Accord 4 cylinder freeway driving
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Re: Accord 4 cylinder freeway driving
On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 03:46:16 GMT, Nobody <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>I'm going to ask a stupid question here...what does vehicle velocity (as
>opposed to engine RPM) have to do with a head gasket?
I'm going to guess that it's a matter of running the engine at full
power on a long gear putting maximum stress on everything, which is
tough enough on Indy cars and not really what street cars are designed
to do.
J.
>I'm going to ask a stupid question here...what does vehicle velocity (as
>opposed to engine RPM) have to do with a head gasket?
I'm going to guess that it's a matter of running the engine at full
power on a long gear putting maximum stress on everything, which is
tough enough on Indy cars and not really what street cars are designed
to do.
J.
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Re: Accord 4 cylinder freeway driving
On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 03:46:16 GMT, Nobody <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>I'm going to ask a stupid question here...what does vehicle velocity (as
>opposed to engine RPM) have to do with a head gasket?
I'm going to guess that it's a matter of running the engine at full
power on a long gear putting maximum stress on everything, which is
tough enough on Indy cars and not really what street cars are designed
to do.
J.
>I'm going to ask a stupid question here...what does vehicle velocity (as
>opposed to engine RPM) have to do with a head gasket?
I'm going to guess that it's a matter of running the engine at full
power on a long gear putting maximum stress on everything, which is
tough enough on Indy cars and not really what street cars are designed
to do.
J.
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Re: Accord 4 cylinder freeway driving
On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 03:46:16 GMT, Nobody <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>I'm going to ask a stupid question here...what does vehicle velocity (as
>opposed to engine RPM) have to do with a head gasket?
I'm going to guess that it's a matter of running the engine at full
power on a long gear putting maximum stress on everything, which is
tough enough on Indy cars and not really what street cars are designed
to do.
J.
>I'm going to ask a stupid question here...what does vehicle velocity (as
>opposed to engine RPM) have to do with a head gasket?
I'm going to guess that it's a matter of running the engine at full
power on a long gear putting maximum stress on everything, which is
tough enough on Indy cars and not really what street cars are designed
to do.
J.
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Re: Accord 4 cylinder freeway driving
On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 03:46:16 GMT, Nobody <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>I'm going to ask a stupid question here...what does vehicle velocity (as
>opposed to engine RPM) have to do with a head gasket?
I'm going to guess that it's a matter of running the engine at full
power on a long gear putting maximum stress on everything, which is
tough enough on Indy cars and not really what street cars are designed
to do.
J.
>I'm going to ask a stupid question here...what does vehicle velocity (as
>opposed to engine RPM) have to do with a head gasket?
I'm going to guess that it's a matter of running the engine at full
power on a long gear putting maximum stress on everything, which is
tough enough on Indy cars and not really what street cars are designed
to do.
J.
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Re: Accord 4 cylinder freeway driving
"JXStern" <JXSternChangeX2R@gte.net> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 03:46:16 GMT, Nobody <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
> >I'm going to ask a stupid question here...what does vehicle velocity (as
> >opposed to engine RPM) have to do with a head gasket?
>
> I'm going to guess that it's a matter of running the engine at full
> power on a long gear putting maximum stress on everything, which is
> tough enough on Indy cars and not really what street cars are designed
> to do.
I'd think the Honda engines would handle it, though. Shoot, the
ubiquitous 2.2L engine that Chrysler put into millions of vehicles back in
the 80's would handle 24 hours straight of average speeds well in excess of
100mph. You won't be able to do that on any roads that I know of, unless
you're just running back and forth on the Autobahn for 24 hours and happen
to have no traffic....
news:045ltv4qgdjuif5ptpqakersk1ebi3lntk@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 03:46:16 GMT, Nobody <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
> >I'm going to ask a stupid question here...what does vehicle velocity (as
> >opposed to engine RPM) have to do with a head gasket?
>
> I'm going to guess that it's a matter of running the engine at full
> power on a long gear putting maximum stress on everything, which is
> tough enough on Indy cars and not really what street cars are designed
> to do.
I'd think the Honda engines would handle it, though. Shoot, the
ubiquitous 2.2L engine that Chrysler put into millions of vehicles back in
the 80's would handle 24 hours straight of average speeds well in excess of
100mph. You won't be able to do that on any roads that I know of, unless
you're just running back and forth on the Autobahn for 24 hours and happen
to have no traffic....
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Re: Accord 4 cylinder freeway driving
"JXStern" <JXSternChangeX2R@gte.net> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 03:46:16 GMT, Nobody <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
> >I'm going to ask a stupid question here...what does vehicle velocity (as
> >opposed to engine RPM) have to do with a head gasket?
