deil@spzm.com wrote:
> In article <3KVCd.1321$%e1.888@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.n et>,
> "Philip" <1chip-state1@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> Cigarettes Worse for Air Than Cars
>>
>> Ivanhoe Newswire
>> www.ivanhoe.com
>> September 1, 2004
>>
>> Holy smoke! The air pollution emitted by cigarettes may be 10-times
>> greater than diesel car exhaust.
>>
>> Investigators hope the negative comparison can be a valuable
>> educational message against tobacco use for adolescents.
>>
>> Environmental tobacco smoke produces fine particulate matter, the
>> most dangerous element of air pollution. According to the new study,
>> levels indoors can far exceed those outdoors because new engine
>> models and lead-free fuels have cut the levels of particulate matter
>> emissions from car exhausts.
>>
>> The study was conducted in a garage in a small, Italian mountain
>> town where there are very low levels of particulate matter air
>> pollution. A turbo diesel engine was left idling for 30 minutes in
>> the garage with the doors closed. Then, the doors were left open for
>> four hours. The car was fueled with low sulphur fuel. Three filter
>> cigarettes were also lit up sequentially, and left smoldering for
>> another 30 minutes.
>>
>> Results of the experiment show the diesel engine exhaust doubled the
>> particulate matter levels found outdoors at its peak.
>>
>> The environmental tobacco smoke particulate matter reached levels
>> 15-times higher than those measured outdoors.
>>
>> This article was reported by Ivanhoe.com, who offers Medical Alerts
>> by e-mail every day of the week. To subscribe, go to:
>>
>> http://www.ivanhoe.com/newsalert/.
>>
>> SOURCE: Tobacco Control, 2004;13:219-221
>
>
>
> "The study was conducted in a garage in a small, Italian mountain
> town"
>
> Another unbiased report brought to you by Tobacco Control.
>
> Now I got a tell ya., I don't smoke, but these so called reports
> brought to you by Tobacco Control and a bunch more are so
> obvious that it makes one laugh.

The 'report' makes a great spoon to stir the soup. Some tasted it! LOL

--
~Philip.

 

And exactly what does this have to do with Acura
automobiles....................ie this newsgroup?

Philip wrote:

>Cigarettes Worse for Air Than Cars
>
>Ivanhoe Newswire
>www.ivanhoe.com
>September 1, 2004
>
>Holy smoke! The air pollution emitted by cigarettes may be 10-times greater
>than diesel car exhaust.
>
>Investigators hope the negative comparison can be a valuable educational
>message against tobacco use for adolescents.
>
>Environmental tobacco smoke produces fine particulate matter, the most
>dangerous element of air pollution. According to the new study, levels
>indoors can far exceed those outdoors because new engine models and
>lead-free fuels have cut the levels of particulate matter emissions from car
>exhausts.
>
>The study was conducted in a garage in a small, Italian mountain town where
>there are very low levels of particulate matter air pollution. A turbo
>diesel engine was left idling for 30 minutes in the garage with the doors
>closed. Then, the doors were left open for four hours. The car was fueled
>with low sulphur fuel. Three filter cigarettes were also lit up
>sequentially, and left smoldering for another 30 minutes.
>
>Results of the experiment show the diesel engine exhaust doubled the
>particulate matter levels found outdoors at its peak.
>
>The environmental tobacco smoke particulate matter reached levels 15-times
>higher than those measured outdoors.
>
>This article was reported by Ivanhoe.com, who offers Medical Alerts by
>e-mail every day of the week. To subscribe, go to:
>
>http://www.ivanhoe.com/newsalert/.
>
>SOURCE: Tobacco Control, 2004;13:219-221
>
>
>
>

 

And exactly what does this have to do with Acura
automobiles....................ie this newsgroup?

