kitty666r <none@000.com> wrote in news:974096_
6c0302f56ee1978dc91b46fdabdfaa78@autoboardz.com:

> hey,
> my civic has a " once in a blue moon " starting problem,
> it doesnt matter what the weather is like,
> it turns over fine but doesnt start,
> the ecu light comes on=had it replaced



You replaced the computer? That wasn't bright.



> it still does it,
> its got;
>
> new plugs
> new leads
> new dizzy
> new fuel filter
> new fuel injectors
> the fuel relay has been bypassed so that cancels that out



Can't do that in an EFI vehicle. you're misunderstanding whatever they
did.



>
> took it to honda



No, you took it to an indepenent dealer that owns a Honda franchise,



> thay said the ecu codes were coming up as the
> injector failing, got a new one,



A new "one"? How many injectors tdoes this car have? You'd better give
the year and model here.



> then took it back
> they said it was the ecu, had it changed..



That wasn't bright at all. Pretty stupid, in fact.



> now they dont want to know,
> it tends not to start when i need it the most,
> specially in a petrol station! when everyones waiting!



Sounds like that "fuel relay" that they allegedly bypassed. The solder's
cracked. You'll get the no-start plus the injector error if the solder
cracks just the right way.



>
> ive had so many mechanics look at it and theyve told me to sell it, i
> dont want to cause ive got it how i like it ( boyed up )
>
> honda say its got to be something to do with the wiring loom whitch is
> going to cost £60 an hour for 2 days work.... TO GET IT OUT!,
> then a further 2 days to put it back in, i dont know whether they are
> taking the **** or not?
> it would be nice to speak to someone who isnt going to fob me off for
> once and who honestly wants to help my sorry ***!
>


See here:
http://www.tegger.com/hondafaq/start...html#mainrelay


--
Tegger

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

 

kitty666r <none@000.com> wrote in news:974096_
6c0302f56ee1978dc91b46fdabdfaa78@autoboardz.com:

> hey,
> my civic has a " once in a blue moon " starting problem,
> it doesnt matter what the weather is like,
> it turns over fine but doesnt start,
> the ecu light comes on=had it replaced



You replaced the computer? That wasn't bright.



> it still does it,
> its got;
>
> new plugs
> new leads
> new dizzy
> new fuel filter
> new fuel injectors
> the fuel relay has been bypassed so that cancels that out



Can't do that in an EFI vehicle. you're misunderstanding whatever they
did.



>
> took it to honda



No, you took it to an indepenent dealer that owns a Honda franchise,



> thay said the ecu codes were coming up as the
> injector failing, got a new one,



A new "one"? How many injectors tdoes this car have? You'd better give
the year and model here.



> then took it back
> they said it was the ecu, had it changed..



That wasn't bright at all. Pretty stupid, in fact.



> now they dont want to know,
> it tends not to start when i need it the most,
> specially in a petrol station! when everyones waiting!



Sounds like that "fuel relay" that they allegedly bypassed. The solder's
cracked. You'll get the no-start plus the injector error if the solder
cracks just the right way.



>
> ive had so many mechanics look at it and theyve told me to sell it, i
> dont want to cause ive got it how i like it ( boyed up )
>
> honda say its got to be something to do with the wiring loom whitch is
> going to cost £60 an hour for 2 days work.... TO GET IT OUT!,
> then a further 2 days to put it back in, i dont know whether they are
> taking the **** or not?
> it would be nice to speak to someone who isnt going to fob me off for
> once and who honestly wants to help my sorry ***!
>


See here:
http://www.tegger.com/hondafaq/start...html#mainrelay


--
Tegger

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

 

Jim Yanik <jyanik@abuse.gov> wrote in
news:Xns98D1EA10D23F1jyanikkuanet@64.209.0.87:

> kitty666r <none@000.com> wrote in
> news:974096_6c0302f56ee1978dc91b46fdabdfaa78@autob oardz.com:
>
>> hey,
>> my civic has a " once in a blue moon " starting problem,
>> it doesnt matter what the weather is like,
>> it turns over fine but doesnt start,
>> the ecu light comes on=had it replaced it still does it,
>> its got;
>>
>> new plugs
>> new leads
>> new dizzy
>
> "dizzy"=distributor?



British term for the distributor.



> was the igniter replaced also?
> Was the distributor cap and rotor replaced? Ignition coil?
>
>
>> new fuel filter
>> new fuel injectors
>> the fuel relay has been bypassed so that cancels that out
>
> why was the relay bypassed?



You CAN'T "bypass" the main relay in an EFI car. The ECU will complain
loudly if you do that.


