Paul wrote:
> I guess "grind" wasnt the best word, its more like a cluck, not very
> loud and i can feel it too. you say to check the motor mounts, are you
> thinking that when i downshift the motor is, i guess, "rocking" and
> making a cluck?

that's it.

> That would explain why i can sort of feel it. Also,
> how would i check the mounts? Just put a socket on them and tighten the
> bolts?

put it in park [on level ground], lift the hood, and with the parking
brake OFF, rock the car back and forth. you'll see the motor move and
the cracks should open up to be visible. if you can get an angle to see
them. if not, you might need to have an assistant help you rock the car
while you poke about with a mirror.

>
> jim beam wrote:
>> Paul wrote:
>>> I agree with what you say, and yes the trans is protected, it
>>> specifically explains in the manual what you said, but the cluck and
>>> sometimes a grind only happens when i manually shift. Don't get me
>>> wrong, 99% of the time i let the trans shift on its own, but if the
>>> trans is developing problems wouldn't they be there all the time? again
>>> i cant figure out why it grinds only when i manually shift.
>> is it a "grind" like when your cousin drives your stick and doesn't use
>> the clutch properly, or some other kind of noise? i ask because there
>> is no mechanism inside the transmission that really allows for "grind"
>> unless it's major failure. and have you checked the motor mounts?
>>
>>
>>> jim beam wrote:
>>>> Dano58 wrote:
>>>>> jim beam wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> the transmission is protected - it won't allow shifts that damage it.
>>>>> Perhaps - but are you saying that a 'grind' or 'clunk' is normal? I
>>>>> don't think so. And if the transmission is starting to develop
>>>>> problems, then manually shifting it certainly won't help it.
>>>> how does that work? you're not actuating anything in the box by moving
>>>> the shift lever - all you're doing is changing from autonomous shift
>>>> control to non-autonomous. all internals of the box function /exactly/
>>>> as before. if there is a "clunk" it's more likely a broken engine
>>>> mount. or maybe a worn driveshaft or final drive, but the driver alone
>>>> can't influence how the shifter mechanism behaves to make a noise like
>>>> that - that bit is fully automatic under all conditions. /and/ there
>>>> are safety over-rides to protect it from driver mistakes.
>>>>
>>>>> Again, I
>>>>> would let it perform as designed and shift for itself - that's the best
>>>>> way to protect it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dan D
>>>>> '07 Odyssey
>>>>>
>

 

Paul wrote:
> I guess "grind" wasnt the best word, its more like a cluck, not very
> loud and i can feel it too. you say to check the motor mounts, are you
> thinking that when i downshift the motor is, i guess, "rocking" and
> making a cluck?

that's it.

> That would explain why i can sort of feel it. Also,
> how would i check the mounts? Just put a socket on them and tighten the
> bolts?

put it in park [on level ground], lift the hood, and with the parking
brake OFF, rock the car back and forth. you'll see the motor move and
the cracks should open up to be visible. if you can get an angle to see
them. if not, you might need to have an assistant help you rock the car
while you poke about with a mirror.

>
> jim beam wrote:
>> Paul wrote:
>>> I agree with what you say, and yes the trans is protected, it
>>> specifically explains in the manual what you said, but the cluck and
>>> sometimes a grind only happens when i manually shift. Don't get me
>>> wrong, 99% of the time i let the trans shift on its own, but if the
>>> trans is developing problems wouldn't they be there all the time? again
>>> i cant figure out why it grinds only when i manually shift.
>> is it a "grind" like when your cousin drives your stick and doesn't use
>> the clutch properly, or some other kind of noise? i ask because there
>> is no mechanism inside the transmission that really allows for "grind"
>> unless it's major failure. and have you checked the motor mounts?
>>
>>
>>> jim beam wrote:
>>>> Dano58 wrote:
>>>>> jim beam wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> the transmission is protected - it won't allow shifts that damage it.
>>>>> Perhaps - but are you saying that a 'grind' or 'clunk' is normal? I
>>>>> don't think so. And if the transmission is starting to develop
>>>>> problems, then manually shifting it certainly won't help it.
>>>> how does that work? you're not actuating anything in the box by moving
>>>> the shift lever - all you're doing is changing from autonomous shift
>>>> control to non-autonomous. all internals of the box function /exactly/
>>>> as before. if there is a "clunk" it's more likely a broken engine
>>>> mount. or maybe a worn driveshaft or final drive, but the driver alone
>>>> can't influence how the shifter mechanism behaves to make a noise like
>>>> that - that bit is fully automatic under all conditions. /and/ there
>>>> are safety over-rides to protect it from driver mistakes.
>>>>
>>>>> Again, I
>>>>> would let it perform as designed and shift for itself - that's the best
>>>>> way to protect it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dan D
>>>>> '07 Odyssey
>>>>>
>

