Thank you very much Bob and Elle.

I will make a checklist of the points you mentioned and try to find an
import shop mechanic for quotes on the repairs.

I will post back as soon with what I find out.


Elle wrote:
> <webmaster@tfy.com> wrote
> > The person selling the car says that she does not know if
> > the timing
> > belt has been changed or not. Apparently, the car
> > belonged to her
> > mother who is now elderly and has stopped driving.
> > Besides regular oil
> > changes, she does not remember her mother doing any
> > service on the car
> > so she tends to think that the timing belt has not been
> > changed.
> >
> > I asked for maintenance records, but she said that except
> > for some
> > receipts for tires that were put on not long ago, there
> > were no
> > maintenance records for the car.
> >
> > At what mileage is the timing belt supposed to be changed?
>
> For the 94 Accord, for "normal driving," the timing belt
> should be replaced every 90k miles or six years, whichever
> comes first. For "severe driving," the belt is supposed to
> be changed every 60k miles, period. "Severe driving"
> includes driving in dusty conditions; lots of short distance
> driving; driving in extreme cold; and the like.
>
> Autozone.com has a free online repair manual for this
> Accord. For the full maintenance schedule ( = frequency of
> replacing various basic things), see
> http://autozone.com/servlet/UiBroker...3d800cf09c.jsp
>
> > If it has
> > not been changed, can it be changed now in order to extend
> > the life of
> > the car?
>
> Absolutely. The only concern by not replacing it is that it
> could break at any time. Timing belts not changed at the
> Honda specified interval do break.
>
> If the timing belt breaks, the engine repairs may run into
> the thousands of dollars.
>
> > Without any service records, can the shop mechanic tell
> > whether or not it has been changed?
>
> Some clues that it has been changed may be evident, but, no,
> not really.
>
> > One thing the owner did say is that the "boots" may need
> > to be
> > replaced. She said her mechanic told her it would cost
> > $200 to do.
> > She said she would be willing to deduct the repair cost
> > from the sales
> > price.
>
> She most likely means CV boots. One can look under the car
> where the axle joins the wheel and see these roughly 1-inch
> to 3-inch normally sturdy looking rubber cones. If they have
> tears, they need to be replaced immediately, lest dirt and
> water ingress into the CV joint, leading to a much more
> expensive repair. It's not an unusual repair. Happens maybe
> every 8 years or so, depending on where and I suppose how
> one drives.
>
> > I asked about the coolant situation. She said there were
> > no leaks that
> > she knew of, but I will try to take it for a 30 min ride
> > as you advise
> > to make sure.
>
> Look for the coolant reservoir, and check its level, too. If
> you're not sure where it is, ask. Or, assuming you know
> where the radiator is (at the front, under the hood), follow
> the small (around 3/8-inch diameter) rubber hose attaching
> to the radiator fill neck (just under the radiator cap) to
> the reservoir bottle. It has a lid on it through which one
> may add more coolant.
>
> > I understand an inspection from a mechanic is important.
> > My friend
> > recommended a mechanic, but I don't know if he specializes
> > in imports.
> > Is it absolutely necessary to have it checked by an import
> > shop
> > mechanic?
>
> No, it's not. You might want to start a relationship with an
> import shop, though, especially since you know about the CV
> boots. Maybe call around and see how much they want in your
> area to replace them with new, genuine Honda ones. Call the
> local Honda dealer service department, too, for an estimate.
> Ask all also how much to do a timing belt, and what all that
> would include. It should include a new water pump, new shaft
> oil seals (like Bob said), among other things, too.
>
> Do not buy aftermarket parts for the CV boots. Buy only
> genuine Honda parts. If you wish, you can buy them online at
> a great price and take them to the shop for them to use.
>
> You might want to get the Edmunds.com used car appraiser
> price, then deduct the roughly $500 (like NE Bob estimated)
> for the timing belt and X dollars, depending on what local
> import shops say, for the boots.
>
> I agree with all else NE Ohio Bob says, too: Look for rust,
> etc.
>
> Any doubts or concerns, feel free to ask here. Plenty of
> others with good experience may chime in, so keep checking
> back. Make a list of things you want to check up close, then
> follow up.
>
> > Elle wrote:
> >> <webmaster@tfy.com> wrote
> >> >I recently saw a 1994 Accord LX Wagon for sale by a
> >> >private
> >> >party with
> >> > a 106k miles on it. Asking price was $3900. It looks
> >> > very
> >> > clean.
> >> >
> >> > I am looking for a car that can last a year without any
> >> > major repairs.
> >> >
> >> > I was wondering if anyone has any comments on whether
> >> > or
> >> > not it is a
> >> > good idea to buy a 94 Accord with this many miles on
> >> > it?
> >> >
> >> > How many miles can a 94 Accord go before it needs a
> >> > major
> >> > repairs?
> >>
> >> 106k miles is typically mid-life for a c. 1990s Honda
> >> //assuming// it's been maintained.
> >>
> >> Seems like this newsgroup's most frequently reported used
> >> car major problem is serious cooling system leak. The
> >> sellers sell them knowing this is a problem but mask it,
> >> and
> >> unload it to unsavvy buyers. Drive the car for at least a
> >> half hour locally; maybe 15 minutes on the highway. Check
> >> the coolant reservoir level at the beginning, mid-way
> >> through and at the end.
> >>
> >> Obtain maintenance records if at all possible. When was
> >> this
> >> car's timing belt last changed?
> >>
> >> Consider paying an import shop mechanic to do a check of
> >> the
> >> car. S/he should look at the brakes, cooling system,
> >> tranny,
> >> etc., catching things you might easily miss. It's $50 or
> >> so
> >> well spent.
> >>
> >> edmunds.com has a used car appraiser (by mileage, general
> >> condition, geographic location, dealer price, private
> >> party
> >> price, etc.) that might be helpful in pricing.
> >

 

I learned from a CarFax history report that the 94 Accord Wagon had
been serviced several times at a local Honda Dealership. I called the
dealership and spoke with the mechanic. He was able to look up the car
in their system and learned that it had been serviced three times, but
they only had record of one problem. For that situation, he said the
car was taken in for service because the ABS warning light. I am not
quite sure what they did, but apparently, he said something like they
turned off the computer and restarted it, and the ABS warning light did
not come back on. Since it did not come back on, it appears it was not
a problem. This service was recorded in 2001. He did say that if
there was a problem with the ABS it would cost $600 to replace.

He had no record of the timing chain being replaced on the car. He
said it would cost $800 to replace the timing chain, water pump and
related items. He also said it would cost $175 to replace the CV boot
on one axle.

I talked to the seller and they said the Credit Union they belong to
quoted the sales price of the car at $4100. Edmunds lists the Private
Party TMV at $3697. NADA lists it at $3975.

To compensate for the CV boots replacement, she said she already
lowered the price for the car to $3900. The seller asked her mechanic
about the timing chain replacement and was advised that it may or may
not be changed. She sounds reluctant to lower the price to compensate
for the timing chain replacement. I told her about the Edmunds TMV but
the seller sounds she will only go with what her Credit Union told her
for car value.

I was going to take it for a test drive tomorrow and if that goes ok,
an inspection.

The Honda Dealership said they would inspect the car for $80. A couple
of friends recommended local mechanics, I am not sure whether they are
experienced in Imports though.

I thought it would be best to take the car to the Honda Dealership for
the inspection though. Am I right?

I will call the other mechanics to get repair quotes for the timing
chain and CV Boots also.

Elle mentioned that the CV boots require Genuine Honda Parts. Do all
shop mechanics have access to them?

Thanks again.




