Re: Battery cable came off!
 

Jim Yanik wrote:
> Matt Ion <soundy106@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:Clegh.480395$5R2.401317@pd7urf3no:
>
> > Grumpy AuContraire wrote:
> >
> >> Uh, the battery is nothing more thann a large capacitor.
> >
> > Actually, they're not. Capacitors /store/ electrical energy.
> > Batteries /create/ it via a chemical reaction. Charging a battery is
> > not storing energy; it's (to oversimplify) merely reversing the
> > checmical reaction.
> >
>
> The plates of a battery have capacitance.
> They are charged by the chemical reaction.

A car battery has many farads of capacitance. In other words,
it's a very stout capacitor..
MK

Re: Battery cable came off!
 

Jim Yanik wrote:
> Matt Ion <soundy106@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:Clegh.480395$5R2.401317@pd7urf3no:
>
> > Grumpy AuContraire wrote:
> >
> >> Uh, the battery is nothing more thann a large capacitor.
> >
> > Actually, they're not. Capacitors /store/ electrical energy.
> > Batteries /create/ it via a chemical reaction. Charging a battery is
> > not storing energy; it's (to oversimplify) merely reversing the
> > checmical reaction.
> >
>
> The plates of a battery have capacitance.
> They are charged by the chemical reaction.

A car battery has many farads of capacitance. In other words,
it's a very stout capacitor..
MK

Re: Battery cable came off!
 

Jim Yanik wrote:
> Matt Ion <soundy106@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:Clegh.480395$5R2.401317@pd7urf3no:
>
> > Grumpy AuContraire wrote:
> >
> >> Uh, the battery is nothing more thann a large capacitor.
> >
> > Actually, they're not. Capacitors /store/ electrical energy.
> > Batteries /create/ it via a chemical reaction. Charging a battery is
> > not storing energy; it's (to oversimplify) merely reversing the
> > checmical reaction.
> >
>
> The plates of a battery have capacitance.
> They are charged by the chemical reaction.

A car battery has many farads of capacitance. In other words,
it's a very stout capacitor..
MK

Re: Battery cable came off!
 

jrk wrote:
> "Matt Ion" <soundy106@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:Clegh.480395$5R2.401317@pd7urf3no...
>
>>Grumpy AuContraire wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Uh, the battery is nothing more thann a large capacitor.
>>
>>Actually, they're not. Capacitors /store/ electrical energy. Batteries
>>/create/ it via a chemical reaction. Charging a battery is not storing
>>energy; it's (to oversimplify) merely reversing the checmical reaction.
>
>
> Batteries most definitely do have capacitance, do you have a meter?

Sure they do. A pair of wires running side-by-side do too. Not enough to
consider them functional "capacitors" though.

> Batteries most definitely do store energy when charged. Or are you
> suggesting that when it is used up that more is created out of nothing?

Yes, they store energy... but not ELECTRICAL energy. That's generated out of a
chemical reaction.

Re: Battery cable came off!
 

jrk wrote:
> "Matt Ion" <soundy106@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:Clegh.480395$5R2.401317@pd7urf3no...
>
>>Grumpy AuContraire wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Uh, the battery is nothing more thann a large capacitor.
>>
>>Actually, they're not. Capacitors /store/ electrical energy. Batteries
>>/create/ it via a chemical reaction. Charging a battery is not storing
>>energy; it's (to oversimplify) merely reversing the checmical reaction.
>
>
> Batteries most definitely do have capacitance, do you have a meter?

Sure they do. A pair of wires running side-by-side do too. Not enough to
consider them functional "capacitors" though.

> Batteries most definitely do store energy when charged. Or are you
> suggesting that when it is used up that more is created out of nothing?

Yes, they store energy... but not ELECTRICAL energy. That's generated out of a
chemical reaction.

Re: Battery cable came off!
 

jrk wrote:
> "Matt Ion" <soundy106@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:Clegh.480395$5R2.401317@pd7urf3no...
>
>>Grumpy AuContraire wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Uh, the battery is nothing more thann a large capacitor.
>>
>>Actually, they're not. Capacitors /store/ electrical energy. Batteries
>>/create/ it via a chemical reaction. Charging a battery is not storing
>>energy; it's (to oversimplify) merely reversing the checmical reaction.
>
>
> Batteries most definitely do have capacitance, do you have a meter?

Sure they do. A pair of wires running side-by-side do too. Not enough to
consider them functional "capacitors" though.

