is it true the civic will get a diesel in 2010?

 

On Wed, 3 Sep 2008 00:54:15 -0700, bootsie@webtv.net (Timothy
Stoughton) wrote:

>is it true the civic will get a diesel in 2010?

There already is a Honda Civic Diesel, just not available in the USA
(yet).
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On 3 Sep, 08:54, boot...@webtv.net (Timothy Stoughton) wrote:
> is it true the civic will get a diesel in 2010?

http://www.honda.co.uk/car/ and choose the Civic and look at the 2.2
CDTI

 

Come on! Americans already use so little oil, why bother?

Evan Platt wrote:

>On Wed, 3 Sep 2008 00:54:15 -0700, bootsie@webtv.net (Timothy
>Stoughton) wrote:
>
>
>
>>is it true the civic will get a diesel in 2010?
>>
>>
>
>There already is a Honda Civic Diesel, just not available in the USA
>(yet).
>
>

 

"ecarecar" <ecarecar@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Come on! Americans already use so little oil, why bother?

Diesel fuel is more expensive in USA from the gasoline. It will be very hard
to sell diesel car in USA especially in the northern states with strong
winters.

 

Pszemol wrote:
> "ecarecar" <ecarecar@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:w4ydnVz9F9pUnCLVnZ2dnUVZ_gCdnZ2d@centurytel.n et...
>> Come on! Americans already use so little oil, why bother?
>
> Diesel fuel is more expensive in USA from the gasoline. It will be very
> hard to sell diesel car in USA especially in the northern states with
> strong winters.

what has winter got to do with it? don't you have diesel trucks and
diesel trains and diesel generators up north?

 

On Thu, 4 Sep 2008 15:11:05 -0500, "Pszemol" <Pszemol@PolBox.com>
wrote:

>"ecarecar" <ecarecar@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:w4ydnVz9F9pUnCLVnZ2dnUVZ_gCdnZ2d@centurytel. net...
>> Come on! Americans already use so little oil, why bother?
>
>Diesel fuel is more expensive in USA from the gasoline. It will be very hard
>to sell diesel car in USA especially in the northern states with strong
>winters.
Diesel is more expensive but the mileage from diesel autos is about
30% greater than a similar gasolene fuel vehicle. The problem is
diesel engines cost more than gas engines. In Europe it is generally
considered that over 20,000 miles per year a diesel auto becomes
cheaper to run and own than a gas power vehicle.

 

"Pszemol" <Pszemol@PolBox.com> wrote in
news:g9otrj.2o0.0@poczta.onet.pl:

> "ecarecar" <ecarecar@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:w4ydnVz9F9pUnCLVnZ2dnUVZ_gCdnZ2d@centurytel.n et...
>> Come on! Americans already use so little oil, why bother?
>
> Diesel fuel is more expensive in USA from the gasoline.



North America does not aggressively favor diesel with lower taxes the way
much of Europe does.




> It will be
> very hard to sell diesel car in USA




Don't overlook the "green" factor. Hybrids are so expensive you'll never
recover the extra purchase price in fuel savings, but the Prius is awfully
popular on account of its "green" image.

I can see the Prius demographic also flocking to diesels as the new
"green" image cars. Such people often have a strong desire to wear their
"greenness" as a fashion statement, and I suspect the new diesels would be
marketed as such.



> especially in the northern states
> with strong winters.
>


Diesels are much better in cold weather than they used to be. I believe the
only two makers that sell diesel cars in Canada are Smart and Volkswagen.
Nobody seems to have any trouble getting them started in the winter up
here.


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"Tegger" <invalid@invalid.inv> wrote in message
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>> Diesel fuel is more expensive in USA from the gasoline.
>
>
>
> North America does not aggressively favor diesel with lower taxes the way
> much of Europe does.

Regardless of the reason for the fact, the fact is that it is more
expensive.


>> It will be
>> very hard to sell diesel car in USA
>
>
>
>
> Don't overlook the "green" factor. Hybrids are so expensive you'll never
> recover the extra purchase price in fuel savings, but the Prius is awfully
> popular on account of its "green" image.
>
> I can see the Prius demographic also flocking to diesels as the new
> "green" image cars. Such people often have a strong desire to wear their
> "greenness" as a fashion statement, and I suspect the new diesels would be
> marketed as such.


