CarcinogenS?

The only significant carcinogenic pollutant is, AFAIK, particulate carbon.
That is going down rapidly with particulate filters, and I doubt you would
breathe much in unless you are standing really close.

How may of us eat burnt toast and charred steak?

Or lean over a pan of frying bacon? (Get that whiff of nitrosamines!)

DAS
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"Marvin" <physchemNOSPAM@cloud9.net> wrote in message
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[...]
> but deisel engine exhaust, especially the kind you can see, is much richer
> in carcinogens.
[...]

 

"Dori A Schmetterling" <ng@nospam.co.uk> wrote in message
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> CarcinogenS?
>
> The only significant carcinogenic pollutant is, AFAIK, particulate carbon.
> That is going down rapidly with particulate filters, and I doubt you would
> breathe much in unless you are standing really close.
>
> How may of us eat burnt toast and charred steak?

Not me, sweetie
>
> Or lean over a pan of frying bacon? (Get that whiff of nitrosamines!)
>
> DAS

Once in a great while...

Natalie

 

"Dori A Schmetterling" <ng@nospam.co.uk> wrote in message
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> CarcinogenS?
>
> The only significant carcinogenic pollutant is, AFAIK, particulate carbon.
> That is going down rapidly with particulate filters, and I doubt you would
> breathe much in unless you are standing really close.
>
> How may of us eat burnt toast and charred steak?

Not me, sweetie
>
> Or lean over a pan of frying bacon? (Get that whiff of nitrosamines!)
>
> DAS

Once in a great while...

Natalie

 

"Dori A Schmetterling" <ng@nospam.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Yes, I never dated a smoker. Kissing a stale ashtray is not very
> appealing... My wife smokes very little, then mostly not at home and never
> in front of our son.
>
> Did you say you're an ex-smoker...?...

*ahem*

HELL NO :-) Just tried to date one
>
> In fact I enjoy an occasional cigar myself and I am very concerned that our
> (UK) government is going the North American way by trying to impose a
> near-blanket ban on smoking in pubs and restaurants. Luckily there are two
> years for consultation and I hope they will back off. Measures to protect
> workers in smoky establishments are already being taken on a voluntary
> basis and this can be strengthened, perhaps even with legislation.
>
> DAS

cigars stink very badly, IMO, but I do like the smell of cherry tobacco in a
pipe.

See, the big fight here in the U.S. is that smokers want to be able to go out
and have drinks and smoke. The problem is that everyone has to inhale that
crap with them, so they're discouraged about going out. In Arizona(I left
there in June), they now have smoker's bars, where you can smoke all you want
without being stigmatized by we smoking *****. I think that's a good idea -
as everyone present wants to be around other smokers.

Natalie

 

"Dori A Schmetterling" <ng@nospam.co.uk> wrote in message
news:41dd9696$0$16589$cc9e4d1f@news-text.dial.pipex.com...
> Yes, I never dated a smoker. Kissing a stale ashtray is not very
> appealing... My wife smokes very little, then mostly not at home and never
> in front of our son.
>
> Did you say you're an ex-smoker...?...

*ahem*

HELL NO :-) Just tried to date one
>
> In fact I enjoy an occasional cigar myself and I am very concerned that our
> (UK) government is going the North American way by trying to impose a
> near-blanket ban on smoking in pubs and restaurants. Luckily there are two
> years for consultation and I hope they will back off. Measures to protect
> workers in smoky establishments are already being taken on a voluntary
> basis and this can be strengthened, perhaps even with legislation.
>
> DAS

cigars stink very badly, IMO, but I do like the smell of cherry tobacco in a
pipe.

See, the big fight here in the U.S. is that smokers want to be able to go out
and have drinks and smoke. The problem is that everyone has to inhale that
crap with them, so they're discouraged about going out. In Arizona(I left
there in June), they now have smoker's bars, where you can smoke all you want
without being stigmatized by we smoking *****. I think that's a good idea -
as everyone present wants to be around other smokers.

Natalie

 

"Dori A Schmetterling" <ng@nospam.co.uk> wrote in message
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>I stopped when I was thirteen... :-)
>
> DAS

LOL that's funny, cuz when *I* was 13, I took one whiff, barfed my guts out
and never tried it again. Thank God!

