On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 01:09:37 -0400, against all advice, something
compelled Joe LaVigne <jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com>, to say:

> Steve Daniels wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 00:17:38 -0400, against all advice, something
> > compelled Joe LaVigne <jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com>, to say:
> >
> >> dppe@huskeraccess.com wrote:
> >>
> >> > Yesterday, I bought a 1992 Honda Civic EX for my daughter.
> >
> >> Not sure where you are, but most areas now have Lemon Laws, which
> >> require the dealer to fix any such problems that show up within a
> >> certain amount of
> >> time. Go back to the dealer, show them the light, and tell them you
> >> want it fixed.
> >
> >
> > Yeah.
> >
> > Let's see.
> >
> > 2007 - 1992 = 15. Run off you your nearest Honda dealer and
> > raise a ruckus over a fifteen year old used car that is
> > indicating a fault. I'm sure the dealer will fall all over
> > itself in fear of violating some lemon law.
> >
>
> Hey, face, she said she just bought it from a used car dealer. That's
> precisely what the lemon laws are there for...


Lemon laws apply to new cars, not fifteen year old You Buy Here
You Pay Here cars.

But please, let us know if your White Knight Riding To The Rescue
tactics get you laid. I mean, after all, whatever works.

--
Life is too short to play cheap guitars.

 

On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 23:25:07 -0700
Steve Daniels <sdaniels@gorge.net> wrote:

> On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 01:09:37 -0400, against all advice, something
> compelled Joe LaVigne <jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com>, to say:
>
> > Steve Daniels wrote:
> >
> > > On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 00:17:38 -0400, against all advice, something
> > > compelled Joe LaVigne <jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com>, to say:
> > >
> > >> dppe@huskeraccess.com wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > Yesterday, I bought a 1992 Honda Civic EX for my daughter.
> > >
> > >> Not sure where you are, but most areas now have Lemon Laws, which
> > >> require the dealer to fix any such problems that show up within a
> > >> certain amount of
> > >> time. Go back to the dealer, show them the light, and tell them you
> > >> want it fixed.
> > >
> > >
> > > Yeah.
> > >
> > > Let's see.
> > >
> > > 2007 - 1992 = 15. Run off you your nearest Honda dealer and
> > > raise a ruckus over a fifteen year old used car that is
> > > indicating a fault. I'm sure the dealer will fall all over
> > > itself in fear of violating some lemon law.
> > >
> >
> > Hey, face, she said she just bought it from a used car dealer. That's
> > precisely what the lemon laws are there for...
>
>
> Lemon laws apply to new cars, not fifteen year old You Buy Here
> You Pay Here cars.
>
> But please, let us know if your White Knight Riding To The Rescue
> tactics get you laid. I mean, after all, whatever works.
>

In NY, the lemon law certainly applies to used cars, and was a large part of the reason it was written...

Now, into the bozo bin where you belong...


--
Joe

"What Color do smurfs turn when you choke them?"

 

On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 23:25:07 -0700
Steve Daniels <sdaniels@gorge.net> wrote:

> On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 01:09:37 -0400, against all advice, something
> compelled Joe LaVigne <jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com>, to say:
>
> > Steve Daniels wrote:
> >
> > > On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 00:17:38 -0400, against all advice, something
> > > compelled Joe LaVigne <jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com>, to say:
> > >
> > >> dppe@huskeraccess.com wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > Yesterday, I bought a 1992 Honda Civic EX for my daughter.
> > >
> > >> Not sure where you are, but most areas now have Lemon Laws, which
> > >> require the dealer to fix any such problems that show up within a
> > >> certain amount of
> > >> time. Go back to the dealer, show them the light, and tell them you
> > >> want it fixed.
> > >
> > >
> > > Yeah.
> > >
> > > Let's see.
> > >
> > > 2007 - 1992 = 15. Run off you your nearest Honda dealer and
> > > raise a ruckus over a fifteen year old used car that is
> > > indicating a fault. I'm sure the dealer will fall all over
> > > itself in fear of violating some lemon law.
> > >
> >
> > Hey, face, she said she just bought it from a used car dealer. That's
> > precisely what the lemon laws are there for...
>
>
> Lemon laws apply to new cars, not fifteen year old You Buy Here
> You Pay Here cars.
>
> But please, let us know if your White Knight Riding To The Rescue
> tactics get you laid. I mean, after all, whatever works.
>

In NY, the lemon law certainly applies to used cars, and was a large part of the reason it was written...