--
Tegger

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

 

Jim Yanik <jyanik@abuse.gov> wrote in
news:Xns98D1EA10D23F1jyanikkuanet@64.209.0.87:

> kitty666r <none@000.com> wrote in
> news:974096_6c0302f56ee1978dc91b46fdabdfaa78@autob oardz.com:
>
>> hey,
>> my civic has a " once in a blue moon " starting problem,
>> it doesnt matter what the weather is like,
>> it turns over fine but doesnt start,
>> the ecu light comes on=had it replaced it still does it,
>> its got;
>>
>> new plugs
>> new leads
>> new dizzy
>
> "dizzy"=distributor?



British term for the distributor.



> was the igniter replaced also?
> Was the distributor cap and rotor replaced? Ignition coil?
>
>
>> new fuel filter
>> new fuel injectors
>> the fuel relay has been bypassed so that cancels that out
>
> why was the relay bypassed?



You CAN'T "bypass" the main relay in an EFI car. The ECU will complain
loudly if you do that.


--
Tegger

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

 

Jim Yanik <jyanik@abuse.gov> wrote in
news:Xns98D1EA10D23F1jyanikkuanet@64.209.0.87:

> kitty666r <none@000.com> wrote in
> news:974096_6c0302f56ee1978dc91b46fdabdfaa78@autob oardz.com:
>
>> hey,
>> my civic has a " once in a blue moon " starting problem,
>> it doesnt matter what the weather is like,
>> it turns over fine but doesnt start,
>> the ecu light comes on=had it replaced it still does it,
>> its got;
>>
>> new plugs
>> new leads
>> new dizzy
>
> "dizzy"=distributor?



British term for the distributor.



> was the igniter replaced also?
> Was the distributor cap and rotor replaced? Ignition coil?
>
>
>> new fuel filter
>> new fuel injectors
>> the fuel relay has been bypassed so that cancels that out
>
> why was the relay bypassed?



You CAN'T "bypass" the main relay in an EFI car. The ECU will complain
loudly if you do that.


--
Tegger

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

 

Jim Yanik <jyanik@abuse.gov> wrote in
news:Xns98D1EA10D23F1jyanikkuanet@64.209.0.87:

> kitty666r <none@000.com> wrote in
> news:974096_6c0302f56ee1978dc91b46fdabdfaa78@autob oardz.com:
>
>> hey,
>> my civic has a " once in a blue moon " starting problem,
>> it doesnt matter what the weather is like,
>> it turns over fine but doesnt start,
>> the ecu light comes on=had it replaced it still does it,
>> its got;
>>
>> new plugs
>> new leads
>> new dizzy
>
> "dizzy"=distributor?



British term for the distributor.



> was the igniter replaced also?
> Was the distributor cap and rotor replaced? Ignition coil?
>
>
>> new fuel filter
>> new fuel injectors
>> the fuel relay has been bypassed so that cancels that out
>
> why was the relay bypassed?



You CAN'T "bypass" the main relay in an EFI car. The ECU will complain
loudly if you do that.


--
Tegger

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

 

"kitty666r" <none@000.com> wrote in message
news:974096_6c0302f56ee1978dc91b46fdabdfaa78@autob oardz.com...
> hey,
> my civic has a " once in a blue moon " starting problem,
> it doesnt matter what the weather is like,
> it turns over fine but doesnt start,
> the ecu light comes on=had it replaced it still does it,
> its got;
>
> new plugs
> new leads
> new dizzy
> new fuel filter
> new fuel injectors
> the fuel relay has been bypassed so that cancels that out
>
> took it to honda thay said the ecu codes were coming up as the
> injector failing, got a new one,
> then took it back
> they said it was the ecu, had it changed.. now they dont want to know,
> it tends not to start when i need it the most,
> specially in a petrol station! when everyones waiting!
>
> ive had so many mechanics look at it and theyve told me to sell it, i
> dont want to cause ive got it how i like it ( boyed up )
>
> honda say its got to be something to do with the wiring loom whitch is
> going to cost £60 an hour for 2 days work.... TO GET IT OUT!,
> then a further 2 days to put it back in, i dont know whether they are
> taking the **** or not?
> it would be nice to speak to someone who isnt going to fob me off for
> once and who honestly wants to help my sorry ***!
>
> let me know
> cheers
> :P kitty
>
> --
>
What really bothers me is that I can't recall anybody who has reported a bad
wiring harness (loom) in Hondas. It seems odd the shop even suggests that.
You are already (as you seem to suspect) way beyond the point of any
troubleshooting being done. Follow TeGGeR's link for the "main relay" -
which is pretty much the first thing we think of when somebody mentions
intermittent start. As TeGGeR says, bypassing it isn't really an option.
Replacing it on general suspicion (as has been done with several more
expensive parts, apparently) is reasonable, since it is a part that can be
expected to give trouble every decade or so... and produce the very symptoms
you describe.