webmaster@tfy.com wrote:
> Thank you very much Bob and Elle.
>
> I will make a checklist of the points you mentioned and try to find an
> import shop mechanic for quotes on the repairs.
>
> I will post back as soon with what I find out.
>
>
> Elle wrote:
> > <webmaster@tfy.com> wrote
> > > The person selling the car says that she does not know if
> > > the timing
> > > belt has been changed or not. Apparently, the car
> > > belonged to her
> > > mother who is now elderly and has stopped driving.
> > > Besides regular oil
> > > changes, she does not remember her mother doing any
> > > service on the car
> > > so she tends to think that the timing belt has not been
> > > changed.
> > >
> > > I asked for maintenance records, but she said that except
> > > for some
> > > receipts for tires that were put on not long ago, there
> > > were no
> > > maintenance records for the car.
> > >
> > > At what mileage is the timing belt supposed to be changed?
> >
> > For the 94 Accord, for "normal driving," the timing belt
> > should be replaced every 90k miles or six years, whichever
> > comes first. For "severe driving," the belt is supposed to
> > be changed every 60k miles, period. "Severe driving"
> > includes driving in dusty conditions; lots of short distance
> > driving; driving in extreme cold; and the like.
> >
> > Autozone.com has a free online repair manual for this
> > Accord. For the full maintenance schedule ( = frequency of
> > replacing various basic things), see
> > http://autozone.com/servlet/UiBroker...3d800cf09c.jsp
> >
> > > If it has
> > > not been changed, can it be changed now in order to extend
> > > the life of
> > > the car?
> >
> > Absolutely. The only concern by not replacing it is that it
> > could break at any time. Timing belts not changed at the
> > Honda specified interval do break.
> >
> > If the timing belt breaks, the engine repairs may run into
> > the thousands of dollars.
> >
> > > Without any service records, can the shop mechanic tell
> > > whether or not it has been changed?
> >
> > Some clues that it has been changed may be evident, but, no,
> > not really.
> >
> > > One thing the owner did say is that the "boots" may need
> > > to be
> > > replaced. She said her mechanic told her it would cost
> > > $200 to do.
> > > She said she would be willing to deduct the repair cost
> > > from the sales
> > > price.
> >
> > She most likely means CV boots. One can look under the car
> > where the axle joins the wheel and see these roughly 1-inch
> > to 3-inch normally sturdy looking rubber cones. If they have
> > tears, they need to be replaced immediately, lest dirt and
> > water ingress into the CV joint, leading to a much more
> > expensive repair. It's not an unusual repair. Happens maybe
> > every 8 years or so, depending on where and I suppose how
> > one drives.
> >
> > > I asked about the coolant situation. She said there were
> > > no leaks that
> > > she knew of, but I will try to take it for a 30 min ride
> > > as you advise
> > > to make sure.
> >
> > Look for the coolant reservoir, and check its level, too. If
> > you're not sure where it is, ask. Or, assuming you know
> > where the radiator is (at the front, under the hood), follow
> > the small (around 3/8-inch diameter) rubber hose attaching
> > to the radiator fill neck (just under the radiator cap) to
> > the reservoir bottle. It has a lid on it through which one
> > may add more coolant.
> >
> > > I understand an inspection from a mechanic is important.
> > > My friend
> > > recommended a mechanic, but I don't know if he specializes
> > > in imports.
> > > Is it absolutely necessary to have it checked by an import
> > > shop
> > > mechanic?
> >
> > No, it's not. You might want to start a relationship with an
> > import shop, though, especially since you know about the CV
> > boots. Maybe call around and see how much they want in your
> > area to replace them with new, genuine Honda ones. Call the
> > local Honda dealer service department, too, for an estimate.
> > Ask all also how much to do a timing belt, and what all that
> > would include. It should include a new water pump, new shaft
> > oil seals (like Bob said), among other things, too.
> >
> > Do not buy aftermarket parts for the CV boots. Buy only
> > genuine Honda parts. If you wish, you can buy them online at
> > a great price and take them to the shop for them to use.
> >
> > You might want to get the Edmunds.com used car appraiser
> > price, then deduct the roughly $500 (like NE Bob estimated)
> > for the timing belt and X dollars, depending on what local
> > import shops say, for the boots.
> >
> > I agree with all else NE Ohio Bob says, too: Look for rust,
> > etc.
> >
> > Any doubts or concerns, feel free to ask here. Plenty of
> > others with good experience may chime in, so keep checking
> > back. Make a list of things you want to check up close, then
> > follow up.
> >
> > > Elle wrote:
> > >> <webmaster@tfy.com> wrote
> > >> >I recently saw a 1994 Accord LX Wagon for sale by a
> > >> >private
> > >> >party with
> > >> > a 106k miles on it. Asking price was $3900. It looks
> > >> > very
> > >> > clean.
> > >> >
> > >> > I am looking for a car that can last a year without any
> > >> > major repairs.
> > >> >
> > >> > I was wondering if anyone has any comments on whether
> > >> > or
> > >> > not it is a
> > >> > good idea to buy a 94 Accord with this many miles on
> > >> > it?
> > >> >
> > >> > How many miles can a 94 Accord go before it needs a
> > >> > major
> > >> > repairs?
> > >>
> > >> 106k miles is typically mid-life for a c. 1990s Honda
> > >> //assuming// it's been maintained.
> > >>
> > >> Seems like this newsgroup's most frequently reported used
> > >> car major problem is serious cooling system leak. The
> > >> sellers sell them knowing this is a problem but mask it,
> > >> and
> > >> unload it to unsavvy buyers. Drive the car for at least a
> > >> half hour locally; maybe 15 minutes on the highway. Check
> > >> the coolant reservoir level at the beginning, mid-way
> > >> through and at the end.
> > >>
> > >> Obtain maintenance records if at all possible. When was
> > >> this
> > >> car's timing belt last changed?
> > >>
> > >> Consider paying an import shop mechanic to do a check of
> > >> the
> > >> car. S/he should look at the brakes, cooling system,
> > >> tranny,
> > >> etc., catching things you might easily miss. It's $50 or
> > >> so
> > >> well spent.
> > >>
> > >> edmunds.com has a used car appraiser (by mileage, general
> > >> condition, geographic location, dealer price, private
> > >> party
> > >> price, etc.) that might be helpful in pricing.
> > >

 

I learned from a CarFax history report that the 94 Accord Wagon had
been serviced several times at a local Honda Dealership. I called the
dealership and spoke with the mechanic. He was able to look up the car
in their system and learned that it had been serviced three times, but
they only had record of one problem. For that situation, he said the
car was taken in for service because the ABS warning light. I am not
quite sure what they did, but apparently, he said something like they
turned off the computer and restarted it, and the ABS warning light did
not come back on. Since it did not come back on, it appears it was not
a problem. This service was recorded in 2001. He did say that if
there was a problem with the ABS it would cost $600 to replace.

He had no record of the timing chain being replaced on the car. He
said it would cost $800 to replace the timing chain, water pump and
related items. He also said it would cost $175 to replace the CV boot
on one axle.

I talked to the seller and they said the Credit Union they belong to
quoted the sales price of the car at $4100. Edmunds lists the Private
Party TMV at $3697. NADA lists it at $3975.

To compensate for the CV boots replacement, she said she already
lowered the price for the car to $3900. The seller asked her mechanic
about the timing chain replacement and was advised that it may or may
not be changed. She sounds reluctant to lower the price to compensate
for the timing chain replacement. I told her about the Edmunds TMV but
the seller sounds she will only go with what her Credit Union told her
for car value.

I was going to take it for a test drive tomorrow and if that goes ok,
an inspection.

The Honda Dealership said they would inspect the car for $80. A couple
of friends recommended local mechanics, I am not sure whether they are
experienced in Imports though.

I thought it would be best to take the car to the Honda Dealership for
the inspection though. Am I right?

I will call the other mechanics to get repair quotes for the timing
chain and CV Boots also.

Elle mentioned that the CV boots require Genuine Honda Parts. Do all
shop mechanics have access to them?

Thanks again.




webmaster@tfy.com wrote:
> Thank you very much Bob and Elle.
>
> I will make a checklist of the points you mentioned and try to find an
> import shop mechanic for quotes on the repairs.
>
> I will post back as soon with what I find out.
>
>
> Elle wrote:
> > <webmaster@tfy.com> wrote
> > > The person selling the car says that she does not know if
> > > the timing
> > > belt has been changed or not. Apparently, the car
> > > belonged to her
> > > mother who is now elderly and has stopped driving.
> > > Besides regular oil
> > > changes, she does not remember her mother doing any
> > > service on the car
> > > so she tends to think that the timing belt has not been
> > > changed.
> > >
> > > I asked for maintenance records, but she said that except
> > > for some
> > > receipts for tires that were put on not long ago, there
> > > were no
> > > maintenance records for the car.
> > >
> > > At what mileage is the timing belt supposed to be changed?
> >
> > For the 94 Accord, for "normal driving," the timing belt
> > should be replaced every 90k miles or six years, whichever
> > comes first. For "severe driving," the belt is supposed to
> > be changed every 60k miles, period. "Severe driving"
> > includes driving in dusty conditions; lots of short distance
> > driving; driving in extreme cold; and the like.
> >
> > Autozone.com has a free online repair manual for this
> > Accord. For the full maintenance schedule ( = frequency of
> > replacing various basic things), see
> > http://autozone.com/servlet/UiBroker...3d800cf09c.jsp
> >
> > > If it has
> > > not been changed, can it be changed now in order to extend
> > > the life of
> > > the car?
> >
> > Absolutely. The only concern by not replacing it is that it
> > could break at any time. Timing belts not changed at the
> > Honda specified interval do break.
> >
> > If the timing belt breaks, the engine repairs may run into
> > the thousands of dollars.
> >
> > > Without any service records, can the shop mechanic tell
> > > whether or not it has been changed?
> >
> > Some clues that it has been changed may be evident, but, no,
> > not really.
> >
> > > One thing the owner did say is that the "boots" may need
> > > to be
> > > replaced. She said her mechanic told her it would cost
> > > $200 to do.
> > > She said she would be willing to deduct the repair cost
> > > from the sales
> > > price.
> >
> > She most likely means CV boots. One can look under the car
> > where the axle joins the wheel and see these roughly 1-inch
> > to 3-inch normally sturdy looking rubber cones. If they have
> > tears, they need to be replaced immediately, lest dirt and
> > water ingress into the CV joint, leading to a much more
> > expensive repair. It's not an unusual repair. Happens maybe
> > every 8 years or so, depending on where and I suppose how
> > one drives.
> >
> > > I asked about the coolant situation. She said there were
> > > no leaks that
> > > she knew of, but I will try to take it for a 30 min ride
> > > as you advise
> > > to make sure.
> >
> > Look for the coolant reservoir, and check its level, too. If
> > you're not sure where it is, ask. Or, assuming you know
> > where the radiator is (at the front, under the hood), follow
> > the small (around 3/8-inch diameter) rubber hose attaching
> > to the radiator fill neck (just under the radiator cap) to
> > the reservoir bottle. It has a lid on it through which one
> > may add more coolant.
> >
> > > I understand an inspection from a mechanic is important.
> > > My friend
> > > recommended a mechanic, but I don't know if he specializes
> > > in imports.
> > > Is it absolutely necessary to have it checked by an import
> > > shop
> > > mechanic?
> >
> > No, it's not. You might want to start a relationship with an
> > import shop, though, especially since you know about the CV
> > boots. Maybe call around and see how much they want in your
> > area to replace them with new, genuine Honda ones. Call the
> > local Honda dealer service department, too, for an estimate.
> > Ask all also how much to do a timing belt, and what all that
> > would include. It should include a new water pump, new shaft
> > oil seals (like Bob said), among other things, too.
> >
> > Do not buy aftermarket parts for the CV boots. Buy only
> > genuine Honda parts. If you wish, you can buy them online at
> > a great price and take them to the shop for them to use.
> >
> > You might want to get the Edmunds.com used car appraiser
> > price, then deduct the roughly $500 (like NE Bob estimated)
> > for the timing belt and X dollars, depending on what local
> > import shops say, for the boots.
> >
> > I agree with all else NE Ohio Bob says, too: Look for rust,
> > etc.
> >
> > Any doubts or concerns, feel free to ask here. Plenty of
> > others with good experience may chime in, so keep checking
> > back. Make a list of things you want to check up close, then
> > follow up.
> >
> > > Elle wrote:
> > >> <webmaster@tfy.com> wrote
> > >> >I recently saw a 1994 Accord LX Wagon for sale by a
> > >> >private
> > >> >party with
> > >> > a 106k miles on it. Asking price was $3900. It looks
> > >> > very
> > >> > clean.
> > >> >
> > >> > I am looking for a car that can last a year without any
> > >> > major repairs.
> > >> >
> > >> > I was wondering if anyone has any comments on whether
> > >> > or
> > >> > not it is a
> > >> > good idea to buy a 94 Accord with this many miles on
> > >> > it?
> > >> >
> > >> > How many miles can a 94 Accord go before it needs a
> > >> > major
> > >> > repairs?
> > >>
> > >> 106k miles is typically mid-life for a c. 1990s Honda
> > >> //assuming// it's been maintained.
> > >>
> > >> Seems like this newsgroup's most frequently reported used
> > >> car major problem is serious cooling system leak. The
> > >> sellers sell them knowing this is a problem but mask it,
> > >> and
> > >> unload it to unsavvy buyers. Drive the car for at least a
> > >> half hour locally; maybe 15 minutes on the highway. Check
> > >> the coolant reservoir level at the beginning, mid-way
> > >> through and at the end.
> > >>
> > >> Obtain maintenance records if at all possible. When was
> > >> this
> > >> car's timing belt last changed?
> > >>
> > >> Consider paying an import shop mechanic to do a check of
> > >> the
> > >> car. S/he should look at the brakes, cooling system,
> > >> tranny,
> > >> etc., catching things you might easily miss. It's $50 or
> > >> so
> > >> well spent.
> > >>
> > >> edmunds.com has a used car appraiser (by mileage, general
> > >> condition, geographic location, dealer price, private
> > >> party
> > >> price, etc.) that might be helpful in pricing.
> > >