Natlaie

>
> "Tim McNamara" <timmcn@bitstream.net> wrote in message
> news:m2acrmbc3j.fsf@Stella-Blue.local...
> [...]
>>
>> The only reliable way to stop smoking is not to start.
> [...]
>

 

"Dori A Schmetterling" <ng@nospam.co.uk> wrote in message
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>I stopped when I was thirteen... :-)
>
> DAS

LOL that's funny, cuz when *I* was 13, I took one whiff, barfed my guts out
and never tried it again. Thank God!

Natlaie

>
> "Tim McNamara" <timmcn@bitstream.net> wrote in message
> news:m2acrmbc3j.fsf@Stella-Blue.local...
> [...]
>>
>> The only reliable way to stop smoking is not to start.
> [...]
>

 

Huw wrote:
> "Cosmin N." <no@email.com> wrote in message
> news:a8ednSr7ioherUHcRVn-oQ@rogers.com...
>> Let me light up a cigarette before I read the article. :P
>>
>> The sad part is that smokers (myself included) KNOW that cigarettes
>> have very dire consequences on ones health. Creating yet another
>> study proving that won't help. Educating adolescents is the only
>> solution to smoking, because they are the most vulnerable to peer
>> pressure and other influences.
>
> I think you miss the point, which is that diesel exhaust is so much
> relatively cleaner than cigarette exhaust. This doesn't highlight the
> well known fact that cigarettes are a nasty habit tolerated until now
> by millions of non smokers whenever they socialise, but it highlights
> the absurd negative press about particulates directed by pressure
> groups against diesel engined cars.
> It turns out that it takes about 3.5 modern diesel cars to create as
> much particulate pollution as a single cigarette.
>
> Huw

"Cigarette Exhaust". LOL You should register that one!
--
~Philip.

 

Huw wrote:
> "Cosmin N." <no@email.com> wrote in message
> news:a8ednSr7ioherUHcRVn-oQ@rogers.com...
>> Let me light up a cigarette before I read the article. :P
>>
>> The sad part is that smokers (myself included) KNOW that cigarettes
>> have very dire consequences on ones health. Creating yet another
>> study proving that won't help. Educating adolescents is the only
>> solution to smoking, because they are the most vulnerable to peer
>> pressure and other influences.
>
> I think you miss the point, which is that diesel exhaust is so much
> relatively cleaner than cigarette exhaust. This doesn't highlight the
> well known fact that cigarettes are a nasty habit tolerated until now
> by millions of non smokers whenever they socialise, but it highlights
> the absurd negative press about particulates directed by pressure
> groups against diesel engined cars.
> It turns out that it takes about 3.5 modern diesel cars to create as
> much particulate pollution as a single cigarette.
>
> Huw

"Cigarette Exhaust". LOL You should register that one!
--
~Philip.

 

"Philip" <1chip-state1@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> Huw wrote:
>> "Cosmin N." <no@email.com> wrote in message
>> news:a8ednSr7ioherUHcRVn-oQ@rogers.com...
>>> Let me light up a cigarette before I read the article. :P
>>>
>>> The sad part is that smokers (myself included) KNOW that cigarettes
>>> have very dire consequences on ones health. Creating yet another
>>> study proving that won't help. Educating adolescents is the only
>>> solution to smoking, because they are the most vulnerable to peer
>>> pressure and other influences.
>>
>> I think you miss the point, which is that diesel exhaust is so much
>> relatively cleaner than cigarette exhaust. This doesn't highlight the
>> well known fact that cigarettes are a nasty habit tolerated until now
>> by millions of non smokers whenever they socialise, but it highlights
>> the absurd negative press about particulates directed by pressure
>> groups against diesel engined cars.
>> It turns out that it takes about 3.5 modern diesel cars to create as
>> much particulate pollution as a single cigarette.
>>
>> Huw
>
> "Cigarette Exhaust". LOL You should register that one!

Luckily the cigarette exhausts at both ends. The greater part of the exhaust
is filtered, mainly by the smoker's lungs. The filter has a fairly long life
and regenerates every morning when the smoker coughs up phlegm. Of course it
doesn't last forever but equals the life of the rest of the system on
average.
The exhaust does stink way more than the exhaust of a modern diesel though
and worse, it permeates clothes and furnishing to linger for several days.

