"mopa" <buttakid@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:1120963225.432249.93340@f14g2000cwb.googlegro ups.com:

> Hi Tegger,
>
> Oh no, I am just trying to learn a little, and your always very
> helpful. I am glad that there is someone on the group that knows so
> much.
>
> Anyways, back in 1997 I came down to visit my sister in Atlanta,
> Georgia and at the time I didn't drive. I was only 17 years old at the
> time, so that is why I remember there is a QT and a BP gas station
> where she lived at the time and the gas was only 67 cents, and I swear
> I never seen gas so damn cheap in my life.



I was at the Ford plant in Hapeville in 1998. Gas was nowhere near 67˘,
trust me on that.


>
> I am originally from Milwaukee, and gas is always about 90 cents
> cheaper than it is in Chicago as Chicago is one of the most expensive
> cities for gas.



And do you know...why?

There are regional regulations involving oxygenation and reformulation.
These tend to jack up prices. Then there are local tax laws.

I haven't been to Chicago since about the mid-'90s, and I don't remember
what the gas price was there then.


>
> What most people don't know, that for every gallon of gasoline, about
> 75 cents of it is just the tax. Talk about a lot of money being just
> paid for tax.


http://www.aip.com.au/pricing/oecd.htm




--
TeGGeR®

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

 

"mopa" <buttakid@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:1120963225.432249.93340@f14g2000cwb.googlegro ups.com:

> Hi Tegger,
>
> Oh no, I am just trying to learn a little, and your always very
> helpful. I am glad that there is someone on the group that knows so
> much.
>
> Anyways, back in 1997 I came down to visit my sister in Atlanta,
> Georgia and at the time I didn't drive. I was only 17 years old at the
> time, so that is why I remember there is a QT and a BP gas station
> where she lived at the time and the gas was only 67 cents, and I swear
> I never seen gas so damn cheap in my life.



I was at the Ford plant in Hapeville in 1998. Gas was nowhere near 67˘,
trust me on that.


>
> I am originally from Milwaukee, and gas is always about 90 cents
> cheaper than it is in Chicago as Chicago is one of the most expensive
> cities for gas.



And do you know...why?

There are regional regulations involving oxygenation and reformulation.
These tend to jack up prices. Then there are local tax laws.

I haven't been to Chicago since about the mid-'90s, and I don't remember
what the gas price was there then.


>
> What most people don't know, that for every gallon of gasoline, about
> 75 cents of it is just the tax. Talk about a lot of money being just
> paid for tax.


http://www.aip.com.au/pricing/oecd.htm




--
TeGGeR®

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

 

TeGGeR® wrote:

> Either your memory is /seriously/ faulty or you came across a station
> having one of those mega-sales that the oil companies won't pay them for.
>
> In 1995 I paid an average of about $1.80 US per US gallon (I have all my
> gas fillups listed in a book).
>
>
Mmmm, that's strange. I have all the gas records for my 1993 Accord.
Until November of 2004. it spent its first 11 years of life in New
Jersey. In 1995 we paid between $1.00 and $1.15 per gallon(U.S. $'s) and
ss late as March 1999 we paid as little as $0.859. That was in extreme
Northern NJ near the NY state border,
Rich

 

TeGGeR® wrote:

> Either your memory is /seriously/ faulty or you came across a station
> having one of those mega-sales that the oil companies won't pay them for.
>
> In 1995 I paid an average of about $1.80 US per US gallon (I have all my
> gas fillups listed in a book).
>
>
Mmmm, that's strange. I have all the gas records for my 1993 Accord.
Until November of 2004. it spent its first 11 years of life in New
Jersey. In 1995 we paid between $1.00 and $1.15 per gallon(U.S. $'s) and
ss late as March 1999 we paid as little as $0.859. That was in extreme
Northern NJ near the NY state border,
Rich

 

----- Original Message -----
From: "mopa" <buttakid@hotmail.com>
Newsgroups: alt.autos.honda
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 5:12 PM
Subject: Re: carburetors that allow you to drive 1000+ miles to the gallon


> Yeah, well like I say all the time anything is possible. Anyways, in
> United States we have millions of engeers, and many other countries do
> too, but we have the most. Anyhow, I know damn well they have a way to
> make our cars use less gas and oil, but look how high these gas prices
> are? I mean come on the people who invest in oil companies are making
> millions of dollars with their shares of stock. I remember when I was
> in Atlanta, Ga visiting the gas there was only, and quote me on it,
> only 67 cents a gallon!!!
<snip>
> The problem is the automobile industry is the largest in the country.
> It's great that people got jobs, but hell, these guys who own these
> companies are actually just having people lose their job. Thousands of
> good hard-working-busting-their-*** guys have worked, and lost their
> jobs. The automobile industry, must have a contract with the oil
> industry, and do a lot of *** kissing for eachother, so they can both
> enjoy the billions.
>
If you really feel that way, you should buy stock in oil companies.

