Rich,

Yeah, I remember. Back in 2000 I was in NYC for Christmas, and gas was
only about $1.26 and that is pretty cheap for New York.

----

TeGGeR, gas is always more in Hapeville, which is right outside Forest
Park. Hapeville is where the Atlanta Airport is located, and the gas is
always cheaper.

Say right now in Hapeville if the gas is $2.30, in north Georgia near
the smaller cities gas ia about $2.05

It's very weird how they setup those gas prices, but they do.

 

Be nice now John.

So Michael, that means by going slowing in your car, you actually save
more gas huh? I just assumed if everyone drove the same MPG for a long
distance we would all save gas.

Say, if you drove non-stop on the express way going 70MPH for 1 hour or
drove 55MPH for 1 hour, of course you would get where ever your going
quicker going 70, but because you drove non-stop, at the same miles per
hour, without stop and going. Your car continuously was traveling at
the same steady speed, would both speeds use the same amount of
gasoline?

 

Be nice now John.

So Michael, that means by going slowing in your car, you actually save
more gas huh? I just assumed if everyone drove the same MPG for a long
distance we would all save gas.

Say, if you drove non-stop on the express way going 70MPH for 1 hour or
drove 55MPH for 1 hour, of course you would get where ever your going
quicker going 70, but because you drove non-stop, at the same miles per
hour, without stop and going. Your car continuously was traveling at
the same steady speed, would both speeds use the same amount of
gasoline?

 

"mopa" <buttakid@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1120952062.838441.191600@g14g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> I was just reading this story about a carburetor that can make a car
> run a thousand miles to a gallon, but the automobile industry paid off
> the investors with millions of dollars to secure those patents, and
> then burired those patents and never used the technology?
>
> But the thing is it would cost the automotive industry billions of
> dollars in profits. Now thats very messed up, but I don't blame them.
> They want money!
>
> What role does a carburetor have anyways? honestly, is there anyway a
> carburetor could allow us to burn our gas slowly, so we could save gas,
> but still be able to drive at our road speeds? and have gas last much
> longer?
>
> Very interesting stuff

Even more interesting:

www.snopes.com

Pagan

 

"mopa" <buttakid@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1120952062.838441.191600@g14g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> I was just reading this story about a carburetor that can make a car
> run a thousand miles to a gallon, but the automobile industry paid off
> the investors with millions of dollars to secure those patents, and
> then burired those patents and never used the technology?
>
> But the thing is it would cost the automotive industry billions of
> dollars in profits. Now thats very messed up, but I don't blame them.
> They want money!
>
> What role does a carburetor have anyways? honestly, is there anyway a
> carburetor could allow us to burn our gas slowly, so we could save gas,
> but still be able to drive at our road speeds? and have gas last much
> longer?
>
> Very interesting stuff

Even more interesting:

www.snopes.com

Pagan

 

"mopa" <buttakid@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1121022580.290226.233470@g47g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> Be nice now John.
>
> So Michael, that means by going slowing in your car, you actually save
> more gas huh? I just assumed if everyone drove the same MPG for a long
> distance we would all save gas.
>
> Say, if you drove non-stop on the express way going 70MPH for 1 hour or
> drove 55MPH for 1 hour, of course you would get where ever your going
> quicker going 70, but because you drove non-stop, at the same miles per
> hour, without stop and going. Your car continuously was traveling at
> the same steady speed, would both speeds use the same amount of
> gasoline?
>
I don't think I described it clearly. I've driven the 55 and 65 mph
stretches long enough to get several 5 minute readings on the display (known
to be about 4% optimistic in our Prius) and compared those to the readings
from our 75 mph trips.

No doubt about it - the best average mpg comes from keeping a constant
speed, and as low a speed as practical. Air resistance is really a big
factor. But varying speeds gives the worst of both worlds: higher speeds
burn gasoline you won't get back and lower speeds burn time you won't get
back.

