Re: buying recommendation 94 Accord LX Wagon
 

<webmaster@tfy.com> wrote
> I used "Clean" as vehicle condition to get the Edmunds
lists Private
> Party True Market Value at $3697. If I use "Average", the
> Edmunds
> lists Private Party True Market Value at $2,739. At
> rough, the TMV is
> $2,232.

Interesting how well these jive with your numbers. IOW,
deducting the cost of all the repairs except the TB (so
assume about $900, by my count) from the seller's current
asking price of $3600 puts the price at $2700. Figure
another $600 for the timing belt and we're down to $2100.

> The car looks very very nice on the exterior and interior
> though.
>
> I will have to think it over a bit and get some quotes
> from private
> mechanics on the repairs.
>
> I will talk to the owner after I get some more
> information. My feeling
> is that she won't drop very far though, but, I will try to
> persuade
> her.

Maybe she's thinking she can find a buyer who won't be so
thorough.

I hope you find some other leads. More options is always
better. :-)

Re: buying recommendation 94 Accord LX Wagon
 

Elle wrote:
>
> <webmaster@tfy.com> wrote
> >I just went for an inspection on the 94 Accord LX Wagon at
> >a Honda
> > Dealership.
> >
> > Here is a list of the major items found and their quoted
> > repair costs:
> >
> > Left Outer CV Boot ($150)
> > Right Axle Assembly (shaft) ($250)
> > Right Outer Tie Rod End Loose ($50 or $150 (can't read
> > quote))
>
> The part costs about $28 from online OEM parts places like
> www.slhonda.com . Add another $7 for shipping. I understand
> it's pretty easy to replace. Could be just $50 total, but
> you should double check.
>
> Good for you for spotting the steering problem and then
> Honda finding the cause (hopefully).
>
> > Brakes:
> > Front Brake Pads 3mm
> > Rear Brake Pads 7mm
> > The dealer says front brakes need to be replaced pretty
> > quick, while
> > rear brakes may last a bit.
> >
> >
> > Other Items should be replaced:
> > New Dome Light Bulb
> > Wiper Blades
> > Battery
> > Air Filter
> > Muffler (owner says it's under warranty and she can have
> > it replaced
> > for me for free)
> >
> > They said the front right pull is due to the loose Front
> > Right Tie Rod.
> > After fixing the Tie Rod, they said an alignment would be
> > necessary. I
> > guess that is $100 or so.
>
> Correct. My local dealer wants $80, IIRC from speaking with
> them a week ago.
>
> > I am trying to get quotes from different shops on repairs.
> > One shop
> > quoted %$500 to $600 on the Timing Belt.
> >
> > But with the Timing Belt and the other problems, looks
> > like I might
> > need to spend at least $800.
> >
> > The owner lowered her price to $3600. I think she should
> > go lower
> > though.
> >
> > Edmunds lists Private Party True Market Value at $3697.
>
> What "Vehicle condition" did you put in for this price?
>
> Of the five categories of "vehicle condition," I think this
> 94 Accord LX qualifies as being somewhere between "Average"
> and "Rough" in condition. Edmunds gives info on what it
> means for each category.
>
> If the timing belt did not need replacement, I'd say it's
> "average," from what you've written (though I can't remember
> the body and interior condition).
>
> > To what degree
> > are these repairs accounted for in the Edmunds price? Any
> > suggestions
> > on a fair price to pay considering the repairs?
>
> I think I'd be happy with something between the "rough" and
> "average" condition prices.
>
> On the other hand, how badly do you want the car? How likely
> is it that someone else might come along and pay what the
> seller is currently asking? Is the seller getting
> exasperated? (Not sure how experienced you are at
> negotiating something like this. You don't want her to just
> tell you to get lost. You're being thorough, and that's
> great.)
>
> That's my two cents. Average it with the other responses
> here. :-)


I would seriously look for another car. Keeripes! That car seems to
have more issues than my (non running at the time) project car which
only cost $100...

