On Thu, 14 Dec 2006 11:40:44 -0700, jrk <BC80009mm@yahoo.com> wrote:



>"Matt Ion" <soundy106@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:Clegh.480395$5R2.401317@pd7urf3no...
>> Grumpy AuContraire wrote:
>>
>>> Uh, the battery is nothing more thann a large capacitor.
>>
>> Actually, they're not. Capacitors /store/ electrical energy. Batteries
>> /create/ it via a chemical reaction. Charging a battery is not storing
>> energy; it's (to oversimplify) merely reversing the checmical reaction.

>Batteries most definitely do have capacitance, do you have a meter?

>Batteries most definitely do store energy when charged. Or are you
>suggesting that when it is used up that more is created out of nothing?

Capacitors are electrostatic while batteries are electrochemical.
A capacitor capable of storing the energy within a car battery and power
capability needed to start a car would be the size of a double long semi.

 

On Thu, 14 Dec 2006 11:40:44 -0700, jrk <BC80009mm@yahoo.com> wrote:



>"Matt Ion" <soundy106@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:Clegh.480395$5R2.401317@pd7urf3no...
>> Grumpy AuContraire wrote:
>>
>>> Uh, the battery is nothing more thann a large capacitor.
>>
>> Actually, they're not. Capacitors /store/ electrical energy. Batteries
>> /create/ it via a chemical reaction. Charging a battery is not storing
>> energy; it's (to oversimplify) merely reversing the checmical reaction.

>Batteries most definitely do have capacitance, do you have a meter?

>Batteries most definitely do store energy when charged. Or are you
>suggesting that when it is used up that more is created out of nothing?

Capacitors are electrostatic while batteries are electrochemical.
A capacitor capable of storing the energy within a car battery and power
capability needed to start a car would be the size of a double long semi.

 

"AZ Nomad" <aznomad.2@PremoveOBthisOX.COM> wrote in message
news:slrneo3a5g.l92.aznomad.2@ip70-176-155-130.ph.ph.***.net...
> On Thu, 14 Dec 2006 11:40:44 -0700, jrk <BC80009mm@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>>"Matt Ion" <soundy106@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:Clegh.480395$5R2.401317@pd7urf3no...
>>> Grumpy AuContraire wrote:
>>>
>>>> Uh, the battery is nothing more thann a large capacitor.
>>>
>>> Actually, they're not. Capacitors /store/ electrical energy. Batteries
>>> /create/ it via a chemical reaction. Charging a battery is not storing
>>> energy; it's (to oversimplify) merely reversing the checmical reaction.
>
>>Batteries most definitely do have capacitance, do you have a meter?
>
>>Batteries most definitely do store energy when charged. Or are you
>>suggesting that when it is used up that more is created out of nothing?
>
> Capacitors are electrostatic while batteries are electrochemical.
> A capacitor capable of storing the energy within a car battery and power
> capability needed to start a car would be the size of a double long semi.

True, but nobody is suggesting that you start your car with a capacitor. At
issue was the batteries ability to absorb spikes from the alternator. Given
that, batteries do have capacitance. I don't know how much it should be to
be effective though, but its there.

 

"AZ Nomad" <aznomad.2@PremoveOBthisOX.COM> wrote in message
news:slrneo3a5g.l92.aznomad.2@ip70-176-155-130.ph.ph.***.net...
> On Thu, 14 Dec 2006 11:40:44 -0700, jrk <BC80009mm@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>>"Matt Ion" <soundy106@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:Clegh.480395$5R2.401317@pd7urf3no...
>>> Grumpy AuContraire wrote:
>>>
>>>> Uh, the battery is nothing more thann a large capacitor.
>>>
>>> Actually, they're not. Capacitors /store/ electrical energy. Batteries
>>> /create/ it via a chemical reaction. Charging a battery is not storing
>>> energy; it's (to oversimplify) merely reversing the checmical reaction.
>
>>Batteries most definitely do have capacitance, do you have a meter?
>
>>Batteries most definitely do store energy when charged. Or are you
>>suggesting that when it is used up that more is created out of nothing?
>
> Capacitors are electrostatic while batteries are electrochemical.
> A capacitor capable of storing the energy within a car battery and power
> capability needed to start a car would be the size of a double long semi.

True, but nobody is suggesting that you start your car with a capacitor. At
issue was the batteries ability to absorb spikes from the alternator. Given
that, batteries do have capacitance. I don't know how much it should be to
be effective though, but its there.