Philip wrote:

>Cigarettes Worse for Air Than Cars
>
>Ivanhoe Newswire
>www.ivanhoe.com
>September 1, 2004
>
>Holy smoke! The air pollution emitted by cigarettes may be 10-times greater
>than diesel car exhaust.
>
>Investigators hope the negative comparison can be a valuable educational
>message against tobacco use for adolescents.
>
>Environmental tobacco smoke produces fine particulate matter, the most
>dangerous element of air pollution. According to the new study, levels
>indoors can far exceed those outdoors because new engine models and
>lead-free fuels have cut the levels of particulate matter emissions from car
>exhausts.
>
>The study was conducted in a garage in a small, Italian mountain town where
>there are very low levels of particulate matter air pollution. A turbo
>diesel engine was left idling for 30 minutes in the garage with the doors
>closed. Then, the doors were left open for four hours. The car was fueled
>with low sulphur fuel. Three filter cigarettes were also lit up
>sequentially, and left smoldering for another 30 minutes.
>
>Results of the experiment show the diesel engine exhaust doubled the
>particulate matter levels found outdoors at its peak.
>
>The environmental tobacco smoke particulate matter reached levels 15-times
>higher than those measured outdoors.
>
>This article was reported by Ivanhoe.com, who offers Medical Alerts by
>e-mail every day of the week. To subscribe, go to:
>
>http://www.ivanhoe.com/newsalert/.
>
>SOURCE: Tobacco Control, 2004;13:219-221
>
>
>
>

 

In article <343bfsF44oeqcU1@individual.net>, WickeddollŽ wrote:
>
>"Cosmin N." <no@email.com> wrote in message
>news:a8ednSr7ioherUHcRVn-oQ@rogers.com...
>> Let me light up a cigarette before I read the article. :P
>>
>> The sad part is that smokers (myself included) KNOW that cigarettes have
>> very dire consequences on ones health. Creating yet another study proving
>> that won't help. Educating adolescents is the only solution to smoking,
>> because they are the most vulnerable to peer pressure and other influences.
>> That seems to be the reason behind this study, and I hope it works, because
>> not starting to smoke is so much easier than trying to quit.
>>
>> I think I tried 10 times to quit, including cold turkey, the patch and the
>> chewing gum and nothing worked. The only thing I found reduced the number
>> of cigarettes I smoked was keeping myself busy. My record was 3 cigarettes
>> in one day, and that was because I had to completely reassemble my old
>> Yamaha RZ350 before a trip (I had the engine, carbs, front end, swing arm
>> and brakes rebuilt, and needed to put everything back together).
>>
>> Cosmin
>
>I used to think smokers who couldn't quit were just copping out. That was
>until I worked in an OB/Gyn clinic! Those women would be terrified that
>their babies would be affected, but were able to eat right, exercise, and
>everything we told them they needed to do, but often could *not* stop
>smoking. It was then that I realized what a powerful addiction cigarette
>smoking is - wow!
>
>Natalie

Yup, nicotine addiction is as powerful as heroin addiction. If anyone is
interested in this, check out the chapter "Nicotine as an addicting drug"
http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/...s/cu/CU25.html from "The
Consumers Union Report - Licit and Illicit Drugs"
http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/.../cu/cumenu.htm


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In article <343bfsF44oeqcU1@individual.net>, WickeddollŽ wrote:
>
>"Cosmin N." <no@email.com> wrote in message
>news:a8ednSr7ioherUHcRVn-oQ@rogers.com...
>> Let me light up a cigarette before I read the article. :P
>>
>> The sad part is that smokers (myself included) KNOW that cigarettes have
>> very dire consequences on ones health. Creating yet another study proving
>> that won't help. Educating adolescents is the only solution to smoking,
>> because they are the most vulnerable to peer pressure and other influences.
>> That seems to be the reason behind this study, and I hope it works, because
>> not starting to smoke is so much easier than trying to quit.
>>
>> I think I tried 10 times to quit, including cold turkey, the patch and the
>> chewing gum and nothing worked. The only thing I found reduced the number
>> of cigarettes I smoked was keeping myself busy. My record was 3 cigarettes
>> in one day, and that was because I had to completely reassemble my old
>> Yamaha RZ350 before a trip (I had the engine, carbs, front end, swing arm
>> and brakes rebuilt, and needed to put everything back together).
>>
>> Cosmin
>
>I used to think smokers who couldn't quit were just copping out. That was
>until I worked in an OB/Gyn clinic! Those women would be terrified that
>their babies would be affected, but were able to eat right, exercise, and
>everything we told them they needed to do, but often could *not* stop
>smoking. It was then that I realized what a powerful addiction cigarette
>smoking is - wow!
>
>Natalie

Yup, nicotine addiction is as powerful as heroin addiction. If anyone is
interested in this, check out the chapter "Nicotine as an addicting drug"
http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/...s/cu/CU25.html from "The
Consumers Union Report - Licit and Illicit Drugs"
http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/.../cu/cumenu.htm


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1) Did this woman lose too much too quickly?