Mike

 

----- Original Message -----
From: "mopa" <buttakid@hotmail.com>
Newsgroups: alt.autos.honda
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 5:12 PM
Subject: Re: carburetors that allow you to drive 1000+ miles to the gallon


> Yeah, well like I say all the time anything is possible. Anyways, in
> United States we have millions of engeers, and many other countries do
> too, but we have the most. Anyhow, I know damn well they have a way to
> make our cars use less gas and oil, but look how high these gas prices
> are? I mean come on the people who invest in oil companies are making
> millions of dollars with their shares of stock. I remember when I was
> in Atlanta, Ga visiting the gas there was only, and quote me on it,
> only 67 cents a gallon!!!
<snip>
> The problem is the automobile industry is the largest in the country.
> It's great that people got jobs, but hell, these guys who own these
> companies are actually just having people lose their job. Thousands of
> good hard-working-busting-their-*** guys have worked, and lost their
> jobs. The automobile industry, must have a contract with the oil
> industry, and do a lot of *** kissing for eachother, so they can both
> enjoy the billions.
>
If you really feel that way, you should buy stock in oil companies.

Mike

 

"mopa" <buttakid@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1120952062.838441.191600@g14g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>I was just reading this story about a carburetor that can make a car
> run a thousand miles to a gallon, but the automobile industry paid off
> the investors with millions of dollars to secure those patents, and
> then burired those patents and never used the technology?
>
> But the thing is it would cost the automotive industry billions of
> dollars in profits. Now thats very messed up, but I don't blame them.
> They want money!
>
> What role does a carburetor have anyways? honestly, is there anyway a
> carburetor could allow us to burn our gas slowly, so we could save gas,
> but still be able to drive at our road speeds? and have gas last much
> longer?
>
> Very interesting stuff
>
I canna change the laws of physics, Cap'n! It isn't the carburetor or engine
that allows higher fuel economy, but the design of the vehicle. A bicycle
could probably get several hundred mpg, but a car as we know it has too much
drag.

The by-the-ways show up in discussions of hybrid cars all the time. We have
a 2002 Toyota Prius, and it does indeed get as much as 50 mpg or slightly
more in town. But an amazing number of factors can eat into that. Short
trips can knock the average economy below 40 mpg (there is a display for
trip mpg, 5 minute interval mpg, and "immediate" mpg). The A/C or defroster
has about the same effect. Last winter I rolled the windows down and turned
the heater on high to see what effect it had, and the next five minute bar
dropped from about 40 mpg to 25 mpg! The car gets 65 mpg at 60 mph (no A/C
on) and 45 mpg at 75 mph. When the edge is that fine it takes very little to
dull it.

Mike

 

"mopa" <buttakid@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1120952062.838441.191600@g14g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>I was just reading this story about a carburetor that can make a car
> run a thousand miles to a gallon, but the automobile industry paid off
> the investors with millions of dollars to secure those patents, and
> then burired those patents and never used the technology?
>
> But the thing is it would cost the automotive industry billions of
> dollars in profits. Now thats very messed up, but I don't blame them.
> They want money!
>
> What role does a carburetor have anyways? honestly, is there anyway a
> carburetor could allow us to burn our gas slowly, so we could save gas,
> but still be able to drive at our road speeds? and have gas last much
> longer?
>
> Very interesting stuff
>
I canna change the laws of physics, Cap'n! It isn't the carburetor or engine
that allows higher fuel economy, but the design of the vehicle. A bicycle
could probably get several hundred mpg, but a car as we know it has too much
drag.

The by-the-ways show up in discussions of hybrid cars all the time. We have
a 2002 Toyota Prius, and it does indeed get as much as 50 mpg or slightly
more in town. But an amazing number of factors can eat into that. Short
trips can knock the average economy below 40 mpg (there is a display for
trip mpg, 5 minute interval mpg, and "immediate" mpg). The A/C or defroster
has about the same effect. Last winter I rolled the windows down and turned
the heater on high to see what effect it had, and the next five minute bar
dropped from about 40 mpg to 25 mpg! The car gets 65 mpg at 60 mph (no A/C
on) and 45 mpg at 75 mph. When the edge is that fine it takes very little to
dull it.