Mike

 

"mopa" <buttakid@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1121022580.290226.233470@g47g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> Be nice now John.
>
> So Michael, that means by going slowing in your car, you actually save
> more gas huh? I just assumed if everyone drove the same MPG for a long
> distance we would all save gas.
>
> Say, if you drove non-stop on the express way going 70MPH for 1 hour or
> drove 55MPH for 1 hour, of course you would get where ever your going
> quicker going 70, but because you drove non-stop, at the same miles per
> hour, without stop and going. Your car continuously was traveling at
> the same steady speed, would both speeds use the same amount of
> gasoline?
>
I don't think I described it clearly. I've driven the 55 and 65 mph
stretches long enough to get several 5 minute readings on the display (known
to be about 4% optimistic in our Prius) and compared those to the readings
from our 75 mph trips.

No doubt about it - the best average mpg comes from keeping a constant
speed, and as low a speed as practical. Air resistance is really a big
factor. But varying speeds gives the worst of both worlds: higher speeds
burn gasoline you won't get back and lower speeds burn time you won't get
back.

Mike

 

"Pagan" <adsa@deputysheriff.org> wrote in message
news:11d3bq7hj17mb60@corp.supernews.com...
> "mopa" <buttakid@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1120952062.838441.191600@g14g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>> I was just reading this story about a carburetor that can make a car
>> run a thousand miles to a gallon, but the automobile industry paid off
>> the investors with millions of dollars to secure those patents, and
>> then burired those patents and never used the technology?
>>
>> But the thing is it would cost the automotive industry billions of
>> dollars in profits. Now thats very messed up, but I don't blame them.
>> They want money!
>>
>> What role does a carburetor have anyways? honestly, is there anyway a
>> carburetor could allow us to burn our gas slowly, so we could save gas,
>> but still be able to drive at our road speeds? and have gas last much
>> longer?
>>
>> Very interesting stuff
>
> Even more interesting:
>
> www.snopes.com
>
> Pagan
>
Specifically http://www.snopes.com/autos/business/carburetor.asp

It's also worth noting that US patents expire after 17 years (non-renewable,
unlike copyrights), and patents are not binding outside the countries in
which they are registered. Any such carburetor would be in the public domain
by now, and we would have seen them being made various places overseas -
even if they could not be imported while the patent was in effect.

Mike

 

"Pagan" <adsa@deputysheriff.org> wrote in message
news:11d3bq7hj17mb60@corp.supernews.com...
> "mopa" <buttakid@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1120952062.838441.191600@g14g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>> I was just reading this story about a carburetor that can make a car
>> run a thousand miles to a gallon, but the automobile industry paid off
>> the investors with millions of dollars to secure those patents, and
>> then burired those patents and never used the technology?
>>
>> But the thing is it would cost the automotive industry billions of
>> dollars in profits. Now thats very messed up, but I don't blame them.
>> They want money!
>>
>> What role does a carburetor have anyways? honestly, is there anyway a
>> carburetor could allow us to burn our gas slowly, so we could save gas,
>> but still be able to drive at our road speeds? and have gas last much
>> longer?
>>
>> Very interesting stuff
>
> Even more interesting:
>
> www.snopes.com
>
> Pagan
>
Specifically http://www.snopes.com/autos/business/carburetor.asp

It's also worth noting that US patents expire after 17 years (non-renewable,
unlike copyrights), and patents are not binding outside the countries in
which they are registered. Any such carburetor would be in the public domain
by now, and we would have seen them being made various places overseas -
even if they could not be imported while the patent was in effect.

