aftermarket rotors/brakes
02-10-2005 | 12:50 AM
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Re: aftermarket rotors/brakes
Jim Yanik <jyanik@abuse.gov.> wrote in
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> "TeGGer®" <tegger@istop.c0m> wrote in
> news:Xns95F8C625E5DFEteggeratistop@207.14.113.17:
>> The rear brakes don't DO nothin'. Except rust. And seize.
>>
>> I suspect your warpage problem is just poor maintenance.
>>
>>
>
> You would be surprised at how much the rear brakes DO do.
> I had a 63 Triumph Herald lose it's brakes due to failure of a rear
> brake cylinder seal,and blocked off the rear half of the system(before
> cross- connected systems) to get home. It makes a big difference.
That Herald was rear-wheel drive. On RWD cars the rear brakes do quite a
bit more than they do on a FWD car. My comment was figurative, not literal.
Rear brakes on a FWD car are doing braking, obviously, but it's NEVER
enough to get them heated up to the point of warpage. Take your car for a
fairly aggressive spin, park it and feel the wheel nuts front and rear.
You'll see what I mean.
Rear rotors these days are the same unventilated style as the fronts used
to be 20 years ago.
Now if the rear calipers are beginning to seize and the pads are dragging,
the rear rotors will heat up quite a bit more than they're supposed to, and
unevenly as well.
--
TeGGeR®
The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/
news:Xns95F8C906C12BFjyanikkuanet@129.250.170.86:
> "TeGGer®" <tegger@istop.c0m> wrote in
> news:Xns95F8C625E5DFEteggeratistop@207.14.113.17:
>> The rear brakes don't DO nothin'. Except rust. And seize.
>>
>> I suspect your warpage problem is just poor maintenance.
>>
>>
>
> You would be surprised at how much the rear brakes DO do.
> I had a 63 Triumph Herald lose it's brakes due to failure of a rear
> brake cylinder seal,and blocked off the rear half of the system(before
> cross- connected systems) to get home. It makes a big difference.
That Herald was rear-wheel drive. On RWD cars the rear brakes do quite a
bit more than they do on a FWD car. My comment was figurative, not literal.
Rear brakes on a FWD car are doing braking, obviously, but it's NEVER
enough to get them heated up to the point of warpage. Take your car for a
fairly aggressive spin, park it and feel the wheel nuts front and rear.
You'll see what I mean.
Rear rotors these days are the same unventilated style as the fronts used
to be 20 years ago.
Now if the rear calipers are beginning to seize and the pads are dragging,
the rear rotors will heat up quite a bit more than they're supposed to, and
unevenly as well.
--
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The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/
02-10-2005 | 12:50 AM
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Re: aftermarket rotors/brakes
Jim Yanik <jyanik@abuse.gov.> wrote in
news:Xns95F8C906C12BFjyanikkuanet@129.250.170.86:
> "TeGGer®" <tegger@istop.c0m> wrote in
> news:Xns95F8C625E5DFEteggeratistop@207.14.113.17:
>> The rear brakes don't DO nothin'. Except rust. And seize.
>>
>> I suspect your warpage problem is just poor maintenance.
>>
>>
>
> You would be surprised at how much the rear brakes DO do.
> I had a 63 Triumph Herald lose it's brakes due to failure of a rear
> brake cylinder seal,and blocked off the rear half of the system(before
> cross- connected systems) to get home. It makes a big difference.
That Herald was rear-wheel drive. On RWD cars the rear brakes do quite a
bit more than they do on a FWD car. My comment was figurative, not literal.
Rear brakes on a FWD car are doing braking, obviously, but it's NEVER
enough to get them heated up to the point of warpage. Take your car for a
fairly aggressive spin, park it and feel the wheel nuts front and rear.
You'll see what I mean.
Rear rotors these days are the same unventilated style as the fronts used
to be 20 years ago.
Now if the rear calipers are beginning to seize and the pads are dragging,
the rear rotors will heat up quite a bit more than they're supposed to, and
unevenly as well.
--
TeGGeR®
The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/
news:Xns95F8C906C12BFjyanikkuanet@129.250.170.86:
> "TeGGer®" <tegger@istop.c0m> wrote in
> news:Xns95F8C625E5DFEteggeratistop@207.14.113.17:
>> The rear brakes don't DO nothin'. Except rust. And seize.
>>
>> I suspect your warpage problem is just poor maintenance.
>>
>>
>
> You would be surprised at how much the rear brakes DO do.
