Accord Hybrid Experiences?
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Accord Hybrid Experiences?
I test drove an Accord Hybrid and there seemed to be a lot of road noise. (I
was driving a Lexus RX-300, so am I just spoiled?). Also, it didn't seem to
hold the line on the road as well as I remember my old Honda Prelude (1980)
doing.
In addition, the car's battery kept going flat when it was parked in the
dealer's garage (over 3 days). The salesman had to boost it every time I
took it out for a drive. I hope this is not normal.
Otherwise, it seems pretty zippy and the hybrid oddities not distracting.
Any comments, pro or con?
Bob (email is not my real name or address)
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was driving a Lexus RX-300, so am I just spoiled?). Also, it didn't seem to
hold the line on the road as well as I remember my old Honda Prelude (1980)
doing.
In addition, the car's battery kept going flat when it was parked in the
dealer's garage (over 3 days). The salesman had to boost it every time I
took it out for a drive. I hope this is not normal.
Otherwise, it seems pretty zippy and the hybrid oddities not distracting.
Any comments, pro or con?
Bob (email is not my real name or address)
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"Hard work never killed anyone, but why take a chance?"
- Roy, metal worker, American HotRod
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Re: Accord Hybrid Experiences?
In article <MeWdnckYjNXXb87fRVn-uw@magma.ca>, "Arghon Arghowijctz"
<rtmArghon@magmaArghon.ca> wrote:
> I test drove an Accord Hybrid and there seemed to be a lot of road noise. (I
> was driving a Lexus RX-300, so am I just spoiled?). Also, it didn't seem to
> hold the line on the road as well as I remember my old Honda Prelude (1980)
> doing.
>
> In addition, the car's battery kept going flat when it was parked in the
> dealer's garage (over 3 days). The salesman had to boost it every time I
> took it out for a drive. I hope this is not normal.
>
> Otherwise, it seems pretty zippy and the hybrid oddities not distracting.
>
> Any comments, pro or con?
>
> Bob (email is not my real name or address)
I've read that it's not cost effective unless you plan to keep the car for
at least 5 or more years. Of course, this could change if the cost of
gasoline is at $3.00 per gallon or more. It's been a while since I read
the article but seem to recall that it stated that it takes at least 3 or
4 years for the price difference between the hybrid and the non-hybrid 6
cyld accords to be paid off in terms of how much you would save on
gasoline during that time period. These figures were NOT based on $3.00
per gallon gasoline costs.
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<rtmArghon@magmaArghon.ca> wrote:
> I test drove an Accord Hybrid and there seemed to be a lot of road noise. (I
> was driving a Lexus RX-300, so am I just spoiled?). Also, it didn't seem to
> hold the line on the road as well as I remember my old Honda Prelude (1980)
> doing.
>
> In addition, the car's battery kept going flat when it was parked in the
> dealer's garage (over 3 days). The salesman had to boost it every time I
> took it out for a drive. I hope this is not normal.
>
> Otherwise, it seems pretty zippy and the hybrid oddities not distracting.
>
> Any comments, pro or con?
>
> Bob (email is not my real name or address)
I've read that it's not cost effective unless you plan to keep the car for
at least 5 or more years. Of course, this could change if the cost of
gasoline is at $3.00 per gallon or more. It's been a while since I read
the article but seem to recall that it stated that it takes at least 3 or
4 years for the price difference between the hybrid and the non-hybrid 6
cyld accords to be paid off in terms of how much you would save on
gasoline during that time period. These figures were NOT based on $3.00
per gallon gasoline costs.
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Re: Accord Hybrid Experiences?
In article <MeWdnckYjNXXb87fRVn-uw@magma.ca>, "Arghon Arghowijctz"
<rtmArghon@magmaArghon.ca> wrote:
> I test drove an Accord Hybrid and there seemed to be a lot of road noise. (I
> was driving a Lexus RX-300, so am I just spoiled?). Also, it didn't seem to
> hold the line on the road as well as I remember my old Honda Prelude (1980)
> doing.
>
> In addition, the car's battery kept going flat when it was parked in the
> dealer's garage (over 3 days). The salesman had to boost it every time I
> took it out for a drive. I hope this is not normal.
>
> Otherwise, it seems pretty zippy and the hybrid oddities not distracting.