JT

Re: buying recommendation 94 Accord LX Wagon
 

Elle wrote:
>
> <webmaster@tfy.com> wrote
> >I just went for an inspection on the 94 Accord LX Wagon at
> >a Honda
> > Dealership.
> >
> > Here is a list of the major items found and their quoted
> > repair costs:
> >
> > Left Outer CV Boot ($150)
> > Right Axle Assembly (shaft) ($250)
> > Right Outer Tie Rod End Loose ($50 or $150 (can't read
> > quote))
>
> The part costs about $28 from online OEM parts places like
> www.slhonda.com . Add another $7 for shipping. I understand
> it's pretty easy to replace. Could be just $50 total, but
> you should double check.
>
> Good for you for spotting the steering problem and then
> Honda finding the cause (hopefully).
>
> > Brakes:
> > Front Brake Pads 3mm
> > Rear Brake Pads 7mm
> > The dealer says front brakes need to be replaced pretty
> > quick, while
> > rear brakes may last a bit.
> >
> >
> > Other Items should be replaced:
> > New Dome Light Bulb
> > Wiper Blades
> > Battery
> > Air Filter
> > Muffler (owner says it's under warranty and she can have
> > it replaced
> > for me for free)
> >
> > They said the front right pull is due to the loose Front
> > Right Tie Rod.
> > After fixing the Tie Rod, they said an alignment would be
> > necessary. I
> > guess that is $100 or so.
>
> Correct. My local dealer wants $80, IIRC from speaking with
> them a week ago.
>
> > I am trying to get quotes from different shops on repairs.
> > One shop
> > quoted %$500 to $600 on the Timing Belt.
> >
> > But with the Timing Belt and the other problems, looks
> > like I might
> > need to spend at least $800.
> >
> > The owner lowered her price to $3600. I think she should
> > go lower
> > though.
> >
> > Edmunds lists Private Party True Market Value at $3697.
>
> What "Vehicle condition" did you put in for this price?
>
> Of the five categories of "vehicle condition," I think this
> 94 Accord LX qualifies as being somewhere between "Average"
> and "Rough" in condition. Edmunds gives info on what it
> means for each category.
>
> If the timing belt did not need replacement, I'd say it's
> "average," from what you've written (though I can't remember
> the body and interior condition).
>
> > To what degree
> > are these repairs accounted for in the Edmunds price? Any
> > suggestions
> > on a fair price to pay considering the repairs?
>
> I think I'd be happy with something between the "rough" and
> "average" condition prices.
>
> On the other hand, how badly do you want the car? How likely
> is it that someone else might come along and pay what the
> seller is currently asking? Is the seller getting
> exasperated? (Not sure how experienced you are at
> negotiating something like this. You don't want her to just
> tell you to get lost. You're being thorough, and that's
> great.)
>
> That's my two cents. Average it with the other responses
> here. :-)


I would seriously look for another car. Keeripes! That car seems to
have more issues than my (non running at the time) project car which
only cost $100...

JT

Re: buying recommendation 94 Accord LX Wagon
 

Elle wrote:
>
> <webmaster@tfy.com> wrote
> >I just went for an inspection on the 94 Accord LX Wagon at
> >a Honda
> > Dealership.
> >
> > Here is a list of the major items found and their quoted
> > repair costs:
> >
> > Left Outer CV Boot ($150)
> > Right Axle Assembly (shaft) ($250)
> > Right Outer Tie Rod End Loose ($50 or $150 (can't read
> > quote))
>
> The part costs about $28 from online OEM parts places like
> www.slhonda.com . Add another $7 for shipping. I understand
> it's pretty easy to replace. Could be just $50 total, but
> you should double check.
>
> Good for you for spotting the steering problem and then
> Honda finding the cause (hopefully).
>
> > Brakes:
> > Front Brake Pads 3mm
> > Rear Brake Pads 7mm
> > The dealer says front brakes need to be replaced pretty
> > quick, while
> > rear brakes may last a bit.
> >
> >
> > Other Items should be replaced:
> > New Dome Light Bulb
> > Wiper Blades
> > Battery
> > Air Filter
> > Muffler (owner says it's under warranty and she can have
> > it replaced
> > for me for free)
> >
> > They said the front right pull is due to the loose Front
> > Right Tie Rod.
> > After fixing the Tie Rod, they said an alignment would be
> > necessary. I
> > guess that is $100 or so.
>
> Correct. My local dealer wants $80, IIRC from speaking with
> them a week ago.
>
> > I am trying to get quotes from different shops on repairs.
> > One shop
> > quoted %$500 to $600 on the Timing Belt.
> >
> > But with the Timing Belt and the other problems, looks
> > like I might
> > need to spend at least $800.
> >
> > The owner lowered her price to $3600. I think she should
> > go lower
> > though.
> >
> > Edmunds lists Private Party True Market Value at $3697.
>
> What "Vehicle condition" did you put in for this price?
>
> Of the five categories of "vehicle condition," I think this
> 94 Accord LX qualifies as being somewhere between "Average"
> and "Rough" in condition. Edmunds gives info on what it
> means for each category.
>
> If the timing belt did not need replacement, I'd say it's
> "average," from what you've written (though I can't remember
> the body and interior condition).
>
> > To what degree
> > are these repairs accounted for in the Edmunds price? Any
> > suggestions
> > on a fair price to pay considering the repairs?
>
> I think I'd be happy with something between the "rough" and
> "average" condition prices.
>
> On the other hand, how badly do you want the car? How likely
> is it that someone else might come along and pay what the
> seller is currently asking? Is the seller getting
> exasperated? (Not sure how experienced you are at
> negotiating something like this. You don't want her to just
> tell you to get lost. You're being thorough, and that's
> great.)
>
> That's my two cents. Average it with the other responses
> here. :-)


I would seriously look for another car. Keeripes! That car seems to
have more issues than my (non running at the time) project car which
only cost $100...