Mike

 

"kitty666r" <none@000.com> wrote in message
news:974096_6c0302f56ee1978dc91b46fdabdfaa78@autob oardz.com...
> hey,
> my civic has a " once in a blue moon " starting problem,
> it doesnt matter what the weather is like,
> it turns over fine but doesnt start,
> the ecu light comes on=had it replaced it still does it,
> its got;
>
> new plugs
> new leads
> new dizzy
> new fuel filter
> new fuel injectors
> the fuel relay has been bypassed so that cancels that out
>
> took it to honda thay said the ecu codes were coming up as the
> injector failing, got a new one,
> then took it back
> they said it was the ecu, had it changed.. now they dont want to know,
> it tends not to start when i need it the most,
> specially in a petrol station! when everyones waiting!
>
> ive had so many mechanics look at it and theyve told me to sell it, i
> dont want to cause ive got it how i like it ( boyed up )
>
> honda say its got to be something to do with the wiring loom whitch is
> going to cost £60 an hour for 2 days work.... TO GET IT OUT!,
> then a further 2 days to put it back in, i dont know whether they are
> taking the **** or not?
> it would be nice to speak to someone who isnt going to fob me off for
> once and who honestly wants to help my sorry ***!
>
> let me know
> cheers
> :P kitty
>
> --
>
What really bothers me is that I can't recall anybody who has reported a bad
wiring harness (loom) in Hondas. It seems odd the shop even suggests that.
You are already (as you seem to suspect) way beyond the point of any
troubleshooting being done. Follow TeGGeR's link for the "main relay" -
which is pretty much the first thing we think of when somebody mentions
intermittent start. As TeGGeR says, bypassing it isn't really an option.
Replacing it on general suspicion (as has been done with several more
expensive parts, apparently) is reasonable, since it is a part that can be
expected to give trouble every decade or so... and produce the very symptoms
you describe.

Mike

 

"kitty666r" <none@000.com> wrote in message
news:974096_6c0302f56ee1978dc91b46fdabdfaa78@autob oardz.com...
> hey,
> my civic has a " once in a blue moon " starting problem,
> it doesnt matter what the weather is like,
> it turns over fine but doesnt start,
> the ecu light comes on=had it replaced it still does it,
> its got;
>
> new plugs
> new leads
> new dizzy
> new fuel filter
> new fuel injectors
> the fuel relay has been bypassed so that cancels that out
>
> took it to honda thay said the ecu codes were coming up as the
> injector failing, got a new one,
> then took it back
> they said it was the ecu, had it changed.. now they dont want to know,
> it tends not to start when i need it the most,
> specially in a petrol station! when everyones waiting!
>
> ive had so many mechanics look at it and theyve told me to sell it, i
> dont want to cause ive got it how i like it ( boyed up )
>
> honda say its got to be something to do with the wiring loom whitch is
> going to cost £60 an hour for 2 days work.... TO GET IT OUT!,
> then a further 2 days to put it back in, i dont know whether they are
> taking the **** or not?
> it would be nice to speak to someone who isnt going to fob me off for
> once and who honestly wants to help my sorry ***!
>
> let me know
> cheers
> :P kitty
>
> --
>
What really bothers me is that I can't recall anybody who has reported a bad
wiring harness (loom) in Hondas. It seems odd the shop even suggests that.
You are already (as you seem to suspect) way beyond the point of any
troubleshooting being done. Follow TeGGeR's link for the "main relay" -
which is pretty much the first thing we think of when somebody mentions
intermittent start. As TeGGeR says, bypassing it isn't really an option.
Replacing it on general suspicion (as has been done with several more
expensive parts, apparently) is reasonable, since it is a part that can be
expected to give trouble every decade or so... and produce the very symptoms
you describe.