Mike

 

Fuel economy has improved from maybe 12 mpg to 25-35 mpg over the past
75 or so years. Don't you think it's ridiculous for the next jump in
efficiency to be to 1000 mpg?

Assuming that a car *can* get 1000 mpg, what do you think that will do
to its performance? Zero to 60 in five minutes.

I can understand why the oil industry would want to thwart
fuel-efficient cars, but why the auto industry? Does not make sense.

Carburetors are not efficient, period. Fuel-injector cars do not have
them at all. The best improvement that was ever made to a carburetor to
increase its fuel efficiency was to eliminate it.

 

Fuel economy has improved from maybe 12 mpg to 25-35 mpg over the past
75 or so years. Don't you think it's ridiculous for the next jump in
efficiency to be to 1000 mpg?

Assuming that a car *can* get 1000 mpg, what do you think that will do
to its performance? Zero to 60 in five minutes.

I can understand why the oil industry would want to thwart
fuel-efficient cars, but why the auto industry? Does not make sense.

Carburetors are not efficient, period. Fuel-injector cars do not have
them at all. The best improvement that was ever made to a carburetor to
increase its fuel efficiency was to eliminate it.

 

mopa wrote:
> I was just reading this story about a carburetor that can make a car
> run a thousand miles to a gallon, but the automobile industry paid off
> the investors with millions of dollars to secure those patents, and
> then burired those patents and never used the technology?
>
> But the thing is it would cost the automotive industry billions of
> dollars in profits. Now thats very messed up, but I don't blame them.
> They want money!
>
> What role does a carburetor have anyways? honestly, is there anyway a
> carburetor could allow us to burn our gas slowly, so we could save gas,
> but still be able to drive at our road speeds? and have gas last much
> longer?
>
> Very interesting stuff
>


A bunch of urban legend BS. Your time would be better spent studying
the laws of thermodynamics instead of reading unsubstantianed crap.

John

 

mopa wrote:
> I was just reading this story about a carburetor that can make a car
> run a thousand miles to a gallon, but the automobile industry paid off
> the investors with millions of dollars to secure those patents, and
> then burired those patents and never used the technology?
>
> But the thing is it would cost the automotive industry billions of
> dollars in profits. Now thats very messed up, but I don't blame them.
> They want money!
>
> What role does a carburetor have anyways? honestly, is there anyway a
> carburetor could allow us to burn our gas slowly, so we could save gas,
> but still be able to drive at our road speeds? and have gas last much
> longer?
>
> Very interesting stuff
>


A bunch of urban legend BS. Your time would be better spent studying
the laws of thermodynamics instead of reading unsubstantianed crap.

John

 

mopa wrote:

> The problem is the automobile industry is the largest in the country.
> It's great that people got jobs, but hell, these guys who own these
> companies are actually just having people lose their job. Thousands of
> good hard-working-busting-their-*** guys have worked, and lost their
> jobs. The automobile industry, must have a contract with the oil
> industry, and do a lot of *** kissing for eachother, so they can both
> enjoy the billions.
>

Actually electronics surpassed automobiles some time ago.

You are a naive fool, plump for the picking by any conspiracy theory or
crackpot of the hour. Unfortunately, history is chock full of gullible
masses.

John

 

mopa wrote:

> The problem is the automobile industry is the largest in the country.
> It's great that people got jobs, but hell, these guys who own these
> companies are actually just having people lose their job. Thousands of
> good hard-working-busting-their-*** guys have worked, and lost their
> jobs. The automobile industry, must have a contract with the oil
> industry, and do a lot of *** kissing for eachother, so they can both
> enjoy the billions.
>

Actually electronics surpassed automobiles some time ago.

You are a naive fool, plump for the picking by any conspiracy theory or
crackpot of the hour. Unfortunately, history is chock full of gullible
masses.

John

 

Rich,

Yeah, I remember. Back in 2000 I was in NYC for Christmas, and gas was
only about $1.26 and that is pretty cheap for New York.

----

TeGGeR, gas is always more in Hapeville, which is right outside Forest
Park. Hapeville is where the Atlanta Airport is located, and the gas is
always cheaper.

Say right now in Hapeville if the gas is $2.30, in north Georgia near
the smaller cities gas ia about $2.05

It's very weird how they setup those gas prices, but they do.