 

I learned from a CarFax history report that the 94 Accord Wagon had
been serviced several times at a local Honda Dealership. I called the
dealership and spoke with the mechanic. He was able to look up the car
in their system and learned that it had been serviced three times, but
they only had record of one problem. For that situation, he said the
car was taken in for service because the ABS warning light. I am not
quite sure what they did, but apparently, he said something like they
turned off the computer and restarted it, and the ABS warning light did
not come back on. Since it did not come back on, it appears it was not
a problem. This service was recorded in 2001. He did say that if
there was a problem with the ABS it would cost $600 to replace.

He had no record of the timing chain being replaced on the car. He
said it would cost $800 to replace the timing chain, water pump and
related items. He also said it would cost $175 to replace the CV boot
on one axle.

I talked to the seller and they said the Credit Union they belong to
quoted the sales price of the car at $4100. Edmunds lists the Private
Party TMV at $3697. NADA lists it at $3975.

To compensate for the CV boots replacement, she said she already
lowered the price for the car to $3900. The seller asked her mechanic
about the timing chain replacement and was advised that it may or may
not be changed. She sounds reluctant to lower the price to compensate
for the timing chain replacement. I told her about the Edmunds TMV but
the seller sounds she will only go with what her Credit Union told her
for car value.

I was going to take it for a test drive tomorrow and if that goes ok,
an inspection.

The Honda Dealership said they would inspect the car for $80. A couple
of friends recommended local mechanics, I am not sure whether they are
experienced in Imports though.

I thought it would be best to take the car to the Honda Dealership for
the inspection though. Am I right?

I will call the other mechanics to get repair quotes for the timing
chain and CV Boots also.

Elle mentioned that the CV boots require Genuine Honda Parts. Do all
shop mechanics have access to them?

Thanks again.




webmaster@tfy.com wrote:
> Thank you very much Bob and Elle.
>
> I will make a checklist of the points you mentioned and try to find an
> import shop mechanic for quotes on the repairs.
>
> I will post back as soon with what I find out.
>
>
> Elle wrote:
> > <webmaster@tfy.com> wrote
> > > The person selling the car says that she does not know if
> > > the timing
> > > belt has been changed or not. Apparently, the car
> > > belonged to her
> > > mother who is now elderly and has stopped driving.
> > > Besides regular oil
> > > changes, she does not remember her mother doing any
> > > service on the car
> > > so she tends to think that the timing belt has not been
> > > changed.
> > >
> > > I asked for maintenance records, but she said that except
> > > for some
> > > receipts for tires that were put on not long ago, there
> > > were no
> > > maintenance records for the car.
> > >
> > > At what mileage is the timing belt supposed to be changed?
> >
> > For the 94 Accord, for "normal driving," the timing belt
> > should be replaced every 90k miles or six years, whichever
> > comes first. For "severe driving," the belt is supposed to
> > be changed every 60k miles, period. "Severe driving"
> > includes driving in dusty conditions; lots of short distance
> > driving; driving in extreme cold; and the like.
> >
> > Autozone.com has a free online repair manual for this
> > Accord. For the full maintenance schedule ( = frequency of
> > replacing various basic things), see
> > http://autozone.com/servlet/UiBroker...3d800cf09c.jsp
> >
> > > If it has
> > > not been changed, can it be changed now in order to extend
> > > the life of
> > > the car?
> >
> > Absolutely. The only concern by not replacing it is that it
> > could break at any time. Timing belts not changed at the
> > Honda specified interval do break.
> >
> > If the timing belt breaks, the engine repairs may run into
> > the thousands of dollars.
> >
> > > Without any service records, can the shop mechanic tell
> > > whether or not it has been changed?
> >
> > Some clues that it has been changed may be evident, but, no,
> > not really.
> >
> > > One thing the owner did say is that the "boots" may need
> > > to be
> > > replaced. She said her mechanic told her it would cost
> > > $200 to do.
> > > She said she would be willing to deduct the repair cost
> > > from the sales
> > > price.
> >
> > She most likely means CV boots. One can look under the car
> > where the axle joins the wheel and see these roughly 1-inch
> > to 3-inch normally sturdy looking rubber cones. If they have
> > tears, they need to be replaced immediately, lest dirt and
> > water ingress into the CV joint, leading to a much more
> > expensive repair. It's not an unusual repair. Happens maybe
> > every 8 years or so, depending on where and I suppose how
> > one drives.
> >
> > > I asked about the coolant situation. She said there were
> > > no leaks that
> > > she knew of, but I will try to take it for a 30 min ride
> > > as you advise
> > > to make sure.
> >
> > Look for the coolant reservoir, and check its level, too. If
> > you're not sure where it is, ask. Or, assuming you know
> > where the radiator is (at the front, under the hood), follow
> > the small (around 3/8-inch diameter) rubber hose attaching
> > to the radiator fill neck (just under the radiator cap) to
> > the reservoir bottle. It has a lid on it through which one
> > may add more coolant.
> >
> > > I understand an inspection from a mechanic is important.
> > > My friend
> > > recommended a mechanic, but I don't know if he specializes
> > > in imports.
> > > Is it absolutely necessary to have it checked by an import
> > > shop
> > > mechanic?
> >
> > No, it's not. You might want to start a relationship with an
> > import shop, though, especially since you know about the CV
> > boots. Maybe call around and see how much they want in your
> > area to replace them with new, genuine Honda ones. Call the
> > local Honda dealer service department, too, for an estimate.
> > Ask all also how much to do a timing belt, and what all that
> > would include. It should include a new water pump, new shaft
> > oil seals (like Bob said), among other things, too.
> >
> > Do not buy aftermarket parts for the CV boots. Buy only
> > genuine Honda parts. If you wish, you can buy them online at
> > a great price and take them to the shop for them to use.
> >
> > You might want to get the Edmunds.com used car appraiser
> > price, then deduct the roughly $500 (like NE Bob estimated)
> > for the timing belt and X dollars, depending on what local
> > import shops say, for the boots.
> >
> > I agree with all else NE Ohio Bob says, too: Look for rust,
> > etc.
> >
> > Any doubts or concerns, feel free to ask here. Plenty of
> > others with good experience may chime in, so keep checking
> > back. Make a list of things you want to check up close, then
> > follow up.
> >
> > > Elle wrote:
> > >> <webmaster@tfy.com> wrote
> > >> >I recently saw a 1994 Accord LX Wagon for sale by a
> > >> >private
> > >> >party with
> > >> > a 106k miles on it. Asking price was $3900. It looks
> > >> > very
> > >> > clean.
> > >> >
> > >> > I am looking for a car that can last a year without any
> > >> > major repairs.
> > >> >
> > >> > I was wondering if anyone has any comments on whether
> > >> > or
> > >> > not it is a
> > >> > good idea to buy a 94 Accord with this many miles on
> > >> > it?
> > >> >
> > >> > How many miles can a 94 Accord go before it needs a
> > >> > major
> > >> > repairs?
> > >>
> > >> 106k miles is typically mid-life for a c. 1990s Honda
> > >> //assuming// it's been maintained.
> > >>
> > >> Seems like this newsgroup's most frequently reported used
> > >> car major problem is serious cooling system leak. The
> > >> sellers sell them knowing this is a problem but mask it,
> > >> and
> > >> unload it to unsavvy buyers. Drive the car for at least a
> > >> half hour locally; maybe 15 minutes on the highway. Check
> > >> the coolant reservoir level at the beginning, mid-way
> > >> through and at the end.
> > >>
> > >> Obtain maintenance records if at all possible. When was
> > >> this
> > >> car's timing belt last changed?
> > >>
> > >> Consider paying an import shop mechanic to do a check of
> > >> the
> > >> car. S/he should look at the brakes, cooling system,
> > >> tranny,
> > >> etc., catching things you might easily miss. It's $50 or
> > >> so
> > >> well spent.
> > >>
> > >> edmunds.com has a used car appraiser (by mileage, general
> > >> condition, geographic location, dealer price, private
> > >> party
> > >> price, etc.) that might be helpful in pricing.
> > >