> I had a 63 Triumph Herald lose it's brakes due to failure of a rear
> brake cylinder seal,and blocked off the rear half of the system(before
> cross- connected systems) to get home. It makes a big difference.
That Herald was rear-wheel drive. On RWD cars the rear brakes do quite a
bit more than they do on a FWD car. My comment was figurative, not literal.
Rear brakes on a FWD car are doing braking, obviously, but it's NEVER
enough to get them heated up to the point of warpage. Take your car for a
fairly aggressive spin, park it and feel the wheel nuts front and rear.
You'll see what I mean.
Rear rotors these days are the same unventilated style as the fronts used
to be 20 years ago.
Now if the rear calipers are beginning to seize and the pads are dragging,
the rear rotors will heat up quite a bit more than they're supposed to, and
unevenly as well.
--
TeGGeR®
The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/
02-10-2005 | 01:25 AM
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Re: aftermarket rotors/brakes
RanMan wrote:
> the rear rotors are too thin (not vented like the front) and warp easily.
they're good enough for the job they have to do. warpage, in my
experience, is a function of maintenance, nothing else. well
maintained, you can run those things red hot all day & they'll be just fine.
>
> "jim beam" <nospam@example.net> wrote in message
> news:1107958177.b0c03441f3d5128e91d95c1315eca0d1@t eranews...
>
>>RanMan wrote:
>>
>>>I've tried the Midas touch and was extremely disappointed.
>>>
>>>I'm looking for a more heavy duty rotor and pad system for a 99 accord
>>>exv6.
>>
>>what problem are you experiencing that makes you want "more heavy duty"?
>>
>>
>>>Any suggestions?
>>
>
>
> the rear rotors are too thin (not vented like the front) and warp easily.
they're good enough for the job they have to do. warpage, in my
experience, is a function of maintenance, nothing else. well
maintained, you can run those things red hot all day & they'll be just fine.
>
> "jim beam" <nospam@example.net> wrote in message
> news:1107958177.b0c03441f3d5128e91d95c1315eca0d1@t eranews...
>
>>RanMan wrote:
>>
>>>I've tried the Midas touch and was extremely disappointed.
>>>
>>>I'm looking for a more heavy duty rotor and pad system for a 99 accord
>>>exv6.
>>
>>what problem are you experiencing that makes you want "more heavy duty"?
>>
>>
>>>Any suggestions?
>>
>
>
02-10-2005 | 01:25 AM
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Re: aftermarket rotors/brakes
RanMan wrote:
> the rear rotors are too thin (not vented like the front) and warp easily.
they're good enough for the job they have to do. warpage, in my
experience, is a function of maintenance, nothing else. well
maintained, you can run those things red hot all day & they'll be just fine.
>
> "jim beam" <nospam@example.net> wrote in message
> news:1107958177.b0c03441f3d5128e91d95c1315eca0d1@t eranews...
>
>>RanMan wrote:
>>
>>>I've tried the Midas touch and was extremely disappointed.
>>>
>>>I'm looking for a more heavy duty rotor and pad system for a 99 accord
>>>exv6.
>>
>>what problem are you experiencing that makes you want "more heavy duty"?
>>
>>
>>>Any suggestions?
>>
>
>
> the rear rotors are too thin (not vented like the front) and warp easily.
they're good enough for the job they have to do. warpage, in my
experience, is a function of maintenance, nothing else. well
maintained, you can run those things red hot all day & they'll be just fine.
>
> "jim beam" <nospam@example.net> wrote in message
> news:1107958177.b0c03441f3d5128e91d95c1315eca0d1@t eranews...
>
>>RanMan wrote:
>>
>>>I've tried the Midas touch and was extremely disappointed.
>>>
>>>I'm looking for a more heavy duty rotor and pad system for a 99 accord
>>>exv6.
>>
>>what problem are you experiencing that makes you want "more heavy duty"?
>>
>>
>>>Any suggestions?
>>
>
>
02-10-2005 | 07:18 AM
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Re: aftermarket rotors/brakes
"jim beam" <nospam@example.net> wrote in message
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> RanMan wrote:
>> the rear rotors are too thin (not vented like the front) and warp easily.
>
> they're good enough for the job they have to do. warpage, in my
> experience, is a function of maintenance, nothing else. well maintained,
> you can run those things red hot all day & they'll be just fine.
>
I agree. After I learned to torque my lug nuts to specs I stopped having
warped rotors. Lesson learned.
Mike
news:1108016735.45242b4064dcf7284a03bc322631211e@t eranews...