> Batteries most definitely do store energy when charged. Or are you
> suggesting that when it is used up that more is created out of nothing?

Yes, they store energy... but not ELECTRICAL energy. That's generated out of a
chemical reaction.

Re: Battery cable came off!
 

jrk wrote:
> "Matt Ion" <soundy106@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:Clegh.480395$5R2.401317@pd7urf3no...
>
>>Grumpy AuContraire wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Uh, the battery is nothing more thann a large capacitor.
>>
>>Actually, they're not. Capacitors /store/ electrical energy. Batteries
>>/create/ it via a chemical reaction. Charging a battery is not storing
>>energy; it's (to oversimplify) merely reversing the checmical reaction.
>
>
> Batteries most definitely do have capacitance, do you have a meter?

Sure they do. A pair of wires running side-by-side do too. Not enough to
consider them functional "capacitors" though.

> Batteries most definitely do store energy when charged. Or are you
> suggesting that when it is used up that more is created out of nothing?

Yes, they store energy... but not ELECTRICAL energy. That's generated out of a
chemical reaction.

Re: Battery cable came off!
 

nm5k@wt.net wrote:
> Jim Yanik wrote:
>
>>Matt Ion <soundy106@gmail.com> wrote in
>>news:Clegh.480395$5R2.401317@pd7urf3no:
>>
>>
>>>Grumpy AuContraire wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Uh, the battery is nothing more thann a large capacitor.
>>>
>>>Actually, they're not. Capacitors /store/ electrical energy.
>>>Batteries /create/ it via a chemical reaction. Charging a battery is
>>>not storing energy; it's (to oversimplify) merely reversing the
>>>checmical reaction.
>>>
>>
>>The plates of a battery have capacitance.
>>They are charged by the chemical reaction.
>
>
> A car battery has many farads of capacitance. In other words,
> it's a very stout capacitor..

Not even close. The smaller the plates of a capacitor, the less the
capacitance. The further apart they are, the less the capacitance. Lead-acid
battery plates are EXTREMELY small and EXTREMELY far apart compared to a true
capacitor's.

If you were to drain the water from a battery and measure the capacitance, I
suspect you'd find it in the low microfarads, if not picofarads.

Re: Battery cable came off!
 

nm5k@wt.net wrote:
> Jim Yanik wrote:
>
>>Matt Ion <soundy106@gmail.com> wrote in
>>news:Clegh.480395$5R2.401317@pd7urf3no:
>>
>>
>>>Grumpy AuContraire wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Uh, the battery is nothing more thann a large capacitor.
>>>
>>>Actually, they're not. Capacitors /store/ electrical energy.
>>>Batteries /create/ it via a chemical reaction. Charging a battery is
>>>not storing energy; it's (to oversimplify) merely reversing the
>>>checmical reaction.
>>>
>>
>>The plates of a battery have capacitance.
>>They are charged by the chemical reaction.
>
>
> A car battery has many farads of capacitance. In other words,
> it's a very stout capacitor..

Not even close. The smaller the plates of a capacitor, the less the
capacitance. The further apart they are, the less the capacitance. Lead-acid
battery plates are EXTREMELY small and EXTREMELY far apart compared to a true
capacitor's.

If you were to drain the water from a battery and measure the capacitance, I
suspect you'd find it in the low microfarads, if not picofarads.

Re: Battery cable came off!
 

nm5k@wt.net wrote:
> Jim Yanik wrote:
>
>>Matt Ion <soundy106@gmail.com> wrote in
>>news:Clegh.480395$5R2.401317@pd7urf3no:
>>
>>
>>>Grumpy AuContraire wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Uh, the battery is nothing more thann a large capacitor.
>>>
>>>Actually, they're not. Capacitors /store/ electrical energy.
>>>Batteries /create/ it via a chemical reaction. Charging a battery is
>>>not storing energy; it's (to oversimplify) merely reversing the
>>>checmical reaction.
>>>
>>
>>The plates of a battery have capacitance.
>>They are charged by the chemical reaction.
>
>
> A car battery has many farads of capacitance. In other words,
> it's a very stout capacitor..

Not even close. The smaller the plates of a capacitor, the less the
capacitance. The further apart they are, the less the capacitance. Lead-acid
battery plates are EXTREMELY small and EXTREMELY far apart compared to a true
capacitor's.

If you were to drain the water from a battery and measure the capacitance, I
suspect you'd find it in the low microfarads, if not picofarads.