>
> I'm going to guess that it's a matter of running the engine at full
> power on a long gear putting maximum stress on everything, which is
> tough enough on Indy cars and not really what street cars are designed
> to do.
I'd think the Honda engines would handle it, though. Shoot, the
ubiquitous 2.2L engine that Chrysler put into millions of vehicles back in
the 80's would handle 24 hours straight of average speeds well in excess of
100mph. You won't be able to do that on any roads that I know of, unless
you're just running back and forth on the Autobahn for 24 hours and happen
to have no traffic....
news:045ltv4qgdjuif5ptpqakersk1ebi3lntk@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 03:46:16 GMT, Nobody <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
> >I'm going to ask a stupid question here...what does vehicle velocity (as
> >opposed to engine RPM) have to do with a head gasket?
>
> I'm going to guess that it's a matter of running the engine at full
> power on a long gear putting maximum stress on everything, which is
> tough enough on Indy cars and not really what street cars are designed
> to do.
I'd think the Honda engines would handle it, though. Shoot, the
ubiquitous 2.2L engine that Chrysler put into millions of vehicles back in
the 80's would handle 24 hours straight of average speeds well in excess of
100mph. You won't be able to do that on any roads that I know of, unless
you're just running back and forth on the Autobahn for 24 hours and happen
to have no traffic....
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Re: Accord 4 cylinder freeway driving
"JXStern" <JXSternChangeX2R@gte.net> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 03:46:16 GMT, Nobody <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
> >I'm going to ask a stupid question here...what does vehicle velocity (as
> >opposed to engine RPM) have to do with a head gasket?
>
> I'm going to guess that it's a matter of running the engine at full
> power on a long gear putting maximum stress on everything, which is
> tough enough on Indy cars and not really what street cars are designed
> to do.
I'd think the Honda engines would handle it, though. Shoot, the
ubiquitous 2.2L engine that Chrysler put into millions of vehicles back in
the 80's would handle 24 hours straight of average speeds well in excess of
100mph. You won't be able to do that on any roads that I know of, unless
you're just running back and forth on the Autobahn for 24 hours and happen
to have no traffic....
news:045ltv4qgdjuif5ptpqakersk1ebi3lntk@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 03:46:16 GMT, Nobody <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
> >I'm going to ask a stupid question here...what does vehicle velocity (as
> >opposed to engine RPM) have to do with a head gasket?
>
> I'm going to guess that it's a matter of running the engine at full
> power on a long gear putting maximum stress on everything, which is
> tough enough on Indy cars and not really what street cars are designed
> to do.
I'd think the Honda engines would handle it, though. Shoot, the
ubiquitous 2.2L engine that Chrysler put into millions of vehicles back in
the 80's would handle 24 hours straight of average speeds well in excess of
100mph. You won't be able to do that on any roads that I know of, unless
you're just running back and forth on the Autobahn for 24 hours and happen
to have no traffic....
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Re: Accord 4 cylinder freeway driving
"JXStern" <JXSternChangeX2R@gte.net> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 03:46:16 GMT, Nobody <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
> >I'm going to ask a stupid question here...what does vehicle velocity (as
> >opposed to engine RPM) have to do with a head gasket?
>
> I'm going to guess that it's a matter of running the engine at full
> power on a long gear putting maximum stress on everything, which is
> tough enough on Indy cars and not really what street cars are designed
> to do.
I'd think the Honda engines would handle it, though. Shoot, the
ubiquitous 2.2L engine that Chrysler put into millions of vehicles back in
the 80's would handle 24 hours straight of average speeds well in excess of
100mph. You won't be able to do that on any roads that I know of, unless
you're just running back and forth on the Autobahn for 24 hours and happen
to have no traffic....
news:045ltv4qgdjuif5ptpqakersk1ebi3lntk@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 03:46:16 GMT, Nobody <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
> >I'm going to ask a stupid question here...what does vehicle velocity (as
> >opposed to engine RPM) have to do with a head gasket?
>
> I'm going to guess that it's a matter of running the engine at full
> power on a long gear putting maximum stress on everything, which is
> tough enough on Indy cars and not really what street cars are designed
> to do.
I'd think the Honda engines would handle it, though. Shoot, the
ubiquitous 2.2L engine that Chrysler put into millions of vehicles back in
the 80's would handle 24 hours straight of average speeds well in excess of
100mph. You won't be able to do that on any roads that I know of, unless
you're just running back and forth on the Autobahn for 24 hours and happen
to have no traffic....