 

"AZ Nomad" <aznomad.2@PremoveOBthisOX.COM> wrote in message
news:slrneo3a5g.l92.aznomad.2@ip70-176-155-130.ph.ph.***.net...
> On Thu, 14 Dec 2006 11:40:44 -0700, jrk <BC80009mm@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>>"Matt Ion" <soundy106@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:Clegh.480395$5R2.401317@pd7urf3no...
>>> Grumpy AuContraire wrote:
>>>
>>>> Uh, the battery is nothing more thann a large capacitor.
>>>
>>> Actually, they're not. Capacitors /store/ electrical energy. Batteries
>>> /create/ it via a chemical reaction. Charging a battery is not storing
>>> energy; it's (to oversimplify) merely reversing the checmical reaction.
>
>>Batteries most definitely do have capacitance, do you have a meter?
>
>>Batteries most definitely do store energy when charged. Or are you
>>suggesting that when it is used up that more is created out of nothing?
>
> Capacitors are electrostatic while batteries are electrochemical.
> A capacitor capable of storing the energy within a car battery and power
> capability needed to start a car would be the size of a double long semi.

True, but nobody is suggesting that you start your car with a capacitor. At
issue was the batteries ability to absorb spikes from the alternator. Given
that, batteries do have capacitance. I don't know how much it should be to
be effective though, but its there.

 

"AZ Nomad" <aznomad.2@PremoveOBthisOX.COM> wrote in message
news:slrneo3a5g.l92.aznomad.2@ip70-176-155-130.ph.ph.***.net...
> On Thu, 14 Dec 2006 11:40:44 -0700, jrk <BC80009mm@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>>"Matt Ion" <soundy106@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:Clegh.480395$5R2.401317@pd7urf3no...
>>> Grumpy AuContraire wrote:
>>>
>>>> Uh, the battery is nothing more thann a large capacitor.
>>>
>>> Actually, they're not. Capacitors /store/ electrical energy. Batteries
>>> /create/ it via a chemical reaction. Charging a battery is not storing
>>> energy; it's (to oversimplify) merely reversing the checmical reaction.
>
>>Batteries most definitely do have capacitance, do you have a meter?
>
>>Batteries most definitely do store energy when charged. Or are you
>>suggesting that when it is used up that more is created out of nothing?
>
> Capacitors are electrostatic while batteries are electrochemical.
> A capacitor capable of storing the energy within a car battery and power
> capability needed to start a car would be the size of a double long semi.

True, but nobody is suggesting that you start your car with a capacitor. At
issue was the batteries ability to absorb spikes from the alternator. Given
that, batteries do have capacitance. I don't know how much it should be to
be effective though, but its there.

 

I feel like Kerry... "What I meant to say is, 'Uh, the battery is
nothing more than THE EQUIVALENT of a large capacitor.'"

I think that it's time for a belt of Pinch!

JT




Jim Yanik wrote:
>
> Matt Ion <soundy106@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:Clegh.480395$5R2.401317@pd7urf3no:
>
> > Grumpy AuContraire wrote:
> >
> >> Uh, the battery is nothing more thann a large capacitor.
> >
> > Actually, they're not. Capacitors /store/ electrical energy.
> > Batteries /create/ it via a chemical reaction. Charging a battery is
> > not storing energy; it's (to oversimplify) merely reversing the
> > checmical reaction.
> >
>
> The plates of a battery have capacitance.
> They are charged by the chemical reaction.
>
> --
> Jim Yanik
> jyanik
> at
> kua.net

 

I feel like Kerry... "What I meant to say is, 'Uh, the battery is
nothing more than THE EQUIVALENT of a large capacitor.'"

I think that it's time for a belt of Pinch!

JT




Jim Yanik wrote:
>
> Matt Ion <soundy106@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:Clegh.480395$5R2.401317@pd7urf3no:
>
> > Grumpy AuContraire wrote:
> >
> >> Uh, the battery is nothing more thann a large capacitor.
> >
> > Actually, they're not. Capacitors /store/ electrical energy.
> > Batteries /create/ it via a chemical reaction. Charging a battery is
> > not storing energy; it's (to oversimplify) merely reversing the
> > checmical reaction.
> >
>
> The plates of a battery have capacitance.
> They are charged by the chemical reaction.
>
> --
> Jim Yanik
> jyanik
> at
> kua.net

 

I feel like Kerry... "What I meant to say is, 'Uh, the battery is
nothing more than THE EQUIVALENT of a large capacitor.'"

I think that it's time for a belt of Pinch!

