Re: article: Plug-in Hybrid
 

> Safe,clean nuclear power plants. Time to build more of them.

Ever heard of the nuclear waste problem?

Re: article: Plug-in Hybrid
 

> Safe,clean nuclear power plants. Time to build more of them.

Ever heard of the nuclear waste problem?

Re: article: Plug-in Hybrid
 

In article <qTdMe.6594$1b5.4941@trnddc05>, John Horner
<jthorner@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Have any of these hackers crash tested their vehicles?
>
> I wonder what a rear end collision into a rear end filled with wet cell
> lead-acid batteries would do?
>
> Also, where exactly is the electricity for these things supposed to come
> from? My home electric bill in the summer here in Northern California
> already is getting close to $500/month when the heat waves hit, and that
> is with solar energy taking care of all of our domestic hot water.
>
> I really do not want to buy expensive electricity from PG&E for my
> automobiles as well!
>
> John

John,
You do NOT have to ever buy a hybrid vehicle. You did NOT mention how far
you drive each day or how much you pay for gas each month. If you live
close to where you work, I don't think that anyone would advise you to buy
a hybrid vehicle since they cost much more then a non-hybrid vehicle. I
don't do much driving so I will never buy a hybrid vehicle due to the
cost. However, if I lived 50 miles from where I worked, I would buy a
hybrid vehicle and plug it in
every night since the price of gas is going higher and higher and higher.
Jason

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Re: article: Plug-in Hybrid
 

In article <qTdMe.6594$1b5.4941@trnddc05>, John Horner
<jthorner@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Have any of these hackers crash tested their vehicles?
>
> I wonder what a rear end collision into a rear end filled with wet cell
> lead-acid batteries would do?
>
> Also, where exactly is the electricity for these things supposed to come
> from? My home electric bill in the summer here in Northern California
> already is getting close to $500/month when the heat waves hit, and that
> is with solar energy taking care of all of our domestic hot water.
>
> I really do not want to buy expensive electricity from PG&E for my
> automobiles as well!
>
> John

John,
You do NOT have to ever buy a hybrid vehicle. You did NOT mention how far
you drive each day or how much you pay for gas each month. If you live
close to where you work, I don't think that anyone would advise you to buy
a hybrid vehicle since they cost much more then a non-hybrid vehicle. I
don't do much driving so I will never buy a hybrid vehicle due to the
cost. However, if I lived 50 miles from where I worked, I would buy a
hybrid vehicle and plug it in
every night since the price of gas is going higher and higher and higher.
Jason

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Re: article: Plug-in Hybrid
 

Jim Yanik wrote:
> John Horner <jthorner@yahoo.com> wrote in
> news:qTdMe.6594$1b5.4941@trnddc05:
>> Also, where exactly is the electricity for these things supposed to
>> come from?
>
> Safe,clean nuclear power plants. Time to build more of them.

And where is the "safe and clean" nuclear waste supposed to go, please?
http://academic.brooklyn.cuny.edu/ph...hys/waste.html - "But
one has to plan storage and protection for the public on a time-scale of
thousands of years."

Re: article: Plug-in Hybrid
 

Jim Yanik wrote:
> John Horner <jthorner@yahoo.com> wrote in
> news:qTdMe.6594$1b5.4941@trnddc05:
>> Also, where exactly is the electricity for these things supposed to
>> come from?
>
> Safe,clean nuclear power plants. Time to build more of them.

And where is the "safe and clean" nuclear waste supposed to go, please?
http://academic.brooklyn.cuny.edu/ph...hys/waste.html - "But
one has to plan storage and protection for the public on a time-scale of
thousands of years."

Re: article: Plug-in Hybrid
 

On 16 Aug 2005 14:09:15 GMT, Jim Yanik <jyanik@abuse.gov.> wrote:

>John Horner <jthorner@yahoo.com> wrote in
>news:qTdMe.6594$1b5.4941@trnddc05:
>
>> Have any of these hackers crash tested their vehicles?
>>
>> I wonder what a rear end collision into a rear end filled with wet cell
>> lead-acid batteries would do?
>
>The guy in the article only used LA cells for initial tests;he then
>switched to NiMH. Others are using Li-ion cells.

ok, crash test someone using lithium batteries. I'll personally take
hydrogen over that.

>
>>
>> Also, where exactly is the electricity for these things supposed to come
>> from?
>
>Safe,clean nuclear power plants. Time to build more of them.
>
>> My home electric bill in the summer here in Northern California
>> already is getting close to $500/month when the heat waves hit, and that
>> is with solar energy taking care of all of our domestic hot water.
>>
>> I really do not want to buy expensive electricity from PG&E for my
>> automobiles as well!
>
>It would be a lot cheaper than buying gasoline.

Re: article: Plug-in Hybrid
 

On 16 Aug 2005 14:09:15 GMT, Jim Yanik <jyanik@abuse.gov.> wrote:

>John Horner <jthorner@yahoo.com> wrote in
>news:qTdMe.6594$1b5.4941@trnddc05:
>
>> Have any of these hackers crash tested their vehicles?
>>
>> I wonder what a rear end collision into a rear end filled with wet cell
>> lead-acid batteries would do?
>
>The guy in the article only used LA cells for initial tests;he then
>switched to NiMH. Others are using Li-ion cells.

ok, crash test someone using lithium batteries. I'll personally take
hydrogen over that.

>
>>
>> Also, where exactly is the electricity for these things supposed to come
>> from?
>
>Safe,clean nuclear power plants. Time to build more of them.
>
>> My home electric bill in the summer here in Northern California
>> already is getting close to $500/month when the heat waves hit, and that
>> is with solar energy taking care of all of our domestic hot water.
>>
>> I really do not want to buy expensive electricity from PG&E for my
>> automobiles as well!
>
>It would be a lot cheaper than buying gasoline.