Now, into the bozo bin where you belong...


--
Joe

"What Color do smurfs turn when you choke them?"

 

On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 23:25:07 -0700
Steve Daniels <sdaniels@gorge.net> wrote:

> On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 01:09:37 -0400, against all advice, something
> compelled Joe LaVigne <jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com>, to say:
>
> > Steve Daniels wrote:
> >
> > > On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 00:17:38 -0400, against all advice, something
> > > compelled Joe LaVigne <jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com>, to say:
> > >
> > >> dppe@huskeraccess.com wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > Yesterday, I bought a 1992 Honda Civic EX for my daughter.
> > >
> > >> Not sure where you are, but most areas now have Lemon Laws, which
> > >> require the dealer to fix any such problems that show up within a
> > >> certain amount of
> > >> time. Go back to the dealer, show them the light, and tell them you
> > >> want it fixed.
> > >
> > >
> > > Yeah.
> > >
> > > Let's see.
> > >
> > > 2007 - 1992 = 15. Run off you your nearest Honda dealer and
> > > raise a ruckus over a fifteen year old used car that is
> > > indicating a fault. I'm sure the dealer will fall all over
> > > itself in fear of violating some lemon law.
> > >
> >
> > Hey, face, she said she just bought it from a used car dealer. That's
> > precisely what the lemon laws are there for...
>
>
> Lemon laws apply to new cars, not fifteen year old You Buy Here
> You Pay Here cars.
>
> But please, let us know if your White Knight Riding To The Rescue
> tactics get you laid. I mean, after all, whatever works.
>

In NY, the lemon law certainly applies to used cars, and was a large part of the reason it was written...

Now, into the bozo bin where you belong...


--
Joe

"What Color do smurfs turn when you choke them?"

 

Joe LaVigne wrote:
> On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 23:25:07 -0700
> Steve Daniels <sdaniels@gorge.net> wrote:
>
>
>>On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 01:09:37 -0400, against all advice, something
>>compelled Joe LaVigne <jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com>, to say:
>>
>>
>>> Steve Daniels wrote:
>>>
>>> > On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 00:17:38 -0400, against all advice, something
>>> > compelled Joe LaVigne <jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com>, to say:
>>> >
>>> >> dppe@huskeraccess.com wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> > Yesterday, I bought a 1992 Honda Civic EX for my daughter.
>>> >
>>> >> Not sure where you are, but most areas now have Lemon Laws, which
>>> >> require the dealer to fix any such problems that show up within a
>>> >> certain amount of
>>> >> time. Go back to the dealer, show them the light, and tell them you
>>> >> want it fixed.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Yeah.
>>> >
>>> > Let's see.
>>> >
>>> > 2007 - 1992 = 15. Run off you your nearest Honda dealer and
>>> > raise a ruckus over a fifteen year old used car that is
>>> > indicating a fault. I'm sure the dealer will fall all over
>>> > itself in fear of violating some lemon law.
>>> >
>>>
>>> Hey, face, she said she just bought it from a used car dealer. That's
>>> precisely what the lemon laws are there for...
>>
>>
>>Lemon laws apply to new cars, not fifteen year old You Buy Here
>>You Pay Here cars.
>>
>>But please, let us know if your White Knight Riding To The Rescue
>>tactics get you laid. I mean, after all, whatever works.
>>
>
>
> In NY, the lemon law certainly applies to used cars, and was a large part of the reason it was written...
>
> Now, into the bozo bin where you belong...
>
>


Laws vary by state, but Joe is certainly right about NY. As long as
you paid at least $1500 for the car, you should have a 30 day warranty
on the major components. If you don't live in NY, check with your
state's Attorney General's Office.

