Air bag presence verification
02-23-2006 | 03:45 AM
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Air bag presence verification
While looking at a 95 EX/LX in a dealer's lot, how can one verify
that there actually is an air bag behind the cover? IOW, can the
cover be easily removed and replaced in the dealer's lot by me? If
so, how? Thanks.
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bill
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that there actually is an air bag behind the cover? IOW, can the
cover be easily removed and replaced in the dealer's lot by me? If
so, how? Thanks.
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bill
Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.
02-23-2006 | 07:49 AM
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Re: Air bag presence verification
"bill horne" <redydog@rye.net> wrote in message
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> While looking at a 95 EX/LX in a dealer's lot, how can one verify that
> there actually is an air bag behind the cover? IOW, can the cover be
> easily removed and replaced in the dealer's lot by me? If so, how? Thanks.
>
> --
> bill
> Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.
You really can't tell if it's behind the cover without getting pretty
intrusive, but if the air bag isn't present the SRS light will stay on.
Mike
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> While looking at a 95 EX/LX in a dealer's lot, how can one verify that
> there actually is an air bag behind the cover? IOW, can the cover be
> easily removed and replaced in the dealer's lot by me? If so, how? Thanks.
>
> --
> bill
> Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.
You really can't tell if it's behind the cover without getting pretty
intrusive, but if the air bag isn't present the SRS light will stay on.
Mike
02-23-2006 | 08:07 AM
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Re: Air bag presence verification
"Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote in
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> "bill horne" <redydog@rye.net> wrote in message
> news:Id-dnVzdMrG262DenZ2dnUVZ_sadnZ2d@cybersouth.com...
>> While looking at a 95 EX/LX in a dealer's lot, how can one verify
>> that there actually is an air bag behind the cover? IOW, can the
>> cover be easily removed and replaced in the dealer's lot by me? If
>> so, how? Thanks.
>>
>> --
>> bill
>> Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.
>
> You really can't tell if it's behind the cover without getting pretty
> intrusive, but if the air bag isn't present the SRS light will stay
> on.
>
Not necessarily. If you unplug the airbag ECU, the light will remain off.
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> "bill horne" <redydog@rye.net> wrote in message
> news:Id-dnVzdMrG262DenZ2dnUVZ_sadnZ2d@cybersouth.com...
>> While looking at a 95 EX/LX in a dealer's lot, how can one verify
>> that there actually is an air bag behind the cover? IOW, can the
>> cover be easily removed and replaced in the dealer's lot by me? If
>> so, how? Thanks.
>>
>> --
>> bill
>> Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.
>
> You really can't tell if it's behind the cover without getting pretty
> intrusive, but if the air bag isn't present the SRS light will stay
> on.
>
Not necessarily. If you unplug the airbag ECU, the light will remain off.
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02-23-2006 | 05:09 PM
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Re: Air bag presence verification
TeGGeR® wrote:
> "Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote in
> news:FO-dnTHFop3XMmDenZ2dnUVZ_v-dnZ2d@sedona.net:
>
>
>>"bill horne" <redydog@rye.net> wrote in message
>>news:Id-dnVzdMrG262DenZ2dnUVZ_sadnZ2d@cybersouth.com...
>>
>>>While looking at a 95 EX/LX in a dealer's lot, how can one verify
>>>that there actually is an air bag behind the cover? IOW, can the
>>>cover be easily removed and replaced in the dealer's lot by me? If
>>>so, how? Thanks.
>>You really can't tell if it's behind the cover without getting pretty
>>intrusive, but if the air bag isn't present the SRS light will stay
>>on.
> Not necessarily. If you unplug the airbag ECU, the light will remain off.
Thanks. Is this plug visible without disassembling something? If so,
where is it located?
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bill
Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.
> "Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote in
> news:FO-dnTHFop3XMmDenZ2dnUVZ_v-dnZ2d@sedona.net:
>
>
>>"bill horne" <redydog@rye.net> wrote in message
>>news:Id-dnVzdMrG262DenZ2dnUVZ_sadnZ2d@cybersouth.com...
>>
>>>While looking at a 95 EX/LX in a dealer's lot, how can one verify
>>>that there actually is an air bag behind the cover? IOW, can the
>>>cover be easily removed and replaced in the dealer's lot by me? If
>>>so, how? Thanks.
>>You really can't tell if it's behind the cover without getting pretty
>>intrusive, but if the air bag isn't present the SRS light will stay
>>on.
> Not necessarily. If you unplug the airbag ECU, the light will remain off.
Thanks. Is this plug visible without disassembling something? If so,
where is it located?
--
bill
Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.
02-23-2006 | 06:03 PM
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Re: Air bag presence verification
bill horne <redydog@rye.net> wrote in
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> TeGGeR® wrote:
>> "Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote in
>> news:FO-dnTHFop3XMmDenZ2dnUVZ_v-dnZ2d@sedona.net:
>>
>>
>>>"bill horne" <redydog@rye.net> wrote in message
>>>news:Id-dnVzdMrG262DenZ2dnUVZ_sadnZ2d@cybersouth.com...
