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> "jim beam" <nospam@example.net> wrote in message
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>> dog wrote:
>>> "Henry Kolesnik" <kolesnik@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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>>>
> it does not look good in any case, the v6 does not look low,neither does
> the honda. If you want an ugly *** looking pipe then buy the camry.

How much time do you spend looking at the back of your car? I figure that's
the problem of the guy behind me in traffic.

 

"dog" <goose@***.net> wrote in message
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> "jim beam" <nospam@example.net> wrote in message
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>> dog wrote:
>>> "Henry Kolesnik" <kolesnik@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>>> news:Impme.54$RV5.4@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com...
>>>
> it does not look good in any case, the v6 does not look low,neither does
> the honda. If you want an ugly *** looking pipe then buy the camry.

How much time do you spend looking at the back of your car? I figure that's
the problem of the guy behind me in traffic.

 

We just got a Camry
Why? The Camry (used) was a bit cheaper. The t-belted Camry is a
noninterference engine, safe if the belt were to break, however, the chain
driven (VVIT?) Camry has no EGR system, and no belt to change.
These were my choices; and as others said, both fine cars.

--
Stephen W. Hansen
ASE Certified Master Automobile Technician
ASE Undercar Specialist

"Henry Kolesnik" <kolesnik@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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> On Saturday my wife and I both drove the 4 cylinder automatics and really
> like both the Honda and Toyota. I couldn't find any significant
> difference but my wife liked the looks of one better than the other and
> she can't recall which one because we also drove the Mitsubishi Galant,
> Hyundai Sonota, Toyota Matrix, and a PT Cruiser. The PT & Matrix is off
> our list and it's between Honda and Toyota because the other 2 Asian cars
> depreciate faster. Apart from emotions with prices, performace and
> features essentially the same what are factual reasons for selecting one
> over the other.
> tnx
> Hank
>

 

We just got a Camry
Why? The Camry (used) was a bit cheaper. The t-belted Camry is a
noninterference engine, safe if the belt were to break, however, the chain
driven (VVIT?) Camry has no EGR system, and no belt to change.
These were my choices; and as others said, both fine cars.

--
Stephen W. Hansen
ASE Certified Master Automobile Technician
ASE Undercar Specialist

"Henry Kolesnik" <kolesnik@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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> On Saturday my wife and I both drove the 4 cylinder automatics and really
> like both the Honda and Toyota. I couldn't find any significant
> difference but my wife liked the looks of one better than the other and
> she can't recall which one because we also drove the Mitsubishi Galant,
> Hyundai Sonota, Toyota Matrix, and a PT Cruiser. The PT & Matrix is off
> our list and it's between Honda and Toyota because the other 2 Asian cars
> depreciate faster. Apart from emotions with prices, performace and
> features essentially the same what are factual reasons for selecting one
> over the other.
> tnx
> Hank
>

 

Steve
We're leaning toward a new 05 Camry because a used one with 25,000 miles is
about 16,000 and a new one with a few more goodies is $18,400. What does
Camry do instead of EGR? This is one subject I've not seen mentioned. I
was aware fo the noninterference engine but I don't know if 4 cylinder VVIT
has a chain or a belt. I did however notice that Honda mentions a 110,000
miles service interval in its brochure but Toyota is silent.
Comparing new cars, the Toyota in Silver looks nicer, has a drivers power
seat, radio controls on the steering wheel, and is quieter on the hiway.
Only things the Honda has that we'd like is telescoping wheel and lighted
vanity mirrorss (wife, not me).
tnx
Hank
"Steve" <hansensw@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> We just got a Camry
> Why? The Camry (used) was a bit cheaper. The t-belted Camry is a
> noninterference engine, safe if the belt were to break, however, the chain
> driven (VVIT?) Camry has no EGR system, and no belt to change.
> These were my choices; and as others said, both fine cars.
>
> --
> Stephen W. Hansen
> ASE Certified Master Automobile Technician
> ASE Undercar Specialist
>
> "Henry Kolesnik" <kolesnik@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:Impme.54$RV5.4@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com...
>> On Saturday my wife and I both drove the 4 cylinder automatics and really
>> like both the Honda and Toyota. I couldn't find any significant
>> difference but my wife liked the looks of one better than the other and
>> she can't recall which one because we also drove the Mitsubishi Galant,
>> Hyundai Sonota, Toyota Matrix, and a PT Cruiser. The PT & Matrix is off
>> our list and it's between Honda and Toyota because the other 2 Asian
>> cars depreciate faster. Apart from emotions with prices, performace and
>> features essentially the same what are factual reasons for selecting one
>> over the other.
>> tnx
>> Hank
>>
>
>

 