 

Joe LaVigne wrote:
> On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 23:25:07 -0700
> Steve Daniels <sdaniels@gorge.net> wrote:
>
>
>>On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 01:09:37 -0400, against all advice, something
>>compelled Joe LaVigne <jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com>, to say:
>>
>>
>>> Steve Daniels wrote:
>>>
>>> > On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 00:17:38 -0400, against all advice, something
>>> > compelled Joe LaVigne <jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com>, to say:
>>> >
>>> >> dppe@huskeraccess.com wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> > Yesterday, I bought a 1992 Honda Civic EX for my daughter.
>>> >
>>> >> Not sure where you are, but most areas now have Lemon Laws, which
>>> >> require the dealer to fix any such problems that show up within a
>>> >> certain amount of
>>> >> time. Go back to the dealer, show them the light, and tell them you
>>> >> want it fixed.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Yeah.
>>> >
>>> > Let's see.
>>> >
>>> > 2007 - 1992 = 15. Run off you your nearest Honda dealer and
>>> > raise a ruckus over a fifteen year old used car that is
>>> > indicating a fault. I'm sure the dealer will fall all over
>>> > itself in fear of violating some lemon law.
>>> >
>>>
>>> Hey, face, she said she just bought it from a used car dealer. That's
>>> precisely what the lemon laws are there for...
>>
>>
>>Lemon laws apply to new cars, not fifteen year old You Buy Here
>>You Pay Here cars.
>>
>>But please, let us know if your White Knight Riding To The Rescue
>>tactics get you laid. I mean, after all, whatever works.
>>
>
>
> In NY, the lemon law certainly applies to used cars, and was a large part of the reason it was written...
>
> Now, into the bozo bin where you belong...
>
>


Laws vary by state, but Joe is certainly right about NY. As long as
you paid at least $1500 for the car, you should have a 30 day warranty
on the major components. If you don't live in NY, check with your
state's Attorney General's Office.

 

Joe LaVigne wrote:
> On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 23:25:07 -0700
> Steve Daniels <sdaniels@gorge.net> wrote:
>
>
>>On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 01:09:37 -0400, against all advice, something
>>compelled Joe LaVigne <jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com>, to say:
>>
>>
>>> Steve Daniels wrote:
>>>
>>> > On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 00:17:38 -0400, against all advice, something
>>> > compelled Joe LaVigne <jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com>, to say:
>>> >
>>> >> dppe@huskeraccess.com wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> > Yesterday, I bought a 1992 Honda Civic EX for my daughter.
>>> >
>>> >> Not sure where you are, but most areas now have Lemon Laws, which
>>> >> require the dealer to fix any such problems that show up within a
>>> >> certain amount of
>>> >> time. Go back to the dealer, show them the light, and tell them you
>>> >> want it fixed.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Yeah.
>>> >
>>> > Let's see.
>>> >
>>> > 2007 - 1992 = 15. Run off you your nearest Honda dealer and
>>> > raise a ruckus over a fifteen year old used car that is
>>> > indicating a fault. I'm sure the dealer will fall all over
>>> > itself in fear of violating some lemon law.
>>> >
>>>
>>> Hey, face, she said she just bought it from a used car dealer. That's
>>> precisely what the lemon laws are there for...
>>
>>
>>Lemon laws apply to new cars, not fifteen year old You Buy Here
>>You Pay Here cars.
>>
>>But please, let us know if your White Knight Riding To The Rescue
>>tactics get you laid. I mean, after all, whatever works.
>>
>
>
> In NY, the lemon law certainly applies to used cars, and was a large part of the reason it was written...
>
> Now, into the bozo bin where you belong...
>
>


Laws vary by state, but Joe is certainly right about NY. As long as
you paid at least $1500 for the car, you should have a 30 day warranty
on the major components. If you don't live in NY, check with your
state's Attorney General's Office.