 

Paul wrote:
> I guess "grind" wasnt the best word, its more like a cluck, not very
> loud and i can feel it too. you say to check the motor mounts, are you
> thinking that when i downshift the motor is, i guess, "rocking" and
> making a cluck?

that's it.

> That would explain why i can sort of feel it. Also,
> how would i check the mounts? Just put a socket on them and tighten the
> bolts?

put it in park [on level ground], lift the hood, and with the parking
brake OFF, rock the car back and forth. you'll see the motor move and
the cracks should open up to be visible. if you can get an angle to see
them. if not, you might need to have an assistant help you rock the car
while you poke about with a mirror.

>
> jim beam wrote:
>> Paul wrote:
>>> I agree with what you say, and yes the trans is protected, it
>>> specifically explains in the manual what you said, but the cluck and
>>> sometimes a grind only happens when i manually shift. Don't get me
>>> wrong, 99% of the time i let the trans shift on its own, but if the
>>> trans is developing problems wouldn't they be there all the time? again
>>> i cant figure out why it grinds only when i manually shift.
>> is it a "grind" like when your cousin drives your stick and doesn't use
>> the clutch properly, or some other kind of noise? i ask because there
>> is no mechanism inside the transmission that really allows for "grind"
>> unless it's major failure. and have you checked the motor mounts?
>>
>>
>>> jim beam wrote:
>>>> Dano58 wrote:
>>>>> jim beam wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> the transmission is protected - it won't allow shifts that damage it.
>>>>> Perhaps - but are you saying that a 'grind' or 'clunk' is normal? I
>>>>> don't think so. And if the transmission is starting to develop
>>>>> problems, then manually shifting it certainly won't help it.
>>>> how does that work? you're not actuating anything in the box by moving
>>>> the shift lever - all you're doing is changing from autonomous shift
>>>> control to non-autonomous. all internals of the box function /exactly/
>>>> as before. if there is a "clunk" it's more likely a broken engine
>>>> mount. or maybe a worn driveshaft or final drive, but the driver alone
>>>> can't influence how the shifter mechanism behaves to make a noise like
>>>> that - that bit is fully automatic under all conditions. /and/ there
>>>> are safety over-rides to protect it from driver mistakes.
>>>>
>>>>> Again, I
>>>>> would let it perform as designed and shift for itself - that's the best
>>>>> way to protect it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dan D
>>>>> '07 Odyssey
>>>>>
>

 

Should the motor mounts be totally replaced? Or is it just a case of
them loosening up over the years?