 

<webmaster@tfy.com> wrote
>I learned from a CarFax history report that the 94 Accord
>Wagon had
> been serviced several times at a local Honda Dealership.
> I called the
> dealership and spoke with the mechanic. He was able to
> look up the car
> in their system and learned that it had been serviced
> three times, but
> they only had record of one problem. For that situation,
> he said the
> car was taken in for service because the ABS warning
> light. I am not
> quite sure what they did, but apparently, he said
> something like they
> turned off the computer and restarted it, and the ABS
> warning light did
> not come back on. Since it did not come back on, it
> appears it was not
> a problem. This service was recorded in 2001. He did say
> that if
> there was a problem with the ABS it would cost $600 to
> replace.
>
> He had no record of the timing chain being replaced on the
> car. He
> said it would cost $800 to replace the timing chain, water
> pump and
> related items. He also said it would cost $175 to replace
> the CV boot
> on one axle.

Sounds like the usual dealer prices. In other words, a bit
high, but the service should be high quality.

> I talked to the seller and they said the Credit Union they
> belong to
> quoted the sales price of the car at $4100. Edmunds lists
> the Private
> Party TMV at $3697. NADA lists it at $3975.

I would print these out and offer to show them to the
seller.

She does not have to come down in price. But you're being
reasonable. It's worth a try to bring her down, IMO.

> To compensate for the CV boots replacement, she said she
> already
> lowered the price for the car to $3900. The seller asked
> her mechanic
> about the timing chain replacement and was advised that it
> may or may
> not be changed.

It's a belt, not a chain.

Only much newer Hondas have the chain.

I suggest you print out the official Honda maintenance
schedule cited before and show her that the belt is supposed
to be changed every 90k miles/6 years. If it hasn't been
changed, it could break at any moment, quite likely causing
catastrophic and expensive damage. Also google for {"timing
belt" break interference} and print out the most reputable
web sites that speak to this.

If she's never changed the belt before, she's been negligent
in her maintenance. She, not you, should have to pay for
this.

> She sounds reluctant to lower the price to compensate
> for the timing chain replacement. I told her about the
> Edmunds TMV but
> the seller sounds she will only go with what her Credit
> Union told her
> for car value.
>
> I was going to take it for a test drive tomorrow and if
> that goes ok,
> an inspection.

Forgot to mention: On the test drive, listen for clicking
coming from the front axles. This is a symptom of a failed
CV joint. In other words, the boots might have let enough
crud in that the whole joint is failing. That's a lot more
expensive than just the boot.

Here are more suggestions on checking this:
http://tegger.com/hondafaq/faq_ii.html#CVjoints

> The Honda Dealership said they would inspect the car for
> $80. A couple
> of friends recommended local mechanics, I am not sure
> whether they are
> experienced in Imports though.
>
> I thought it would be best to take the car to the Honda
> Dealership for
> the inspection though. Am I right?

Eighty dollars is a fair price, and I agree the Honda
dealership will likely be more savvy about what to check.

> I will call the other mechanics to get repair quotes for
> the timing
> chain and CV Boots also.
>
> Elle mentioned that the CV boots require Genuine Honda
> Parts. Do all
> shop mechanics have access to them?

Not necessarily. What you can do is use an independent shop,
but tell them you want to use genuine Honda parts and will
provide them. Order the parts online from, say,

http://www.hondaautomotiveparts.com/...ry5=DRIVESHAFT

If the seller won't come down in price, I guess you have to
weigh how soon you need the car and the availability of
other ones like it in your area.

If she won't come down for the timing belt, I think I'd
start checking around now, before paying $80 for the
inspection.

Way to be thorough!

 

<webmaster@tfy.com> wrote
>I learned from a CarFax history report that the 94 Accord
>Wagon had
> been serviced several times at a local Honda Dealership.
> I called the
> dealership and spoke with the mechanic. He was able to
> look up the car
> in their system and learned that it had been serviced
> three times, but
> they only had record of one problem. For that situation,
> he said the
> car was taken in for service because the ABS warning
> light. I am not
> quite sure what they did, but apparently, he said
> something like they
> turned off the computer and restarted it, and the ABS
> warning light did
> not come back on. Since it did not come back on, it
> appears it was not
> a problem. This service was recorded in 2001. He did say
> that if
> there was a problem with the ABS it would cost $600 to
> replace.
>
> He had no record of the timing chain being replaced on the
> car. He
> said it would cost $800 to replace the timing chain, water
> pump and
> related items. He also said it would cost $175 to replace
> the CV boot
> on one axle.

Sounds like the usual dealer prices. In other words, a bit
high, but the service should be high quality.

> I talked to the seller and they said the Credit Union they
> belong to
> quoted the sales price of the car at $4100. Edmunds lists
> the Private
> Party TMV at $3697. NADA lists it at $3975.

I would print these out and offer to show them to the
seller.

She does not have to come down in price. But you're being
reasonable. It's worth a try to bring her down, IMO.

> To compensate for the CV boots replacement, she said she
> already
> lowered the price for the car to $3900. The seller asked
> her mechanic
> about the timing chain replacement and was advised that it
> may or may
> not be changed.

It's a belt, not a chain.

Only much newer Hondas have the chain.

I suggest you print out the official Honda maintenance
schedule cited before and show her that the belt is supposed
to be changed every 90k miles/6 years. If it hasn't been
changed, it could break at any moment, quite likely causing
catastrophic and expensive damage. Also google for {"timing
belt" break interference} and print out the most reputable
web sites that speak to this.

If she's never changed the belt before, she's been negligent
in her maintenance. She, not you, should have to pay for
this.

> She sounds reluctant to lower the price to compensate
> for the timing chain replacement. I told her about the
> Edmunds TMV but
> the seller sounds she will only go with what her Credit
> Union told her
> for car value.
>
> I was going to take it for a test drive tomorrow and if
> that goes ok,
> an inspection.

Forgot to mention: On the test drive, listen for clicking
coming from the front axles. This is a symptom of a failed
CV joint. In other words, the boots might have let enough
crud in that the whole joint is failing. That's a lot more
expensive than just the boot.

Here are more suggestions on checking this:
http://tegger.com/hondafaq/faq_ii.html#CVjoints

> The Honda Dealership said they would inspect the car for
> $80. A couple
> of friends recommended local mechanics, I am not sure
> whether they are
> experienced in Imports though.
>
> I thought it would be best to take the car to the Honda
> Dealership for
> the inspection though. Am I right?

Eighty dollars is a fair price, and I agree the Honda
dealership will likely be more savvy about what to check.

> I will call the other mechanics to get repair quotes for
> the timing
> chain and CV Boots also.
>
> Elle mentioned that the CV boots require Genuine Honda
> Parts. Do all
> shop mechanics have access to them?

Not necessarily. What you can do is use an independent shop,
but tell them you want to use genuine Honda parts and will
provide them. Order the parts online from, say,

http://www.hondaautomotiveparts.com/...ry5=DRIVESHAFT

If the seller won't come down in price, I guess you have to
weigh how soon you need the car and the availability of
other ones like it in your area.

If she won't come down for the timing belt, I think I'd
start checking around now, before paying $80 for the
inspection.

Way to be thorough!

 

<webmaster@tfy.com> wrote
>I learned from a CarFax history report that the 94 Accord
>Wagon had
> been serviced several times at a local Honda Dealership.
> I called the
> dealership and spoke with the mechanic. He was able to
> look up the car
> in their system and learned that it had been serviced
> three times, but
> they only had record of one problem. For that situation,
> he said the
> car was taken in for service because the ABS warning
> light. I am not
> quite sure what they did, but apparently, he said
> something like they
> turned off the computer and restarted it, and the ABS
> warning light did
> not come back on. Since it did not come back on, it
> appears it was not
> a problem. This service was recorded in 2001. He did say
> that if
> there was a problem with the ABS it would cost $600 to
> replace.
>
> He had no record of the timing chain being replaced on the
> car. He
> said it would cost $800 to replace the timing chain, water
> pump and
> related items. He also said it would cost $175 to replace
> the CV boot
> on one axle.