>>>
>>>>While looking at a 95 EX/LX in a dealer's lot, how can one verify
>>>>that there actually is an air bag behind the cover? IOW, can the
>>>>cover be easily removed and replaced in the dealer's lot by me? If
>>>>so, how? Thanks.
>
>>>You really can't tell if it's behind the cover without getting pretty
>>>intrusive, but if the air bag isn't present the SRS light will stay
>>>on.
>
>> Not necessarily. If you unplug the airbag ECU, the light will remain
>> off.
>
> Thanks. Is this plug visible without disassembling something?
No.
> If so,
> where is it located?
Don't know about your car. Under the dash somewhere. It won't be in a place
you can easily reach it. You can tell it because all the connectors are
bright yellow.
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> TeGGeR® wrote:
>> "Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote in
>> news:FO-dnTHFop3XMmDenZ2dnUVZ_v-dnZ2d@sedona.net:
>>
>>
>>>"bill horne" <redydog@rye.net> wrote in message
>>>news:Id-dnVzdMrG262DenZ2dnUVZ_sadnZ2d@cybersouth.com...
>>>
>>>>While looking at a 95 EX/LX in a dealer's lot, how can one verify
>>>>that there actually is an air bag behind the cover? IOW, can the
>>>>cover be easily removed and replaced in the dealer's lot by me? If
>>>>so, how? Thanks.
>
>>>You really can't tell if it's behind the cover without getting pretty
>>>intrusive, but if the air bag isn't present the SRS light will stay
>>>on.
>
>> Not necessarily. If you unplug the airbag ECU, the light will remain
>> off.
>
> Thanks. Is this plug visible without disassembling something?
No.
> If so,
> where is it located?
Don't know about your car. Under the dash somewhere. It won't be in a place
you can easily reach it. You can tell it because all the connectors are
bright yellow.
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02-23-2006 | 08:19 PM
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Re: Air bag presence verification
"TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in message
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> "Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote in
> news:FO-dnTHFop3XMmDenZ2dnUVZ_v-dnZ2d@sedona.net:
>
>> "bill horne" <redydog@rye.net> wrote in message
>> news:Id-dnVzdMrG262DenZ2dnUVZ_sadnZ2d@cybersouth.com...
>>> While looking at a 95 EX/LX in a dealer's lot, how can one verify
>>> that there actually is an air bag behind the cover? IOW, can the
>>> cover be easily removed and replaced in the dealer's lot by me? If
>>> so, how? Thanks.
>>>
>>> --
>>> bill
>>> Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.
>>
>> You really can't tell if it's behind the cover without getting pretty
>> intrusive, but if the air bag isn't present the SRS light will stay
>> on.
>>
>
>
>
> Not necessarily. If you unplug the airbag ECU, the light will remain off.
>
>
> --
> TeGGeR®
>
Good point - although the SRS light won't test when the ignition is turned
on that way either, will it?
Mike
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> "Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote in
> news:FO-dnTHFop3XMmDenZ2dnUVZ_v-dnZ2d@sedona.net:
>
>> "bill horne" <redydog@rye.net> wrote in message
>> news:Id-dnVzdMrG262DenZ2dnUVZ_sadnZ2d@cybersouth.com...
>>> While looking at a 95 EX/LX in a dealer's lot, how can one verify
>>> that there actually is an air bag behind the cover? IOW, can the
>>> cover be easily removed and replaced in the dealer's lot by me? If
>>> so, how? Thanks.
>>>
>>> --
>>> bill
>>> Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.
>>
>> You really can't tell if it's behind the cover without getting pretty
>> intrusive, but if the air bag isn't present the SRS light will stay
>> on.
>>
>
>
>
> Not necessarily. If you unplug the airbag ECU, the light will remain off.
>
>
> --
> TeGGeR®
>
Good point - although the SRS light won't test when the ignition is turned
on that way either, will it?
Mike
02-24-2006 | 05:54 AM
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Re: Air bag presence verification
"Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote in
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> "TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in message
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>>>
>>> You really can't tell if it's behind the cover without getting
>>> pretty intrusive, but if the air bag isn't present the SRS light
>>> will stay on.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Not necessarily. If you unplug the airbag ECU, the light will remain
>> off.
>>
>>
>>
> Good point - although the SRS light won't test when the ignition is
> turned on that way either, will it?
>
Nope. We've got the airbag disconnected in our '99 Tercel. The SRS light
never comes on.
Airbag disconnection is legal where I live. Most garages will do it for you
for about $40.
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> "TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in message
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>>>
>>> You really can't tell if it's behind the cover without getting
>>> pretty intrusive, but if the air bag isn't present the SRS light
>>> will stay on.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Not necessarily. If you unplug the airbag ECU, the light will remain
>> off.
>>
>>
>>
> Good point - although the SRS light won't test when the ignition is
> turned on that way either, will it?
