Is it just me, or are Honda's more sensitive to tires being out of balance
than other cars?

Nobody I know has the same issues with their detroit junk or other import
makes. I have made it part of my maintenance ritual every year to get all 4
tires balanced.

I have spoken with more than 6 other Honda owners that have the same issues.

What gives? It seems like more than coincidence... does it have something to
do with the suspension setup or maybe designed with less isolation between
the tire and suspension systems?

t

highkm wrote:
>> On 9/11/07 9:42 AM, in article
>> 1189521722.027080.63...@r29g2000hsg.googlegroups.c om, "highkm"
>[quoted text clipped - 47 lines]
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>I finally found some time and put on my winter tires and rims. The
>vibrations disappeared. I contacted Toyo and they stated that they
>would be glad to replace one or all four tires if need be.
>
>Cheers.

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Is it just me, or are Honda's more sensitive to tires being out of balance
than other cars?

Nobody I know has the same issues with their detroit junk or other import
makes. I have made it part of my maintenance ritual every year to get all 4
tires balanced.

I have spoken with more than 6 other Honda owners that have the same issues.

What gives? It seems like more than coincidence... does it have something to
do with the suspension setup or maybe designed with less isolation between
the tire and suspension systems?

t

highkm wrote:
>> On 9/11/07 9:42 AM, in article
>> 1189521722.027080.63...@r29g2000hsg.googlegroups.c om, "highkm"
>[quoted text clipped - 47 lines]
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>I finally found some time and put on my winter tires and rims. The
>vibrations disappeared. I contacted Toyo and they stated that they
>would be glad to replace one or all four tires if need be.
>
>Cheers.

--
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loewent via CarKB.com wrote:
> Is it just me, or are Honda's more sensitive to tires being out of balance
> than other cars?

they are more sensitive.


>
> Nobody I know has the same issues with their detroit junk or other import
> makes. I have made it part of my maintenance ritual every year to get all 4
> tires balanced.
>
> I have spoken with more than 6 other Honda owners that have the same issues.
>
> What gives? It seems like more than coincidence... does it have something to
> do with the suspension setup or maybe designed with less isolation between
> the tire and suspension systems?

both. but you make it sound like it's a problem. i /want/ my car to
talk to me. if a wheel is out, i /want/ to know!

if you don't like that, go buy a buick - you can watch those things
rolling down the freeway with an unbalanced front wheel bouncing so
badly, it's hardly touching the pavement, yet the steering wheel is
steady as a rock. /that/ is a dangerous situation because the slightest
brake pressure will lock that wheel as it's not touching the ground
properly. and it won't corner properly at speed either. give me a
wish-boned honda any day - you'll /never/ be in ignorance of such
dangerous defects.


>
> t
>
> highkm wrote:
>>> On 9/11/07 9:42 AM, in article
>>> 1189521722.027080.63...@r29g2000hsg.googlegroups.c om, "highkm"
>> [quoted text clipped - 47 lines]
>>> - Show quoted text -
>> I finally found some time and put on my winter tires and rims. The
>> vibrations disappeared. I contacted Toyo and they stated that they
>> would be glad to replace one or all four tires if need be.
>>
>> Cheers.
>

 

loewent via CarKB.com wrote:
> Is it just me, or are Honda's more sensitive to tires being out of balance
> than other cars?

they are more sensitive.


>
> Nobody I know has the same issues with their detroit junk or other import
> makes. I have made it part of my maintenance ritual every year to get all 4
> tires balanced.
>
> I have spoken with more than 6 other Honda owners that have the same issues.
>
> What gives? It seems like more than coincidence... does it have something to
> do with the suspension setup or maybe designed with less isolation between
> the tire and suspension systems?

both. but you make it sound like it's a problem. i /want/ my car to
talk to me. if a wheel is out, i /want/ to know!

if you don't like that, go buy a buick - you can watch those things
rolling down the freeway with an unbalanced front wheel bouncing so
badly, it's hardly touching the pavement, yet the steering wheel is
steady as a rock. /that/ is a dangerous situation because the slightest
brake pressure will lock that wheel as it's not touching the ground
properly. and it won't corner properly at speed either. give me a
wish-boned honda any day - you'll /never/ be in ignorance of such
dangerous defects.