jim beam wrote:
> Paul wrote:
> > I guess "grind" wasnt the best word, its more like a cluck, not very
> > loud and i can feel it too. you say to check the motor mounts, are you
> > thinking that when i downshift the motor is, i guess, "rocking" and
> > making a cluck?
>
> that's it.
>
> > That would explain why i can sort of feel it. Also,
> > how would i check the mounts? Just put a socket on them and tighten the
> > bolts?
>
> put it in park [on level ground], lift the hood, and with the parking
> brake OFF, rock the car back and forth. you'll see the motor move and
> the cracks should open up to be visible. if you can get an angle to see
> them. if not, you might need to have an assistant help you rock the car
> while you poke about with a mirror.
>
> >
> > jim beam wrote:
> >> Paul wrote:
> >>> I agree with what you say, and yes the trans is protected, it
> >>> specifically explains in the manual what you said, but the cluck and
> >>> sometimes a grind only happens when i manually shift. Don't get me
> >>> wrong, 99% of the time i let the trans shift on its own, but if the
> >>> trans is developing problems wouldn't they be there all the time? again
> >>> i cant figure out why it grinds only when i manually shift.
> >> is it a "grind" like when your cousin drives your stick and doesn't use
> >> the clutch properly, or some other kind of noise? i ask because there
> >> is no mechanism inside the transmission that really allows for "grind"
> >> unless it's major failure. and have you checked the motor mounts?
> >>
> >>
> >>> jim beam wrote:
> >>>> Dano58 wrote:
> >>>>> jim beam wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> the transmission is protected - it won't allow shifts that damage it.
> >>>>> Perhaps - but are you saying that a 'grind' or 'clunk' is normal? I
> >>>>> don't think so. And if the transmission is starting to develop
> >>>>> problems, then manually shifting it certainly won't help it.
> >>>> how does that work? you're not actuating anything in the box by moving
> >>>> the shift lever - all you're doing is changing from autonomous shift
> >>>> control to non-autonomous. all internals of the box function /exactly/
> >>>> as before. if there is a "clunk" it's more likely a broken engine
> >>>> mount. or maybe a worn driveshaft or final drive, but the driver alone
> >>>> can't influence how the shifter mechanism behaves to make a noise like
> >>>> that - that bit is fully automatic under all conditions. /and/ there
> >>>> are safety over-rides to protect it from driver mistakes.
> >>>>
> >>>>> Again, I
> >>>>> would let it perform as designed and shift for itself - that's the best
> >>>>> way to protect it.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Dan D
> >>>>> '07 Odyssey
> >>>>>
> >

 

Should the motor mounts be totally replaced? Or is it just a case of
them loosening up over the years?

jim beam wrote:
> Paul wrote:
> > I guess "grind" wasnt the best word, its more like a cluck, not very
> > loud and i can feel it too. you say to check the motor mounts, are you
> > thinking that when i downshift the motor is, i guess, "rocking" and
> > making a cluck?
>
> that's it.
>
> > That would explain why i can sort of feel it. Also,
> > how would i check the mounts? Just put a socket on them and tighten the
> > bolts?
>
> put it in park [on level ground], lift the hood, and with the parking
> brake OFF, rock the car back and forth. you'll see the motor move and
> the cracks should open up to be visible. if you can get an angle to see
> them. if not, you might need to have an assistant help you rock the car
> while you poke about with a mirror.
>
> >
> > jim beam wrote:
> >> Paul wrote:
> >>> I agree with what you say, and yes the trans is protected, it
> >>> specifically explains in the manual what you said, but the cluck and
> >>> sometimes a grind only happens when i manually shift. Don't get me
> >>> wrong, 99% of the time i let the trans shift on its own, but if the
> >>> trans is developing problems wouldn't they be there all the time? again
> >>> i cant figure out why it grinds only when i manually shift.
> >> is it a "grind" like when your cousin drives your stick and doesn't use
> >> the clutch properly, or some other kind of noise? i ask because there
> >> is no mechanism inside the transmission that really allows for "grind"
> >> unless it's major failure. and have you checked the motor mounts?
> >>
> >>
> >>> jim beam wrote:
> >>>> Dano58 wrote:
> >>>>> jim beam wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> the transmission is protected - it won't allow shifts that damage it.
> >>>>> Perhaps - but are you saying that a 'grind' or 'clunk' is normal? I
> >>>>> don't think so. And if the transmission is starting to develop
> >>>>> problems, then manually shifting it certainly won't help it.
> >>>> how does that work? you're not actuating anything in the box by moving
> >>>> the shift lever - all you're doing is changing from autonomous shift
> >>>> control to non-autonomous. all internals of the box function /exactly/
> >>>> as before. if there is a "clunk" it's more likely a broken engine
> >>>> mount. or maybe a worn driveshaft or final drive, but the driver alone
> >>>> can't influence how the shifter mechanism behaves to make a noise like
> >>>> that - that bit is fully automatic under all conditions. /and/ there
> >>>> are safety over-rides to protect it from driver mistakes.
> >>>>
> >>>>> Again, I
> >>>>> would let it perform as designed and shift for itself - that's the best
> >>>>> way to protect it.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Dan D
> >>>>> '07 Odyssey
> >>>>>
> >

 

Should the motor mounts be totally replaced? Or is it just a case of
them loosening up over the years?