2) My wife smokes only sporadically and then not much, but I have refused
to buy her duty-free cigs (I travel a lot) on same grounds.


DAS
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"WickeddollŽ" <wickeddoll1958nofeckingspam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:343ge2F44ep8mU1@individual.net...
[...]
> to live. I saw a lady on a documentary who had dropped well over 200
> pounds. She began to go insane; not from temptation, but because her body
> reacted as though it were starving! She became psychotic and very ill.
> She ended up gaining the weight back, and in doing so, regained her
> sanity. Isn't that
[...]
> (She lives in Massachusetts) she'd ask if I'd buy her cigarettes either in
> NH (They're quite a bit cheaper there) or at Westover AFB in Chicopee, MA.
> I told her that while I know she won't stop smoking because I refuse to
> buy them for her, I could not in good conscience do that for her, because
> that
[...]

 

1) Did this woman lose too much too quickly?

2) My wife smokes only sporadically and then not much, but I have refused
to buy her duty-free cigs (I travel a lot) on same grounds.


DAS
--
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---

"WickeddollŽ" <wickeddoll1958nofeckingspam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:343ge2F44ep8mU1@individual.net...
[...]
> to live. I saw a lady on a documentary who had dropped well over 200
> pounds. She began to go insane; not from temptation, but because her body
> reacted as though it were starving! She became psychotic and very ill.
> She ended up gaining the weight back, and in doing so, regained her
> sanity. Isn't that
[...]
> (She lives in Massachusetts) she'd ask if I'd buy her cigarettes either in
> NH (They're quite a bit cheaper there) or at Westover AFB in Chicopee, MA.
> I told her that while I know she won't stop smoking because I refuse to
> buy them for her, I could not in good conscience do that for her, because
> that
[...]

 

On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 19:37:22 -0500,
newsgroups01REMOVEME@intertainia.com wrote:

>On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 18:27:57 -0500, "WickeddollŽ"
><wickeddoll1958nofeckingspam@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Cosmin N." <no@email.com> wrote in message
>>news:a8ednSr7ioherUHcRVn-oQ@rogers.com...
>>> Let me light up a cigarette before I read the article. :P
>>>
>>> The sad part is that smokers (myself included) KNOW that cigarettes have
>>> very dire consequences on ones health. Creating yet another study proving
>>> that won't help. Educating adolescents is the only solution to smoking,
>>> because they are the most vulnerable to peer pressure and other influences.
>>> That seems to be the reason behind this study, and I hope it works, because
>>> not starting to smoke is so much easier than trying to quit.
>>>
>>> I think I tried 10 times to quit, including cold turkey, the patch and the
>>> chewing gum and nothing worked. The only thing I found reduced the number
>>> of cigarettes I smoked was keeping myself busy. My record was 3 cigarettes
>>> in one day, and that was because I had to completely reassemble my old
>>> Yamaha RZ350 before a trip (I had the engine, carbs, front end, swing arm
>>> and brakes rebuilt, and needed to put everything back together).
>>>
>>> Cosmin
>>
>>I used to think smokers who couldn't quit were just copping out. That was
>>until I worked in an OB/Gyn clinic! Those women would be terrified that
>>their babies would be affected, but were able to eat right, exercise, and
>>everything we told them they needed to do, but often could *not* stop
>>smoking. It was then that I realized what a powerful addiction cigarette
>>smoking is - wow!
>>
>>Natalie
>
>Sorry to hear that. I tried filters, patches, training programs, but
>none worked for me. One day, it came down to that I couldn't afford
>college for my wife, and my 3 pack/day habit. I said I had to quit
>and I did. I promised myself I would start back up when I could
>afford it, but that was 10+ years ago. Now with a mortgage and a
>child, I"m guessing I'll have to remain smoke-free, but I do enjoy the
>smell now and then.
>
>Everyone who says they can't just doesn't want to.
>
>imho,
>
>tom @ www.ChopURL.com

A different take to help put things in perspective.