Steve
We're leaning toward a new 05 Camry because a used one with 25,000 miles is
about 16,000 and a new one with a few more goodies is $18,400. What does
Camry do instead of EGR? This is one subject I've not seen mentioned. I
was aware fo the noninterference engine but I don't know if 4 cylinder VVIT
has a chain or a belt. I did however notice that Honda mentions a 110,000
miles service interval in its brochure but Toyota is silent.
Comparing new cars, the Toyota in Silver looks nicer, has a drivers power
seat, radio controls on the steering wheel, and is quieter on the hiway.
Only things the Honda has that we'd like is telescoping wheel and lighted
vanity mirrorss (wife, not me).
tnx
Hank
"Steve" <hansensw@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> We just got a Camry
> Why? The Camry (used) was a bit cheaper. The t-belted Camry is a
> noninterference engine, safe if the belt were to break, however, the chain
> driven (VVIT?) Camry has no EGR system, and no belt to change.
> These were my choices; and as others said, both fine cars.
>
> --
> Stephen W. Hansen
> ASE Certified Master Automobile Technician
> ASE Undercar Specialist
>
> "Henry Kolesnik" <kolesnik@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:Impme.54$RV5.4@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com...
>> On Saturday my wife and I both drove the 4 cylinder automatics and really
>> like both the Honda and Toyota. I couldn't find any significant
>> difference but my wife liked the looks of one better than the other and
>> she can't recall which one because we also drove the Mitsubishi Galant,
>> Hyundai Sonota, Toyota Matrix, and a PT Cruiser. The PT & Matrix is off
>> our list and it's between Honda and Toyota because the other 2 Asian
>> cars depreciate faster. Apart from emotions with prices, performace and
>> features essentially the same what are factual reasons for selecting one
>> over the other.
>> tnx
>> Hank
>>
>
>

 

yeah but the Honda has more durability. they've done away with the timing
belt in ivtech engine. and just because toyota doesn't say you need a
service within 110,000 miles doesn't mean it won't need any service. chances
are it will need service before that amount of miles. toyotas aren't built
the same as honda. hondas have excellent engines and the whole car is put
together well. i'm sure in the long run you'll be alot happier with the
accord and you can buy one with the same features.


-jeff
"Henry Kolesnik" <kolesnik@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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> Steve
> We're leaning toward a new 05 Camry because a used one with 25,000 miles
> is about 16,000 and a new one with a few more goodies is $18,400. What
> does Camry do instead of EGR? This is one subject I've not seen
> mentioned. I was aware fo the noninterference engine but I don't know if
> 4 cylinder VVIT has a chain or a belt. I did however notice that Honda
> mentions a 110,000 miles service interval in its brochure but Toyota is
> silent.
> Comparing new cars, the Toyota in Silver looks nicer, has a drivers power
> seat, radio controls on the steering wheel, and is quieter on the hiway.
> Only things the Honda has that we'd like is telescoping wheel and lighted
> vanity mirrorss (wife, not me).
> tnx
> Hank
> "Steve" <hansensw@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:b9Rme.862066$w62.708246@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>> We just got a Camry
>> Why? The Camry (used) was a bit cheaper. The t-belted Camry is a
>> noninterference engine, safe if the belt were to break, however, the
>> chain driven (VVIT?) Camry has no EGR system, and no belt to change.
>> These were my choices; and as others said, both fine cars.
>>
>> --
>> Stephen W. Hansen
>> ASE Certified Master Automobile Technician
>> ASE Undercar Specialist
>>
>> "Henry Kolesnik" <kolesnik@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>> news:Impme.54$RV5.4@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com...
>>> On Saturday my wife and I both drove the 4 cylinder automatics and
>>> really like both the Honda and Toyota. I couldn't find any significant
>>> difference but my wife liked the looks of one better than the other and
>>> she can't recall which one because we also drove the Mitsubishi Galant,
>>> Hyundai Sonota, Toyota Matrix, and a PT Cruiser. The PT & Matrix is off
>>> our list and it's between Honda and Toyota because the other 2 Asian
>>> cars depreciate faster. Apart from emotions with prices, performace and
>>> features essentially the same what are factual reasons for selecting one
>>> over the other.
>>> tnx
>>> Hank
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

 

yeah but the Honda has more durability. they've done away with the timing
belt in ivtech engine. and just because toyota doesn't say you need a
service within 110,000 miles doesn't mean it won't need any service. chances
are it will need service before that amount of miles. toyotas aren't built
the same as honda. hondas have excellent engines and the whole car is put
together well. i'm sure in the long run you'll be alot happier with the
accord and you can buy one with the same features.