>
> Any comments, pro or con?
>
> Bob (email is not my real name or address)
I've read that it's not cost effective unless you plan to keep the car for
at least 5 or more years. Of course, this could change if the cost of
gasoline is at $3.00 per gallon or more. It's been a while since I read
the article but seem to recall that it stated that it takes at least 3 or
4 years for the price difference between the hybrid and the non-hybrid 6
cyld accords to be paid off in terms of how much you would save on
gasoline during that time period. These figures were NOT based on $3.00
per gallon gasoline costs.
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<rtmArghon@magmaArghon.ca> wrote:
> I test drove an Accord Hybrid and there seemed to be a lot of road noise. (I
> was driving a Lexus RX-300, so am I just spoiled?). Also, it didn't seem to
> hold the line on the road as well as I remember my old Honda Prelude (1980)
> doing.
>
> In addition, the car's battery kept going flat when it was parked in the
> dealer's garage (over 3 days). The salesman had to boost it every time I
> took it out for a drive. I hope this is not normal.
>
> Otherwise, it seems pretty zippy and the hybrid oddities not distracting.
>
> Any comments, pro or con?
>
> Bob (email is not my real name or address)
I've read that it's not cost effective unless you plan to keep the car for
at least 5 or more years. Of course, this could change if the cost of
gasoline is at $3.00 per gallon or more. It's been a while since I read
the article but seem to recall that it stated that it takes at least 3 or
4 years for the price difference between the hybrid and the non-hybrid 6
cyld accords to be paid off in terms of how much you would save on
gasoline during that time period. These figures were NOT based on $3.00
per gallon gasoline costs.
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Re: Accord Hybrid Experiences?
According to latest Consumer Report, the Accord Hybrid is only 1mpg better
than the 4 cyl version in mix driving and 2 mpg for 6cyl. I do not think
anyone who buys hybrid vehicle ever thinking about saving gas. They just
want to show off .
My 4cyl version of accord is PZEV rated in CA which is not that bad when we
talk about environmental.
"Jason" <jason@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> In article <MeWdnckYjNXXb87fRVn-uw@magma.ca>, "Arghon Arghowijctz"
> <rtmArghon@magmaArghon.ca> wrote:
>
> > I test drove an Accord Hybrid and there seemed to be a lot of road
noise. (I
> > was driving a Lexus RX-300, so am I just spoiled?). Also, it didn't seem
to
> > hold the line on the road as well as I remember my old Honda Prelude
(1980)
> > doing.
> >
> > In addition, the car's battery kept going flat when it was parked in the
> > dealer's garage (over 3 days). The salesman had to boost it every time I
> > took it out for a drive. I hope this is not normal.
> >
> > Otherwise, it seems pretty zippy and the hybrid oddities not
distracting.
> >
> > Any comments, pro or con?
> >
> > Bob (email is not my real name or address)
>
> I've read that it's not cost effective unless you plan to keep the car for
> at least 5 or more years. Of course, this could change if the cost of
> gasoline is at $3.00 per gallon or more. It's been a while since I read
> the article but seem to recall that it stated that it takes at least 3 or
> 4 years for the price difference between the hybrid and the non-hybrid 6
> cyld accords to be paid off in terms of how much you would save on
> gasoline during that time period. These figures were NOT based on $3.00
> per gallon gasoline costs.
>
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than the 4 cyl version in mix driving and 2 mpg for 6cyl. I do not think
anyone who buys hybrid vehicle ever thinking about saving gas. They just
want to show off .
My 4cyl version of accord is PZEV rated in CA which is not that bad when we
talk about environmental.
"Jason" <jason@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> In article <MeWdnckYjNXXb87fRVn-uw@magma.ca>, "Arghon Arghowijctz"
> <rtmArghon@magmaArghon.ca> wrote:
>
> > I test drove an Accord Hybrid and there seemed to be a lot of road
noise. (I
> > was driving a Lexus RX-300, so am I just spoiled?). Also, it didn't seem
to
> > hold the line on the road as well as I remember my old Honda Prelude
(1980)
> > doing.
> >
> > In addition, the car's battery kept going flat when it was parked in the
> > dealer's garage (over 3 days). The salesman had to boost it every time I
> > took it out for a drive. I hope this is not normal.
