payments.

<g>

JT

(No payments, no big worries, and a minimum of dumbed down gadgets..)

 

"Elmo P. Shagnasty" wrote:
>
> In article <l0anc2t24bq96uqh6g5iefnom5sfpu0cdu@4ax.com>,
> gerald musselman <x33y55z@charter.net> wrote:
>
> > AFter 8,000 miles and 2 years, we get 34 winter, 31 summer in town,
> > (air conditioner), 40 on the road. Extremely disappointed.
>
> What were you expecting?
>
> What did Honda say the mileage would be?
>
> Shoot, I get 24 in town and 28 on the highway in my 94 Lexus with 166K
> miles on the clock.
>
> I don't get those that buy hybrids. I really don't.



....and you can add the "American way" to plunge into debt to but the
latest econobox for "inflated" mileage figures and high payments.

<g>

JT

(No payments, no big worries, and a minimum of dumbed down gadgets..)

 

"Body Roll" <aglyport@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1154216922.676263.243230@s13g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>
> Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
>>
>> I don't get those that buy hybrids. I really don't.
>
> Don't dispair. Give it some time. They will be where the pogo whips
> are.
>
You are certainly entitled to your opinion, and Honda's current offerings
tend to support your view.

I have been excited about hybrids since I heard of the concept 2 decades
ago. They are the solution to the most vexing engineering problem in
conventional power trains: efficient throttling. After all, using 10 or 20
horsepower from a 200 hp engine on a continuing basis is a farce. My own
prediction is that hybrids will be at least as pervasive in 20 years as fuel
injection is now compared to the much simpler carburetion. The potential
benefits of the change are vastly greater for hybridization than they were
for electronic fuel injection. Honda's IMA theoretically has the capability,
but the degree of hybridization the Civic uses is very small indeed. The
Accord "hybrid" is more ridiculous.

Mike

 

"Body Roll" <aglyport@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1154216922.676263.243230@s13g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>
> Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
>>
>> I don't get those that buy hybrids. I really don't.
>
> Don't dispair. Give it some time. They will be where the pogo whips
> are.
>
You are certainly entitled to your opinion, and Honda's current offerings
tend to support your view.

I have been excited about hybrids since I heard of the concept 2 decades
ago. They are the solution to the most vexing engineering problem in
conventional power trains: efficient throttling. After all, using 10 or 20
horsepower from a 200 hp engine on a continuing basis is a farce. My own
prediction is that hybrids will be at least as pervasive in 20 years as fuel
injection is now compared to the much simpler carburetion. The potential
benefits of the change are vastly greater for hybridization than they were
for electronic fuel injection. Honda's IMA theoretically has the capability,
but the degree of hybridization the Civic uses is very small indeed. The
Accord "hybrid" is more ridiculous.

Mike

 

"Body Roll" <aglyport@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1154216922.676263.243230@s13g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>
> Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
>>
>> I don't get those that buy hybrids. I really don't.
>
> Don't dispair. Give it some time. They will be where the pogo whips
> are.
>
You are certainly entitled to your opinion, and Honda's current offerings
tend to support your view.

I have been excited about hybrids since I heard of the concept 2 decades
ago. They are the solution to the most vexing engineering problem in
conventional power trains: efficient throttling. After all, using 10 or 20
horsepower from a 200 hp engine on a continuing basis is a farce. My own
prediction is that hybrids will be at least as pervasive in 20 years as fuel
injection is now compared to the much simpler carburetion. The potential
benefits of the change are vastly greater for hybridization than they were
for electronic fuel injection. Honda's IMA theoretically has the capability,
but the degree of hybridization the Civic uses is very small indeed. The
Accord "hybrid" is more ridiculous.

Mike

 

"Body Roll" <aglyport@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1154216922.676263.243230@s13g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>
> Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
>>
>> I don't get those that buy hybrids. I really don't.
>
> Don't dispair. Give it some time. They will be where the pogo whips
> are.
>
You are certainly entitled to your opinion, and Honda's current offerings
tend to support your view.