JT

Re: buying recommendation 94 Accord LX Wagon
 

"Grumpy AuContraire" <Grumpster@GrumpyvilleNOT.com> wrote
> Elle wrote:
>>
>> <webmaster@tfy.com> wrote
>> >I just went for an inspection on the 94 Accord LX Wagon
>> >at
>> >a Honda
>> > Dealership.
>> >
>> > Here is a list of the major items found and their
>> > quoted
>> > repair costs:
>> >
>> > Left Outer CV Boot ($150)
>> > Right Axle Assembly (shaft) ($250)
>> > Right Outer Tie Rod End Loose ($50 or $150 (can't read
>> > quote))
>>
>> The part costs about $28 from online OEM parts places
>> like
>> www.slhonda.com . Add another $7 for shipping. I
>> understand
>> it's pretty easy to replace. Could be just $50 total, but
>> you should double check.
>>
>> Good for you for spotting the steering problem and then
>> Honda finding the cause (hopefully).
>>
>> > Brakes:
>> > Front Brake Pads 3mm
>> > Rear Brake Pads 7mm
>> > The dealer says front brakes need to be replaced pretty
>> > quick, while
>> > rear brakes may last a bit.
>> >
>> >
>> > Other Items should be replaced:
>> > New Dome Light Bulb
>> > Wiper Blades
>> > Battery
>> > Air Filter
>> > Muffler (owner says it's under warranty and she can
>> > have
>> > it replaced
>> > for me for free)
>> >
>> > They said the front right pull is due to the loose
>> > Front
>> > Right Tie Rod.
>> > After fixing the Tie Rod, they said an alignment would
>> > be
>> > necessary. I
>> > guess that is $100 or so.
>>
>> Correct. My local dealer wants $80, IIRC from speaking
>> with
>> them a week ago.
>>
>> > I am trying to get quotes from different shops on
>> > repairs.
>> > One shop
>> > quoted %$500 to $600 on the Timing Belt.
>> >
>> > But with the Timing Belt and the other problems, looks
>> > like I might
>> > need to spend at least $800.
>> >
>> > The owner lowered her price to $3600. I think she
>> > should
>> > go lower
>> > though.
>> >
>> > Edmunds lists Private Party True Market Value at $3697.
>>
>> What "Vehicle condition" did you put in for this price?
>>
>> Of the five categories of "vehicle condition," I think
>> this
>> 94 Accord LX qualifies as being somewhere between
>> "Average"
>> and "Rough" in condition. Edmunds gives info on what it
>> means for each category.
>>
>> If the timing belt did not need replacement, I'd say it's
>> "average," from what you've written (though I can't
>> remember
>> the body and interior condition).
>>
>> > To what degree
>> > are these repairs accounted for in the Edmunds price?
>> > Any
>> > suggestions
>> > on a fair price to pay considering the repairs?
>>
>> I think I'd be happy with something between the "rough"
>> and
>> "average" condition prices.
>>
>> On the other hand, how badly do you want the car? How
>> likely
>> is it that someone else might come along and pay what the
>> seller is currently asking? Is the seller getting
>> exasperated? (Not sure how experienced you are at
>> negotiating something like this. You don't want her to
>> just
>> tell you to get lost. You're being thorough, and that's
>> great.)
>>
>> That's my two cents. Average it with the other responses
>> here. :-)
>
>
> I would seriously look for another car. Keeripes! That
> car seems to
> have more issues than my (non running at the time) project
> car which
> only cost $100...

This 94 Accord LX has very usual problems that are also,
IMO, nickel and dime stuff. The CV boot and axle are the
most serious items, IMO. Yet those problems come up here all
the time.

If there were serious engine problems, like a blown head
gasket or bad engine compression, then I'd be worried.