> >
> > Otherwise, it seems pretty zippy and the hybrid oddities not
distracting.
> >
> > Any comments, pro or con?
> >
> > Bob (email is not my real name or address)
>
> I've read that it's not cost effective unless you plan to keep the car for
> at least 5 or more years. Of course, this could change if the cost of
> gasoline is at $3.00 per gallon or more. It's been a while since I read
> the article but seem to recall that it stated that it takes at least 3 or
> 4 years for the price difference between the hybrid and the non-hybrid 6
> cyld accords to be paid off in terms of how much you would save on
> gasoline during that time period. These figures were NOT based on $3.00
> per gallon gasoline costs.
>
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Re: Accord Hybrid Experiences?
According to latest Consumer Report, the Accord Hybrid is only 1mpg better
than the 4 cyl version in mix driving and 2 mpg for 6cyl. I do not think
anyone who buys hybrid vehicle ever thinking about saving gas. They just
want to show off .
My 4cyl version of accord is PZEV rated in CA which is not that bad when we
talk about environmental.
"Jason" <jason@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> In article <MeWdnckYjNXXb87fRVn-uw@magma.ca>, "Arghon Arghowijctz"
> <rtmArghon@magmaArghon.ca> wrote:
>
> > I test drove an Accord Hybrid and there seemed to be a lot of road
noise. (I
> > was driving a Lexus RX-300, so am I just spoiled?). Also, it didn't seem
to
> > hold the line on the road as well as I remember my old Honda Prelude
(1980)
> > doing.
> >
> > In addition, the car's battery kept going flat when it was parked in the
> > dealer's garage (over 3 days). The salesman had to boost it every time I
> > took it out for a drive. I hope this is not normal.
> >
> > Otherwise, it seems pretty zippy and the hybrid oddities not
distracting.
> >
> > Any comments, pro or con?
> >
> > Bob (email is not my real name or address)
>
> I've read that it's not cost effective unless you plan to keep the car for
> at least 5 or more years. Of course, this could change if the cost of
> gasoline is at $3.00 per gallon or more. It's been a while since I read
> the article but seem to recall that it stated that it takes at least 3 or
> 4 years for the price difference between the hybrid and the non-hybrid 6
> cyld accords to be paid off in terms of how much you would save on
> gasoline during that time period. These figures were NOT based on $3.00
> per gallon gasoline costs.
>
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than the 4 cyl version in mix driving and 2 mpg for 6cyl. I do not think
anyone who buys hybrid vehicle ever thinking about saving gas. They just
want to show off .
My 4cyl version of accord is PZEV rated in CA which is not that bad when we
talk about environmental.
"Jason" <jason@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:jason-0604050841250001@pm1-broad-93.snlo.dialup.fix.net...
> In article <MeWdnckYjNXXb87fRVn-uw@magma.ca>, "Arghon Arghowijctz"
> <rtmArghon@magmaArghon.ca> wrote:
>
> > I test drove an Accord Hybrid and there seemed to be a lot of road
noise. (I
> > was driving a Lexus RX-300, so am I just spoiled?). Also, it didn't seem
to
> > hold the line on the road as well as I remember my old Honda Prelude
(1980)
> > doing.
> >
> > In addition, the car's battery kept going flat when it was parked in the
> > dealer's garage (over 3 days). The salesman had to boost it every time I
> > took it out for a drive. I hope this is not normal.
> >
> > Otherwise, it seems pretty zippy and the hybrid oddities not
distracting.
> >
> > Any comments, pro or con?
> >
> > Bob (email is not my real name or address)
>
> I've read that it's not cost effective unless you plan to keep the car for
> at least 5 or more years. Of course, this could change if the cost of
> gasoline is at $3.00 per gallon or more. It's been a while since I read
> the article but seem to recall that it stated that it takes at least 3 or
> 4 years for the price difference between the hybrid and the non-hybrid 6
> cyld accords to be paid off in terms of how much you would save on
> gasoline during that time period. These figures were NOT based on $3.00
> per gallon gasoline costs.
>
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Re: Accord Hybrid Experiences?
Nick,
Great point. Hybrid vehicles only get great milage when the drivers follow
lots of the the recommendations related to saving gas. After I read those
recommendations, I decided NOT to buy a hybrid vehicle--it would take all
the fun out of driving and make it like a job.