Sounds like the usual dealer prices. In other words, a bit
high, but the service should be high quality.

> I talked to the seller and they said the Credit Union they
> belong to
> quoted the sales price of the car at $4100. Edmunds lists
> the Private
> Party TMV at $3697. NADA lists it at $3975.

I would print these out and offer to show them to the
seller.

She does not have to come down in price. But you're being
reasonable. It's worth a try to bring her down, IMO.

> To compensate for the CV boots replacement, she said she
> already
> lowered the price for the car to $3900. The seller asked
> her mechanic
> about the timing chain replacement and was advised that it
> may or may
> not be changed.

It's a belt, not a chain.

Only much newer Hondas have the chain.

I suggest you print out the official Honda maintenance
schedule cited before and show her that the belt is supposed
to be changed every 90k miles/6 years. If it hasn't been
changed, it could break at any moment, quite likely causing
catastrophic and expensive damage. Also google for {"timing
belt" break interference} and print out the most reputable
web sites that speak to this.

If she's never changed the belt before, she's been negligent
in her maintenance. She, not you, should have to pay for
this.

> She sounds reluctant to lower the price to compensate
> for the timing chain replacement. I told her about the
> Edmunds TMV but
> the seller sounds she will only go with what her Credit
> Union told her
> for car value.
>
> I was going to take it for a test drive tomorrow and if
> that goes ok,
> an inspection.

Forgot to mention: On the test drive, listen for clicking
coming from the front axles. This is a symptom of a failed
CV joint. In other words, the boots might have let enough
crud in that the whole joint is failing. That's a lot more
expensive than just the boot.

Here are more suggestions on checking this:
http://tegger.com/hondafaq/faq_ii.html#CVjoints

> The Honda Dealership said they would inspect the car for
> $80. A couple
> of friends recommended local mechanics, I am not sure
> whether they are
> experienced in Imports though.
>
> I thought it would be best to take the car to the Honda
> Dealership for
> the inspection though. Am I right?

Eighty dollars is a fair price, and I agree the Honda
dealership will likely be more savvy about what to check.

> I will call the other mechanics to get repair quotes for
> the timing
> chain and CV Boots also.
>
> Elle mentioned that the CV boots require Genuine Honda
> Parts. Do all
> shop mechanics have access to them?

Not necessarily. What you can do is use an independent shop,
but tell them you want to use genuine Honda parts and will
provide them. Order the parts online from, say,

http://www.hondaautomotiveparts.com/...ry5=DRIVESHAFT

If the seller won't come down in price, I guess you have to
weigh how soon you need the car and the availability of
other ones like it in your area.

If she won't come down for the timing belt, I think I'd
start checking around now, before paying $80 for the
inspection.

Way to be thorough!

 

I will be sure to listen carefully for any clicking on the front axle
and look over the post you advised.

I really like the car. If the coolent, CV joint and vehicle inspection
check out ok, I figured offering 3200 to 3400 for the car and then
continue to look for other options while the seller considers.

Will post back with the results.

I appreciate your taking the time to respond so quickly and thanks for
the valuable information.

Elle wrote:
> <webmaster@tfy.com> wrote
> >I learned from a CarFax history report that the 94 Accord
> >Wagon had
> > been serviced several times at a local Honda Dealership.
> > I called the
> > dealership and spoke with the mechanic. He was able to
> > look up the car
> > in their system and learned that it had been serviced
> > three times, but
> > they only had record of one problem. For that situation,
> > he said the
> > car was taken in for service because the ABS warning
> > light. I am not
> > quite sure what they did, but apparently, he said
> > something like they
> > turned off the computer and restarted it, and the ABS
> > warning light did
> > not come back on. Since it did not come back on, it
> > appears it was not
> > a problem. This service was recorded in 2001. He did say
> > that if
> > there was a problem with the ABS it would cost $600 to
> > replace.
> >
> > He had no record of the timing chain being replaced on the
> > car. He
> > said it would cost $800 to replace the timing chain, water
> > pump and
> > related items. He also said it would cost $175 to replace
> > the CV boot
> > on one axle.
>
> Sounds like the usual dealer prices. In other words, a bit
> high, but the service should be high quality.
>
> > I talked to the seller and they said the Credit Union they
> > belong to
> > quoted the sales price of the car at $4100. Edmunds lists
> > the Private
> > Party TMV at $3697. NADA lists it at $3975.
>
> I would print these out and offer to show them to the
> seller.
>
> She does not have to come down in price. But you're being
> reasonable. It's worth a try to bring her down, IMO.
>
> > To compensate for the CV boots replacement, she said she
> > already
> > lowered the price for the car to $3900. The seller asked
> > her mechanic
> > about the timing chain replacement and was advised that it
> > may or may
> > not be changed.
>
> It's a belt, not a chain.
>
> Only much newer Hondas have the chain.
>
> I suggest you print out the official Honda maintenance
> schedule cited before and show her that the belt is supposed
> to be changed every 90k miles/6 years. If it hasn't been
> changed, it could break at any moment, quite likely causing
> catastrophic and expensive damage. Also google for {"timing
> belt" break interference} and print out the most reputable
> web sites that speak to this.
>
> If she's never changed the belt before, she's been negligent
> in her maintenance. She, not you, should have to pay for
> this.
>
> > She sounds reluctant to lower the price to compensate
> > for the timing chain replacement. I told her about the
> > Edmunds TMV but
> > the seller sounds she will only go with what her Credit
> > Union told her
> > for car value.
> >
> > I was going to take it for a test drive tomorrow and if
> > that goes ok,
> > an inspection.
>
> Forgot to mention: On the test drive, listen for clicking
> coming from the front axles. This is a symptom of a failed
> CV joint. In other words, the boots might have let enough
> crud in that the whole joint is failing. That's a lot more
> expensive than just the boot.
>
> Here are more suggestions on checking this:
> http://tegger.com/hondafaq/faq_ii.html#CVjoints
>
> > The Honda Dealership said they would inspect the car for
> > $80. A couple
> > of friends recommended local mechanics, I am not sure
> > whether they are
> > experienced in Imports though.
> >
> > I thought it would be best to take the car to the Honda
> > Dealership for
> > the inspection though. Am I right?
>
> Eighty dollars is a fair price, and I agree the Honda
> dealership will likely be more savvy about what to check.
>
> > I will call the other mechanics to get repair quotes for
> > the timing
> > chain and CV Boots also.
> >
> > Elle mentioned that the CV boots require Genuine Honda
> > Parts. Do all
> > shop mechanics have access to them?
>
> Not necessarily. What you can do is use an independent shop,
> but tell them you want to use genuine Honda parts and will
> provide them. Order the parts online from, say,
>
> http://www.hondaautomotiveparts.com/...ry5=DRIVESHAFT
>
> If the seller won't come down in price, I guess you have to
> weigh how soon you need the car and the availability of
> other ones like it in your area.
>
> If she won't come down for the timing belt, I think I'd
> start checking around now, before paying $80 for the
> inspection.
>
> Way to be thorough!

 

I will be sure to listen carefully for any clicking on the front axle
and look over the post you advised.

I really like the car. If the coolent, CV joint and vehicle inspection
check out ok, I figured offering 3200 to 3400 for the car and then
continue to look for other options while the seller considers.

Will post back with the results.

I appreciate your taking the time to respond so quickly and thanks for
the valuable information.