Mike

 

On 10 Jul 2005 11:18:42 -0700, "mopa" <buttakid@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Rich,
>
>Yeah, I remember. Back in 2000 I was in NYC for Christmas, and gas was
>only about $1.26 and that is pretty cheap for New York.
>
>----
>
> TeGGeR, gas is always more in Hapeville, which is right outside Forest
>Park. Hapeville is where the Atlanta Airport is located, and the gas is
>always cheaper.

cheapest gas in that area is a short drive away. The quik-trip on US19
in jonesboro (jump on I75 to Exit235, and follow US19/41 for about 2
miles. it was 2.03 iirc on friday

>
>Say right now in Hapeville if the gas is $2.30, in north Georgia near
>the smaller cities gas ia about $2.05

Its 2.12/gallon in central georgia, in the
griffin/barenesville/thomaston area. Cheaper still around the
Thomasville area, just in georgia on the florida border.

>
>It's very weird how they setup those gas prices, but they do.

 

On 10 Jul 2005 11:18:42 -0700, "mopa" <buttakid@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Rich,
>
>Yeah, I remember. Back in 2000 I was in NYC for Christmas, and gas was
>only about $1.26 and that is pretty cheap for New York.
>
>----
>
> TeGGeR, gas is always more in Hapeville, which is right outside Forest
>Park. Hapeville is where the Atlanta Airport is located, and the gas is
>always cheaper.

cheapest gas in that area is a short drive away. The quik-trip on US19
in jonesboro (jump on I75 to Exit235, and follow US19/41 for about 2
miles. it was 2.03 iirc on friday

>
>Say right now in Hapeville if the gas is $2.30, in north Georgia near
>the smaller cities gas ia about $2.05

Its 2.12/gallon in central georgia, in the
griffin/barenesville/thomaston area. Cheaper still around the
Thomasville area, just in georgia on the florida border.

>
>It's very weird how they setup those gas prices, but they do.

 

On Mon, 11 Jul 2005 05:35:54 -0700, "Michael Pardee"
<michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote:

>"mopa" <buttakid@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:1121022580.290226.233470@g47g2000cwa.googleg roups.com...
>> Be nice now John.
>>
>> So Michael, that means by going slowing in your car, you actually save
>> more gas huh? I just assumed if everyone drove the same MPG for a long
>> distance we would all save gas.
>>
>> Say, if you drove non-stop on the express way going 70MPH for 1 hour or
>> drove 55MPH for 1 hour, of course you would get where ever your going
>> quicker going 70, but because you drove non-stop, at the same miles per
>> hour, without stop and going. Your car continuously was traveling at
>> the same steady speed, would both speeds use the same amount of
>> gasoline?
>>
>I don't think I described it clearly. I've driven the 55 and 65 mph
>stretches long enough to get several 5 minute readings on the display (known
>to be about 4% optimistic in our Prius) and compared those to the readings
>from our 75 mph trips.

Car computers are very variable. Nowhere is this better illustrated,
than on Top gear a year or two ago, when the presenter drove an Audi
A8 from london to edinburgh and back on a single tank (thats around
400 miles, in a 4l V8 twin turbo diesel). Not only did the computer
say he was low on fuel too early, but that he'd completely run out
around milton keynes, an hour or so short.

>
>No doubt about it - the best average mpg comes from keeping a constant
>speed, and as low a speed as practical. Air resistance is really a big
>factor. But varying speeds gives the worst of both worlds: higher speeds
>burn gasoline you won't get back and lower speeds burn time you won't get
>back.

low a speed as practical is not true. It comes from keeping at the
peak torque point. I used to do economy runs in my old volvo, its most
efficient speed was 58mph, because that was how the gearing worked out
to be the engines peak torque point, in the top gear. now, you could
actually cheat a bit and extend it, by going right behind a HGV (semi
for the americans) and holding steady at their limited speed 9usually
about 62-63mph). I think i managed to get about 55-60mpg from my volvo
in this way, thats in a 15yo car, with 4 passengers. Peak torque rpm
point is always the point where the engine works most efficiently.
thats how come its the peak torque point.