In article <w5V4e.19371$zl.9788@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com> , "Nick"
<DONOTSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:
> According to latest Consumer Report, the Accord Hybrid is only 1mpg better
> than the 4 cyl version in mix driving and 2 mpg for 6cyl. I do not think
> anyone who buys hybrid vehicle ever thinking about saving gas. They just
> want to show off .
>
> My 4cyl version of accord is PZEV rated in CA which is not that bad when we
> talk about environmental.
>
>
>
> "Jason" <jason@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:jason-0604050841250001@pm1-broad-93.snlo.dialup.fix.net...
> > In article <MeWdnckYjNXXb87fRVn-uw@magma.ca>, "Arghon Arghowijctz"
> > <rtmArghon@magmaArghon.ca> wrote:
> >
> > > I test drove an Accord Hybrid and there seemed to be a lot of road
> noise. (I
> > > was driving a Lexus RX-300, so am I just spoiled?). Also, it didn't seem
> to
> > > hold the line on the road as well as I remember my old Honda Prelude
> (1980)
> > > doing.
> > >
> > > In addition, the car's battery kept going flat when it was parked in the
> > > dealer's garage (over 3 days). The salesman had to boost it every time I
> > > took it out for a drive. I hope this is not normal.
> > >
> > > Otherwise, it seems pretty zippy and the hybrid oddities not
> distracting.
> > >
> > > Any comments, pro or con?
> > >
> > > Bob (email is not my real name or address)
> >
> > I've read that it's not cost effective unless you plan to keep the car for
> > at least 5 or more years. Of course, this could change if the cost of
> > gasoline is at $3.00 per gallon or more. It's been a while since I read
> > the article but seem to recall that it stated that it takes at least 3 or
> > 4 years for the price difference between the hybrid and the non-hybrid 6
> > cyld accords to be paid off in terms of how much you would save on
> > gasoline during that time period. These figures were NOT based on $3.00
> > per gallon gasoline costs.
> >
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Great point. Hybrid vehicles only get great milage when the drivers follow
lots of the the recommendations related to saving gas. After I read those
recommendations, I decided NOT to buy a hybrid vehicle--it would take all
the fun out of driving and make it like a job.
In article <w5V4e.19371$zl.9788@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com> , "Nick"
<DONOTSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:
> According to latest Consumer Report, the Accord Hybrid is only 1mpg better
> than the 4 cyl version in mix driving and 2 mpg for 6cyl. I do not think
> anyone who buys hybrid vehicle ever thinking about saving gas. They just
> want to show off .
>
> My 4cyl version of accord is PZEV rated in CA which is not that bad when we
> talk about environmental.
>
>
>
> "Jason" <jason@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:jason-0604050841250001@pm1-broad-93.snlo.dialup.fix.net...
> > In article <MeWdnckYjNXXb87fRVn-uw@magma.ca>, "Arghon Arghowijctz"
> > <rtmArghon@magmaArghon.ca> wrote:
> >
> > > I test drove an Accord Hybrid and there seemed to be a lot of road
> noise. (I
> > > was driving a Lexus RX-300, so am I just spoiled?). Also, it didn't seem
> to
> > > hold the line on the road as well as I remember my old Honda Prelude
> (1980)
> > > doing.
> > >
> > > In addition, the car's battery kept going flat when it was parked in the
> > > dealer's garage (over 3 days). The salesman had to boost it every time I
> > > took it out for a drive. I hope this is not normal.
> > >
> > > Otherwise, it seems pretty zippy and the hybrid oddities not
> distracting.
> > >
> > > Any comments, pro or con?
> > >
> > > Bob (email is not my real name or address)
> >
> > I've read that it's not cost effective unless you plan to keep the car for
> > at least 5 or more years. Of course, this could change if the cost of
> > gasoline is at $3.00 per gallon or more. It's been a while since I read
> > the article but seem to recall that it stated that it takes at least 3 or
> > 4 years for the price difference between the hybrid and the non-hybrid 6
> > cyld accords to be paid off in terms of how much you would save on
> > gasoline during that time period. These figures were NOT based on $3.00
> > per gallon gasoline costs.
> >
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Re: Accord Hybrid Experiences?