Mike

 

"kitty666r" <none@000.com> wrote in message
news:974096_6c0302f56ee1978dc91b46fdabdfaa78@autob oardz.com...
> hey,
> my civic has a " once in a blue moon " starting problem,
> it doesnt matter what the weather is like,
> it turns over fine but doesnt start,
> the ecu light comes on=had it replaced it still does it,
> its got;
>
> new plugs
> new leads
> new dizzy
> new fuel filter
> new fuel injectors
> the fuel relay has been bypassed so that cancels that out
>
> took it to honda thay said the ecu codes were coming up as the
> injector failing, got a new one,
> then took it back
> they said it was the ecu, had it changed.. now they dont want to know,
> it tends not to start when i need it the most,
> specially in a petrol station! when everyones waiting!
>
> ive had so many mechanics look at it and theyve told me to sell it, i
> dont want to cause ive got it how i like it ( boyed up )
>
> honda say its got to be something to do with the wiring loom whitch is
> going to cost £60 an hour for 2 days work.... TO GET IT OUT!,
> then a further 2 days to put it back in, i dont know whether they are
> taking the **** or not?
> it would be nice to speak to someone who isnt going to fob me off for
> once and who honestly wants to help my sorry ***!
>
> let me know
> cheers
> :P kitty
>
> --
>
What really bothers me is that I can't recall anybody who has reported a bad
wiring harness (loom) in Hondas. It seems odd the shop even suggests that.
You are already (as you seem to suspect) way beyond the point of any
troubleshooting being done. Follow TeGGeR's link for the "main relay" -
which is pretty much the first thing we think of when somebody mentions
intermittent start. As TeGGeR says, bypassing it isn't really an option.
Replacing it on general suspicion (as has been done with several more
expensive parts, apparently) is reasonable, since it is a part that can be
expected to give trouble every decade or so... and produce the very symptoms
you describe.

Mike

 

The clue is in the OP ---

> dont want to cause ive got it how i like it ( boyed up )

The dealer and no other legitimate mechanic wants to touch this thing
because it has had wires hacked into for stereo's, alarms, lights, and
to bypass the fuel relay and who knows what else has been bypassed.


Michael Pardee wrote:

>>
> What really bothers me is that I can't recall anybody who has reported a bad
> wiring harness (loom) in Hondas. It seems odd the shop even suggests that.
>
>

 

The clue is in the OP ---

> dont want to cause ive got it how i like it ( boyed up )

The dealer and no other legitimate mechanic wants to touch this thing
because it has had wires hacked into for stereo's, alarms, lights, and
to bypass the fuel relay and who knows what else has been bypassed.


Michael Pardee wrote:

>>
> What really bothers me is that I can't recall anybody who has reported a bad
> wiring harness (loom) in Hondas. It seems odd the shop even suggests that.
>
>

 

The clue is in the OP ---

> dont want to cause ive got it how i like it ( boyed up )

The dealer and no other legitimate mechanic wants to touch this thing
because it has had wires hacked into for stereo's, alarms, lights, and
to bypass the fuel relay and who knows what else has been bypassed.


Michael Pardee wrote:

>>
> What really bothers me is that I can't recall anybody who has reported a bad
> wiring harness (loom) in Hondas. It seems odd the shop even suggests that.
>
>

 

The clue is in the OP ---

> dont want to cause ive got it how i like it ( boyed up )

The dealer and no other legitimate mechanic wants to touch this thing
because it has had wires hacked into for stereo's, alarms, lights, and
to bypass the fuel relay and who knows what else has been bypassed.


Michael Pardee wrote:

>>
> What really bothers me is that I can't recall anybody who has reported a bad
> wiring harness (loom) in Hondas. It seems odd the shop even suggests that.
>
>

 

Tegger <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in
news:Xns98D3C257D8A85tegger@207.14.116.130:

> Jim Yanik <jyanik@abuse.gov> wrote in
> news:Xns98D1EA10D23F1jyanikkuanet@64.209.0.87:
>
>> kitty666r <none@000.com> wrote in
>> news:974096_6c0302f56ee1978dc91b46fdabdfaa78@autob oardz.com:
>>
>>> hey,
>>> my civic has a " once in a blue moon " starting problem,
>>> it doesnt matter what the weather is like,
>>> it turns over fine but doesnt start,
>>> the ecu light comes on=had it replaced it still does it,
>>> its got;
>>>
>>> new plugs
>>> new leads
>>> new dizzy
>>
>> "dizzy"=distributor?
>
>
>
> British term for the distributor.
>
>
>
>> was the igniter replaced also?
>> Was the distributor cap and rotor replaced? Ignition coil?
>>
>>
>>> new fuel filter
>>> new fuel injectors
>>> the fuel relay has been bypassed so that cancels that out
>>
>> why was the relay bypassed?
>
>
>
> You CAN'T "bypass" the main relay in an EFI car. The ECU will complain
> loudly if you do that.
>
>

it would be a dangerous fire hazard,too.
In an accident,the fuel relay would not shut off the pump,and if a gasline
was broken,it would continue pumping gas for any spark to ignite.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net