Re: buying recommendation 94 Accord LX Wagon
 

"Grumpy AuContraire" <Grumpster@GrumpyvilleNOT.com> wrote
> Elle wrote:
>>
>> <webmaster@tfy.com> wrote
>> >I just went for an inspection on the 94 Accord LX Wagon
>> >at
>> >a Honda
>> > Dealership.
>> >
>> > Here is a list of the major items found and their
>> > quoted
>> > repair costs:
>> >
>> > Left Outer CV Boot ($150)
>> > Right Axle Assembly (shaft) ($250)
>> > Right Outer Tie Rod End Loose ($50 or $150 (can't read
>> > quote))
>>
>> The part costs about $28 from online OEM parts places
>> like
>> www.slhonda.com . Add another $7 for shipping. I
>> understand
>> it's pretty easy to replace. Could be just $50 total, but
>> you should double check.
>>
>> Good for you for spotting the steering problem and then
>> Honda finding the cause (hopefully).
>>
>> > Brakes:
>> > Front Brake Pads 3mm
>> > Rear Brake Pads 7mm
>> > The dealer says front brakes need to be replaced pretty
>> > quick, while
>> > rear brakes may last a bit.
>> >
>> >
>> > Other Items should be replaced:
>> > New Dome Light Bulb
>> > Wiper Blades
>> > Battery
>> > Air Filter
>> > Muffler (owner says it's under warranty and she can
>> > have
>> > it replaced
>> > for me for free)
>> >
>> > They said the front right pull is due to the loose
>> > Front
>> > Right Tie Rod.
>> > After fixing the Tie Rod, they said an alignment would
>> > be
>> > necessary. I
>> > guess that is $100 or so.
>>
>> Correct. My local dealer wants $80, IIRC from speaking
>> with
>> them a week ago.
>>
>> > I am trying to get quotes from different shops on
>> > repairs.
>> > One shop
>> > quoted %$500 to $600 on the Timing Belt.
>> >
>> > But with the Timing Belt and the other problems, looks
>> > like I might
>> > need to spend at least $800.
>> >
>> > The owner lowered her price to $3600. I think she
>> > should
>> > go lower
>> > though.
>> >
>> > Edmunds lists Private Party True Market Value at $3697.
>>
>> What "Vehicle condition" did you put in for this price?
>>
>> Of the five categories of "vehicle condition," I think
>> this
>> 94 Accord LX qualifies as being somewhere between
>> "Average"
>> and "Rough" in condition. Edmunds gives info on what it
>> means for each category.
>>
>> If the timing belt did not need replacement, I'd say it's
>> "average," from what you've written (though I can't
>> remember
>> the body and interior condition).
>>
>> > To what degree
>> > are these repairs accounted for in the Edmunds price?
>> > Any
>> > suggestions
>> > on a fair price to pay considering the repairs?
>>
>> I think I'd be happy with something between the "rough"
>> and
>> "average" condition prices.
>>
>> On the other hand, how badly do you want the car? How
>> likely
>> is it that someone else might come along and pay what the
>> seller is currently asking? Is the seller getting
>> exasperated? (Not sure how experienced you are at
>> negotiating something like this. You don't want her to
>> just
>> tell you to get lost. You're being thorough, and that's
>> great.)
>>
>> That's my two cents. Average it with the other responses
>> here. :-)
>
>
> I would seriously look for another car. Keeripes! That
> car seems to
> have more issues than my (non running at the time) project
> car which
> only cost $100...

This 94 Accord LX has very usual problems that are also,
IMO, nickel and dime stuff. The CV boot and axle are the
most serious items, IMO. Yet those problems come up here all
the time.

If there were serious engine problems, like a blown head
gasket or bad engine compression, then I'd be worried.

Re: buying recommendation 94 Accord LX Wagon
 

"Grumpy AuContraire" <Grumpster@GrumpyvilleNOT.com> wrote
> Elle wrote:
>>
>> <webmaster@tfy.com> wrote
>> >I just went for an inspection on the 94 Accord LX Wagon
>> >at
>> >a Honda
>> > Dealership.
>> >
>> > Here is a list of the major items found and their
>> > quoted
>> > repair costs:
>> >
>> > Left Outer CV Boot ($150)
>> > Right Axle Assembly (shaft) ($250)
>> > Right Outer Tie Rod End Loose ($50 or $150 (can't read
>> > quote))
>>
>> The part costs about $28 from online OEM parts places
>> like
>> www.slhonda.com . Add another $7 for shipping. I
>> understand
>> it's pretty easy to replace. Could be just $50 total, but
>> you should double check.
>>
>> Good for you for spotting the steering problem and then
>> Honda finding the cause (hopefully).
>>
>> > Brakes:
>> > Front Brake Pads 3mm
>> > Rear Brake Pads 7mm
>> > The dealer says front brakes need to be replaced pretty
>> > quick, while
>> > rear brakes may last a bit.
>> >
>> >
>> > Other Items should be replaced:
>> > New Dome Light Bulb
>> > Wiper Blades
>> > Battery
>> > Air Filter
>> > Muffler (owner says it's under warranty and she can
>> > have
>> > it replaced
>> > for me for free)
>> >
>> > They said the front right pull is due to the loose
>> > Front
>> > Right Tie Rod.
>> > After fixing the Tie Rod, they said an alignment would
>> > be
>> > necessary. I
>> > guess that is $100 or so.
>>
>> Correct. My local dealer wants $80, IIRC from speaking
>> with
>> them a week ago.
>>
>> > I am trying to get quotes from different shops on
>> > repairs.
>> > One shop
>> > quoted %$500 to $600 on the Timing Belt.
>> >
>> > But with the Timing Belt and the other problems, looks
>> > like I might
>> > need to spend at least $800.
>> >
>> > The owner lowered her price to $3600. I think she
>> > should
>> > go lower
>> > though.
>> >
>> > Edmunds lists Private Party True Market Value at $3697.
>>
>> What "Vehicle condition" did you put in for this price?
>>
>> Of the five categories of "vehicle condition," I think
>> this
>> 94 Accord LX qualifies as being somewhere between
>> "Average"
>> and "Rough" in condition. Edmunds gives info on what it
>> means for each category.
>>
>> If the timing belt did not need replacement, I'd say it's
>> "average," from what you've written (though I can't
>> remember
>> the body and interior condition).
>>
>> > To what degree
>> > are these repairs accounted for in the Edmunds price?
>> > Any
>> > suggestions
>> > on a fair price to pay considering the repairs?
>>
>> I think I'd be happy with something between the "rough"
>> and
>> "average" condition prices.
>>
>> On the other hand, how badly do you want the car? How
>> likely
>> is it that someone else might come along and pay what the
>> seller is currently asking? Is the seller getting
>> exasperated? (Not sure how experienced you are at
>> negotiating something like this. You don't want her to
>> just
>> tell you to get lost. You're being thorough, and that's
>> great.)
>>
>> That's my two cents. Average it with the other responses
>> here. :-)
>
>
> I would seriously look for another car. Keeripes! That
> car seems to
> have more issues than my (non running at the time) project
> car which
> only cost $100...

