Matt Ion wrote:
> jim beam wrote:
>
> >> I love my Accord, but I'd take a WRX any day
> >
> >
> > i tested one of the early wrx's, and it didn't impress me. it's quick
> > enough, but doesn't corner like a honda. on balance, i think that
> > matters more.
>
> Perhaps. Depends on where and how you're driving. The thing I miss
> most about my old GLC is the RWD for cornering on the dirt roads 'back
> home' - you just can't power-slide in a FWD

Forgot to add, 4 wheel drifts in Impreza are controllable due to 50/50
torque split
between the axles. I guess I'll miss that if I get a Civic Si. You just
can't have it all...
Unless you get an Evo!!!

Controllable drifts? Check.
Razorblade steering precision? Check!
Decent shifter? Check.
Gobs of power? Check.
Affordability? Can't have it all after all.

 

On 19 Jun 2006 15:57:59 -0700, "Body Roll" <aglyport@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>Matt Ion wrote:
>> jim beam wrote:
>>
>> >> I love my Accord, but I'd take a WRX any day
>> >
>> >
>> > i tested one of the early wrx's, and it didn't impress me. it's quick
>> > enough, but doesn't corner like a honda. on balance, i think that
>> > matters more.
>>
>> Perhaps. Depends on where and how you're driving. The thing I miss
>> most about my old GLC is the RWD for cornering on the dirt roads 'back
>> home' - you just can't power-slide in a FWD
>
>Forgot to add, 4 wheel drifts in Impreza are controllable due to 50/50
>torque split
>between the axles. I guess I'll miss that if I get a Civic Si. You just
>can't have it all...
>Unless you get an Evo!!!
>
>Controllable drifts? Check.
>Razorblade steering precision? Check!
>Decent shifter? Check.
>Gobs of power? Check.
>Affordability? Can't have it all after all.
reliability...
build quality...
maintaince

the evo's are terrible for road use, especially the higher h ones
(anything over about 280) Major service on them is something like
15-20k miles

 

On 19 Jun 2006 15:57:59 -0700, "Body Roll" <aglyport@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>Matt Ion wrote:
>> jim beam wrote:
>>
>> >> I love my Accord, but I'd take a WRX any day
>> >
>> >
>> > i tested one of the early wrx's, and it didn't impress me. it's quick
>> > enough, but doesn't corner like a honda. on balance, i think that
>> > matters more.
>>
>> Perhaps. Depends on where and how you're driving. The thing I miss
>> most about my old GLC is the RWD for cornering on the dirt roads 'back
>> home' - you just can't power-slide in a FWD
>
>Forgot to add, 4 wheel drifts in Impreza are controllable due to 50/50
>torque split
>between the axles. I guess I'll miss that if I get a Civic Si. You just
>can't have it all...
>Unless you get an Evo!!!
>
>Controllable drifts? Check.
>Razorblade steering precision? Check!
>Decent shifter? Check.
>Gobs of power? Check.
>Affordability? Can't have it all after all.
reliability...
build quality...
maintaince

the evo's are terrible for road use, especially the higher h ones
(anything over about 280) Major service on them is something like
15-20k miles

 

On 19 Jun 2006 15:57:59 -0700, "Body Roll" <aglyport@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>Matt Ion wrote:
>> jim beam wrote:
>>
>> >> I love my Accord, but I'd take a WRX any day
>> >
>> >
>> > i tested one of the early wrx's, and it didn't impress me. it's quick
>> > enough, but doesn't corner like a honda. on balance, i think that
>> > matters more.
>>
>> Perhaps. Depends on where and how you're driving. The thing I miss
>> most about my old GLC is the RWD for cornering on the dirt roads 'back
>> home' - you just can't power-slide in a FWD
>
>Forgot to add, 4 wheel drifts in Impreza are controllable due to 50/50
>torque split
>between the axles. I guess I'll miss that if I get a Civic Si. You just
>can't have it all...
>Unless you get an Evo!!!
>
>Controllable drifts? Check.
>Razorblade steering precision? Check!
>Decent shifter? Check.
>Gobs of power? Check.
>Affordability? Can't have it all after all.
reliability...
build quality...
maintaince

the evo's are terrible for road use, especially the higher h ones
(anything over about 280) Major service on them is something like
15-20k miles