 

Joe LaVigne, wrote the following at or about 7/27/2007 12:09 AM:
> Steve Daniels wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 00:17:38 -0400, against all advice, something
>> compelled Joe LaVigne <jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com>, to say:
>>
>>> dppe@huskeraccess.com wrote:
>>>
>>> > Yesterday, I bought a 1992 Honda Civic EX for my daughter.
>>> Not sure where you are, but most areas now have Lemon Laws, which
>>> require the dealer to fix any such problems that show up within a
>>> certain amount of
>>> time. Go back to the dealer, show them the light, and tell them you
>>> want it fixed.
>>
>> Yeah.
>>
>> Let's see.
>>
>> 2007 - 1992 = 15. Run off you your nearest Honda dealer and
>> raise a ruckus over a fifteen year old used car that is
>> indicating a fault. I'm sure the dealer will fall all over
>> itself in fear of violating some lemon law.
>>
>
> Hey, face, she said she just bought it from a used car dealer. That's
> precisely what the lemon laws are there for...

Actually (at the risk of incurring your wrath) that's not correct, Joe.
"Lemon Laws" typically are in place to hole the feet of the
MANUFACTURER to the fire when your shiny NEW car spends more time in the
shop than it does on the road or your garage. Even then, "Lemon Laws"
take effect only after a set number of attempts by the manufacturer or
his rep (dealer) have been made to repair the problem. That number of
required attempts varies by state.

With a used car dealer his only recourse is to pursue any warranty which
was offered or purchased. Seems unlikely that he could prove fraud in
this case. The brakes work and apparently there was no indication of
impending failure when the deal was struck - assuming the purchaser
drove the used car, right? Problems with ABS MAY be intermittent but,
then again, what notice do you have the FIRST time there's a problem?
Right! The trouble light comes on. That trouble light is NOT something
you can typically jerry-rig to remain off until you sell the car. So,
once again, the warranty, if any, is his recourse. If he bought it
"As-is" then, of course, he owns a car with a failing ABS system and
it's his problem alone.

 

Joe LaVigne, wrote the following at or about 7/27/2007 12:09 AM:
> Steve Daniels wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 00:17:38 -0400, against all advice, something
>> compelled Joe LaVigne <jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com>, to say:
>>
>>> dppe@huskeraccess.com wrote:
>>>
>>> > Yesterday, I bought a 1992 Honda Civic EX for my daughter.
>>> Not sure where you are, but most areas now have Lemon Laws, which
>>> require the dealer to fix any such problems that show up within a
>>> certain amount of
>>> time. Go back to the dealer, show them the light, and tell them you
>>> want it fixed.
>>
>> Yeah.
>>
>> Let's see.
>>
>> 2007 - 1992 = 15. Run off you your nearest Honda dealer and
>> raise a ruckus over a fifteen year old used car that is
>> indicating a fault. I'm sure the dealer will fall all over
>> itself in fear of violating some lemon law.
>>
>
> Hey, face, she said she just bought it from a used car dealer. That's
> precisely what the lemon laws are there for...

Actually (at the risk of incurring your wrath) that's not correct, Joe.
"Lemon Laws" typically are in place to hole the feet of the
MANUFACTURER to the fire when your shiny NEW car spends more time in the
shop than it does on the road or your garage. Even then, "Lemon Laws"
take effect only after a set number of attempts by the manufacturer or
his rep (dealer) have been made to repair the problem. That number of
required attempts varies by state.

With a used car dealer his only recourse is to pursue any warranty which
was offered or purchased. Seems unlikely that he could prove fraud in
this case. The brakes work and apparently there was no indication of
impending failure when the deal was struck - assuming the purchaser
drove the used car, right? Problems with ABS MAY be intermittent but,
then again, what notice do you have the FIRST time there's a problem?
Right! The trouble light comes on. That trouble light is NOT something
you can typically jerry-rig to remain off until you sell the car. So,
once again, the warranty, if any, is his recourse. If he bought it
"As-is" then, of course, he owns a car with a failing ABS system and
it's his problem alone.