This 94 Accord LX has very usual problems that are also,
IMO, nickel and dime stuff. The CV boot and axle are the
most serious items, IMO. Yet those problems come up here all
the time.

If there were serious engine problems, like a blown head
gasket or bad engine compression, then I'd be worried.

Re: buying recommendation 94 Accord LX Wagon
 

I agree. The CV boots are normal and total repairs are minimal. My only
concern would be that normal maintenance has not been done over the life of
the car and more problems may be appearing soon. Although the car may have
started exhibiting a few minor problems and the owner just didn't want to
even check into getting them fixed. We live in a throw away society where
it is better to buy new than fix what you've got.

"Elle" <honda.lioness@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:5tWlg.8569$o4.2398@newsread2.news.pas.earthli nk.net...
> "Grumpy AuContraire" <Grumpster@GrumpyvilleNOT.com> wrote
>> Elle wrote:
>>>
>>> <webmaster@tfy.com> wrote
>>> >I just went for an inspection on the 94 Accord LX Wagon at
>>> >a Honda
>>> > Dealership.
>>> >
>>> > Here is a list of the major items found and their quoted
>>> > repair costs:
>>> >
>>> > Left Outer CV Boot ($150)
>>> > Right Axle Assembly (shaft) ($250)
>>> > Right Outer Tie Rod End Loose ($50 or $150 (can't read
>>> > quote))
>>>
>>> The part costs about $28 from online OEM parts places like
>>> www.slhonda.com . Add another $7 for shipping. I understand
>>> it's pretty easy to replace. Could be just $50 total, but
>>> you should double check.
>>>
>>> Good for you for spotting the steering problem and then
>>> Honda finding the cause (hopefully).
>>>
>>> > Brakes:
>>> > Front Brake Pads 3mm
>>> > Rear Brake Pads 7mm
>>> > The dealer says front brakes need to be replaced pretty
>>> > quick, while
>>> > rear brakes may last a bit.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Other Items should be replaced:
>>> > New Dome Light Bulb
>>> > Wiper Blades
>>> > Battery
>>> > Air Filter
>>> > Muffler (owner says it's under warranty and she can have
>>> > it replaced
>>> > for me for free)
>>> >
>>> > They said the front right pull is due to the loose Front
>>> > Right Tie Rod.
>>> > After fixing the Tie Rod, they said an alignment would be
>>> > necessary. I
>>> > guess that is $100 or so.
>>>
>>> Correct. My local dealer wants $80, IIRC from speaking with
>>> them a week ago.
>>>
>>> > I am trying to get quotes from different shops on repairs.
>>> > One shop
>>> > quoted %$500 to $600 on the Timing Belt.
>>> >
>>> > But with the Timing Belt and the other problems, looks
>>> > like I might
>>> > need to spend at least $800.
>>> >
>>> > The owner lowered her price to $3600. I think she should
>>> > go lower
>>> > though.
>>> >
>>> > Edmunds lists Private Party True Market Value at $3697.
>>>
>>> What "Vehicle condition" did you put in for this price?
>>>
>>> Of the five categories of "vehicle condition," I think this
>>> 94 Accord LX qualifies as being somewhere between "Average"
>>> and "Rough" in condition. Edmunds gives info on what it
>>> means for each category.
>>>
>>> If the timing belt did not need replacement, I'd say it's
>>> "average," from what you've written (though I can't remember
>>> the body and interior condition).
>>>
>>> > To what degree
>>> > are these repairs accounted for in the Edmunds price? Any
>>> > suggestions
>>> > on a fair price to pay considering the repairs?
>>>
>>> I think I'd be happy with something between the "rough" and
>>> "average" condition prices.
>>>
>>> On the other hand, how badly do you want the car? How likely
>>> is it that someone else might come along and pay what the
>>> seller is currently asking? Is the seller getting
>>> exasperated? (Not sure how experienced you are at
>>> negotiating something like this. You don't want her to just
>>> tell you to get lost. You're being thorough, and that's
>>> great.)
>>>
>>> That's my two cents. Average it with the other responses
>>> here. :-)
>>
>>
>> I would seriously look for another car. Keeripes! That car seems to
>> have more issues than my (non running at the time) project car which
>> only cost $100...
>
> This 94 Accord LX has very usual problems that are also, IMO, nickel and
> dime stuff. The CV boot and axle are the most serious items, IMO. Yet
> those problems come up here all the time.
>
> If there were serious engine problems, like a blown head gasket or bad
> engine compression, then I'd be worried.
>