>
>Mike
>

 

On Mon, 11 Jul 2005 05:35:54 -0700, "Michael Pardee"
<michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote:

>"mopa" <buttakid@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:1121022580.290226.233470@g47g2000cwa.googleg roups.com...
>> Be nice now John.
>>
>> So Michael, that means by going slowing in your car, you actually save
>> more gas huh? I just assumed if everyone drove the same MPG for a long
>> distance we would all save gas.
>>
>> Say, if you drove non-stop on the express way going 70MPH for 1 hour or
>> drove 55MPH for 1 hour, of course you would get where ever your going
>> quicker going 70, but because you drove non-stop, at the same miles per
>> hour, without stop and going. Your car continuously was traveling at
>> the same steady speed, would both speeds use the same amount of
>> gasoline?
>>
>I don't think I described it clearly. I've driven the 55 and 65 mph
>stretches long enough to get several 5 minute readings on the display (known
>to be about 4% optimistic in our Prius) and compared those to the readings
>from our 75 mph trips.

Car computers are very variable. Nowhere is this better illustrated,
than on Top gear a year or two ago, when the presenter drove an Audi
A8 from london to edinburgh and back on a single tank (thats around
400 miles, in a 4l V8 twin turbo diesel). Not only did the computer
say he was low on fuel too early, but that he'd completely run out
around milton keynes, an hour or so short.

>
>No doubt about it - the best average mpg comes from keeping a constant
>speed, and as low a speed as practical. Air resistance is really a big
>factor. But varying speeds gives the worst of both worlds: higher speeds
>burn gasoline you won't get back and lower speeds burn time you won't get
>back.

low a speed as practical is not true. It comes from keeping at the
peak torque point. I used to do economy runs in my old volvo, its most
efficient speed was 58mph, because that was how the gearing worked out
to be the engines peak torque point, in the top gear. now, you could
actually cheat a bit and extend it, by going right behind a HGV (semi
for the americans) and holding steady at their limited speed 9usually
about 62-63mph). I think i managed to get about 55-60mpg from my volvo
in this way, thats in a 15yo car, with 4 passengers. Peak torque rpm
point is always the point where the engine works most efficiently.
thats how come its the peak torque point.

>
>Mike
>

 

On Mon, 11 Jul 2005 05:35:54 -0700, "Michael Pardee"
<michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote:

>No doubt about it - the best average mpg comes from keeping a constant
>speed, and as low a speed as practical. Air resistance is really a big
>factor. But varying speeds gives the worst of both worlds: higher speeds
>burn gasoline you won't get back and lower speeds burn time you won't get
>back.

There's more to it than that, gearing and powerbands make a
difference. Fuel consumption's finite, it'll take a certain amount of
energy to maintain any speed. Reduced wind and rolling resistance
will reduce the energy needed, then it's just to how efficient the
engine is at that RPM in converting fuel to energy.

I used to get 34MPG at 70MPH with a 1962 Oldsmobile F-85 with a 215 V8
and a 4bbl carburetor.

Most cars today can't get that sort of mileage with fuel injection and
half the cylinders. So much for 40 years of engineering.

 

On Mon, 11 Jul 2005 05:35:54 -0700, "Michael Pardee"
<michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote:

>No doubt about it - the best average mpg comes from keeping a constant
>speed, and as low a speed as practical. Air resistance is really a big
>factor. But varying speeds gives the worst of both worlds: higher speeds
>burn gasoline you won't get back and lower speeds burn time you won't get
>back.

There's more to it than that, gearing and powerbands make a
difference. Fuel consumption's finite, it'll take a certain amount of
energy to maintain any speed. Reduced wind and rolling resistance
will reduce the energy needed, then it's just to how efficient the
engine is at that RPM in converting fuel to energy.

I used to get 34MPG at 70MPH with a 1962 Oldsmobile F-85 with a 215 V8
and a 4bbl carburetor.

Most cars today can't get that sort of mileage with fuel injection and
half the cylinders. So much for 40 years of engineering.