Re: Battery cable came off!
 

nm5k@wt.net wrote:
> Jim Yanik wrote:
>
>>Matt Ion <soundy106@gmail.com> wrote in
>>news:Clegh.480395$5R2.401317@pd7urf3no:
>>
>>
>>>Grumpy AuContraire wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Uh, the battery is nothing more thann a large capacitor.
>>>
>>>Actually, they're not. Capacitors /store/ electrical energy.
>>>Batteries /create/ it via a chemical reaction. Charging a battery is
>>>not storing energy; it's (to oversimplify) merely reversing the
>>>checmical reaction.
>>>
>>
>>The plates of a battery have capacitance.
>>They are charged by the chemical reaction.
>
>
> A car battery has many farads of capacitance. In other words,
> it's a very stout capacitor..

Not even close. The smaller the plates of a capacitor, the less the
capacitance. The further apart they are, the less the capacitance. Lead-acid
battery plates are EXTREMELY small and EXTREMELY far apart compared to a true
capacitor's.

If you were to drain the water from a battery and measure the capacitance, I
suspect you'd find it in the low microfarads, if not picofarads.

Re: Battery cable came off!
 

Tegger wrote:
> Matt Ion <soundy106@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:P8fgh.485006$R63.220768@pd7urf1no:
>
>
>>Grumpy AuContraire wrote:
>>
>>>Matt Ion wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Grumpy AuContraire wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Uh, the battery is nothing more thann a large capacitor.
>>>>
>>>>Actually, they're not. Capacitors /store/ electrical energy.
>>>>Batteries /create/ it via a chemical reaction. Charging a battery is
>>>>not storing energy; it's (to oversimplify) merely reversing the
>>>>checmical reaction.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Technically yes, but both smooth voltage..
>>
>>Batteries do, to a degree. That's not what they're designed for
>>though.
>>
>
>
>
> But it's one of the things they're *used* for.
>
> Do you want to email Bill Darden and tell him he's wrong?

I didn't say he was wrong.

Re: Battery cable came off!
 

Tegger wrote:
> Matt Ion <soundy106@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:P8fgh.485006$R63.220768@pd7urf1no:
>
>
>>Grumpy AuContraire wrote:
>>
>>>Matt Ion wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Grumpy AuContraire wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Uh, the battery is nothing more thann a large capacitor.
>>>>
>>>>Actually, they're not. Capacitors /store/ electrical energy.
>>>>Batteries /create/ it via a chemical reaction. Charging a battery is
>>>>not storing energy; it's (to oversimplify) merely reversing the
>>>>checmical reaction.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Technically yes, but both smooth voltage..
>>
>>Batteries do, to a degree. That's not what they're designed for
>>though.
>>
>
>
>
> But it's one of the things they're *used* for.
>
> Do you want to email Bill Darden and tell him he's wrong?

I didn't say he was wrong.

Re: Battery cable came off!
 

Tegger wrote:
> Matt Ion <soundy106@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:P8fgh.485006$R63.220768@pd7urf1no:
>
>
>>Grumpy AuContraire wrote:
>>
>>>Matt Ion wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Grumpy AuContraire wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Uh, the battery is nothing more thann a large capacitor.
>>>>
>>>>Actually, they're not. Capacitors /store/ electrical energy.
>>>>Batteries /create/ it via a chemical reaction. Charging a battery is
>>>>not storing energy; it's (to oversimplify) merely reversing the
>>>>checmical reaction.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Technically yes, but both smooth voltage..
>>
>>Batteries do, to a degree. That's not what they're designed for
>>though.
>>
>
>
>
> But it's one of the things they're *used* for.
>
> Do you want to email Bill Darden and tell him he's wrong?

I didn't say he was wrong.

Re: Battery cable came off!
 

Tegger wrote:
> Matt Ion <soundy106@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:P8fgh.485006$R63.220768@pd7urf1no:
>
>
>>Grumpy AuContraire wrote:
>>
>>>Matt Ion wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Grumpy AuContraire wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Uh, the battery is nothing more thann a large capacitor.
>>>>
>>>>Actually, they're not. Capacitors /store/ electrical energy.
>>>>Batteries /create/ it via a chemical reaction. Charging a battery is
>>>>not storing energy; it's (to oversimplify) merely reversing the
>>>>checmical reaction.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Technically yes, but both smooth voltage..
>>
>>Batteries do, to a degree. That's not what they're designed for
>>though.
>>
>
>
>
> But it's one of the things they're *used* for.
>
> Do you want to email Bill Darden and tell him he's wrong?

I didn't say he was wrong.