Huw

 

"Philip" <1chip-state1@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:b6kDd.2675$W32.398@newsread3.news.atl.earthli nk.net...
> Huw wrote:
>> "Cosmin N." <no@email.com> wrote in message
>> news:a8ednSr7ioherUHcRVn-oQ@rogers.com...
>>> Let me light up a cigarette before I read the article. :P
>>>
>>> The sad part is that smokers (myself included) KNOW that cigarettes
>>> have very dire consequences on ones health. Creating yet another
>>> study proving that won't help. Educating adolescents is the only
>>> solution to smoking, because they are the most vulnerable to peer
>>> pressure and other influences.
>>
>> I think you miss the point, which is that diesel exhaust is so much
>> relatively cleaner than cigarette exhaust. This doesn't highlight the
>> well known fact that cigarettes are a nasty habit tolerated until now
>> by millions of non smokers whenever they socialise, but it highlights
>> the absurd negative press about particulates directed by pressure
>> groups against diesel engined cars.
>> It turns out that it takes about 3.5 modern diesel cars to create as
>> much particulate pollution as a single cigarette.
>>
>> Huw
>
> "Cigarette Exhaust". LOL You should register that one!

Luckily the cigarette exhausts at both ends. The greater part of the exhaust
is filtered, mainly by the smoker's lungs. The filter has a fairly long life
and regenerates every morning when the smoker coughs up phlegm. Of course it
doesn't last forever but equals the life of the rest of the system on
average.
The exhaust does stink way more than the exhaust of a modern diesel though
and worse, it permeates clothes and furnishing to linger for several days.

Huw

 

"Full_Name" <Email@address.com> wrote in message
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SNIP


> A different take to help put things in perspective.
>
> My brother a smoker since his teens tried to stop using every method,
> patch, gum, hypnosis, cold turkey 3+ times, behavior modification and
> then Zyban.
>
> Zyban was amazingly effective for him. After the second day on the
> product he couldn't even light up it made him feel so ill. He was so
> happy that he'd finally found something that worked.
>
> It did have some "minor" side effects, he couldn't sleep, felt
> jittery & he had tremors. He was on Zyban for about 2 months before
> he committed suicide at 38 (the first ever in our family). A doctor
> had prescribed Zyban and monitored the dose.

That's a sad but not unknown effect from the newer class anti
depressants--Zyban is just wellbutrin by another name--if you read the
prescribing information carefully you will see this is not an unknown
dynamic:
http://us.gsk.com/products/assets/us...in_tablets.pdf

What is now being uncovered about Prozac, a different drug, but the same
type of drug:

http://www.cnn.com/2005/HEALTH/01/04/prozac.documents/
http://cbs.marketwatch.com/news/stor...le&dist=google
http://www.examiner.ie/pport/web/ire...bBP-2fa91M.asp

I am so sorry about your brother

 

"Full_Name" <Email@address.com> wrote in message
news:cliqt0lgid8htsi7nudmdi3pamlhqc8knd@4ax.com...
SNIP


> A different take to help put things in perspective.
>
> My brother a smoker since his teens tried to stop using every method,
> patch, gum, hypnosis, cold turkey 3+ times, behavior modification and
> then Zyban.
>
> Zyban was amazingly effective for him. After the second day on the
> product he couldn't even light up it made him feel so ill. He was so
> happy that he'd finally found something that worked.
>
> It did have some "minor" side effects, he couldn't sleep, felt
> jittery & he had tremors. He was on Zyban for about 2 months before
> he committed suicide at 38 (the first ever in our family). A doctor
> had prescribed Zyban and monitored the dose.