 

Joe LaVigne, wrote the following at or about 7/27/2007 12:09 AM:
> Steve Daniels wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 00:17:38 -0400, against all advice, something
>> compelled Joe LaVigne <jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com>, to say:
>>
>>> dppe@huskeraccess.com wrote:
>>>
>>> > Yesterday, I bought a 1992 Honda Civic EX for my daughter.
>>> Not sure where you are, but most areas now have Lemon Laws, which
>>> require the dealer to fix any such problems that show up within a
>>> certain amount of
>>> time. Go back to the dealer, show them the light, and tell them you
>>> want it fixed.
>>
>> Yeah.
>>
>> Let's see.
>>
>> 2007 - 1992 = 15. Run off you your nearest Honda dealer and
>> raise a ruckus over a fifteen year old used car that is
>> indicating a fault. I'm sure the dealer will fall all over
>> itself in fear of violating some lemon law.
>>
>
> Hey, face, she said she just bought it from a used car dealer. That's
> precisely what the lemon laws are there for...

Actually (at the risk of incurring your wrath) that's not correct, Joe.
"Lemon Laws" typically are in place to hole the feet of the
MANUFACTURER to the fire when your shiny NEW car spends more time in the
shop than it does on the road or your garage. Even then, "Lemon Laws"
take effect only after a set number of attempts by the manufacturer or
his rep (dealer) have been made to repair the problem. That number of
required attempts varies by state.

With a used car dealer his only recourse is to pursue any warranty which
was offered or purchased. Seems unlikely that he could prove fraud in
this case. The brakes work and apparently there was no indication of
impending failure when the deal was struck - assuming the purchaser
drove the used car, right? Problems with ABS MAY be intermittent but,
then again, what notice do you have the FIRST time there's a problem?
Right! The trouble light comes on. That trouble light is NOT something
you can typically jerry-rig to remain off until you sell the car. So,
once again, the warranty, if any, is his recourse. If he bought it
"As-is" then, of course, he owns a car with a failing ABS system and
it's his problem alone.

 

Joe LaVigne, wrote the following at or about 7/27/2007 2:46 AM:

>
> In NY, the lemon law certainly applies to used cars, and was a large part of the reason it was written...
>


I'll be damned. New York State DOES have a used car Lemon Law which
reads, in pertinent part

"Under the law, a used car is one which satisfies all the following five
conditions:

(1) It was purchased, leased or transferred after the earlier of (a)
18,000 miles of operation or (b) two years from the date of original
delivery; and

(2) It was purchased or leased from a New York dealer; and

(3) It had a purchase price or lease value of at least $1,500; and

(4) It had been driven 100,000 miles or less at the time of purchase or
lease; and

(5) It is primarily used for personal purposes."

Two questions and only one counts for anything in this discussion.

1) what makes you think he purchased the car in NY State?

2) He DID say that the car has 116,000 miles on the odometer so... it's
automatically excluded from the lemon law under para 4 above

 

Joe LaVigne, wrote the following at or about 7/27/2007 2:46 AM:

>
> In NY, the lemon law certainly applies to used cars, and was a large part of the reason it was written...
>


I'll be damned. New York State DOES have a used car Lemon Law which
reads, in pertinent part

"Under the law, a used car is one which satisfies all the following five
conditions:

(1) It was purchased, leased or transferred after the earlier of (a)
18,000 miles of operation or (b) two years from the date of original
delivery; and

(2) It was purchased or leased from a New York dealer; and

(3) It had a purchase price or lease value of at least $1,500; and

(4) It had been driven 100,000 miles or less at the time of purchase or
lease; and

(5) It is primarily used for personal purposes."

Two questions and only one counts for anything in this discussion.

1) what makes you think he purchased the car in NY State?