Re: buying recommendation 94 Accord LX Wagon
 

I agree. The CV boots are normal and total repairs are minimal. My only
concern would be that normal maintenance has not been done over the life of
the car and more problems may be appearing soon. Although the car may have
started exhibiting a few minor problems and the owner just didn't want to
even check into getting them fixed. We live in a throw away society where
it is better to buy new than fix what you've got.

"Elle" <honda.lioness@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> "Grumpy AuContraire" <Grumpster@GrumpyvilleNOT.com> wrote
>> Elle wrote:
>>>
>>> <webmaster@tfy.com> wrote
>>> >I just went for an inspection on the 94 Accord LX Wagon at
>>> >a Honda
>>> > Dealership.
>>> >
>>> > Here is a list of the major items found and their quoted
>>> > repair costs:
>>> >
>>> > Left Outer CV Boot ($150)
>>> > Right Axle Assembly (shaft) ($250)
>>> > Right Outer Tie Rod End Loose ($50 or $150 (can't read
>>> > quote))
>>>
>>> The part costs about $28 from online OEM parts places like
>>> www.slhonda.com . Add another $7 for shipping. I understand
>>> it's pretty easy to replace. Could be just $50 total, but
>>> you should double check.
>>>
>>> Good for you for spotting the steering problem and then
>>> Honda finding the cause (hopefully).
>>>
>>> > Brakes:
>>> > Front Brake Pads 3mm
>>> > Rear Brake Pads 7mm
>>> > The dealer says front brakes need to be replaced pretty
>>> > quick, while
>>> > rear brakes may last a bit.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Other Items should be replaced:
>>> > New Dome Light Bulb
>>> > Wiper Blades
>>> > Battery
>>> > Air Filter
>>> > Muffler (owner says it's under warranty and she can have
>>> > it replaced
>>> > for me for free)
>>> >
>>> > They said the front right pull is due to the loose Front
>>> > Right Tie Rod.
>>> > After fixing the Tie Rod, they said an alignment would be
>>> > necessary. I
>>> > guess that is $100 or so.
>>>
>>> Correct. My local dealer wants $80, IIRC from speaking with
>>> them a week ago.
>>>
>>> > I am trying to get quotes from different shops on repairs.
>>> > One shop
>>> > quoted %$500 to $600 on the Timing Belt.
>>> >
>>> > But with the Timing Belt and the other problems, looks
>>> > like I might
>>> > need to spend at least $800.
>>> >
>>> > The owner lowered her price to $3600. I think she should
>>> > go lower
>>> > though.
>>> >
>>> > Edmunds lists Private Party True Market Value at $3697.
>>>
>>> What "Vehicle condition" did you put in for this price?
>>>
>>> Of the five categories of "vehicle condition," I think this
>>> 94 Accord LX qualifies as being somewhere between "Average"
>>> and "Rough" in condition. Edmunds gives info on what it
>>> means for each category.
>>>
>>> If the timing belt did not need replacement, I'd say it's
>>> "average," from what you've written (though I can't remember
>>> the body and interior condition).
>>>
>>> > To what degree
>>> > are these repairs accounted for in the Edmunds price? Any
>>> > suggestions
>>> > on a fair price to pay considering the repairs?
>>>
>>> I think I'd be happy with something between the "rough" and
>>> "average" condition prices.
>>>
>>> On the other hand, how badly do you want the car? How likely
>>> is it that someone else might come along and pay what the
>>> seller is currently asking? Is the seller getting
>>> exasperated? (Not sure how experienced you are at
>>> negotiating something like this. You don't want her to just
>>> tell you to get lost. You're being thorough, and that's
>>> great.)
>>>
>>> That's my two cents. Average it with the other responses
>>> here. :-)
>>
>>
>> I would seriously look for another car. Keeripes! That car seems to
>> have more issues than my (non running at the time) project car which
>> only cost $100...
>
> This 94 Accord LX has very usual problems that are also, IMO, nickel and
> dime stuff. The CV boot and axle are the most serious items, IMO. Yet
> those problems come up here all the time.
>
> If there were serious engine problems, like a blown head gasket or bad
> engine compression, then I'd be worried.
>

Re: buying recommendation 94 Accord LX Wagon
 

I agree. The CV boots are normal and total repairs are minimal. My only
concern would be that normal maintenance has not been done over the life of
the car and more problems may be appearing soon. Although the car may have
started exhibiting a few minor problems and the owner just didn't want to
even check into getting them fixed. We live in a throw away society where
it is better to buy new than fix what you've got.