I have been excited about hybrids since I heard of the concept 2 decades
ago. They are the solution to the most vexing engineering problem in
conventional power trains: efficient throttling. After all, using 10 or 20
horsepower from a 200 hp engine on a continuing basis is a farce. My own
prediction is that hybrids will be at least as pervasive in 20 years as fuel
injection is now compared to the much simpler carburetion. The potential
benefits of the change are vastly greater for hybridization than they were
for electronic fuel injection. Honda's IMA theoretically has the capability,
but the degree of hybridization the Civic uses is very small indeed. The
Accord "hybrid" is more ridiculous.

Mike

 

Michael Pardee wrote:
> "Body Roll" <aglyport@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1154216922.676263.243230@s13g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>
>>Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
>>
>>>I don't get those that buy hybrids. I really don't.
>>
>>Don't dispair. Give it some time. They will be where the pogo whips
>>are.
>>
>
> You are certainly entitled to your opinion, and Honda's current offerings
> tend to support your view.
>
> I have been excited about hybrids since I heard of the concept 2 decades
> ago. They are the solution to the most vexing engineering problem in
> conventional power trains: efficient throttling. After all, using 10 or 20
> horsepower from a 200 hp engine on a continuing basis is a farce. My own
> prediction is that hybrids will be at least as pervasive in 20 years as fuel
> injection is now compared to the much simpler carburetion. The potential
> benefits of the change are vastly greater for hybridization than they were
> for electronic fuel injection. Honda's IMA theoretically has the capability,
> but the degree of hybridization the Civic uses is very small indeed. The
> Accord "hybrid" is more ridiculous.

Obviously "your mileage may vary" applies here in more ways than one. I know
people who've seen very little improvement in their fuel enconomy with hybrids
vs. standard cars... I know of others who've seen SIGNIFICANT improvements. In
the end, it will depend a lot of how you drive and what type of driving you do.

Let's not forget though, the other main benefit of hybrids is significantly
lower emissions... which are important to some people who are concerned about
being "green". And of course, are partially to blame for potentially inflated
mileage figures, which in some jurisdictions are based on simply measuring the
emissions produced.

 

Michael Pardee wrote:
> "Body Roll" <aglyport@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1154216922.676263.243230@s13g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>
>>Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
>>
>>>I don't get those that buy hybrids. I really don't.
>>
>>Don't dispair. Give it some time. They will be where the pogo whips
>>are.
>>
>
> You are certainly entitled to your opinion, and Honda's current offerings
> tend to support your view.
>
> I have been excited about hybrids since I heard of the concept 2 decades
> ago. They are the solution to the most vexing engineering problem in
> conventional power trains: efficient throttling. After all, using 10 or 20
> horsepower from a 200 hp engine on a continuing basis is a farce. My own
> prediction is that hybrids will be at least as pervasive in 20 years as fuel
> injection is now compared to the much simpler carburetion. The potential
> benefits of the change are vastly greater for hybridization than they were
> for electronic fuel injection. Honda's IMA theoretically has the capability,
> but the degree of hybridization the Civic uses is very small indeed. The
> Accord "hybrid" is more ridiculous.

Obviously "your mileage may vary" applies here in more ways than one. I know
people who've seen very little improvement in their fuel enconomy with hybrids
vs. standard cars... I know of others who've seen SIGNIFICANT improvements. In
the end, it will depend a lot of how you drive and what type of driving you do.

Let's not forget though, the other main benefit of hybrids is significantly
lower emissions... which are important to some people who are concerned about
being "green". And of course, are partially to blame for potentially inflated
mileage figures, which in some jurisdictions are based on simply measuring the
emissions produced.

 

Michael Pardee wrote:
> "Body Roll" <aglyport@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1154216922.676263.243230@s13g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>
>>Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
>>
>>>I don't get those that buy hybrids. I really don't.
>>
>>Don't dispair. Give it some time. They will be where the pogo whips
>>are.
>>
>
> You are certainly entitled to your opinion, and Honda's current offerings
> tend to support your view.
>
> I have been excited about hybrids since I heard of the concept 2 decades
> ago. They are the solution to the most vexing engineering problem in
> conventional power trains: efficient throttling. After all, using 10 or 20
> horsepower from a 200 hp engine on a continuing basis is a farce. My own
> prediction is that hybrids will be at least as pervasive in 20 years as fuel
> injection is now compared to the much simpler carburetion. The potential
> benefits of the change are vastly greater for hybridization than they were
> for electronic fuel injection. Honda's IMA theoretically has the capability,
> but the degree of hybridization the Civic uses is very small indeed. The
> Accord "hybrid" is more ridiculous.