I do not see how diesel is any greener than a regular gasoline...
Do they really have lower emissions than gasoline engines? I doubt it...


>> especially in the northern states
>> with strong winters.
>>
>
>
> Diesels are much better in cold weather than they used to be.


Maybe they are, but anybody owning in the past an older diesel with some of
the engine compression lost will have very bad memories :-)


> I believe the
> only two makers that sell diesel cars in Canada are Smart and Volkswagen.
> Nobody seems to have any trouble getting them started in the winter up
> here.


I am not that surprised about Canada... They solved the winter car problems
long time ago. Engine block heater is a standard equipment in Canadian cars.
I visited Calgary some time ago and I saw almost every public parking lot
had 120VAC sockets to plug your car in, even when parked for an hour or two
for shopping in front of a mall. In USA, situation is much different, at
least in Chicago.

I consider installing such a device in my 2004 accord coupe. I live in
Chicago suburbs and winter can be harsh enough for this device to be useful
if your car is parked outside overnight. Especially that original honda
parts cost below $50 and some other brands even less than that. The only
problem is that I could use it only in front of my building - 120VAC sockets
are not that popular in Chicago, unfortunatelly.

Here are installing instructions for V6
http://www.handa-accessories.com/acc...LOCKHEATER.pdf
I saw somewhere similar paper for 4-cyl version.

 

"jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message
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> Pszemol wrote:
>> "ecarecar" <ecarecar@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:w4ydnVz9F9pUnCLVnZ2dnUVZ_gCdnZ2d@centurytel.n et...
>>> Come on! Americans already use so little oil, why bother?
>>
>> Diesel fuel is more expensive in USA from the gasoline. It will be very
>> hard to sell diesel car in USA especially in the northern states with
>> strong winters.
>
> what has winter got to do with it? don't you have diesel trucks and
> diesel trains and diesel generators up north?

I am guessing you have never own a small diesel engine in a passenger car,
so you have no idea how much pain it is during freezing weather...

 

"Edward W. Thompson" <thomeduk1@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
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>
> On Thu, 4 Sep 2008 15:11:05 -0500, "Pszemol" <Pszemol@PolBox.com>
> wrote:
>
>>"ecarecar" <ecarecar@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>news:w4ydnVz9F9pUnCLVnZ2dnUVZ_gCdnZ2d@centurytel .net...
>>> Come on! Americans already use so little oil, why bother?
>>
>>Diesel fuel is more expensive in USA from the gasoline. It will be very
>>hard
>>to sell diesel car in USA especially in the northern states with strong
>>winters.
> Diesel is more expensive but the mileage from diesel autos is about
> 30% greater than a similar gasolene fuel vehicle.

If this is true, than it would make sense even with higher price per gallon
:-)

> The problem is
> diesel engines cost more than gas engines. In Europe it is generally
> considered that over 20,000 miles per year a diesel auto becomes
> cheaper to run and own than a gas power vehicle.

Does it take into the consideration lower price of diesel in Europe compared
to petrol?

 

Pszemol wrote:
>
> I am guessing you have never own a small diesel engine in a passenger
> car, so you have no idea how much pain it is during freezing weather...

I have owned diesel Volkswagens in the past. If you allow the engines
to cycle before attempting to start them, it doesn't matter what the
temperature is outside.

 

"Pszemol" <Pszemol@PolBox.com> wrote in message
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> "Edward W. Thompson" <thomeduk1@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
> news:ZImdneb7WrX7VV3VnZ2dnUVZ8sbinZ2d@bt.com...
>>
>> On Thu, 4 Sep 2008 15:11:05 -0500, "Pszemol" <Pszemol@PolBox.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>"ecarecar" <ecarecar@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>news:w4ydnVz9F9pUnCLVnZ2dnUVZ_gCdnZ2d@centuryte l.net...
>>>> Come on! Americans already use so little oil, why bother?
>>>
>>>Diesel fuel is more expensive in USA from the gasoline. It will be very
>>>hard
>>>to sell diesel car in USA especially in the northern states with strong
>>>winters.
>> Diesel is more expensive but the mileage from diesel autos is about
>> 30% greater than a similar gasolene fuel vehicle.
>
> If this is true, than it would make sense even with higher price per
> gallon :-)

I wanted to check if this 30% is true or not, so I visited Volkswagen UK
website:
http://www.volkswagen.co.uk/#/new/pa...l-consumption/

I have to say their website is very nice and easy to use. Very informative
comparison!
Amazing number of many different engines to choose from, compared to the US
market!