> RanMan wrote:
>> the rear rotors are too thin (not vented like the front) and warp easily.
>
> they're good enough for the job they have to do. warpage, in my
> experience, is a function of maintenance, nothing else. well maintained,
> you can run those things red hot all day & they'll be just fine.
>
I agree. After I learned to torque my lug nuts to specs I stopped having
warped rotors. Lesson learned.
Mike
02-10-2005 | 07:18 AM
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Re: aftermarket rotors/brakes
"jim beam" <nospam@example.net> wrote in message
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> RanMan wrote:
>> the rear rotors are too thin (not vented like the front) and warp easily.
>
> they're good enough for the job they have to do. warpage, in my
> experience, is a function of maintenance, nothing else. well maintained,
> you can run those things red hot all day & they'll be just fine.
>
I agree. After I learned to torque my lug nuts to specs I stopped having
warped rotors. Lesson learned.
Mike
news:1108016735.45242b4064dcf7284a03bc322631211e@t eranews...
> RanMan wrote:
>> the rear rotors are too thin (not vented like the front) and warp easily.
>
> they're good enough for the job they have to do. warpage, in my
> experience, is a function of maintenance, nothing else. well maintained,
> you can run those things red hot all day & they'll be just fine.
>
I agree. After I learned to torque my lug nuts to specs I stopped having
warped rotors. Lesson learned.
Mike
02-10-2005 | 07:55 AM
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"TeGGer®" <tegger@istop.c0m> wrote in
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> Now if the rear calipers are beginning to seize and the pads are
> dragging, the rear rotors will heat up quite a bit more than they're
> supposed to, and unevenly as well.
>
There are lots of reasons rotors warp.
An excellent treatise is here:
http://www.babcox.com/editorial/bf/bf100326.htm
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news:Xns95F98F04EBE2teggeratistop@207.14.113.17:
> Now if the rear calipers are beginning to seize and the pads are
> dragging, the rear rotors will heat up quite a bit more than they're
> supposed to, and unevenly as well.
>
There are lots of reasons rotors warp.
An excellent treatise is here:
http://www.babcox.com/editorial/bf/bf100326.htm
--
TeGGeR®
The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/
02-10-2005 | 07:55 AM
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Re: aftermarket rotors/brakes
"TeGGer®" <tegger@istop.c0m> wrote in
news:Xns95F98F04EBE2teggeratistop@207.14.113.17:
> Now if the rear calipers are beginning to seize and the pads are
> dragging, the rear rotors will heat up quite a bit more than they're
> supposed to, and unevenly as well.
>
There are lots of reasons rotors warp.
An excellent treatise is here:
http://www.babcox.com/editorial/bf/bf100326.htm
--
TeGGeR®
The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
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news:Xns95F98F04EBE2teggeratistop@207.14.113.17:
> Now if the rear calipers are beginning to seize and the pads are
> dragging, the rear rotors will heat up quite a bit more than they're
> supposed to, and unevenly as well.
>
There are lots of reasons rotors warp.
An excellent treatise is here:
http://www.babcox.com/editorial/bf/bf100326.htm
--
TeGGeR®
The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/
02-10-2005 | 08:28 PM
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"TeGGer®" <tegger@istop.c0m> wrote in
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> Jim Yanik <jyanik@abuse.gov.> wrote in
> news:Xns95F8C906C12BFjyanikkuanet@129.250.170.86:
>
>> "TeGGer®" <tegger@istop.c0m> wrote in
>> news:Xns95F8C625E5DFEteggeratistop@207.14.113.17:
>
>>> The rear brakes don't DO nothin'. Except rust. And seize.
>>>
>>> I suspect your warpage problem is just poor maintenance.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> You would be surprised at how much the rear brakes DO do.
>> I had a 63 Triumph Herald lose it's brakes due to failure of a rear
>> brake cylinder seal,and blocked off the rear half of the
>> system(before cross- connected systems) to get home. It makes a big
>> difference.
>
>
>
> That Herald was rear-wheel drive. On RWD cars the rear brakes do quite
> a bit more than they do on a FWD car.
Bull.Wherever did you get that idea?
>
> Now if the rear calipers are beginning to seize and the pads are
> dragging, the rear rotors will heat up quite a bit more than they're
> supposed to, and unevenly as well.
>
This I agree with.