-jeff
"Henry Kolesnik" <kolesnik@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:EBZme.749$RV5.322@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com. ..
> Steve
> We're leaning toward a new 05 Camry because a used one with 25,000 miles
> is about 16,000 and a new one with a few more goodies is $18,400. What
> does Camry do instead of EGR? This is one subject I've not seen
> mentioned. I was aware fo the noninterference engine but I don't know if
> 4 cylinder VVIT has a chain or a belt. I did however notice that Honda
> mentions a 110,000 miles service interval in its brochure but Toyota is
> silent.
> Comparing new cars, the Toyota in Silver looks nicer, has a drivers power
> seat, radio controls on the steering wheel, and is quieter on the hiway.
> Only things the Honda has that we'd like is telescoping wheel and lighted
> vanity mirrorss (wife, not me).
> tnx
> Hank
> "Steve" <hansensw@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:b9Rme.862066$w62.708246@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>> We just got a Camry
>> Why? The Camry (used) was a bit cheaper. The t-belted Camry is a
>> noninterference engine, safe if the belt were to break, however, the
>> chain driven (VVIT?) Camry has no EGR system, and no belt to change.
>> These were my choices; and as others said, both fine cars.
>>
>> --
>> Stephen W. Hansen
>> ASE Certified Master Automobile Technician
>> ASE Undercar Specialist
>>
>> "Henry Kolesnik" <kolesnik@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>> news:Impme.54$RV5.4@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com...
>>> On Saturday my wife and I both drove the 4 cylinder automatics and
>>> really like both the Honda and Toyota. I couldn't find any significant
>>> difference but my wife liked the looks of one better than the other and
>>> she can't recall which one because we also drove the Mitsubishi Galant,
>>> Hyundai Sonota, Toyota Matrix, and a PT Cruiser. The PT & Matrix is off
>>> our list and it's between Honda and Toyota because the other 2 Asian
>>> cars depreciate faster. Apart from emotions with prices, performace and
>>> features essentially the same what are factual reasons for selecting one
>>> over the other.
>>> tnx
>>> Hank
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

 

Both are fine cars and either one will go a long way.

You might want to check out the local dealer service departments to make
this decision. I was fed up by a local Toyota dealer services to make a
switch. However, I have heard bad story the other way around from my
friends. Do not let the price and features fool you. Both cars are great if
you have a good local dealer who can serve you.


"Henry Kolesnik" <kolesnik@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:Impme.54$RV5.4@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com...
> On Saturday my wife and I both drove the 4 cylinder automatics and really
> like both the Honda and Toyota. I couldn't find any significant
difference
> but my wife liked the looks of one better than the other and she can't
> recall which one because we also drove the Mitsubishi Galant, Hyundai
> Sonota, Toyota Matrix, and a PT Cruiser. The PT & Matrix is off our list
> and it's between Honda and Toyota because the other 2 Asian cars
depreciate
> faster. Apart from emotions with prices, performace and features
> essentially the same what are factual reasons for selecting one over the
> other.
> tnx
> Hank
>
>
>

 

Both are fine cars and either one will go a long way.

You might want to check out the local dealer service departments to make
this decision. I was fed up by a local Toyota dealer services to make a
switch. However, I have heard bad story the other way around from my
friends. Do not let the price and features fool you. Both cars are great if
you have a good local dealer who can serve you.


"Henry Kolesnik" <kolesnik@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:Impme.54$RV5.4@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com...
> On Saturday my wife and I both drove the 4 cylinder automatics and really
> like both the Honda and Toyota. I couldn't find any significant
difference
> but my wife liked the looks of one better than the other and she can't
> recall which one because we also drove the Mitsubishi Galant, Hyundai
> Sonota, Toyota Matrix, and a PT Cruiser. The PT & Matrix is off our list
> and it's between Honda and Toyota because the other 2 Asian cars
depreciate
> faster. Apart from emotions with prices, performace and features
> essentially the same what are factual reasons for selecting one over the
> other.
> tnx
> Hank
>
>
>

 

In article <Mn_me.324$JW4.147@newssvr31.news.prodigy.com>,
"hondaman" <jeffscomp@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> yeah but the Honda has more durability.

No, not at all. Your chances of getting the same reliability out of
either marque are equal.

 

In article <Mn_me.324$JW4.147@newssvr31.news.prodigy.com>,
"hondaman" <jeffscomp@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> yeah but the Honda has more durability.

No, not at all. Your chances of getting the same reliability out of
either marque are equal.

 

In article <Mn_me.324$JW4.147@newssvr31.news.prodigy.com>,
"hondaman" <jeffscomp@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> and just because toyota doesn't say you need a
> service within 110,000 miles doesn't mean it won't need any service.

(ahem) He said it was HONDA that made that claim, and that TOYOTA was
silent on the issue.

Read up before you make a total *** of yourself--again.

 

In article <Mn_me.324$JW4.147@newssvr31.news.prodigy.com>,
"hondaman" <jeffscomp@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> and just because toyota doesn't say you need a
> service within 110,000 miles doesn't mean it won't need any service.

(ahem) He said it was HONDA that made that claim, and that TOYOTA was
silent on the issue.

Read up before you make a total *** of yourself--again.

 

dude buy what u want. toyotas are not as good as honda but if you want to
boast about buying a toyota find a toyota group don't come in here trying to
put people down this is a honda group. buy the toyota i hope you have to
take it in for service everyday.


-jeff
"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
news:elmop-CA7B6E.14471631052005@nntp3.usenetserver.com...
> In article <Mn_me.324$JW4.147@newssvr31.news.prodigy.com>,
> "hondaman" <jeffscomp@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> and just because toyota doesn't say you need a
>> service within 110,000 miles doesn't mean it won't need any service.
>
> (ahem) He said it was HONDA that made that claim, and that TOYOTA was
> silent on the issue.
>
> Read up before you make a total *** of yourself--again.
>