That's a sad but not unknown effect from the newer class anti
depressants--Zyban is just wellbutrin by another name--if you read the
prescribing information carefully you will see this is not an unknown
dynamic:
http://us.gsk.com/products/assets/us...in_tablets.pdf

What is now being uncovered about Prozac, a different drug, but the same
type of drug:

http://www.cnn.com/2005/HEALTH/01/04/prozac.documents/
http://cbs.marketwatch.com/news/stor...le&dist=google
http://www.examiner.ie/pport/web/ire...bBP-2fa91M.asp

I am so sorry about your brother

 

deil@spzm.com wrote:
> In article <343bfsF44oeqcU1@individual.net>,
> "WickeddollŽ" <wickeddoll1958nofeckingspam@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>>
>> I used to think smokers who couldn't quit were just copping out.
>> That was until I worked in an OB/Gyn clinic! Those women would be
>> terrified that their babies would be affected, but were able to eat
>> right, exercise, and everything we told them they needed to do, but
>> often could *not* stop smoking. It was then that I realized what a
>> powerful addiction cigarette smoking is - wow!
>>
>> Natalie
>
> I often wonder why there is even a mention of making marijuana legal,
> while in the same breath they try to eliminate cigarette smoking.
> Seems to me they are both bad for health.

Nobody is proposing unrestricted marijuana use and banning cigarettes that
I've seen.

Cigarettes should not be banned, but they should be discouraged and kept
away from others who don't want them. If marijuana were legal, I don't
think it would be acceptable to have small children in a smoke filled room
with it. But we still allow that with cigarettes. A study was just released
that linked second hand smoke and lower test scores in children. I can see
laws getting tougher, but I can't see an outright ban. Likewise, I can't
see the government allowing marijuana smokers to drive when under the
influence to the point that it affects their driving, or smoke it any place
where cigarettes are not allowed.

The real issue is whether the government should be telling us what sorts of
flowers we can grow. Regulating our behavior is one thing, but banning one
type of flower, allowing another, and letting people keep stuff in jars
under their sink that's even worse is absurd. Many household chemicals are
not only legal but also can cause much more intoxication than marijuana and
can also cause immediate brain damage.

When my father was growing up, marijuana grew wildly in vacant lots and
nobody cared. Now there are laws against it and there are all sorts of new
crimes because growing it is dangerous and it's expensive. Since a grower
cannot rely on the police, he has to be armed. A few generations ago, there
was nothing to protect but a lot full of weeds, there was nothing to buy,
and most people were no more likely to smoke it than they were to smoke
corn silk.

 

deil@spzm.com wrote:
> In article <343bfsF44oeqcU1@individual.net>,
> "WickeddollŽ" <wickeddoll1958nofeckingspam@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>>
>> I used to think smokers who couldn't quit were just copping out.
>> That was until I worked in an OB/Gyn clinic! Those women would be
>> terrified that their babies would be affected, but were able to eat
>> right, exercise, and everything we told them they needed to do, but
>> often could *not* stop smoking. It was then that I realized what a
>> powerful addiction cigarette smoking is - wow!
>>
>> Natalie
>
> I often wonder why there is even a mention of making marijuana legal,
> while in the same breath they try to eliminate cigarette smoking.
> Seems to me they are both bad for health.

Nobody is proposing unrestricted marijuana use and banning cigarettes that
I've seen.

Cigarettes should not be banned, but they should be discouraged and kept
away from others who don't want them. If marijuana were legal, I don't
think it would be acceptable to have small children in a smoke filled room
with it. But we still allow that with cigarettes. A study was just released
that linked second hand smoke and lower test scores in children. I can see
laws getting tougher, but I can't see an outright ban. Likewise, I can't
see the government allowing marijuana smokers to drive when under the
influence to the point that it affects their driving, or smoke it any place
where cigarettes are not allowed.

The real issue is whether the government should be telling us what sorts of
flowers we can grow. Regulating our behavior is one thing, but banning one
type of flower, allowing another, and letting people keep stuff in jars
under their sink that's even worse is absurd. Many household chemicals are
not only legal but also can cause much more intoxication than marijuana and
can also cause immediate brain damage.

When my father was growing up, marijuana grew wildly in vacant lots and
nobody cared. Now there are laws against it and there are all sorts of new
crimes because growing it is dangerous and it's expensive. Since a grower
cannot rely on the police, he has to be armed. A few generations ago, there
was nothing to protect but a lot full of weeds, there was nothing to buy,
and most people were no more likely to smoke it than they were to smoke
corn silk.