 

flobert wrote:
> On 19 Jun 2006 15:57:59 -0700, "Body Roll" <aglyport@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >Matt Ion wrote:
> >> jim beam wrote:
> >>
> >> >> I love my Accord, but I'd take a WRX any day
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > i tested one of the early wrx's, and it didn't impress me. it's quick
> >> > enough, but doesn't corner like a honda. on balance, i think that
> >> > matters more.
> >>
> >> Perhaps. Depends on where and how you're driving. The thing I miss
> >> most about my old GLC is the RWD for cornering on the dirt roads 'back
> >> home' - you just can't power-slide in a FWD
> >
> >Forgot to add, 4 wheel drifts in Impreza are controllable due to 50/50
> >torque split
> >between the axles. I guess I'll miss that if I get a Civic Si. You just
> >can't have it all...
> >Unless you get an Evo!!!
> >
> >Controllable drifts? Check.
> >Razorblade steering precision? Check!
> >Decent shifter? Check.
> >Gobs of power? Check.
> >Affordability? Can't have it all after all.
> reliability...
> build quality...
> maintaince
>
> the evo's are terrible for road use, especially the higher h ones
> (anything over about 280) Major service on them is something like
> 15-20k miles

Hmm, the warranty is 5 years/60k miles. Unless they prove that you
raced it
I don't see how you can get into much trouble. Except with LEO :-)

 

flobert wrote:
> On 19 Jun 2006 15:57:59 -0700, "Body Roll" <aglyport@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >Matt Ion wrote:
> >> jim beam wrote:
> >>
> >> >> I love my Accord, but I'd take a WRX any day
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > i tested one of the early wrx's, and it didn't impress me. it's quick
> >> > enough, but doesn't corner like a honda. on balance, i think that
> >> > matters more.
> >>
> >> Perhaps. Depends on where and how you're driving. The thing I miss
> >> most about my old GLC is the RWD for cornering on the dirt roads 'back
> >> home' - you just can't power-slide in a FWD
> >
> >Forgot to add, 4 wheel drifts in Impreza are controllable due to 50/50
> >torque split
> >between the axles. I guess I'll miss that if I get a Civic Si. You just
> >can't have it all...
> >Unless you get an Evo!!!
> >
> >Controllable drifts? Check.
> >Razorblade steering precision? Check!
> >Decent shifter? Check.
> >Gobs of power? Check.
> >Affordability? Can't have it all after all.
> reliability...
> build quality...
> maintaince
>
> the evo's are terrible for road use, especially the higher h ones
> (anything over about 280) Major service on them is something like
> 15-20k miles

Hmm, the warranty is 5 years/60k miles. Unless they prove that you
raced it
I don't see how you can get into much trouble. Except with LEO :-)

 

flobert wrote:
> On 19 Jun 2006 15:57:59 -0700, "Body Roll" <aglyport@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >Matt Ion wrote:
> >> jim beam wrote:
> >>
> >> >> I love my Accord, but I'd take a WRX any day
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > i tested one of the early wrx's, and it didn't impress me. it's quick
> >> > enough, but doesn't corner like a honda. on balance, i think that
> >> > matters more.
> >>
> >> Perhaps. Depends on where and how you're driving. The thing I miss
> >> most about my old GLC is the RWD for cornering on the dirt roads 'back
> >> home' - you just can't power-slide in a FWD
> >
> >Forgot to add, 4 wheel drifts in Impreza are controllable due to 50/50
> >torque split
> >between the axles. I guess I'll miss that if I get a Civic Si. You just
> >can't have it all...
> >Unless you get an Evo!!!
> >
> >Controllable drifts? Check.
> >Razorblade steering precision? Check!
> >Decent shifter? Check.
> >Gobs of power? Check.
> >Affordability? Can't have it all after all.
> reliability...
> build quality...
> maintaince
>
> the evo's are terrible for road use, especially the higher h ones
> (anything over about 280) Major service on them is something like
> 15-20k miles

Hmm, the warranty is 5 years/60k miles. Unless they prove that you
raced it
I don't see how you can get into much trouble. Except with LEO :-)

 

On 19 Jun 2006 21:07:06 -0700, "Body Roll" <aglyport@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>flobert wrote:
>> On 19 Jun 2006 15:57:59 -0700, "Body Roll" <aglyport@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >Matt Ion wrote:
<snip>
>> >Unless you get an Evo!!!
>> >
>> >Controllable drifts? Check.
>> >Razorblade steering precision? Check!
>> >Decent shifter? Check.
>> >Gobs of power? Check.
>> >Affordability? Can't have it all after all.
>> reliability...
>> build quality...
>> maintaince
>>
>> the evo's are terrible for road use, especially the higher h ones
>> (anything over about 280) Major service on them is something like
>> 15-20k miles
>
>Hmm, the warranty is 5 years/60k miles. Unless they prove that you
>raced it
>I don't see how you can get into much trouble. Except with LEO :-)

As the british Motoring Journalist Jeremy Clarckson has found out,
Warentees have their down sides too.