--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
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news:Xns95F98F04EBE2teggeratistop@207.14.113.17:
> Jim Yanik <jyanik@abuse.gov.> wrote in
> news:Xns95F8C906C12BFjyanikkuanet@129.250.170.86:
>
>> "TeGGer®" <tegger@istop.c0m> wrote in
>> news:Xns95F8C625E5DFEteggeratistop@207.14.113.17:
>
>>> The rear brakes don't DO nothin'. Except rust. And seize.
>>>
>>> I suspect your warpage problem is just poor maintenance.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> You would be surprised at how much the rear brakes DO do.
>> I had a 63 Triumph Herald lose it's brakes due to failure of a rear
>> brake cylinder seal,and blocked off the rear half of the
>> system(before cross- connected systems) to get home. It makes a big
>> difference.
>
>
>
> That Herald was rear-wheel drive. On RWD cars the rear brakes do quite
> a bit more than they do on a FWD car.
Bull.Wherever did you get that idea?
>
> Now if the rear calipers are beginning to seize and the pads are
> dragging, the rear rotors will heat up quite a bit more than they're
> supposed to, and unevenly as well.
>
This I agree with.
--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net
02-10-2005 | 08:28 PM
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"TeGGer®" <tegger@istop.c0m> wrote in
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> Jim Yanik <jyanik@abuse.gov.> wrote in
> news:Xns95F8C906C12BFjyanikkuanet@129.250.170.86:
>
>> "TeGGer®" <tegger@istop.c0m> wrote in
>> news:Xns95F8C625E5DFEteggeratistop@207.14.113.17:
>
>>> The rear brakes don't DO nothin'. Except rust. And seize.
>>>
>>> I suspect your warpage problem is just poor maintenance.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> You would be surprised at how much the rear brakes DO do.
>> I had a 63 Triumph Herald lose it's brakes due to failure of a rear
>> brake cylinder seal,and blocked off the rear half of the
>> system(before cross- connected systems) to get home. It makes a big
>> difference.
>
>
>
> That Herald was rear-wheel drive. On RWD cars the rear brakes do quite
> a bit more than they do on a FWD car.
Bull.Wherever did you get that idea?
>
> Now if the rear calipers are beginning to seize and the pads are
> dragging, the rear rotors will heat up quite a bit more than they're
> supposed to, and unevenly as well.
>
This I agree with.
--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net
news:Xns95F98F04EBE2teggeratistop@207.14.113.17:
> Jim Yanik <jyanik@abuse.gov.> wrote in
> news:Xns95F8C906C12BFjyanikkuanet@129.250.170.86:
>
>> "TeGGer®" <tegger@istop.c0m> wrote in
>> news:Xns95F8C625E5DFEteggeratistop@207.14.113.17:
>
>>> The rear brakes don't DO nothin'. Except rust. And seize.
>>>
>>> I suspect your warpage problem is just poor maintenance.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> You would be surprised at how much the rear brakes DO do.
>> I had a 63 Triumph Herald lose it's brakes due to failure of a rear
>> brake cylinder seal,and blocked off the rear half of the
>> system(before cross- connected systems) to get home. It makes a big
>> difference.
>
>
>
> That Herald was rear-wheel drive. On RWD cars the rear brakes do quite
> a bit more than they do on a FWD car.
Bull.Wherever did you get that idea?
>
> Now if the rear calipers are beginning to seize and the pads are
> dragging, the rear rotors will heat up quite a bit more than they're
> supposed to, and unevenly as well.
>
This I agree with.
--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
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02-10-2005 | 08:30 PM
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jim beam <nospam@example.net> wrote in
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> RanMan wrote:
>> the rear rotors are too thin (not vented like the front) and warp
>> easily.
>
> they're good enough for the job they have to do. warpage, in my
> experience, is a function of maintenance, nothing else. well
> maintained, you can run those things red hot all day & they'll be just
> fine.
>
Run ordinary brakes red-hot and your brakefluid will boil and you get brake
fade or complete loss of braking.
--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net
news:1108016735.45242b4064dcf7284a03bc322631211e@t eranews:
> RanMan wrote:
>> the rear rotors are too thin (not vented like the front) and warp
>> easily.
>
> they're good enough for the job they have to do. warpage, in my
> experience, is a function of maintenance, nothing else. well
> maintained, you can run those things red hot all day & they'll be just
> fine.
>
Run ordinary brakes red-hot and your brakefluid will boil and you get brake
fade or complete loss of braking.
--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net
02-10-2005 | 08:30 PM
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jim beam <nospam@example.net> wrote in
news:1108016735.45242b4064dcf7284a03bc322631211e@t eranews:
> RanMan wrote:
>> the rear rotors are too thin (not vented like the front) and warp
>> easily.