Nick,
Great point. Hybrid vehicles only get great milage when the drivers follow
lots of the the recommendations related to saving gas. After I read those
recommendations, I decided NOT to buy a hybrid vehicle--it would take all
the fun out of driving and make it like a job.
In article <w5V4e.19371$zl.9788@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com> , "Nick"
<DONOTSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:
> According to latest Consumer Report, the Accord Hybrid is only 1mpg better
> than the 4 cyl version in mix driving and 2 mpg for 6cyl. I do not think
> anyone who buys hybrid vehicle ever thinking about saving gas. They just
> want to show off .
>
> My 4cyl version of accord is PZEV rated in CA which is not that bad when we
> talk about environmental.
>
>
>
> "Jason" <jason@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:jason-0604050841250001@pm1-broad-93.snlo.dialup.fix.net...
> > In article <MeWdnckYjNXXb87fRVn-uw@magma.ca>, "Arghon Arghowijctz"
> > <rtmArghon@magmaArghon.ca> wrote:
> >
> > > I test drove an Accord Hybrid and there seemed to be a lot of road
> noise. (I
> > > was driving a Lexus RX-300, so am I just spoiled?). Also, it didn't seem
> to
> > > hold the line on the road as well as I remember my old Honda Prelude
> (1980)
> > > doing.
> > >
> > > In addition, the car's battery kept going flat when it was parked in the
> > > dealer's garage (over 3 days). The salesman had to boost it every time I
> > > took it out for a drive. I hope this is not normal.
> > >
> > > Otherwise, it seems pretty zippy and the hybrid oddities not
> distracting.
> > >
> > > Any comments, pro or con?
> > >
> > > Bob (email is not my real name or address)
> >
> > I've read that it's not cost effective unless you plan to keep the car for
> > at least 5 or more years. Of course, this could change if the cost of
> > gasoline is at $3.00 per gallon or more. It's been a while since I read
> > the article but seem to recall that it stated that it takes at least 3 or
> > 4 years for the price difference between the hybrid and the non-hybrid 6
> > cyld accords to be paid off in terms of how much you would save on
> > gasoline during that time period. These figures were NOT based on $3.00
> > per gallon gasoline costs.
> >
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Great point. Hybrid vehicles only get great milage when the drivers follow
lots of the the recommendations related to saving gas. After I read those
recommendations, I decided NOT to buy a hybrid vehicle--it would take all
the fun out of driving and make it like a job.
In article <w5V4e.19371$zl.9788@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com> , "Nick"
<DONOTSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:
> According to latest Consumer Report, the Accord Hybrid is only 1mpg better
> than the 4 cyl version in mix driving and 2 mpg for 6cyl. I do not think
> anyone who buys hybrid vehicle ever thinking about saving gas. They just
> want to show off .
>
> My 4cyl version of accord is PZEV rated in CA which is not that bad when we
> talk about environmental.
>
>
>
> "Jason" <jason@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:jason-0604050841250001@pm1-broad-93.snlo.dialup.fix.net...
> > In article <MeWdnckYjNXXb87fRVn-uw@magma.ca>, "Arghon Arghowijctz"
> > <rtmArghon@magmaArghon.ca> wrote:
> >
> > > I test drove an Accord Hybrid and there seemed to be a lot of road
> noise. (I
> > > was driving a Lexus RX-300, so am I just spoiled?). Also, it didn't seem
> to
> > > hold the line on the road as well as I remember my old Honda Prelude
> (1980)
> > > doing.
> > >
> > > In addition, the car's battery kept going flat when it was parked in the
> > > dealer's garage (over 3 days). The salesman had to boost it every time I
> > > took it out for a drive. I hope this is not normal.
> > >
> > > Otherwise, it seems pretty zippy and the hybrid oddities not
> distracting.
> > >
> > > Any comments, pro or con?
> > >
> > > Bob (email is not my real name or address)
> >
> > I've read that it's not cost effective unless you plan to keep the car for
> > at least 5 or more years. Of course, this could change if the cost of
> > gasoline is at $3.00 per gallon or more. It's been a while since I read
> > the article but seem to recall that it stated that it takes at least 3 or
> > 4 years for the price difference between the hybrid and the non-hybrid 6
> > cyld accords to be paid off in terms of how much you would save on
> > gasoline during that time period. These figures were NOT based on $3.00
> > per gallon gasoline costs.
> >
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