Elle wrote:
> <webmaster@tfy.com> wrote
> >I learned from a CarFax history report that the 94 Accord
> >Wagon had
> > been serviced several times at a local Honda Dealership.
> > I called the
> > dealership and spoke with the mechanic. He was able to
> > look up the car
> > in their system and learned that it had been serviced
> > three times, but
> > they only had record of one problem. For that situation,
> > he said the
> > car was taken in for service because the ABS warning
> > light. I am not
> > quite sure what they did, but apparently, he said
> > something like they
> > turned off the computer and restarted it, and the ABS
> > warning light did
> > not come back on. Since it did not come back on, it
> > appears it was not
> > a problem. This service was recorded in 2001. He did say
> > that if
> > there was a problem with the ABS it would cost $600 to
> > replace.
> >
> > He had no record of the timing chain being replaced on the
> > car. He
> > said it would cost $800 to replace the timing chain, water
> > pump and
> > related items. He also said it would cost $175 to replace
> > the CV boot
> > on one axle.
>
> Sounds like the usual dealer prices. In other words, a bit
> high, but the service should be high quality.
>
> > I talked to the seller and they said the Credit Union they
> > belong to
> > quoted the sales price of the car at $4100. Edmunds lists
> > the Private
> > Party TMV at $3697. NADA lists it at $3975.
>
> I would print these out and offer to show them to the
> seller.
>
> She does not have to come down in price. But you're being
> reasonable. It's worth a try to bring her down, IMO.
>
> > To compensate for the CV boots replacement, she said she
> > already
> > lowered the price for the car to $3900. The seller asked
> > her mechanic
> > about the timing chain replacement and was advised that it
> > may or may
> > not be changed.
>
> It's a belt, not a chain.
>
> Only much newer Hondas have the chain.
>
> I suggest you print out the official Honda maintenance
> schedule cited before and show her that the belt is supposed
> to be changed every 90k miles/6 years. If it hasn't been
> changed, it could break at any moment, quite likely causing
> catastrophic and expensive damage. Also google for {"timing
> belt" break interference} and print out the most reputable
> web sites that speak to this.
>
> If she's never changed the belt before, she's been negligent
> in her maintenance. She, not you, should have to pay for
> this.
>
> > She sounds reluctant to lower the price to compensate
> > for the timing chain replacement. I told her about the
> > Edmunds TMV but
> > the seller sounds she will only go with what her Credit
> > Union told her
> > for car value.
> >
> > I was going to take it for a test drive tomorrow and if
> > that goes ok,
> > an inspection.
>
> Forgot to mention: On the test drive, listen for clicking
> coming from the front axles. This is a symptom of a failed
> CV joint. In other words, the boots might have let enough
> crud in that the whole joint is failing. That's a lot more
> expensive than just the boot.
>
> Here are more suggestions on checking this:
> http://tegger.com/hondafaq/faq_ii.html#CVjoints
>
> > The Honda Dealership said they would inspect the car for
> > $80. A couple
> > of friends recommended local mechanics, I am not sure
> > whether they are
> > experienced in Imports though.
> >
> > I thought it would be best to take the car to the Honda
> > Dealership for
> > the inspection though. Am I right?
>
> Eighty dollars is a fair price, and I agree the Honda
> dealership will likely be more savvy about what to check.
>
> > I will call the other mechanics to get repair quotes for
> > the timing
> > chain and CV Boots also.
> >
> > Elle mentioned that the CV boots require Genuine Honda
> > Parts. Do all
> > shop mechanics have access to them?
>
> Not necessarily. What you can do is use an independent shop,
> but tell them you want to use genuine Honda parts and will
> provide them. Order the parts online from, say,
>
> http://www.hondaautomotiveparts.com/...ry5=DRIVESHAFT
>
> If the seller won't come down in price, I guess you have to
> weigh how soon you need the car and the availability of
> other ones like it in your area.
>
> If she won't come down for the timing belt, I think I'd
> start checking around now, before paying $80 for the
> inspection.
>
> Way to be thorough!

 

I will be sure to listen carefully for any clicking on the front axle
and look over the post you advised.

I really like the car. If the coolent, CV joint and vehicle inspection
check out ok, I figured offering 3200 to 3400 for the car and then
continue to look for other options while the seller considers.

Will post back with the results.

I appreciate your taking the time to respond so quickly and thanks for
the valuable information.

Elle wrote:
> <webmaster@tfy.com> wrote
> >I learned from a CarFax history report that the 94 Accord
> >Wagon had
> > been serviced several times at a local Honda Dealership.
> > I called the
> > dealership and spoke with the mechanic. He was able to
> > look up the car
> > in their system and learned that it had been serviced
> > three times, but
> > they only had record of one problem. For that situation,
> > he said the
> > car was taken in for service because the ABS warning
> > light. I am not
> > quite sure what they did, but apparently, he said
> > something like they
> > turned off the computer and restarted it, and the ABS
> > warning light did
> > not come back on. Since it did not come back on, it
> > appears it was not
> > a problem. This service was recorded in 2001. He did say
> > that if
> > there was a problem with the ABS it would cost $600 to
> > replace.
> >
> > He had no record of the timing chain being replaced on the
> > car. He
> > said it would cost $800 to replace the timing chain, water
> > pump and
> > related items. He also said it would cost $175 to replace
> > the CV boot
> > on one axle.
>
> Sounds like the usual dealer prices. In other words, a bit
> high, but the service should be high quality.
>
> > I talked to the seller and they said the Credit Union they
> > belong to
> > quoted the sales price of the car at $4100. Edmunds lists
> > the Private
> > Party TMV at $3697. NADA lists it at $3975.
>
> I would print these out and offer to show them to the
> seller.
>
> She does not have to come down in price. But you're being
> reasonable. It's worth a try to bring her down, IMO.
>
> > To compensate for the CV boots replacement, she said she
> > already
> > lowered the price for the car to $3900. The seller asked
> > her mechanic
> > about the timing chain replacement and was advised that it
> > may or may
> > not be changed.
>
> It's a belt, not a chain.
>
> Only much newer Hondas have the chain.
>
> I suggest you print out the official Honda maintenance
> schedule cited before and show her that the belt is supposed
> to be changed every 90k miles/6 years. If it hasn't been
> changed, it could break at any moment, quite likely causing
> catastrophic and expensive damage. Also google for {"timing
> belt" break interference} and print out the most reputable
> web sites that speak to this.
>
> If she's never changed the belt before, she's been negligent
> in her maintenance. She, not you, should have to pay for
> this.
>
> > She sounds reluctant to lower the price to compensate
> > for the timing chain replacement. I told her about the
> > Edmunds TMV but
> > the seller sounds she will only go with what her Credit
> > Union told her
> > for car value.
> >
> > I was going to take it for a test drive tomorrow and if
> > that goes ok,
> > an inspection.
>
> Forgot to mention: On the test drive, listen for clicking
> coming from the front axles. This is a symptom of a failed
> CV joint. In other words, the boots might have let enough
> crud in that the whole joint is failing. That's a lot more
> expensive than just the boot.
>
> Here are more suggestions on checking this:
> http://tegger.com/hondafaq/faq_ii.html#CVjoints
>
> > The Honda Dealership said they would inspect the car for
> > $80. A couple
> > of friends recommended local mechanics, I am not sure
> > whether they are
> > experienced in Imports though.
> >
> > I thought it would be best to take the car to the Honda
> > Dealership for
> > the inspection though. Am I right?
>
> Eighty dollars is a fair price, and I agree the Honda
> dealership will likely be more savvy about what to check.
>
> > I will call the other mechanics to get repair quotes for
> > the timing
> > chain and CV Boots also.
> >
> > Elle mentioned that the CV boots require Genuine Honda
> > Parts. Do all
> > shop mechanics have access to them?
>
> Not necessarily. What you can do is use an independent shop,
> but tell them you want to use genuine Honda parts and will
> provide them. Order the parts online from, say,
>
> http://www.hondaautomotiveparts.com/...ry5=DRIVESHAFT
>
> If the seller won't come down in price, I guess you have to
> weigh how soon you need the car and the availability of
> other ones like it in your area.
>
> If she won't come down for the timing belt, I think I'd
> start checking around now, before paying $80 for the
> inspection.
>
> Way to be thorough!

 

I just found another vehicle for sale by a car dealer. A 1998 Ford
Escort with 47,800 miles. The dealer wants $5000 for it. Except for a
small ding in the door, it looks to be in excellent condition. I took
it for a test drive and it seems pretty good.

For the 98 Escort, I found the following values:
Edmunds lists the car dealer retail value at $4,006
Nada Guides lists the car value at Average Retail at $4,150 and High
Retail at $4750
Kelly Blue Book suggested retail value is $4,185

The dealer says he will give me a 60 day warranty.

I was wondering which is the better car value, a 94 Accord with 106k
for $3900 (total would be around $4600 when adding the $700 or so for
timing belt, CV boots to the purchase price) or the 98 Escort with 47k
for $5000.

I did not take the Honda for test drive yet, but hope to do so
tomorrow.