JT




Jim Yanik wrote:
>
> Matt Ion <soundy106@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:Clegh.480395$5R2.401317@pd7urf3no:
>
> > Grumpy AuContraire wrote:
> >
> >> Uh, the battery is nothing more thann a large capacitor.
> >
> > Actually, they're not. Capacitors /store/ electrical energy.
> > Batteries /create/ it via a chemical reaction. Charging a battery is
> > not storing energy; it's (to oversimplify) merely reversing the
> > checmical reaction.
> >
>
> The plates of a battery have capacitance.
> They are charged by the chemical reaction.
>
> --
> Jim Yanik
> jyanik
> at
> kua.net

 

I feel like Kerry... "What I meant to say is, 'Uh, the battery is
nothing more than THE EQUIVALENT of a large capacitor.'"

I think that it's time for a belt of Pinch!

JT




Jim Yanik wrote:
>
> Matt Ion <soundy106@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:Clegh.480395$5R2.401317@pd7urf3no:
>
> > Grumpy AuContraire wrote:
> >
> >> Uh, the battery is nothing more thann a large capacitor.
> >
> > Actually, they're not. Capacitors /store/ electrical energy.
> > Batteries /create/ it via a chemical reaction. Charging a battery is
> > not storing energy; it's (to oversimplify) merely reversing the
> > checmical reaction.
> >
>
> The plates of a battery have capacitance.
> They are charged by the chemical reaction.
>
> --
> Jim Yanik
> jyanik
> at
> kua.net

 

Jim Yanik wrote:
> Matt Ion <soundy106@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:Clegh.480395$5R2.401317@pd7urf3no:
>
> > Grumpy AuContraire wrote:
> >
> >> Uh, the battery is nothing more thann a large capacitor.
> >
> > Actually, they're not. Capacitors /store/ electrical energy.
> > Batteries /create/ it via a chemical reaction. Charging a battery is
> > not storing energy; it's (to oversimplify) merely reversing the
> > checmical reaction.
> >
>
> The plates of a battery have capacitance.
> They are charged by the chemical reaction.

A car battery has many farads of capacitance. In other words,
it's a very stout capacitor..
MK

 

Jim Yanik wrote:
> Matt Ion <soundy106@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:Clegh.480395$5R2.401317@pd7urf3no:
>
> > Grumpy AuContraire wrote:
> >
> >> Uh, the battery is nothing more thann a large capacitor.
> >
> > Actually, they're not. Capacitors /store/ electrical energy.
> > Batteries /create/ it via a chemical reaction. Charging a battery is
> > not storing energy; it's (to oversimplify) merely reversing the
> > checmical reaction.
> >
>
> The plates of a battery have capacitance.
> They are charged by the chemical reaction.

A car battery has many farads of capacitance. In other words,
it's a very stout capacitor..
MK

 

Jim Yanik wrote:
> Matt Ion <soundy106@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:Clegh.480395$5R2.401317@pd7urf3no:
>
> > Grumpy AuContraire wrote:
> >
> >> Uh, the battery is nothing more thann a large capacitor.
> >
> > Actually, they're not. Capacitors /store/ electrical energy.
> > Batteries /create/ it via a chemical reaction. Charging a battery is
> > not storing energy; it's (to oversimplify) merely reversing the
> > checmical reaction.
> >
>
> The plates of a battery have capacitance.
> They are charged by the chemical reaction.

A car battery has many farads of capacitance. In other words,
it's a very stout capacitor..
MK

 

Jim Yanik wrote:
> Matt Ion <soundy106@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:Clegh.480395$5R2.401317@pd7urf3no:
>
> > Grumpy AuContraire wrote:
> >
> >> Uh, the battery is nothing more thann a large capacitor.
> >
> > Actually, they're not. Capacitors /store/ electrical energy.
> > Batteries /create/ it via a chemical reaction. Charging a battery is
> > not storing energy; it's (to oversimplify) merely reversing the
> > checmical reaction.
> >
>
> The plates of a battery have capacitance.
> They are charged by the chemical reaction.

A car battery has many farads of capacitance. In other words,
it's a very stout capacitor..
MK

 

Jim Yanik wrote:
> Matt Ion <soundy106@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:Clegh.480395$5R2.401317@pd7urf3no:
>
> > Grumpy AuContraire wrote:
> >
> >> Uh, the battery is nothing more thann a large capacitor.
> >
> > Actually, they're not. Capacitors /store/ electrical energy.
> > Batteries /create/ it via a chemical reaction. Charging a battery is
> > not storing energy; it's (to oversimplify) merely reversing the
> > checmical reaction.
> >
>
> The plates of a battery have capacitance.
> They are charged by the chemical reaction.

A car battery has many farads of capacitance. In other words,
it's a very stout capacitor..
MK