My brother a smoker since his teens tried to stop using every method,
patch, gum, hypnosis, cold turkey 3+ times, behavior modification and
then Zyban.

Zyban was amazingly effective for him. After the second day on the
product he couldn't even light up it made him feel so ill. He was so
happy that he'd finally found something that worked.

It did have some "minor" side effects, he couldn't sleep, felt
jittery & he had tremors. He was on Zyban for about 2 months before
he committed suicide at 38 (the first ever in our family). A doctor
had prescribed Zyban and monitored the dose.

Then there's my wife's aunt.

She smoked from her early teens till she died this past fall at 75.
she was active, smoked 2 packs a day & her non-smoking husband is
still alive, active and doing fine. However neither one of them is or
were overweight.

Tobacco is not healthy. But for some trying to quit may be too much.
I smoked for a year & then quit. But it was easy for me. Not so for
others.


Using that stat posted in the article I think that it's high time that
we get the good Diesels here in North America. Including the new 2005
GTi Turbo Diesel. Ban Fast food & use the cooking oil for the fast
Turbo Diesel's.

More sub 7 sec 0-60, 140+ MPH Diesels I say !

 

On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 19:37:22 -0500,
newsgroups01REMOVEME@intertainia.com wrote:

>On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 18:27:57 -0500, "WickeddollŽ"
><wickeddoll1958nofeckingspam@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Cosmin N." <no@email.com> wrote in message
>>news:a8ednSr7ioherUHcRVn-oQ@rogers.com...
>>> Let me light up a cigarette before I read the article. :P
>>>
>>> The sad part is that smokers (myself included) KNOW that cigarettes have
>>> very dire consequences on ones health. Creating yet another study proving
>>> that won't help. Educating adolescents is the only solution to smoking,
>>> because they are the most vulnerable to peer pressure and other influences.
>>> That seems to be the reason behind this study, and I hope it works, because
>>> not starting to smoke is so much easier than trying to quit.
>>>
>>> I think I tried 10 times to quit, including cold turkey, the patch and the
>>> chewing gum and nothing worked. The only thing I found reduced the number
>>> of cigarettes I smoked was keeping myself busy. My record was 3 cigarettes
>>> in one day, and that was because I had to completely reassemble my old
>>> Yamaha RZ350 before a trip (I had the engine, carbs, front end, swing arm
>>> and brakes rebuilt, and needed to put everything back together).
>>>
>>> Cosmin
>>
>>I used to think smokers who couldn't quit were just copping out. That was
>>until I worked in an OB/Gyn clinic! Those women would be terrified that
>>their babies would be affected, but were able to eat right, exercise, and
>>everything we told them they needed to do, but often could *not* stop
>>smoking. It was then that I realized what a powerful addiction cigarette
>>smoking is - wow!
>>
>>Natalie
>
>Sorry to hear that. I tried filters, patches, training programs, but
>none worked for me. One day, it came down to that I couldn't afford
>college for my wife, and my 3 pack/day habit. I said I had to quit
>and I did. I promised myself I would start back up when I could
>afford it, but that was 10+ years ago. Now with a mortgage and a
>child, I"m guessing I'll have to remain smoke-free, but I do enjoy the
>smell now and then.
>
>Everyone who says they can't just doesn't want to.
>
>imho,
>
>tom @ www.ChopURL.com

A different take to help put things in perspective.

My brother a smoker since his teens tried to stop using every method,
patch, gum, hypnosis, cold turkey 3+ times, behavior modification and
then Zyban.

Zyban was amazingly effective for him. After the second day on the
product he couldn't even light up it made him feel so ill. He was so
happy that he'd finally found something that worked.

It did have some "minor" side effects, he couldn't sleep, felt
jittery & he had tremors. He was on Zyban for about 2 months before
he committed suicide at 38 (the first ever in our family). A doctor
had prescribed Zyban and monitored the dose.

Then there's my wife's aunt.

She smoked from her early teens till she died this past fall at 75.
she was active, smoked 2 packs a day & her non-smoking husband is
still alive, active and doing fine. However neither one of them is or
were overweight.

Tobacco is not healthy. But for some trying to quit may be too much.
I smoked for a year & then quit. But it was easy for me. Not so for
others.