jim beam wrote:
> Paul wrote:
> > I guess "grind" wasnt the best word, its more like a cluck, not very
> > loud and i can feel it too. you say to check the motor mounts, are you
> > thinking that when i downshift the motor is, i guess, "rocking" and
> > making a cluck?
>
> that's it.
>
> > That would explain why i can sort of feel it. Also,
> > how would i check the mounts? Just put a socket on them and tighten the
> > bolts?
>
> put it in park [on level ground], lift the hood, and with the parking
> brake OFF, rock the car back and forth. you'll see the motor move and
> the cracks should open up to be visible. if you can get an angle to see
> them. if not, you might need to have an assistant help you rock the car
> while you poke about with a mirror.
>
> >
> > jim beam wrote:
> >> Paul wrote:
> >>> I agree with what you say, and yes the trans is protected, it
> >>> specifically explains in the manual what you said, but the cluck and
> >>> sometimes a grind only happens when i manually shift. Don't get me
> >>> wrong, 99% of the time i let the trans shift on its own, but if the
> >>> trans is developing problems wouldn't they be there all the time? again
> >>> i cant figure out why it grinds only when i manually shift.
> >> is it a "grind" like when your cousin drives your stick and doesn't use
> >> the clutch properly, or some other kind of noise? i ask because there
> >> is no mechanism inside the transmission that really allows for "grind"
> >> unless it's major failure. and have you checked the motor mounts?
> >>
> >>
> >>> jim beam wrote:
> >>>> Dano58 wrote:
> >>>>> jim beam wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> the transmission is protected - it won't allow shifts that damage it.
> >>>>> Perhaps - but are you saying that a 'grind' or 'clunk' is normal? I
> >>>>> don't think so. And if the transmission is starting to develop
> >>>>> problems, then manually shifting it certainly won't help it.
> >>>> how does that work? you're not actuating anything in the box by moving
> >>>> the shift lever - all you're doing is changing from autonomous shift
> >>>> control to non-autonomous. all internals of the box function /exactly/
> >>>> as before. if there is a "clunk" it's more likely a broken engine
> >>>> mount. or maybe a worn driveshaft or final drive, but the driver alone
> >>>> can't influence how the shifter mechanism behaves to make a noise like
> >>>> that - that bit is fully automatic under all conditions. /and/ there
> >>>> are safety over-rides to protect it from driver mistakes.
> >>>>
> >>>>> Again, I
> >>>>> would let it perform as designed and shift for itself - that's the best
> >>>>> way to protect it.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Dan D
> >>>>> '07 Odyssey
> >>>>>
> >

 

Should the motor mounts be totally replaced? Or is it just a case of
them loosening up over the years?

jim beam wrote:
> Paul wrote:
> > I guess "grind" wasnt the best word, its more like a cluck, not very
> > loud and i can feel it too. you say to check the motor mounts, are you
> > thinking that when i downshift the motor is, i guess, "rocking" and
> > making a cluck?
>
> that's it.
>
> > That would explain why i can sort of feel it. Also,
> > how would i check the mounts? Just put a socket on them and tighten the
> > bolts?
>
> put it in park [on level ground], lift the hood, and with the parking
> brake OFF, rock the car back and forth. you'll see the motor move and
> the cracks should open up to be visible. if you can get an angle to see
> them. if not, you might need to have an assistant help you rock the car
> while you poke about with a mirror.
>
> >
> > jim beam wrote:
> >> Paul wrote:
> >>> I agree with what you say, and yes the trans is protected, it
> >>> specifically explains in the manual what you said, but the cluck and
> >>> sometimes a grind only happens when i manually shift. Don't get me
> >>> wrong, 99% of the time i let the trans shift on its own, but if the
> >>> trans is developing problems wouldn't they be there all the time? again
> >>> i cant figure out why it grinds only when i manually shift.
> >> is it a "grind" like when your cousin drives your stick and doesn't use
> >> the clutch properly, or some other kind of noise? i ask because there
> >> is no mechanism inside the transmission that really allows for "grind"
> >> unless it's major failure. and have you checked the motor mounts?
> >>
> >>
> >>> jim beam wrote:
> >>>> Dano58 wrote:
> >>>>> jim beam wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> the transmission is protected - it won't allow shifts that damage it.
> >>>>> Perhaps - but are you saying that a 'grind' or 'clunk' is normal? I
> >>>>> don't think so. And if the transmission is starting to develop
> >>>>> problems, then manually shifting it certainly won't help it.
> >>>> how does that work? you're not actuating anything in the box by moving
> >>>> the shift lever - all you're doing is changing from autonomous shift
> >>>> control to non-autonomous. all internals of the box function /exactly/
> >>>> as before. if there is a "clunk" it's more likely a broken engine
> >>>> mount. or maybe a worn driveshaft or final drive, but the driver alone
> >>>> can't influence how the shifter mechanism behaves to make a noise like
> >>>> that - that bit is fully automatic under all conditions. /and/ there
> >>>> are safety over-rides to protect it from driver mistakes.
> >>>>
> >>>>> Again, I
> >>>>> would let it perform as designed and shift for itself - that's the best
> >>>>> way to protect it.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Dan D
> >>>>> '07 Odyssey
> >>>>>
> >