webmaster@tfy.com wrote:
> I will be sure to listen carefully for any clicking on the front axle
> and look over the post you advised.
>
> I really like the car. If the coolent, CV joint and vehicle inspection
> check out ok, I figured offering 3200 to 3400 for the car and then
> continue to look for other options while the seller considers.
>
> Will post back with the results.
>
> I appreciate your taking the time to respond so quickly and thanks for
> the valuable information.
>
> Elle wrote:
> > <webmaster@tfy.com> wrote
> > >I learned from a CarFax history report that the 94 Accord
> > >Wagon had
> > > been serviced several times at a local Honda Dealership.
> > > I called the
> > > dealership and spoke with the mechanic. He was able to
> > > look up the car
> > > in their system and learned that it had been serviced
> > > three times, but
> > > they only had record of one problem. For that situation,
> > > he said the
> > > car was taken in for service because the ABS warning
> > > light. I am not
> > > quite sure what they did, but apparently, he said
> > > something like they
> > > turned off the computer and restarted it, and the ABS
> > > warning light did
> > > not come back on. Since it did not come back on, it
> > > appears it was not
> > > a problem. This service was recorded in 2001. He did say
> > > that if
> > > there was a problem with the ABS it would cost $600 to
> > > replace.
> > >
> > > He had no record of the timing chain being replaced on the
> > > car. He
> > > said it would cost $800 to replace the timing chain, water
> > > pump and
> > > related items. He also said it would cost $175 to replace
> > > the CV boot
> > > on one axle.
> >
> > Sounds like the usual dealer prices. In other words, a bit
> > high, but the service should be high quality.
> >
> > > I talked to the seller and they said the Credit Union they
> > > belong to
> > > quoted the sales price of the car at $4100. Edmunds lists
> > > the Private
> > > Party TMV at $3697. NADA lists it at $3975.
> >
> > I would print these out and offer to show them to the
> > seller.
> >
> > She does not have to come down in price. But you're being
> > reasonable. It's worth a try to bring her down, IMO.
> >
> > > To compensate for the CV boots replacement, she said she
> > > already
> > > lowered the price for the car to $3900. The seller asked
> > > her mechanic
> > > about the timing chain replacement and was advised that it
> > > may or may
> > > not be changed.
> >
> > It's a belt, not a chain.
> >
> > Only much newer Hondas have the chain.
> >
> > I suggest you print out the official Honda maintenance
> > schedule cited before and show her that the belt is supposed
> > to be changed every 90k miles/6 years. If it hasn't been
> > changed, it could break at any moment, quite likely causing
> > catastrophic and expensive damage. Also google for {"timing
> > belt" break interference} and print out the most reputable
> > web sites that speak to this.
> >
> > If she's never changed the belt before, she's been negligent
> > in her maintenance. She, not you, should have to pay for
> > this.
> >
> > > She sounds reluctant to lower the price to compensate
> > > for the timing chain replacement. I told her about the
> > > Edmunds TMV but
> > > the seller sounds she will only go with what her Credit
> > > Union told her
> > > for car value.
> > >
> > > I was going to take it for a test drive tomorrow and if
> > > that goes ok,
> > > an inspection.
> >
> > Forgot to mention: On the test drive, listen for clicking
> > coming from the front axles. This is a symptom of a failed
> > CV joint. In other words, the boots might have let enough
> > crud in that the whole joint is failing. That's a lot more
> > expensive than just the boot.
> >
> > Here are more suggestions on checking this:
> > http://tegger.com/hondafaq/faq_ii.html#CVjoints
> >
> > > The Honda Dealership said they would inspect the car for
> > > $80. A couple
> > > of friends recommended local mechanics, I am not sure
> > > whether they are
> > > experienced in Imports though.
> > >
> > > I thought it would be best to take the car to the Honda
> > > Dealership for
> > > the inspection though. Am I right?
> >
> > Eighty dollars is a fair price, and I agree the Honda
> > dealership will likely be more savvy about what to check.
> >
> > > I will call the other mechanics to get repair quotes for
> > > the timing
> > > chain and CV Boots also.
> > >
> > > Elle mentioned that the CV boots require Genuine Honda
> > > Parts. Do all
> > > shop mechanics have access to them?
> >
> > Not necessarily. What you can do is use an independent shop,
> > but tell them you want to use genuine Honda parts and will
> > provide them. Order the parts online from, say,
> >
> > http://www.hondaautomotiveparts.com/...ry5=DRIVESHAFT
> >
> > If the seller won't come down in price, I guess you have to
> > weigh how soon you need the car and the availability of
> > other ones like it in your area.
> >
> > If she won't come down for the timing belt, I think I'd
> > start checking around now, before paying $80 for the
> > inspection.
> >
> > Way to be thorough!

 

I just found another vehicle for sale by a car dealer. A 1998 Ford
Escort with 47,800 miles. The dealer wants $5000 for it. Except for a
small ding in the door, it looks to be in excellent condition. I took
it for a test drive and it seems pretty good.

For the 98 Escort, I found the following values:
Edmunds lists the car dealer retail value at $4,006
Nada Guides lists the car value at Average Retail at $4,150 and High
Retail at $4750
Kelly Blue Book suggested retail value is $4,185

The dealer says he will give me a 60 day warranty.

I was wondering which is the better car value, a 94 Accord with 106k
for $3900 (total would be around $4600 when adding the $700 or so for
timing belt, CV boots to the purchase price) or the 98 Escort with 47k
for $5000.

I did not take the Honda for test drive yet, but hope to do so
tomorrow.

webmaster@tfy.com wrote:
> I will be sure to listen carefully for any clicking on the front axle
> and look over the post you advised.
>
> I really like the car. If the coolent, CV joint and vehicle inspection
> check out ok, I figured offering 3200 to 3400 for the car and then
> continue to look for other options while the seller considers.
>
> Will post back with the results.
>
> I appreciate your taking the time to respond so quickly and thanks for
> the valuable information.
>
> Elle wrote:
> > <webmaster@tfy.com> wrote
> > >I learned from a CarFax history report that the 94 Accord
> > >Wagon had
> > > been serviced several times at a local Honda Dealership.
> > > I called the
> > > dealership and spoke with the mechanic. He was able to
> > > look up the car
> > > in their system and learned that it had been serviced
> > > three times, but
> > > they only had record of one problem. For that situation,
> > > he said the
> > > car was taken in for service because the ABS warning
> > > light. I am not
> > > quite sure what they did, but apparently, he said
> > > something like they
> > > turned off the computer and restarted it, and the ABS
> > > warning light did
> > > not come back on. Since it did not come back on, it
> > > appears it was not
> > > a problem. This service was recorded in 2001. He did say
> > > that if
> > > there was a problem with the ABS it would cost $600 to
> > > replace.
> > >
> > > He had no record of the timing chain being replaced on the
> > > car. He
> > > said it would cost $800 to replace the timing chain, water
> > > pump and
> > > related items. He also said it would cost $175 to replace
> > > the CV boot
> > > on one axle.
> >
> > Sounds like the usual dealer prices. In other words, a bit
> > high, but the service should be high quality.
> >
> > > I talked to the seller and they said the Credit Union they
> > > belong to
> > > quoted the sales price of the car at $4100. Edmunds lists
> > > the Private
> > > Party TMV at $3697. NADA lists it at $3975.
> >
> > I would print these out and offer to show them to the
> > seller.
> >
> > She does not have to come down in price. But you're being
> > reasonable. It's worth a try to bring her down, IMO.
> >
> > > To compensate for the CV boots replacement, she said she
> > > already
> > > lowered the price for the car to $3900. The seller asked
> > > her mechanic
> > > about the timing chain replacement and was advised that it
> > > may or may
> > > not be changed.
> >
> > It's a belt, not a chain.
> >
> > Only much newer Hondas have the chain.
> >
> > I suggest you print out the official Honda maintenance
> > schedule cited before and show her that the belt is supposed
> > to be changed every 90k miles/6 years. If it hasn't been
> > changed, it could break at any moment, quite likely causing
> > catastrophic and expensive damage. Also google for {"timing
> > belt" break interference} and print out the most reputable
> > web sites that speak to this.
> >
> > If she's never changed the belt before, she's been negligent
> > in her maintenance. She, not you, should have to pay for
> > this.
> >
> > > She sounds reluctant to lower the price to compensate
> > > for the timing chain replacement. I told her about the
> > > Edmunds TMV but
> > > the seller sounds she will only go with what her Credit
> > > Union told her
> > > for car value.
> > >
> > > I was going to take it for a test drive tomorrow and if
> > > that goes ok,
> > > an inspection.
> >
> > Forgot to mention: On the test drive, listen for clicking
> > coming from the front axles. This is a symptom of a failed
> > CV joint. In other words, the boots might have let enough
> > crud in that the whole joint is failing. That's a lot more
> > expensive than just the boot.
> >
> > Here are more suggestions on checking this:
> > http://tegger.com/hondafaq/faq_ii.html#CVjoints
> >
> > > The Honda Dealership said they would inspect the car for
> > > $80. A couple
> > > of friends recommended local mechanics, I am not sure
> > > whether they are
> > > experienced in Imports though.
> > >
> > > I thought it would be best to take the car to the Honda
> > > Dealership for
> > > the inspection though. Am I right?
> >
> > Eighty dollars is a fair price, and I agree the Honda
> > dealership will likely be more savvy about what to check.
> >
> > > I will call the other mechanics to get repair quotes for
> > > the timing
> > > chain and CV Boots also.
> > >
> > > Elle mentioned that the CV boots require Genuine Honda
> > > Parts. Do all
> > > shop mechanics have access to them?
> >
> > Not necessarily. What you can do is use an independent shop,
> > but tell them you want to use genuine Honda parts and will
> > provide them. Order the parts online from, say,
> >
> > http://www.hondaautomotiveparts.com/...ry5=DRIVESHAFT
> >
> > If the seller won't come down in price, I guess you have to
> > weigh how soon you need the car and the availability of
> > other ones like it in your area.
> >
> > If she won't come down for the timing belt, I think I'd
> > start checking around now, before paying $80 for the
> > inspection.
> >
> > Way to be thorough!

 

I just found another vehicle for sale by a car dealer. A 1998 Ford
Escort with 47,800 miles. The dealer wants $5000 for it. Except for a
small ding in the door, it looks to be in excellent condition. I took
it for a test drive and it seems pretty good.

For the 98 Escort, I found the following values:
Edmunds lists the car dealer retail value at $4,006
Nada Guides lists the car value at Average Retail at $4,150 and High
Retail at $4750
Kelly Blue Book suggested retail value is $4,185

The dealer says he will give me a 60 day warranty.

I was wondering which is the better car value, a 94 Accord with 106k
for $3900 (total would be around $4600 when adding the $700 or so for
timing belt, CV boots to the purchase price) or the 98 Escort with 47k
for $5000.