2) He DID say that the car has 116,000 miles on the odometer so... it's
automatically excluded from the lemon law under para 4 above

 

Joe LaVigne, wrote the following at or about 7/27/2007 2:46 AM:

>
> In NY, the lemon law certainly applies to used cars, and was a large part of the reason it was written...
>


I'll be damned. New York State DOES have a used car Lemon Law which
reads, in pertinent part

"Under the law, a used car is one which satisfies all the following five
conditions:

(1) It was purchased, leased or transferred after the earlier of (a)
18,000 miles of operation or (b) two years from the date of original
delivery; and

(2) It was purchased or leased from a New York dealer; and

(3) It had a purchase price or lease value of at least $1,500; and

(4) It had been driven 100,000 miles or less at the time of purchase or
lease; and

(5) It is primarily used for personal purposes."

Two questions and only one counts for anything in this discussion.

1) what makes you think he purchased the car in NY State?

2) He DID say that the car has 116,000 miles on the odometer so... it's
automatically excluded from the lemon law under para 4 above

 

On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 19:37:40 GMT
Unquestionably Confused <puzzled2@ameritech.net> wrote:

> Actually (at the risk of incurring your wrath) that's not correct, Joe.
> "Lemon Laws" typically are in place to hole the feet of the
> MANUFACTURER to the fire when your shiny NEW car spends more time in the
> shop than it does on the road or your garage. Even then, "Lemon Laws"
> take effect only after a set number of attempts by the manufacturer or
> his rep (dealer) have been made to repair the problem. That number of
> required attempts varies by state.
>
> With a used car dealer his only recourse is to pursue any warranty which
> was offered or purchased. Seems unlikely that he could prove fraud in
> this case. The brakes work and apparently there was no indication of
> impending failure when the deal was struck - assuming the purchaser
> drove the used car, right? Problems with ABS MAY be intermittent but,
> then again, what notice do you have the FIRST time there's a problem?
> Right! The trouble light comes on. That trouble light is NOT something
> you can typically jerry-rig to remain off until you sell the car. So,
> once again, the warranty, if any, is his recourse. If he bought it
> "As-is" then, of course, he owns a car with a failing ABS system and
> it's his problem alone.

In NY, the Lemon Law clearly covers used cars. They were pursued by lobbyists in NY in an effort to keep used car dealers a bit more honest. As I originally stated, and another poster has stated since, your local laws may (and will) vary, but it is quite worth it to find out what those laws cover.

I have personally had a used car dealer correct such problems on my previous car (1997 Caravan) within a week of buying, as it was required by law.

--
Joe

"What Color do smurfs turn when you choke them?"

 

On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 19:37:40 GMT
Unquestionably Confused <puzzled2@ameritech.net> wrote:

> Actually (at the risk of incurring your wrath) that's not correct, Joe.
> "Lemon Laws" typically are in place to hole the feet of the
> MANUFACTURER to the fire when your shiny NEW car spends more time in the
> shop than it does on the road or your garage. Even then, "Lemon Laws"
> take effect only after a set number of attempts by the manufacturer or
> his rep (dealer) have been made to repair the problem. That number of
> required attempts varies by state.
>
> With a used car dealer his only recourse is to pursue any warranty which
> was offered or purchased. Seems unlikely that he could prove fraud in
> this case. The brakes work and apparently there was no indication of
> impending failure when the deal was struck - assuming the purchaser
> drove the used car, right? Problems with ABS MAY be intermittent but,
> then again, what notice do you have the FIRST time there's a problem?
> Right! The trouble light comes on. That trouble light is NOT something
> you can typically jerry-rig to remain off until you sell the car. So,
> once again, the warranty, if any, is his recourse. If he bought it
> "As-is" then, of course, he owns a car with a failing ABS system and
> it's his problem alone.

In NY, the Lemon Law clearly covers used cars. They were pursued by lobbyists in NY in an effort to keep used car dealers a bit more honest. As I originally stated, and another poster has stated since, your local laws may (and will) vary, but it is quite worth it to find out what those laws cover.

I have personally had a used car dealer correct such problems on my previous car (1997 Caravan) within a week of buying, as it was required by law.

--
Joe

"What Color do smurfs turn when you choke them?"