 

Pszemol wrote:
> "jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message
> news:RuadnVHep8H8Pl3VnZ2dnUVZ_o_inZ2d@speakeasy.ne t...
>> Pszemol wrote:
>>> "ecarecar" <ecarecar@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:w4ydnVz9F9pUnCLVnZ2dnUVZ_gCdnZ2d@centurytel.n et...
>>>> Come on! Americans already use so little oil, why bother?
>>>
>>> Diesel fuel is more expensive in USA from the gasoline. It will be
>>> very hard to sell diesel car in USA especially in the northern states
>>> with strong winters.
>>
>> what has winter got to do with it? don't you have diesel trucks and
>> diesel trains and diesel generators up north?
>
> I am guessing you have never own a small diesel engine in a passenger
> car, so you have no idea how much pain it is during freezing weather...


actually, i have and it's not. if it's indirect injection, either the
glow plugs are eroded or they're not getting current. if it's modern
common rail direct injection, you simply don't have that problem.

again, diesels are infrastructure and they operate just fine. there is
a waxing issue at very low temperatures, but that's solved at the pump
with different mixes.

 

Pszemol wrote:
> "Tegger" <invalid@invalid.inv> wrote in message
> news:Xns9B1045B99169Btegger@208.90.168.18...
>>> Diesel fuel is more expensive in USA from the gasoline.
>>
>>
>>
>> North America does not aggressively favor diesel with lower taxes the way
>> much of Europe does.
>
> Regardless of the reason for the fact, the fact is that it is more
> expensive.

not per mile.



>
>
>>> It will be
>>> very hard to sell diesel car in USA
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Don't overlook the "green" factor. Hybrids are so expensive you'll never
>> recover the extra purchase price in fuel savings, but the Prius is
>> awfully
>> popular on account of its "green" image.
>>
>> I can see the Prius demographic also flocking to diesels as the new
>> "green" image cars. Such people often have a strong desire to wear their
>> "greenness" as a fashion statement, and I suspect the new diesels
>> would be
>> marketed as such.
>
>
> I do not see how diesel is any greener than a regular gasoline...
> Do they really have lower emissions than gasoline engines? I doubt it...

you "doubt" it??? why don't you bother to look this stuff up? you have
a computer and an internet connection!



>
>
>>> especially in the northern states
>>> with strong winters.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Diesels are much better in cold weather than they used to be.
>
>
> Maybe they are, but anybody owning in the past an older diesel with
> some of the engine compression lost will have very bad memories :-)

anybody with /any/ poorly maintained vehicle will have bad memories.




>
>
>> I believe the
>> only two makers that sell diesel cars in Canada are Smart and Volkswagen.
>> Nobody seems to have any trouble getting them started in the winter up
>> here.
>
>
> I am not that surprised about Canada... They solved the winter car
> problems long time ago. Engine block heater is a standard equipment in
> Canadian cars. I visited Calgary some time ago and I saw almost every
> public parking lot had 120VAC sockets to plug your car in, even when
> parked for an hour or two for shopping in front of a mall. In USA,
> situation is much different, at least in Chicago.
>
> I consider installing such a device in my 2004 accord coupe. I live in
> Chicago suburbs and winter can be harsh enough for this device to be
> useful if your car is parked outside overnight. Especially that original
> honda parts cost below $50 and some other brands even less than that.
> The only problem is that I could use it only in front of my building -
> 120VAC sockets are not that popular in Chicago, unfortunatelly.
>
> Here are installing instructions for V6
> http://www.handa-accessories.com/acc...LOCKHEATER.pdf
> I saw somewhere similar paper for 4-cyl version.

and if you use synthetic oil, you don't even need that.