>
> t
>
> highkm wrote:
>>> On 9/11/07 9:42 AM, in article
>>> 1189521722.027080.63...@r29g2000hsg.googlegroups.c om, "highkm"
>> [quoted text clipped - 47 lines]
>>> - Show quoted text -
>> I finally found some time and put on my winter tires and rims. The
>> vibrations disappeared. I contacted Toyo and they stated that they
>> would be glad to replace one or all four tires if need be.
>>
>> Cheers.
>

 

I guess my topne said I thought it was a bad thing.... I guess when I think
about it, most of the problems I have experienced is due to bad tire quality.
Shows how many bad tires there are out there I guess.

jim beam wrote:
>> Is it just me, or are Honda's more sensitive to tires being out of balance
>> than other cars?
>
>they are more sensitive.
>
>> Nobody I know has the same issues with their detroit junk or other import
>> makes. I have made it part of my maintenance ritual every year to get all 4
>[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>> do with the suspension setup or maybe designed with less isolation between
>> the tire and suspension systems?
>
>both. but you make it sound like it's a problem. i /want/ my car to
>talk to me. if a wheel is out, i /want/ to know!
>
>if you don't like that, go buy a buick - you can watch those things
>rolling down the freeway with an unbalanced front wheel bouncing so
>badly, it's hardly touching the pavement, yet the steering wheel is
>steady as a rock. /that/ is a dangerous situation because the slightest
>brake pressure will lock that wheel as it's not touching the ground
>properly. and it won't corner properly at speed either. give me a
>wish-boned honda any day - you'll /never/ be in ignorance of such
>dangerous defects.
>
>> t
>>
>[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>>>
>>> Cheers.

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I guess my topne said I thought it was a bad thing.... I guess when I think
about it, most of the problems I have experienced is due to bad tire quality.
Shows how many bad tires there are out there I guess.

jim beam wrote:
>> Is it just me, or are Honda's more sensitive to tires being out of balance
>> than other cars?
>
>they are more sensitive.
>
>> Nobody I know has the same issues with their detroit junk or other import
>> makes. I have made it part of my maintenance ritual every year to get all 4
>[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>> do with the suspension setup or maybe designed with less isolation between
>> the tire and suspension systems?
>
>both. but you make it sound like it's a problem. i /want/ my car to
>talk to me. if a wheel is out, i /want/ to know!
>
>if you don't like that, go buy a buick - you can watch those things
>rolling down the freeway with an unbalanced front wheel bouncing so
>badly, it's hardly touching the pavement, yet the steering wheel is
>steady as a rock. /that/ is a dangerous situation because the slightest
>brake pressure will lock that wheel as it's not touching the ground
>properly. and it won't corner properly at speed either. give me a
>wish-boned honda any day - you'll /never/ be in ignorance of such
>dangerous defects.
>
>> t
>>
>[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>>>
>>> Cheers.

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On Sep 14, 8:14 am, "loewent via CarKB.com" <u10197@uwe> wrote:
> I guess my topne said I thought it was a bad thing.... I guess when I think
> about it, most of the problems I have experienced is due to bad tire quality.
> Shows how many bad tires there are out there I guess.
>
>
>
>
>
> jim beam wrote:
> >> Is it just me, or are Honda's more sensitive to tires being out of balance
> >> than other cars?
>
> >they are more sensitive.
>
> >> Nobody I know has the same issues with their detroit junk or other import
> >> makes. I have made it part of my maintenance ritual every year to get all 4
> >[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> >> do with the suspension setup or maybe designed with less isolation between
> >> the tire and suspension systems?
>
> >both. but you make it sound like it's a problem. i /want/ my car to
> >talk to me. if a wheel is out, i /want/ to know!
>
> >if you don't like that, go buy a buick - you can watch those things
> >rolling down the freeway with an unbalanced front wheel bouncing so
> >badly, it's hardly touching the pavement, yet the steering wheel is
> >steady as a rock. /that/ is a dangerous situation because the slightest
> >brake pressure will lock that wheel as it's not touching the ground
> >properly. and it won't corner properly at speed either. give me a
> >wish-boned honda any day - you'll /never/ be in ignorance of such
> >dangerous defects.
>
> >> t
>
> >[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> >>> Cheers.
>
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Finally, my car vibrations have been resolved. The problem was with
the balancing of tires. This was determined by Toyo Canada. My last
balance was a Road Force Balance at one of the Honda dealerships in
Ontario. The dealership service manager has been contacted, who
subsequently apologized and gave me service credit for the amount of
the balance ($150 CDN). What is interesting about the whole episode is
that 3 Honda FACTORY trained dealerships did not have a clue how to
balance the wheels/tires. The Road Force Balance technician told me
after the service that the vehicle has no vibrations at any speed even
when going over 120Km/h. (He never tested the car after he performed
the work.) My first drive at 120Km/h nearly broke my front suspension.
It was later determined and I have seen it with my own eyes, that some
weights that were installed by Honda delaership made no sense at all.
One weight looked like it was 0.5 lbs, and beside it was another
smaller weight. I usually go for an alignment and balance when I get a
new set of tires, as in this case. Note that Toyo Versado LX is
probably the best tire I have owned for normal highway cruising (up to
130Km/h). I get approximately 10% more kilometers per tank-full of
gas. The tires are also quiter that the OEM Michelins MXV S8s.