"Elle" <honda.lioness@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:5tWlg.8569$o4.2398@newsread2.news.pas.earthli nk.net...
> "Grumpy AuContraire" <Grumpster@GrumpyvilleNOT.com> wrote
>> Elle wrote:
>>>
>>> <webmaster@tfy.com> wrote
>>> >I just went for an inspection on the 94 Accord LX Wagon at
>>> >a Honda
>>> > Dealership.
>>> >
>>> > Here is a list of the major items found and their quoted
>>> > repair costs:
>>> >
>>> > Left Outer CV Boot ($150)
>>> > Right Axle Assembly (shaft) ($250)
>>> > Right Outer Tie Rod End Loose ($50 or $150 (can't read
>>> > quote))
>>>
>>> The part costs about $28 from online OEM parts places like
>>> www.slhonda.com . Add another $7 for shipping. I understand
>>> it's pretty easy to replace. Could be just $50 total, but
>>> you should double check.
>>>
>>> Good for you for spotting the steering problem and then
>>> Honda finding the cause (hopefully).
>>>
>>> > Brakes:
>>> > Front Brake Pads 3mm
>>> > Rear Brake Pads 7mm
>>> > The dealer says front brakes need to be replaced pretty
>>> > quick, while
>>> > rear brakes may last a bit.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Other Items should be replaced:
>>> > New Dome Light Bulb
>>> > Wiper Blades
>>> > Battery
>>> > Air Filter
>>> > Muffler (owner says it's under warranty and she can have
>>> > it replaced
>>> > for me for free)
>>> >
>>> > They said the front right pull is due to the loose Front
>>> > Right Tie Rod.
>>> > After fixing the Tie Rod, they said an alignment would be
>>> > necessary. I
>>> > guess that is $100 or so.
>>>
>>> Correct. My local dealer wants $80, IIRC from speaking with
>>> them a week ago.
>>>
>>> > I am trying to get quotes from different shops on repairs.
>>> > One shop
>>> > quoted %$500 to $600 on the Timing Belt.
>>> >
>>> > But with the Timing Belt and the other problems, looks
>>> > like I might
>>> > need to spend at least $800.
>>> >
>>> > The owner lowered her price to $3600. I think she should
>>> > go lower
>>> > though.
>>> >
>>> > Edmunds lists Private Party True Market Value at $3697.
>>>
>>> What "Vehicle condition" did you put in for this price?
>>>
>>> Of the five categories of "vehicle condition," I think this
>>> 94 Accord LX qualifies as being somewhere between "Average"
>>> and "Rough" in condition. Edmunds gives info on what it
>>> means for each category.
>>>
>>> If the timing belt did not need replacement, I'd say it's
>>> "average," from what you've written (though I can't remember
>>> the body and interior condition).
>>>
>>> > To what degree
>>> > are these repairs accounted for in the Edmunds price? Any
>>> > suggestions
>>> > on a fair price to pay considering the repairs?
>>>
>>> I think I'd be happy with something between the "rough" and
>>> "average" condition prices.
>>>
>>> On the other hand, how badly do you want the car? How likely
>>> is it that someone else might come along and pay what the
>>> seller is currently asking? Is the seller getting
>>> exasperated? (Not sure how experienced you are at
>>> negotiating something like this. You don't want her to just
>>> tell you to get lost. You're being thorough, and that's
>>> great.)
>>>
>>> That's my two cents. Average it with the other responses
>>> here. :-)
>>
>>
>> I would seriously look for another car. Keeripes! That car seems to
>> have more issues than my (non running at the time) project car which
>> only cost $100...
>
> This 94 Accord LX has very usual problems that are also, IMO, nickel and
> dime stuff. The CV boot and axle are the most serious items, IMO. Yet
> those problems come up here all the time.
>
> If there were serious engine problems, like a blown head gasket or bad
> engine compression, then I'd be worried.
>

Re: buying recommendation 94 Accord LX Wagon
 

"Patrick" <p.j.hughes@sbcglobal(dot)net> wrote
>I agree. The CV boots are normal and total repairs are
>minimal. My only concern would be that normal maintenance
>has not been done over the life of the car and more
>problems may be appearing soon. Although the car may have
>started exhibiting a few minor problems and the owner just
>didn't want to even check into getting them fixed. We live
>in a throw away society where it is better to buy new than
>fix what you've got.

To clarify what I think you're saying: We live in a society
where people /think/ it is better to buy new than fix what
they've got.

In fact, from a financial standpoint for cars, it is often
less expensive to fix the car than replace it.

Kills me when people say, "The cost of repairing my old car
was going to be $1500. Car's only worth $1000!" What the old
car is worth is completely irrelevant. The issue on which
they should focus is cost of repair and subsequent expected
life vs. cost to replace entirely.

Of course, if someone does not have time to take his/her
older car to the shop now and then, it may pay to buy new.
But that's getting subjective.