I did not take the Honda for test drive yet, but hope to do so
tomorrow.

webmaster@tfy.com wrote:
> I will be sure to listen carefully for any clicking on the front axle
> and look over the post you advised.
>
> I really like the car. If the coolent, CV joint and vehicle inspection
> check out ok, I figured offering 3200 to 3400 for the car and then
> continue to look for other options while the seller considers.
>
> Will post back with the results.
>
> I appreciate your taking the time to respond so quickly and thanks for
> the valuable information.
>
> Elle wrote:
> > <webmaster@tfy.com> wrote
> > >I learned from a CarFax history report that the 94 Accord
> > >Wagon had
> > > been serviced several times at a local Honda Dealership.
> > > I called the
> > > dealership and spoke with the mechanic. He was able to
> > > look up the car
> > > in their system and learned that it had been serviced
> > > three times, but
> > > they only had record of one problem. For that situation,
> > > he said the
> > > car was taken in for service because the ABS warning
> > > light. I am not
> > > quite sure what they did, but apparently, he said
> > > something like they
> > > turned off the computer and restarted it, and the ABS
> > > warning light did
> > > not come back on. Since it did not come back on, it
> > > appears it was not
> > > a problem. This service was recorded in 2001. He did say
> > > that if
> > > there was a problem with the ABS it would cost $600 to
> > > replace.
> > >
> > > He had no record of the timing chain being replaced on the
> > > car. He
> > > said it would cost $800 to replace the timing chain, water
> > > pump and
> > > related items. He also said it would cost $175 to replace
> > > the CV boot
> > > on one axle.
> >
> > Sounds like the usual dealer prices. In other words, a bit
> > high, but the service should be high quality.
> >
> > > I talked to the seller and they said the Credit Union they
> > > belong to
> > > quoted the sales price of the car at $4100. Edmunds lists
> > > the Private
> > > Party TMV at $3697. NADA lists it at $3975.
> >
> > I would print these out and offer to show them to the
> > seller.
> >
> > She does not have to come down in price. But you're being
> > reasonable. It's worth a try to bring her down, IMO.
> >
> > > To compensate for the CV boots replacement, she said she
> > > already
> > > lowered the price for the car to $3900. The seller asked
> > > her mechanic
> > > about the timing chain replacement and was advised that it
> > > may or may
> > > not be changed.
> >
> > It's a belt, not a chain.
> >
> > Only much newer Hondas have the chain.
> >
> > I suggest you print out the official Honda maintenance
> > schedule cited before and show her that the belt is supposed
> > to be changed every 90k miles/6 years. If it hasn't been
> > changed, it could break at any moment, quite likely causing
> > catastrophic and expensive damage. Also google for {"timing
> > belt" break interference} and print out the most reputable
> > web sites that speak to this.
> >
> > If she's never changed the belt before, she's been negligent
> > in her maintenance. She, not you, should have to pay for
> > this.
> >
> > > She sounds reluctant to lower the price to compensate
> > > for the timing chain replacement. I told her about the
> > > Edmunds TMV but
> > > the seller sounds she will only go with what her Credit
> > > Union told her
> > > for car value.
> > >
> > > I was going to take it for a test drive tomorrow and if
> > > that goes ok,
> > > an inspection.
> >
> > Forgot to mention: On the test drive, listen for clicking
> > coming from the front axles. This is a symptom of a failed
> > CV joint. In other words, the boots might have let enough
> > crud in that the whole joint is failing. That's a lot more
> > expensive than just the boot.
> >
> > Here are more suggestions on checking this:
> > http://tegger.com/hondafaq/faq_ii.html#CVjoints
> >
> > > The Honda Dealership said they would inspect the car for
> > > $80. A couple
> > > of friends recommended local mechanics, I am not sure
> > > whether they are
> > > experienced in Imports though.
> > >
> > > I thought it would be best to take the car to the Honda
> > > Dealership for
> > > the inspection though. Am I right?
> >
> > Eighty dollars is a fair price, and I agree the Honda
> > dealership will likely be more savvy about what to check.
> >
> > > I will call the other mechanics to get repair quotes for
> > > the timing
> > > chain and CV Boots also.
> > >
> > > Elle mentioned that the CV boots require Genuine Honda
> > > Parts. Do all
> > > shop mechanics have access to them?
> >
> > Not necessarily. What you can do is use an independent shop,
> > but tell them you want to use genuine Honda parts and will
> > provide them. Order the parts online from, say,
> >
> > http://www.hondaautomotiveparts.com/...ry5=DRIVESHAFT
> >
> > If the seller won't come down in price, I guess you have to
> > weigh how soon you need the car and the availability of
> > other ones like it in your area.
> >
> > If she won't come down for the timing belt, I think I'd
> > start checking around now, before paying $80 for the
> > inspection.
> >
> > Way to be thorough!

 

webmaster@tfy.com wrote:

> I recently saw a 1994 Accord LX Wagon for sale by a private party with
> a 106k miles on it. Asking price was $3900. It looks very clean.
>
> I am looking for a car that can last a year without any major repairs.
>
> I was wondering if anyone has any comments on whether or not it is a
> good idea to buy a 94 Accord with this many miles on it?

IF the car has been reasonably maintained, with regular oil/fluid
changes changes being most important, 100k is no big deal for an Accord.

> How many miles can a 94 Accord go before it needs a major repairs?

A whole bunch.

It just so happens that I bought a '92 Wagon last February. It had 140K
well maintained miles. Here's a list of the car's ailments. Most
problems are 'normal' and can be probably be expected, to one degree or
another, with any 100K+ car.

Suspension is sloppy. The car feels vague in crosswinds and meanders
slightly when braking. With all the joints/bushings to check/replace,
this will be a long term DIY project.

The right side drive axle (CV joint) is starting to make noise and will
need replacing soon. The rubber boot is intact, so I'm not sure why
it's having problems. I suspect the joints eventually wear out if the
grease isn't cleaned out and repacked every few years.

Prior owner recently changed the timing belt. This is an absolute must
by 100K. (I think 90K is the service limit.) Bad sh*t will happen if
the belt breaks.

Speaker are shot.

AC worked when I bought it, but has a hidden slow leak. In Tucson, in
June, this is a BAD THING!

The only 'problem' is a sporadic check engine light and occasional
off-idle stumble. The engine code indicates an EGR problem. (This is
hardly 'normal wear,' but is not 100% unexpected either.) I pulled the
access plugs and checked/cleaned the ports to no avail. They were
grungy but still flowing well enough.) It must be the valve or control
solenoid.


On the positive side.

The engine burns only half a quart per 5K miles. After 5.5K miles, the
oil (M1) is finally getting somewhat dark. Clearly, the rings (and
hopefully, the rest of the engine core!) are in great shape. You'll
hear lots of anecdotal reports of 200K Honda engines. They are very
well built and can go forever if you keep the oil clean and fresh.

32~33MPG commute (driving like a granny, anticipating those #$@# red
lights), 36+ freeway if I cruise around along at ~60MPH (two lane state
highways and the like), back to ~31 on the superslab at 70+.

Solid body/interior construction. No rattling doors, broken handles,
disintegrating console *****, or the like.

Transmission feels great; smooth, sure ***** with no hang-ups or synchro
issues. (Filling it with Honda's MTF vastly improved the feel and
shifting ease.)


Overall: I paid 3000 (a little too much?) and am content with what I got.

3900 is probably a few hundred too much, unless it's in superb running
order.

-Greg

 

webmaster@tfy.com wrote:

> I recently saw a 1994 Accord LX Wagon for sale by a private party with
> a 106k miles on it. Asking price was $3900. It looks very clean.
>
> I am looking for a car that can last a year without any major repairs.
>
> I was wondering if anyone has any comments on whether or not it is a
> good idea to buy a 94 Accord with this many miles on it?

IF the car has been reasonably maintained, with regular oil/fluid
changes changes being most important, 100k is no big deal for an Accord.

> How many miles can a 94 Accord go before it needs a major repairs?

A whole bunch.

It just so happens that I bought a '92 Wagon last February. It had 140K
well maintained miles. Here's a list of the car's ailments. Most
problems are 'normal' and can be probably be expected, to one degree or
another, with any 100K+ car.

Suspension is sloppy. The car feels vague in crosswinds and meanders
slightly when braking. With all the joints/bushings to check/replace,
this will be a long term DIY project.

The right side drive axle (CV joint) is starting to make noise and will
need replacing soon. The rubber boot is intact, so I'm not sure why
it's having problems. I suspect the joints eventually wear out if the
grease isn't cleaned out and repacked every few years.

Prior owner recently changed the timing belt. This is an absolute must
by 100K. (I think 90K is the service limit.) Bad sh*t will happen if
the belt breaks.

Speaker are shot.

AC worked when I bought it, but has a hidden slow leak. In Tucson, in
June, this is a BAD THING!

The only 'problem' is a sporadic check engine light and occasional
off-idle stumble. The engine code indicates an EGR problem. (This is
hardly 'normal wear,' but is not 100% unexpected either.) I pulled the
access plugs and checked/cleaned the ports to no avail. They were
grungy but still flowing well enough.) It must be the valve or control
solenoid.


On the positive side.

The engine burns only half a quart per 5K miles. After 5.5K miles, the
oil (M1) is finally getting somewhat dark. Clearly, the rings (and
hopefully, the rest of the engine core!) are in great shape. You'll
hear lots of anecdotal reports of 200K Honda engines. They are very
well built and can go forever if you keep the oil clean and fresh.

32~33MPG commute (driving like a granny, anticipating those #$@# red
lights), 36+ freeway if I cruise around along at ~60MPH (two lane state
highways and the like), back to ~31 on the superslab at 70+.

Solid body/interior construction. No rattling doors, broken handles,
disintegrating console *****, or the like.

Transmission feels great; smooth, sure ***** with no hang-ups or synchro
issues. (Filling it with Honda's MTF vastly improved the feel and
shifting ease.)


Overall: I paid 3000 (a little too much?) and am content with what I got.

3900 is probably a few hundred too much, unless it's in superb running
order.

-Greg