 

On Sep 14, 8:14 am, "loewent via CarKB.com" <u10197@uwe> wrote:
> I guess my topne said I thought it was a bad thing.... I guess when I think
> about it, most of the problems I have experienced is due to bad tire quality.
> Shows how many bad tires there are out there I guess.
>
>
>
>
>
> jim beam wrote:
> >> Is it just me, or are Honda's more sensitive to tires being out of balance
> >> than other cars?
>
> >they are more sensitive.
>
> >> Nobody I know has the same issues with their detroit junk or other import
> >> makes. I have made it part of my maintenance ritual every year to get all 4
> >[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> >> do with the suspension setup or maybe designed with less isolation between
> >> the tire and suspension systems?
>
> >both. but you make it sound like it's a problem. i /want/ my car to
> >talk to me. if a wheel is out, i /want/ to know!
>
> >if you don't like that, go buy a buick - you can watch those things
> >rolling down the freeway with an unbalanced front wheel bouncing so
> >badly, it's hardly touching the pavement, yet the steering wheel is
> >steady as a rock. /that/ is a dangerous situation because the slightest
> >brake pressure will lock that wheel as it's not touching the ground
> >properly. and it won't corner properly at speed either. give me a
> >wish-boned honda any day - you'll /never/ be in ignorance of such
> >dangerous defects.
>
> >> t
>
> >[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> >>> Cheers.
>
> --
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>
> - Show quoted text -

Finally, my car vibrations have been resolved. The problem was with
the balancing of tires. This was determined by Toyo Canada. My last
balance was a Road Force Balance at one of the Honda dealerships in
Ontario. The dealership service manager has been contacted, who
subsequently apologized and gave me service credit for the amount of
the balance ($150 CDN). What is interesting about the whole episode is
that 3 Honda FACTORY trained dealerships did not have a clue how to
balance the wheels/tires. The Road Force Balance technician told me
after the service that the vehicle has no vibrations at any speed even
when going over 120Km/h. (He never tested the car after he performed
the work.) My first drive at 120Km/h nearly broke my front suspension.
It was later determined and I have seen it with my own eyes, that some
weights that were installed by Honda delaership made no sense at all.
One weight looked like it was 0.5 lbs, and beside it was another
smaller weight. I usually go for an alignment and balance when I get a
new set of tires, as in this case. Note that Toyo Versado LX is
probably the best tire I have owned for normal highway cruising (up to
130Km/h). I get approximately 10% more kilometers per tank-full of
gas. The tires are also quiter that the OEM Michelins MXV S8s.

 