His ford GT has been in quite a few times now, and whilst its been in,
whats he got to replce it from the dealer... a ford focus estate
diesel (station wagon)

imagine you take your FQ400 in, because its broken again, and whilst
its being worked on, you get some boring small bottom of the rage
loaner. Still happy about your buy? Still happy when it seems you
drive the laoners more than the car you bought?

 

On 19 Jun 2006 21:07:06 -0700, "Body Roll" <aglyport@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>flobert wrote:
>> On 19 Jun 2006 15:57:59 -0700, "Body Roll" <aglyport@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >Matt Ion wrote:
<snip>
>> >Unless you get an Evo!!!
>> >
>> >Controllable drifts? Check.
>> >Razorblade steering precision? Check!
>> >Decent shifter? Check.
>> >Gobs of power? Check.
>> >Affordability? Can't have it all after all.
>> reliability...
>> build quality...
>> maintaince
>>
>> the evo's are terrible for road use, especially the higher h ones
>> (anything over about 280) Major service on them is something like
>> 15-20k miles
>
>Hmm, the warranty is 5 years/60k miles. Unless they prove that you
>raced it
>I don't see how you can get into much trouble. Except with LEO :-)

As the british Motoring Journalist Jeremy Clarckson has found out,
Warentees have their down sides too.

His ford GT has been in quite a few times now, and whilst its been in,
whats he got to replce it from the dealer... a ford focus estate
diesel (station wagon)

imagine you take your FQ400 in, because its broken again, and whilst
its being worked on, you get some boring small bottom of the rage
loaner. Still happy about your buy? Still happy when it seems you
drive the laoners more than the car you bought?

 

On 19 Jun 2006 21:07:06 -0700, "Body Roll" <aglyport@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>flobert wrote:
>> On 19 Jun 2006 15:57:59 -0700, "Body Roll" <aglyport@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >Matt Ion wrote:
<snip>
>> >Unless you get an Evo!!!
>> >
>> >Controllable drifts? Check.
>> >Razorblade steering precision? Check!
>> >Decent shifter? Check.
>> >Gobs of power? Check.
>> >Affordability? Can't have it all after all.
>> reliability...
>> build quality...
>> maintaince
>>
>> the evo's are terrible for road use, especially the higher h ones
>> (anything over about 280) Major service on them is something like
>> 15-20k miles
>
>Hmm, the warranty is 5 years/60k miles. Unless they prove that you
>raced it
>I don't see how you can get into much trouble. Except with LEO :-)

As the british Motoring Journalist Jeremy Clarckson has found out,
Warentees have their down sides too.

His ford GT has been in quite a few times now, and whilst its been in,
whats he got to replce it from the dealer... a ford focus estate
diesel (station wagon)

imagine you take your FQ400 in, because its broken again, and whilst
its being worked on, you get some boring small bottom of the rage
loaner. Still happy about your buy? Still happy when it seems you
drive the laoners more than the car you bought?

 

I picked up my Fit 07 this evening. I got the Sport Auto. Had to wait
almost 2 months for it! Drives well, the engine seems to rev up a bit
when starting up. Ride is a bit firm - comparable to a 1992 2 door
civic. Seats are firm, but very supporting and one gets used to them
real fast.
Visibility is excellent as is handling.

I paid $399 - dealer conveyance fee over the MSRP. If I'd waited, or
shopped around a bit I might have saved part of that - but I wanted the
car sight unseen.