>
> they're good enough for the job they have to do. warpage, in my
> experience, is a function of maintenance, nothing else. well
> maintained, you can run those things red hot all day & they'll be just
> fine.
>
Run ordinary brakes red-hot and your brakefluid will boil and you get brake
fade or complete loss of braking.
--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net
news:1108016735.45242b4064dcf7284a03bc322631211e@t eranews:
> RanMan wrote:
>> the rear rotors are too thin (not vented like the front) and warp
>> easily.
>
> they're good enough for the job they have to do. warpage, in my
> experience, is a function of maintenance, nothing else. well
> maintained, you can run those things red hot all day & they'll be just
> fine.
>
Run ordinary brakes red-hot and your brakefluid will boil and you get brake
fade or complete loss of braking.
--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net
02-11-2005 | 01:50 AM
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Jim Yanik wrote:
> jim beam <nospam@example.net> wrote in
> news:1108016735.45242b4064dcf7284a03bc322631211e@t eranews:
>
>
>>RanMan wrote:
>>
>>>the rear rotors are too thin (not vented like the front) and warp
>>>easily.
>>
>>they're good enough for the job they have to do. warpage, in my
>>experience, is a function of maintenance, nothing else. well
>>maintained, you can run those things red hot all day & they'll be just
>>fine.
>>
>
>
> Run ordinary brakes red-hot and your brakefluid will boil and you get brake
> fade or complete loss of braking.
you're right that red hot brakes are undesirable, but whether the fluid
boils depends on the fluid grade, how fresh it is, caliper air flow, pad
conductivity, etc. when i was in europe, i'd watch some of the rally
competitions, and on night stages, every car had brake disks glowing
cherry red through the wheel spokes, front & rear. they stopped on a dime.
> jim beam <nospam@example.net> wrote in
> news:1108016735.45242b4064dcf7284a03bc322631211e@t eranews:
>
>
>>RanMan wrote:
>>
>>>the rear rotors are too thin (not vented like the front) and warp
>>>easily.
>>
>>they're good enough for the job they have to do. warpage, in my
>>experience, is a function of maintenance, nothing else. well
>>maintained, you can run those things red hot all day & they'll be just
>>fine.
>>
>
>
> Run ordinary brakes red-hot and your brakefluid will boil and you get brake
> fade or complete loss of braking.
you're right that red hot brakes are undesirable, but whether the fluid
boils depends on the fluid grade, how fresh it is, caliper air flow, pad
conductivity, etc. when i was in europe, i'd watch some of the rally
competitions, and on night stages, every car had brake disks glowing
cherry red through the wheel spokes, front & rear. they stopped on a dime.
02-11-2005 | 01:50 AM
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Jim Yanik wrote:
> jim beam <nospam@example.net> wrote in
> news:1108016735.45242b4064dcf7284a03bc322631211e@t eranews:
>
>
>>RanMan wrote:
>>
>>>the rear rotors are too thin (not vented like the front) and warp
>>>easily.
>>
>>they're good enough for the job they have to do. warpage, in my
>>experience, is a function of maintenance, nothing else. well
>>maintained, you can run those things red hot all day & they'll be just
>>fine.
>>
>
>
> Run ordinary brakes red-hot and your brakefluid will boil and you get brake
> fade or complete loss of braking.
you're right that red hot brakes are undesirable, but whether the fluid
boils depends on the fluid grade, how fresh it is, caliper air flow, pad
conductivity, etc. when i was in europe, i'd watch some of the rally
competitions, and on night stages, every car had brake disks glowing
cherry red through the wheel spokes, front & rear. they stopped on a dime.
> jim beam <nospam@example.net> wrote in
> news:1108016735.45242b4064dcf7284a03bc322631211e@t eranews:
>
>
>>RanMan wrote:
>>
>>>the rear rotors are too thin (not vented like the front) and warp
>>>easily.
>>
>>they're good enough for the job they have to do. warpage, in my
>>experience, is a function of maintenance, nothing else. well
>>maintained, you can run those things red hot all day & they'll be just
>>fine.
>>
>
>
> Run ordinary brakes red-hot and your brakefluid will boil and you get brake
> fade or complete loss of braking.
you're right that red hot brakes are undesirable, but whether the fluid
boils depends on the fluid grade, how fresh it is, caliper air flow, pad
conductivity, etc. when i was in europe, i'd watch some of the rally
competitions, and on night stages, every car had brake disks glowing
cherry red through the wheel spokes, front & rear. they stopped on a dime.
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