Obviously "your mileage may vary" applies here in more ways than one. I know
people who've seen very little improvement in their fuel enconomy with hybrids
vs. standard cars... I know of others who've seen SIGNIFICANT improvements. In
the end, it will depend a lot of how you drive and what type of driving you do.

Let's not forget though, the other main benefit of hybrids is significantly
lower emissions... which are important to some people who are concerned about
being "green". And of course, are partially to blame for potentially inflated
mileage figures, which in some jurisdictions are based on simply measuring the
emissions produced.

 

Michael Pardee wrote:
> "Body Roll" <aglyport@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1154216922.676263.243230@s13g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>
>>Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
>>
>>>I don't get those that buy hybrids. I really don't.
>>
>>Don't dispair. Give it some time. They will be where the pogo whips
>>are.
>>
>
> You are certainly entitled to your opinion, and Honda's current offerings
> tend to support your view.
>
> I have been excited about hybrids since I heard of the concept 2 decades
> ago. They are the solution to the most vexing engineering problem in
> conventional power trains: efficient throttling. After all, using 10 or 20
> horsepower from a 200 hp engine on a continuing basis is a farce. My own
> prediction is that hybrids will be at least as pervasive in 20 years as fuel
> injection is now compared to the much simpler carburetion. The potential
> benefits of the change are vastly greater for hybridization than they were
> for electronic fuel injection. Honda's IMA theoretically has the capability,
> but the degree of hybridization the Civic uses is very small indeed. The
> Accord "hybrid" is more ridiculous.

Obviously "your mileage may vary" applies here in more ways than one. I know
people who've seen very little improvement in their fuel enconomy with hybrids
vs. standard cars... I know of others who've seen SIGNIFICANT improvements. In
the end, it will depend a lot of how you drive and what type of driving you do.

Let's not forget though, the other main benefit of hybrids is significantly
lower emissions... which are important to some people who are concerned about
being "green". And of course, are partially to blame for potentially inflated
mileage figures, which in some jurisdictions are based on simply measuring the
emissions produced.

 

In article <o%_yg.273383$iF6.132075@pd7tw2no>,
Matt Ion <soundy@moltenimage.com> wrote:

> In
> the end, it will depend a lot of how you drive and what type of driving you
> do.

You mean like the Prius idiots I follow who are apparently so busy
driving their video game and watching the fancy power screen that they
don't realize that it's rush hour outside and they're impeding hordes of
traffic as they drive very carefully to make the video game screen go
all green?

 

In article <o%_yg.273383$iF6.132075@pd7tw2no>,
Matt Ion <soundy@moltenimage.com> wrote:

> In
> the end, it will depend a lot of how you drive and what type of driving you
> do.

You mean like the Prius idiots I follow who are apparently so busy
driving their video game and watching the fancy power screen that they
don't realize that it's rush hour outside and they're impeding hordes of
traffic as they drive very carefully to make the video game screen go
all green?

 

In article <o%_yg.273383$iF6.132075@pd7tw2no>,
Matt Ion <soundy@moltenimage.com> wrote:

> In
> the end, it will depend a lot of how you drive and what type of driving you
> do.

You mean like the Prius idiots I follow who are apparently so busy
driving their video game and watching the fancy power screen that they
don't realize that it's rush hour outside and they're impeding hordes of
traffic as they drive very carefully to make the video game screen go
all green?

 

In article <o%_yg.273383$iF6.132075@pd7tw2no>,
Matt Ion <soundy@moltenimage.com> wrote:

> In
> the end, it will depend a lot of how you drive and what type of driving you
> do.

You mean like the Prius idiots I follow who are apparently so busy
driving their video game and watching the fancy power screen that they
don't realize that it's rush hour outside and they're impeding hordes of
traffic as they drive very carefully to make the video game screen go
all green?