Using that stat posted in the article I think that it's high time that
we get the good Diesels here in North America. Including the new 2005
GTi Turbo Diesel. Ban Fast food & use the cooking oil for the fast
Turbo Diesel's.

More sub 7 sec 0-60, 140+ MPH Diesels I say !

 

Full_Name wrote:
[snip]
>
> My brother a smoker since his teens tried to stop using every method,
> patch, gum, hypnosis, cold turkey 3+ times, behavior modification and
> then Zyban.
>
> Zyban was amazingly effective for him. After the second day on the
> product he couldn't even light up it made him feel so ill. He was so
> happy that he'd finally found something that worked.
>
> It did have some "minor" side effects, he couldn't sleep, felt
> jittery & he had tremors. He was on Zyban for about 2 months before
> he committed suicide at 38 (the first ever in our family). A doctor
> had prescribed Zyban and monitored the dose.
>
[snip]

I have looked into Zyban myself, and had considered taking it in order
to quite smoking, but did not for exactly the reason you mentioned. It
has horrible side effects in some people. While it works for most
people, if you are one of the unlucky ones then you are in trouble.

Cosmin

 

Full_Name wrote:
[snip]
>
> My brother a smoker since his teens tried to stop using every method,
> patch, gum, hypnosis, cold turkey 3+ times, behavior modification and
> then Zyban.
>
> Zyban was amazingly effective for him. After the second day on the
> product he couldn't even light up it made him feel so ill. He was so
> happy that he'd finally found something that worked.
>
> It did have some "minor" side effects, he couldn't sleep, felt
> jittery & he had tremors. He was on Zyban for about 2 months before
> he committed suicide at 38 (the first ever in our family). A doctor
> had prescribed Zyban and monitored the dose.
>
[snip]

I have looked into Zyban myself, and had considered taking it in order
to quite smoking, but did not for exactly the reason you mentioned. It
has horrible side effects in some people. While it works for most
people, if you are one of the unlucky ones then you are in trouble.

Cosmin

 

There's only one accurate cure for smokers: the guillotine

 

There's only one accurate cure for smokers: the guillotine

 

"Cosmin N." <no@email.com> wrote in message
news:a8ednSr7ioherUHcRVn-oQ@rogers.com...
> Let me light up a cigarette before I read the article. :P
>
> The sad part is that smokers (myself included) KNOW that cigarettes have
> very dire consequences on ones health. Creating yet another study proving
> that won't help. Educating adolescents is the only solution to smoking,
> because they are the most vulnerable to peer pressure and other
> influences. That seems to be the reason behind this study, and I hope it
> works, because not starting to smoke is so much easier than trying to
> quit.
>
> I think I tried 10 times to quit, including cold turkey, the patch and the
> chewing gum and nothing worked. The only thing I found reduced the number
> of cigarettes I smoked was keeping myself busy. My record was 3 cigarettes
> in one day, and that was because I had to completely reassemble my old
> Yamaha RZ350 before a trip (I had the engine, carbs, front end, swing arm
> and brakes rebuilt, and needed to put everything back together).
>
> Cosmin

I too tryed "the patch" . Didnt work for me either, I couldn't keep the damn
thing lit!

 

"Cosmin N." <no@email.com> wrote in message
news:a8ednSr7ioherUHcRVn-oQ@rogers.com...
> Let me light up a cigarette before I read the article. :P
>
> The sad part is that smokers (myself included) KNOW that cigarettes have
> very dire consequences on ones health. Creating yet another study proving
> that won't help. Educating adolescents is the only solution to smoking,
> because they are the most vulnerable to peer pressure and other
> influences. That seems to be the reason behind this study, and I hope it
> works, because not starting to smoke is so much easier than trying to
> quit.
>
> I think I tried 10 times to quit, including cold turkey, the patch and the
> chewing gum and nothing worked. The only thing I found reduced the number
> of cigarettes I smoked was keeping myself busy. My record was 3 cigarettes
> in one day, and that was because I had to completely reassemble my old
> Yamaha RZ350 before a trip (I had the engine, carbs, front end, swing arm
> and brakes rebuilt, and needed to put everything back together).
>
> Cosmin

I too tryed "the patch" . Didnt work for me either, I couldn't keep the damn
thing lit!