No misgivings so far (touch wood!)

flobert wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Jun 2006 21:37:25 -0400, "G-Man" <shoot.digital@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >My son and I test drove a WRX a few months ago when we were shopping for a
> >new car for him for graduation.
> >
> >Fast? Oh yeah.
> >
> >But it was put together like the cheapo civic DX and even shutting the doors
> >sounded tinny. The inside was nothing to write home about. I guess if you
> >want raw power, it's for you. Personally I like a balance of both.
>
> They're designed, based on the trim level/spec to be a road legal
> track car. As such creature comforts that add weight, like the
> soundproofing, and all that, are taken out.
>
> friend of a friend ran a hillclimb car (60's mini) - you had to wear
> radio headsets inside your helmets to talk between the ocupants,
> because it was too noisy otherwise. Thats how such cars are.
>
> Drove a Metro 6R4 groupB rally car from the early/mid 80s a few yewars
> back, you couldn't hear anything in that thing, and it was fast as
> hell - 80's civic hatchback size, 450+hp, and 4WD. was banned from
> rallys for being too fast and so too dangerous. At the time, they were
> able to lap silverstone in them within about 10-15 seconds of the
> formula1 cars. but noisy - hell yeah!
>
> >
> >He ended up getting an EX-V6 4 door Accord 6-Spd.
> >
> >G-Man
> >
> >
> >"Spaz" <yea@right.com> wrote in message
> >news:rc-dnTUEbNHSOQjZnZ2dnUVZ_t6dnZ2d@comcast.com...
> >> And here it is!!!!
> >>
> >> http://www.mazdausa.com/MusaWeb/disp...er=upcomingMS3
> >>
> >> BYE BYE, HONDA FIT!!!!
> >>
> >

 

I picked up my Fit 07 this evening. I got the Sport Auto. Had to wait
almost 2 months for it! Drives well, the engine seems to rev up a bit
when starting up. Ride is a bit firm - comparable to a 1992 2 door
civic. Seats are firm, but very supporting and one gets used to them
real fast.
Visibility is excellent as is handling.

I paid $399 - dealer conveyance fee over the MSRP. If I'd waited, or
shopped around a bit I might have saved part of that - but I wanted the
car sight unseen.

No misgivings so far (touch wood!)

flobert wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Jun 2006 21:37:25 -0400, "G-Man" <shoot.digital@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >My son and I test drove a WRX a few months ago when we were shopping for a
> >new car for him for graduation.
> >
> >Fast? Oh yeah.
> >
> >But it was put together like the cheapo civic DX and even shutting the doors
> >sounded tinny. The inside was nothing to write home about. I guess if you
> >want raw power, it's for you. Personally I like a balance of both.
>
> They're designed, based on the trim level/spec to be a road legal
> track car. As such creature comforts that add weight, like the
> soundproofing, and all that, are taken out.
>
> friend of a friend ran a hillclimb car (60's mini) - you had to wear
> radio headsets inside your helmets to talk between the ocupants,
> because it was too noisy otherwise. Thats how such cars are.
>
> Drove a Metro 6R4 groupB rally car from the early/mid 80s a few yewars
> back, you couldn't hear anything in that thing, and it was fast as
> hell - 80's civic hatchback size, 450+hp, and 4WD. was banned from
> rallys for being too fast and so too dangerous. At the time, they were
> able to lap silverstone in them within about 10-15 seconds of the
> formula1 cars. but noisy - hell yeah!
>
> >
> >He ended up getting an EX-V6 4 door Accord 6-Spd.
> >
> >G-Man
> >
> >
> >"Spaz" <yea@right.com> wrote in message
> >news:rc-dnTUEbNHSOQjZnZ2dnUVZ_t6dnZ2d@comcast.com...
> >> And here it is!!!!
> >>
> >> http://www.mazdausa.com/MusaWeb/disp...er=upcomingMS3
> >>
> >> BYE BYE, HONDA FIT!!!!
> >>
> >

 

I picked up my Fit 07 this evening. I got the Sport Auto. Had to wait
almost 2 months for it! Drives well, the engine seems to rev up a bit
when starting up. Ride is a bit firm - comparable to a 1992 2 door
civic. Seats are firm, but very supporting and one gets used to them
real fast.
Visibility is excellent as is handling.

I paid $399 - dealer conveyance fee over the MSRP. If I'd waited, or
shopped around a bit I might have saved part of that - but I wanted the
car sight unseen.