 

Paul wrote:
> Should the motor mounts be totally replaced? Or is it just a case of
> them loosening up over the years?

replaced - the rubber breaks apart. usually you can get away with just
the rear and front [if yours has a front]. also check for gotchas like
bent exhaust touching chassis, loose heat shields, etc.

>
> jim beam wrote:
>> Paul wrote:
>>> I guess "grind" wasnt the best word, its more like a cluck, not very
>>> loud and i can feel it too. you say to check the motor mounts, are you
>>> thinking that when i downshift the motor is, i guess, "rocking" and
>>> making a cluck?
>> that's it.
>>
>>> That would explain why i can sort of feel it. Also,
>>> how would i check the mounts? Just put a socket on them and tighten the
>>> bolts?
>> put it in park [on level ground], lift the hood, and with the parking
>> brake OFF, rock the car back and forth. you'll see the motor move and
>> the cracks should open up to be visible. if you can get an angle to see
>> them. if not, you might need to have an assistant help you rock the car
>> while you poke about with a mirror.
>>
>>> jim beam wrote:
>>>> Paul wrote:
>>>>> I agree with what you say, and yes the trans is protected, it
>>>>> specifically explains in the manual what you said, but the cluck and
>>>>> sometimes a grind only happens when i manually shift. Don't get me
>>>>> wrong, 99% of the time i let the trans shift on its own, but if the
>>>>> trans is developing problems wouldn't they be there all the time? again
>>>>> i cant figure out why it grinds only when i manually shift.
>>>> is it a "grind" like when your cousin drives your stick and doesn't use
>>>> the clutch properly, or some other kind of noise? i ask because there
>>>> is no mechanism inside the transmission that really allows for "grind"
>>>> unless it's major failure. and have you checked the motor mounts?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> jim beam wrote:
>>>>>> Dano58 wrote:
>>>>>>> jim beam wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> the transmission is protected - it won't allow shifts that damage it.
>>>>>>> Perhaps - but are you saying that a 'grind' or 'clunk' is normal? I
>>>>>>> don't think so. And if the transmission is starting to develop
>>>>>>> problems, then manually shifting it certainly won't help it.
>>>>>> how does that work? you're not actuating anything in the box by moving
>>>>>> the shift lever - all you're doing is changing from autonomous shift
>>>>>> control to non-autonomous. all internals of the box function /exactly/
>>>>>> as before. if there is a "clunk" it's more likely a broken engine
>>>>>> mount. or maybe a worn driveshaft or final drive, but the driver alone
>>>>>> can't influence how the shifter mechanism behaves to make a noise like
>>>>>> that - that bit is fully automatic under all conditions. /and/ there
>>>>>> are safety over-rides to protect it from driver mistakes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Again, I
>>>>>>> would let it perform as designed and shift for itself - that's the best
>>>>>>> way to protect it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dan D
>>>>>>> '07 Odyssey
>>>>>>>
>

 

Paul wrote:
> Should the motor mounts be totally replaced? Or is it just a case of
> them loosening up over the years?

replaced - the rubber breaks apart. usually you can get away with just
the rear and front [if yours has a front]. also check for gotchas like
bent exhaust touching chassis, loose heat shields, etc.