Re: buying recommendation 94 Accord LX Wagon
 

"Patrick" <p.j.hughes@sbcglobal(dot)net> wrote
>I agree. The CV boots are normal and total repairs are
>minimal. My only concern would be that normal maintenance
>has not been done over the life of the car and more
>problems may be appearing soon. Although the car may have
>started exhibiting a few minor problems and the owner just
>didn't want to even check into getting them fixed. We live
>in a throw away society where it is better to buy new than
>fix what you've got.

To clarify what I think you're saying: We live in a society
where people /think/ it is better to buy new than fix what
they've got.

In fact, from a financial standpoint for cars, it is often
less expensive to fix the car than replace it.

Kills me when people say, "The cost of repairing my old car
was going to be $1500. Car's only worth $1000!" What the old
car is worth is completely irrelevant. The issue on which
they should focus is cost of repair and subsequent expected
life vs. cost to replace entirely.

Of course, if someone does not have time to take his/her
older car to the shop now and then, it may pay to buy new.
But that's getting subjective.

Re: buying recommendation 94 Accord LX Wagon
 

"Patrick" <p.j.hughes@sbcglobal(dot)net> wrote
>I agree. The CV boots are normal and total repairs are
>minimal. My only concern would be that normal maintenance
>has not been done over the life of the car and more
>problems may be appearing soon. Although the car may have
>started exhibiting a few minor problems and the owner just
>didn't want to even check into getting them fixed. We live
>in a throw away society where it is better to buy new than
>fix what you've got.

To clarify what I think you're saying: We live in a society
where people /think/ it is better to buy new than fix what
they've got.

In fact, from a financial standpoint for cars, it is often
less expensive to fix the car than replace it.

Kills me when people say, "The cost of repairing my old car
was going to be $1500. Car's only worth $1000!" What the old
car is worth is completely irrelevant. The issue on which
they should focus is cost of repair and subsequent expected
life vs. cost to replace entirely.

Of course, if someone does not have time to take his/her
older car to the shop now and then, it may pay to buy new.
But that's getting subjective.

Re: buying recommendation 94 Accord LX Wagon
 

That is what I meant. A car is worth the value it provides which is
transportation. People want to act like a car is an asset but it isn't so
it shouldn't matter that you have to spend $1500 in repair for a $1000 car.

I believe in trying to "drive a car into the ground". For me means when the
car is having to go in the shop too frequently for unscheduled repairs it is
time to get rid of it.


"Elle" <honda.lioness@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> "Patrick" <p.j.hughes@sbcglobal(dot)net> wrote
>>I agree. The CV boots are normal and total repairs are minimal. My only
>>concern would be that normal maintenance has not been done over the life
>>of the car and more problems may be appearing soon. Although the car may
>>have started exhibiting a few minor problems and the owner just didn't
>>want to even check into getting them fixed. We live in a throw away
>>society where it is better to buy new than fix what you've got.
>
> To clarify what I think you're saying: We live in a society where people
> /think/ it is better to buy new than fix what they've got.
>
> In fact, from a financial standpoint for cars, it is often less expensive
> to fix the car than replace it.
>
> Kills me when people say, "The cost of repairing my old car was going to
> be $1500. Car's only worth $1000!" What the old car is worth is completely
> irrelevant. The issue on which they should focus is cost of repair and
> subsequent expected life vs. cost to replace entirely.
>
> Of course, if someone does not have time to take his/her older car to the
> shop now and then, it may pay to buy new. But that's getting subjective.
>

Re: buying recommendation 94 Accord LX Wagon
 

That is what I meant. A car is worth the value it provides which is
transportation. People want to act like a car is an asset but it isn't so
it shouldn't matter that you have to spend $1500 in repair for a $1000 car.

I believe in trying to "drive a car into the ground". For me means when the
car is having to go in the shop too frequently for unscheduled repairs it is
time to get rid of it.


"Elle" <honda.lioness@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:t0%lg.8721$lf4.2180@newsread1.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
> "Patrick" <p.j.hughes@sbcglobal(dot)net> wrote
>>I agree. The CV boots are normal and total repairs are minimal. My only
>>concern would be that normal maintenance has not been done over the life
>>of the car and more problems may be appearing soon. Although the car may
>>have started exhibiting a few minor problems and the owner just didn't
>>want to even check into getting them fixed. We live in a throw away
>>society where it is better to buy new than fix what you've got.
>
> To clarify what I think you're saying: We live in a society where people
> /think/ it is better to buy new than fix what they've got.
>
> In fact, from a financial standpoint for cars, it is often less expensive
> to fix the car than replace it.
>
> Kills me when people say, "The cost of repairing my old car was going to
> be $1500. Car's only worth $1000!" What the old car is worth is completely
> irrelevant. The issue on which they should focus is cost of repair and
> subsequent expected life vs. cost to replace entirely.
>
> Of course, if someone does not have time to take his/her older car to the
> shop now and then, it may pay to buy new. But that's getting subjective.
>