No misgivings so far (touch wood!)

flobert wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Jun 2006 21:37:25 -0400, "G-Man" <shoot.digital@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >My son and I test drove a WRX a few months ago when we were shopping for a
> >new car for him for graduation.
> >
> >Fast? Oh yeah.
> >
> >But it was put together like the cheapo civic DX and even shutting the doors
> >sounded tinny. The inside was nothing to write home about. I guess if you
> >want raw power, it's for you. Personally I like a balance of both.
>
> They're designed, based on the trim level/spec to be a road legal
> track car. As such creature comforts that add weight, like the
> soundproofing, and all that, are taken out.
>
> friend of a friend ran a hillclimb car (60's mini) - you had to wear
> radio headsets inside your helmets to talk between the ocupants,
> because it was too noisy otherwise. Thats how such cars are.
>
> Drove a Metro 6R4 groupB rally car from the early/mid 80s a few yewars
> back, you couldn't hear anything in that thing, and it was fast as
> hell - 80's civic hatchback size, 450+hp, and 4WD. was banned from
> rallys for being too fast and so too dangerous. At the time, they were
> able to lap silverstone in them within about 10-15 seconds of the
> formula1 cars. but noisy - hell yeah!
>
> >
> >He ended up getting an EX-V6 4 door Accord 6-Spd.
> >
> >G-Man
> >
> >
> >"Spaz" <yea@right.com> wrote in message
> >news:rc-dnTUEbNHSOQjZnZ2dnUVZ_t6dnZ2d@comcast.com...
> >> And here it is!!!!
> >>
> >> http://www.mazdausa.com/MusaWeb/disp...er=upcomingMS3
> >>
> >> BYE BYE, HONDA FIT!!!!
> >>
> >

 

On 19 Jun 2006 21:07:06 -0700, "Body Roll" <aglyport@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>flobert wrote:
>> On 19 Jun 2006 15:57:59 -0700, "Body Roll" <aglyport@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >Matt Ion wrote:
>> >> jim beam wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >> I love my Accord, but I'd take a WRX any day
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > i tested one of the early wrx's, and it didn't impress me. it's quick
>> >> > enough, but doesn't corner like a honda. on balance, i think that
>> >> > matters more.
>> >>
>> >> Perhaps. Depends on where and how you're driving. The thing I miss
>> >> most about my old GLC is the RWD for cornering on the dirt roads 'back
>> >> home' - you just can't power-slide in a FWD
>> >
>> >Forgot to add, 4 wheel drifts in Impreza are controllable due to 50/50
>> >torque split
>> >between the axles. I guess I'll miss that if I get a Civic Si. You just
>> >can't have it all...
>> >Unless you get an Evo!!!
>> >
>> >Controllable drifts? Check.
>> >Razorblade steering precision? Check!
>> >Decent shifter? Check.
>> >Gobs of power? Check.
>> >Affordability? Can't have it all after all.
>> reliability...
>> build quality...
>> maintaince
>>
>> the evo's are terrible for road use, especially the higher h ones
>> (anything over about 280) Major service on them is something like
>> 15-20k miles
>
>Hmm, the warranty is 5 years/60k miles. Unless they prove that you
>raced it
>I don't see how you can get into much trouble. Except with LEO :-)

I recall an article (WSJ?) on how some car companies (and I think
Mitsubishi was specifically mentioned) would take note of participants
in all racing events down to the autocross level and deny any warranty
claims based on participation.

 

On 19 Jun 2006 21:07:06 -0700, "Body Roll" <aglyport@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>flobert wrote:
>> On 19 Jun 2006 15:57:59 -0700, "Body Roll" <aglyport@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >Matt Ion wrote:
>> >> jim beam wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >> I love my Accord, but I'd take a WRX any day
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > i tested one of the early wrx's, and it didn't impress me. it's quick
>> >> > enough, but doesn't corner like a honda. on balance, i think that
>> >> > matters more.
>> >>
>> >> Perhaps. Depends on where and how you're driving. The thing I miss
>> >> most about my old GLC is the RWD for cornering on the dirt roads 'back
>> >> home' - you just can't power-slide in a FWD
>> >
>> >Forgot to add, 4 wheel drifts in Impreza are controllable due to 50/50
>> >torque split
>> >between the axles. I guess I'll miss that if I get a Civic Si. You just
>> >can't have it all...
>> >Unless you get an Evo!!!
>> >
>> >Controllable drifts? Check.
>> >Razorblade steering precision? Check!
>> >Decent shifter? Check.
>> >Gobs of power? Check.
>> >Affordability? Can't have it all after all.
>> reliability...
>> build quality...
>> maintaince
>>
>> the evo's are terrible for road use, especially the higher h ones
>> (anything over about 280) Major service on them is something like
>> 15-20k miles
>
>Hmm, the warranty is 5 years/60k miles. Unless they prove that you
>raced it
>I don't see how you can get into much trouble. Except with LEO :-)

I recall an article (WSJ?) on how some car companies (and I think
Mitsubishi was specifically mentioned) would take note of participants
in all racing events down to the autocross level and deny any warranty
claims based on participation.