>
> jim beam wrote:
>> Paul wrote:
>>> I guess "grind" wasnt the best word, its more like a cluck, not very
>>> loud and i can feel it too. you say to check the motor mounts, are you
>>> thinking that when i downshift the motor is, i guess, "rocking" and
>>> making a cluck?
>> that's it.
>>
>>> That would explain why i can sort of feel it. Also,
>>> how would i check the mounts? Just put a socket on them and tighten the
>>> bolts?
>> put it in park [on level ground], lift the hood, and with the parking
>> brake OFF, rock the car back and forth. you'll see the motor move and
>> the cracks should open up to be visible. if you can get an angle to see
>> them. if not, you might need to have an assistant help you rock the car
>> while you poke about with a mirror.
>>
>>> jim beam wrote:
>>>> Paul wrote:
>>>>> I agree with what you say, and yes the trans is protected, it
>>>>> specifically explains in the manual what you said, but the cluck and
>>>>> sometimes a grind only happens when i manually shift. Don't get me
>>>>> wrong, 99% of the time i let the trans shift on its own, but if the
>>>>> trans is developing problems wouldn't they be there all the time? again
>>>>> i cant figure out why it grinds only when i manually shift.
>>>> is it a "grind" like when your cousin drives your stick and doesn't use
>>>> the clutch properly, or some other kind of noise? i ask because there
>>>> is no mechanism inside the transmission that really allows for "grind"
>>>> unless it's major failure. and have you checked the motor mounts?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> jim beam wrote:
>>>>>> Dano58 wrote:
>>>>>>> jim beam wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> the transmission is protected - it won't allow shifts that damage it.
>>>>>>> Perhaps - but are you saying that a 'grind' or 'clunk' is normal? I
>>>>>>> don't think so. And if the transmission is starting to develop
>>>>>>> problems, then manually shifting it certainly won't help it.
>>>>>> how does that work? you're not actuating anything in the box by moving
>>>>>> the shift lever - all you're doing is changing from autonomous shift
>>>>>> control to non-autonomous. all internals of the box function /exactly/
>>>>>> as before. if there is a "clunk" it's more likely a broken engine
>>>>>> mount. or maybe a worn driveshaft or final drive, but the driver alone
>>>>>> can't influence how the shifter mechanism behaves to make a noise like
>>>>>> that - that bit is fully automatic under all conditions. /and/ there
>>>>>> are safety over-rides to protect it from driver mistakes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Again, I
>>>>>>> would let it perform as designed and shift for itself - that's the best
>>>>>>> way to protect it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dan D
>>>>>>> '07 Odyssey
>>>>>>>
>

 

Paul wrote:
> Should the motor mounts be totally replaced? Or is it just a case of
> them loosening up over the years?

replaced - the rubber breaks apart. usually you can get away with just
the rear and front [if yours has a front]. also check for gotchas like
bent exhaust touching chassis, loose heat shields, etc.