Re: article: Plug-in Hybrid
 

On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 16:23:05 GMT, Brian Stell <bstell@ix.netcom.com>
wrote:

>> Safe,clean nuclear power plants. Time to build more of them.
>
>Ever heard of the nuclear waste problem?

Yes, well, waste, yes, problem, not so much. there's Sellafield for
one. Someone was also proposing some experiments a year or two ago
with a deveice called a 'proton transmutation accelerator' or similar.
Couldn't get fnding though to develop it into a working technology.

Re: article: Plug-in Hybrid
 

On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 16:23:05 GMT, Brian Stell <bstell@ix.netcom.com>
wrote:

>> Safe,clean nuclear power plants. Time to build more of them.
>
>Ever heard of the nuclear waste problem?

Yes, well, waste, yes, problem, not so much. there's Sellafield for
one. Someone was also proposing some experiments a year or two ago
with a deveice called a 'proton transmutation accelerator' or similar.
Couldn't get fnding though to develop it into a working technology.

Re: article: Plug-in Hybrid
 

Brian Stell <bstell@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:JpoMe.1682$Z%6.929@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com :

>> Safe,clean nuclear power plants. Time to build more of them.
>
> Ever heard of the nuclear waste problem?
>

Yes,one more part that has been stifled and progress halted by the anti-
nuke idiots.

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Re: article: Plug-in Hybrid
 

Brian Stell <bstell@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:JpoMe.1682$Z%6.929@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com :

>> Safe,clean nuclear power plants. Time to build more of them.
>
> Ever heard of the nuclear waste problem?
>

Yes,one more part that has been stifled and progress halted by the anti-
nuke idiots.

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jyanik
at
kua.net

Re: article: Plug-in Hybrid
 

flobert <nomail@here.NOT> wrote in
news:i964g1ldlo539607tp90sbo18kput5n5ps@4ax.com:

> On 16 Aug 2005 14:09:15 GMT, Jim Yanik <jyanik@abuse.gov.> wrote:
>
>>John Horner <jthorner@yahoo.com> wrote in
>>news:qTdMe.6594$1b5.4941@trnddc05:
>>
>>> Have any of these hackers crash tested their vehicles?
>>>
>>> I wonder what a rear end collision into a rear end filled with wet
>>> cell lead-acid batteries would do?
>>
>>The guy in the article only used LA cells for initial tests;he then
>>switched to NiMH. Others are using Li-ion cells.
>
> ok, crash test someone using lithium batteries. I'll personally take
> hydrogen over that.

Why?
Please explain exactly what Lithium-ion batteries will do in a crash.


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jyanik
at
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Re: article: Plug-in Hybrid
 

flobert <nomail@here.NOT> wrote in
news:i964g1ldlo539607tp90sbo18kput5n5ps@4ax.com:

> On 16 Aug 2005 14:09:15 GMT, Jim Yanik <jyanik@abuse.gov.> wrote:
>
>>John Horner <jthorner@yahoo.com> wrote in
>>news:qTdMe.6594$1b5.4941@trnddc05:
>>
>>> Have any of these hackers crash tested their vehicles?
>>>
>>> I wonder what a rear end collision into a rear end filled with wet
>>> cell lead-acid batteries would do?
>>
>>The guy in the article only used LA cells for initial tests;he then
>>switched to NiMH. Others are using Li-ion cells.
>
> ok, crash test someone using lithium batteries. I'll personally take
> hydrogen over that.

Why?
Please explain exactly what Lithium-ion batteries will do in a crash.


--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

Re: article: Plug-in Hybrid
 

On 17 Aug 2005 00:18:54 GMT, Jim Yanik <jyanik@abuse.gov.> wrote:

>flobert <nomail@here.NOT> wrote in
>news:i964g1ldlo539607tp90sbo18kput5n5ps@4ax.com :
>
>> On 16 Aug 2005 14:09:15 GMT, Jim Yanik <jyanik@abuse.gov.> wrote:
>>
>>>John Horner <jthorner@yahoo.com> wrote in
>>>news:qTdMe.6594$1b5.4941@trnddc05:
>>>
>>>> Have any of these hackers crash tested their vehicles?
>>>>
>>>> I wonder what a rear end collision into a rear end filled with wet
>>>> cell lead-acid batteries would do?
>>>
>>>The guy in the article only used LA cells for initial tests;he then
>>>switched to NiMH. Others are using Li-ion cells.
>>
>> ok, crash test someone using lithium batteries. I'll personally take
>> hydrogen over that.
>
>Why?
>Please explain exactly what Lithium-ion batteries will do in a crash.

As has been well documented with Rc aircraft and especialy boats...

When puntured, they have a tendency to catch fire, or explode. reason
is simple - LITHIUM.
Lithium + water --> lithium hydroxide + hydrogen + ENERGY

Admitedly, if you put a piece of lithium in water, it just melts and
fizzes, but its also at or below room temp - a battery isn't. Also,
unlike potassium, and sometimes sodium, it doesn't get hot enough ina
nd of itself to make the hydrogen produced light. HOWEVER batterys do
get warm, there's lots of electrical sparts, and metal on metal. At
least a hydrogen tank is design to rupture safe, and, being a gas,
will dissipate the longer it goes without a spark. no so with lithium
- it constantly generates more hydrogen (moisture in the air,
donchaknow).

Anyway, thats just what i've read in the dangers of the battery type
in crash impacts. YMMV