highkm wrote:
> On Sep 14, 8:14 am, "loewent via CarKB.com" <u10197@uwe> wrote:
>> I guess my topne said I thought it was a bad thing.... I guess when I think
>> about it, most of the problems I have experienced is due to bad tire quality.
>> Shows how many bad tires there are out there I guess.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> jim beam wrote:
>>>> Is it just me, or are Honda's more sensitive to tires being out of balance
>>>> than other cars?
>>> they are more sensitive.
>>>> Nobody I know has the same issues with their detroit junk or other import
>>>> makes. I have made it part of my maintenance ritual every year to get all 4
>>> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>>>> do with the suspension setup or maybe designed with less isolation between
>>>> the tire and suspension systems?
>>> both. but you make it sound like it's a problem. i /want/ my car to
>>> talk to me. if a wheel is out, i /want/ to know!
>>> if you don't like that, go buy a buick - you can watch those things
>>> rolling down the freeway with an unbalanced front wheel bouncing so
>>> badly, it's hardly touching the pavement, yet the steering wheel is
>>> steady as a rock. /that/ is a dangerous situation because the slightest
>>> brake pressure will lock that wheel as it's not touching the ground
>>> properly. and it won't corner properly at speed either. give me a
>>> wish-boned honda any day - you'll /never/ be in ignorance of such
>>> dangerous defects.
>>>> t
>>> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>>>>> Cheers.
>> --
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>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Finally, my car vibrations have been resolved. The problem was with
> the balancing of tires. This was determined by Toyo Canada. My last
> balance was a Road Force Balance at one of the Honda dealerships in
> Ontario. The dealership service manager has been contacted, who
> subsequently apologized and gave me service credit for the amount of
> the balance ($150 CDN). What is interesting about the whole episode is
> that 3 Honda FACTORY trained dealerships did not have a clue how to
> balance the wheels/tires. The Road Force Balance technician told me
> after the service that the vehicle has no vibrations at any speed even
> when going over 120Km/h. (He never tested the car after he performed
> the work.) My first drive at 120Km/h nearly broke my front suspension.
> It was later determined and I have seen it with my own eyes, that some
> weights that were installed by Honda delaership made no sense at all.
> One weight looked like it was 0.5 lbs, and beside it was another
> smaller weight. I usually go for an alignment and balance when I get a
> new set of tires, as in this case. Note that Toyo Versado LX is
> probably the best tire I have owned for normal highway cruising (up to
> 130Km/h). I get approximately 10% more kilometers per tank-full of
> gas. The tires are also quiter that the OEM Michelins MXV S8s.
>
thanks for posting the follow-up - successful resolution is great for
the archives.

 

highkm wrote:
> On Sep 14, 8:14 am, "loewent via CarKB.com" <u10197@uwe> wrote:
>> I guess my topne said I thought it was a bad thing.... I guess when I think
>> about it, most of the problems I have experienced is due to bad tire quality.
>> Shows how many bad tires there are out there I guess.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> jim beam wrote:
>>>> Is it just me, or are Honda's more sensitive to tires being out of balance
>>>> than other cars?
>>> they are more sensitive.
>>>> Nobody I know has the same issues with their detroit junk or other import
>>>> makes. I have made it part of my maintenance ritual every year to get all 4
>>> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>>>> do with the suspension setup or maybe designed with less isolation between
>>>> the tire and suspension systems?
>>> both. but you make it sound like it's a problem. i /want/ my car to
>>> talk to me. if a wheel is out, i /want/ to know!
>>> if you don't like that, go buy a buick - you can watch those things
>>> rolling down the freeway with an unbalanced front wheel bouncing so
>>> badly, it's hardly touching the pavement, yet the steering wheel is
>>> steady as a rock. /that/ is a dangerous situation because the slightest
>>> brake pressure will lock that wheel as it's not touching the ground
>>> properly. and it won't corner properly at speed either. give me a
>>> wish-boned honda any day - you'll /never/ be in ignorance of such
>>> dangerous defects.
>>>> t
>>> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>>>>> Cheers.
>> --
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>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Finally, my car vibrations have been resolved. The problem was with
> the balancing of tires. This was determined by Toyo Canada. My last
> balance was a Road Force Balance at one of the Honda dealerships in
> Ontario. The dealership service manager has been contacted, who
> subsequently apologized and gave me service credit for the amount of
> the balance ($150 CDN). What is interesting about the whole episode is
> that 3 Honda FACTORY trained dealerships did not have a clue how to
> balance the wheels/tires. The Road Force Balance technician told me
> after the service that the vehicle has no vibrations at any speed even
> when going over 120Km/h. (He never tested the car after he performed
> the work.) My first drive at 120Km/h nearly broke my front suspension.
> It was later determined and I have seen it with my own eyes, that some
> weights that were installed by Honda delaership made no sense at all.
> One weight looked like it was 0.5 lbs, and beside it was another
> smaller weight. I usually go for an alignment and balance when I get a
> new set of tires, as in this case. Note that Toyo Versado LX is
> probably the best tire I have owned for normal highway cruising (up to
> 130Km/h). I get approximately 10% more kilometers per tank-full of
> gas. The tires are also quiter that the OEM Michelins MXV S8s.
>
thanks for posting the follow-up - successful resolution is great for
the archives.