>
> jim beam wrote:
>> Paul wrote:
>>> I guess "grind" wasnt the best word, its more like a cluck, not very
>>> loud and i can feel it too. you say to check the motor mounts, are you
>>> thinking that when i downshift the motor is, i guess, "rocking" and
>>> making a cluck?
>> that's it.
>>
>>> That would explain why i can sort of feel it. Also,
>>> how would i check the mounts? Just put a socket on them and tighten the
>>> bolts?
>> put it in park [on level ground], lift the hood, and with the parking
>> brake OFF, rock the car back and forth. you'll see the motor move and
>> the cracks should open up to be visible. if you can get an angle to see
>> them. if not, you might need to have an assistant help you rock the car
>> while you poke about with a mirror.
>>
>>> jim beam wrote:
>>>> Paul wrote:
>>>>> I agree with what you say, and yes the trans is protected, it
>>>>> specifically explains in the manual what you said, but the cluck and
>>>>> sometimes a grind only happens when i manually shift. Don't get me
>>>>> wrong, 99% of the time i let the trans shift on its own, but if the
>>>>> trans is developing problems wouldn't they be there all the time? again
>>>>> i cant figure out why it grinds only when i manually shift.
>>>> is it a "grind" like when your cousin drives your stick and doesn't use
>>>> the clutch properly, or some other kind of noise? i ask because there
>>>> is no mechanism inside the transmission that really allows for "grind"
>>>> unless it's major failure. and have you checked the motor mounts?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> jim beam wrote:
>>>>>> Dano58 wrote:
>>>>>>> jim beam wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> the transmission is protected - it won't allow shifts that damage it.
>>>>>>> Perhaps - but are you saying that a 'grind' or 'clunk' is normal? I
>>>>>>> don't think so. And if the transmission is starting to develop
>>>>>>> problems, then manually shifting it certainly won't help it.
>>>>>> how does that work? you're not actuating anything in the box by moving
>>>>>> the shift lever - all you're doing is changing from autonomous shift
>>>>>> control to non-autonomous. all internals of the box function /exactly/
>>>>>> as before. if there is a "clunk" it's more likely a broken engine
>>>>>> mount. or maybe a worn driveshaft or final drive, but the driver alone
>>>>>> can't influence how the shifter mechanism behaves to make a noise like
>>>>>> that - that bit is fully automatic under all conditions. /and/ there
>>>>>> are safety over-rides to protect it from driver mistakes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Again, I
>>>>>>> would let it perform as designed and shift for itself - that's the best
>>>>>>> way to protect it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dan D
>>>>>>> '07 Odyssey
>>>>>>>
>

 

Paul wrote:
> Should the motor mounts be totally replaced? Or is it just a case of
> them loosening up over the years?

replaced - the rubber breaks apart. usually you can get away with just
the rear and front [if yours has a front]. also check for gotchas like
bent exhaust touching chassis, loose heat shields, etc.

>
> jim beam wrote:
>> Paul wrote:
>>> I guess "grind" wasnt the best word, its more like a cluck, not very
>>> loud and i can feel it too. you say to check the motor mounts, are you
>>> thinking that when i downshift the motor is, i guess, "rocking" and
>>> making a cluck?
>> that's it.
>>
>>> That would explain why i can sort of feel it. Also,
>>> how would i check the mounts? Just put a socket on them and tighten the
>>> bolts?
>> put it in park [on level ground], lift the hood, and with the parking
>> brake OFF, rock the car back and forth. you'll see the motor move and
>> the cracks should open up to be visible. if you can get an angle to see
>> them. if not, you might need to have an assistant help you rock the car
>> while you poke about with a mirror.
>>
>>> jim beam wrote:
>>>> Paul wrote:
>>>>> I agree with what you say, and yes the trans is protected, it
>>>>> specifically explains in the manual what you said, but the cluck and
>>>>> sometimes a grind only happens when i manually shift. Don't get me
>>>>> wrong, 99% of the time i let the trans shift on its own, but if the
>>>>> trans is developing problems wouldn't they be there all the time? again
>>>>> i cant figure out why it grinds only when i manually shift.
>>>> is it a "grind" like when your cousin drives your stick and doesn't use
>>>> the clutch properly, or some other kind of noise? i ask because there
>>>> is no mechanism inside the transmission that really allows for "grind"
>>>> unless it's major failure. and have you checked the motor mounts?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> jim beam wrote:
>>>>>> Dano58 wrote:
>>>>>>> jim beam wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> the transmission is protected - it won't allow shifts that damage it.
>>>>>>> Perhaps - but are you saying that a 'grind' or 'clunk' is normal? I
>>>>>>> don't think so. And if the transmission is starting to develop
>>>>>>> problems, then manually shifting it certainly won't help it.
>>>>>> how does that work? you're not actuating anything in the box by moving
>>>>>> the shift lever - all you're doing is changing from autonomous shift
>>>>>> control to non-autonomous. all internals of the box function /exactly/
>>>>>> as before. if there is a "clunk" it's more likely a broken engine
>>>>>> mount. or maybe a worn driveshaft or final drive, but the driver alone
>>>>>> can't influence how the shifter mechanism behaves to make a noise like
>>>>>> that - that bit is fully automatic under all conditions. /and/ there
>>>>>> are safety over-rides to protect it from driver mistakes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Again, I
>>>>>>> would let it perform as designed and shift for itself - that's the best
>>>>>>> way to protect it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dan D
>>>>>>> '07 Odyssey
>>>>>>>
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