>
Nope. We've got the airbag disconnected in our '99 Tercel. The SRS light
never comes on.
Airbag disconnection is legal where I live. Most garages will do it for you
for about $40.
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02-25-2006 | 11:30 AM
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Re: Air bag presence verification
"TeGGeR®" wrote:
>
> Not necessarily. If you unplug the airbag ECU, the light will remain off.
>
> --
> TeGGeR®
>
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That is not correct.
The SRS indicator is designed to stay on solid if the indicator control
circuit is either shorted to ground or open.
A short to power on the same circuit WILL result in the SRS indicator never
coming on.
That means no bulb check sequence (on for 6 second, then off;if no problem
detected) when the IG switch is turned to the Run position.
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>
> Not necessarily. If you unplug the airbag ECU, the light will remain off.
>
> --
> TeGGeR®
>
> The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
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That is not correct.
The SRS indicator is designed to stay on solid if the indicator control
circuit is either shorted to ground or open.
A short to power on the same circuit WILL result in the SRS indicator never
coming on.
That means no bulb check sequence (on for 6 second, then off;if no problem
detected) when the IG switch is turned to the Run position.
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02-25-2006 | 01:42 PM
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TomP wrote:
> That is not correct.
> The SRS indicator is designed to stay on solid if the indicator control
> circuit is either shorted to ground or open.
> A short to power on the same circuit WILL result in the SRS indicator never
> coming on.
>
> That means no bulb check sequence (on for 6 second, then off;if no problem
> detected) when the IG switch is turned to the Run position.
>
---------------------------
I'm sure the kind of criminals who would sell a car with 'faked' air
bags know exactly what kind of resistor / capacitor to insert in the
circuit to defeat the fail-safe system :-( (Probably got it off the
Internet)
'Curly'
> That is not correct.
> The SRS indicator is designed to stay on solid if the indicator control
> circuit is either shorted to ground or open.
> A short to power on the same circuit WILL result in the SRS indicator never
> coming on.
>
> That means no bulb check sequence (on for 6 second, then off;if no problem
> detected) when the IG switch is turned to the Run position.
>
---------------------------
I'm sure the kind of criminals who would sell a car with 'faked' air
bags know exactly what kind of resistor / capacitor to insert in the
circuit to defeat the fail-safe system :-( (Probably got it off the
Internet)
'Curly'
02-25-2006 | 01:58 PM
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TomP wrote:
> "TeGGeR®" wrote:
>
>
>>Not necessarily. If you unplug the airbag ECU, the light will remain off.
>>
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>>
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>
>
> That is not correct.
> The SRS indicator is designed to stay on solid if the indicator control
> circuit is either shorted to ground or open.
> A short to power on the same circuit WILL result in the SRS indicator never
> coming on.
>
> That means no bulb check sequence (on for 6 second, then off;if no problem
> detected) when the IG switch is turned to the Run position.
I haven't gotten back to the Accord yet, but I looked at a 97 Camry
(can I say "Camry" in here?) yesterday, and the light never came on
under any condition.
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bill
Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.
> "TeGGeR®" wrote:
>
>
>>Not necessarily. If you unplug the airbag ECU, the light will remain off.
>>
>>--
>>TeGGeR®
>>
>>The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
>>www.tegger.com/hondafaq/
>
>
> That is not correct.
> The SRS indicator is designed to stay on solid if the indicator control
> circuit is either shorted to ground or open.
> A short to power on the same circuit WILL result in the SRS indicator never
> coming on.
>
> That means no bulb check sequence (on for 6 second, then off;if no problem
> detected) when the IG switch is turned to the Run position.
I haven't gotten back to the Accord yet, but I looked at a 97 Camry
(can I say "Camry" in here?) yesterday, and the light never came on
under any condition.
--
bill
Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.
02-27-2006 | 08:36 AM
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Re: Air bag presence verification
TomP <roadcyc@socal.rr.com> wrote in
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> "TeGGeR®" wrote:
>
>>
>> Not necessarily. If you unplug the airbag ECU, the light will remain
>> off.
>>
>
> That is not correct.
> The SRS indicator is designed to stay on solid if the indicator
> control circuit is either shorted to ground or open.
Maybe Honda does it differently. I've got a '99 Toyota sitting in my
driveway right now with an unplugged airbag. The SRS light never comes on
ever. And I even left the seatbelt pretensioners plugged in.
>
>
>
> --
> Tp,
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news:44008620.EE8DC1CA@socal.rr.com:
> "TeGGeR®" wrote:
>
>>
>> Not necessarily. If you unplug the airbag ECU, the light will remain
>> off.
>>
>
> That is not correct.
> The SRS indicator is designed to stay on solid if the indicator
> control circuit is either shorted to ground or open.
Maybe Honda does it differently. I've got a '99 Toyota sitting in my
driveway right now with an unplugged airbag. The SRS light never comes on
ever. And I even left the seatbelt pretensioners plugged in.
>
>
>
> --
> Tp,
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