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Re: Accord 4 cylinder freeway driving
On 12/13/03 8:38, in article ovFCb.4862$5Q6.1317@okepread04, "mrdancer"
<mrdancer@hotmail.dotcom> wrote:
> "JXStern" <JXSternChangeX2R@gte.net> wrote in message
> news:045ltv4qgdjuif5ptpqakersk1ebi3lntk@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 03:46:16 GMT, Nobody <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>> I'm going to ask a stupid question here...what does vehicle velocity (as
>>> opposed to engine RPM) have to do with a head gasket?
>>
>> I'm going to guess that it's a matter of running the engine at full
>> power on a long gear putting maximum stress on everything, which is
>> tough enough on Indy cars and not really what street cars are designed
>> to do.
>
> I'd think the Honda engines would handle it, though. Shoot, the
> ubiquitous 2.2L engine that Chrysler put into millions of vehicles back in
> the 80's would handle 24 hours straight of average speeds well in excess of
> 100mph. You won't be able to do that on any roads that I know of, unless
> you're just running back and forth on the Autobahn for 24 hours and happen
> to have no traffic....
>
>
Isn't that Chrysler 2.2L the same engine that is always blowing a rich,
black plume of smoke out of nearly every late 80s Caravan still on the road?
Or did they have something different in them?
<mrdancer@hotmail.dotcom> wrote:
> "JXStern" <JXSternChangeX2R@gte.net> wrote in message
> news:045ltv4qgdjuif5ptpqakersk1ebi3lntk@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 03:46:16 GMT, Nobody <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>> I'm going to ask a stupid question here...what does vehicle velocity (as
>>> opposed to engine RPM) have to do with a head gasket?
>>
>> I'm going to guess that it's a matter of running the engine at full
>> power on a long gear putting maximum stress on everything, which is
>> tough enough on Indy cars and not really what street cars are designed
>> to do.
>
> I'd think the Honda engines would handle it, though. Shoot, the
> ubiquitous 2.2L engine that Chrysler put into millions of vehicles back in
> the 80's would handle 24 hours straight of average speeds well in excess of
> 100mph. You won't be able to do that on any roads that I know of, unless
> you're just running back and forth on the Autobahn for 24 hours and happen
> to have no traffic....
>
>
Isn't that Chrysler 2.2L the same engine that is always blowing a rich,
black plume of smoke out of nearly every late 80s Caravan still on the road?
Or did they have something different in them?
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Re: Accord 4 cylinder freeway driving
On 12/13/03 8:38, in article ovFCb.4862$5Q6.1317@okepread04, "mrdancer"
<mrdancer@hotmail.dotcom> wrote:
> "JXStern" <JXSternChangeX2R@gte.net> wrote in message
> news:045ltv4qgdjuif5ptpqakersk1ebi3lntk@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 03:46:16 GMT, Nobody <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>> I'm going to ask a stupid question here...what does vehicle velocity (as
>>> opposed to engine RPM) have to do with a head gasket?
>>
>> I'm going to guess that it's a matter of running the engine at full
>> power on a long gear putting maximum stress on everything, which is
>> tough enough on Indy cars and not really what street cars are designed
>> to do.
>
> I'd think the Honda engines would handle it, though. Shoot, the
> ubiquitous 2.2L engine that Chrysler put into millions of vehicles back in
> the 80's would handle 24 hours straight of average speeds well in excess of
> 100mph. You won't be able to do that on any roads that I know of, unless
> you're just running back and forth on the Autobahn for 24 hours and happen
> to have no traffic....
>
>
Isn't that Chrysler 2.2L the same engine that is always blowing a rich,
black plume of smoke out of nearly every late 80s Caravan still on the road?
Or did they have something different in them?
<mrdancer@hotmail.dotcom> wrote:
> "JXStern" <JXSternChangeX2R@gte.net> wrote in message
> news:045ltv4qgdjuif5ptpqakersk1ebi3lntk@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 03:46:16 GMT, Nobody <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>> I'm going to ask a stupid question here...what does vehicle velocity (as
>>> opposed to engine RPM) have to do with a head gasket?
>>
>> I'm going to guess that it's a matter of running the engine at full
>> power on a long gear putting maximum stress on everything, which is
>> tough enough on Indy cars and not really what street cars are designed
>> to do.
>
> I'd think the Honda engines would handle it, though. Shoot, the
> ubiquitous 2.2L engine that Chrysler put into millions of vehicles back in
> the 80's would handle 24 hours straight of average speeds well in excess of
> 100mph. You won't be able to do that on any roads that I know of, unless
> you're just running back and forth on the Autobahn for 24 hours and happen
> to have no traffic....
>
>
Isn't that Chrysler 2.2L the same engine that is always blowing a rich,
black plume of smoke out of nearly every late 80s Caravan still on the road?
Or did they have something different in them?
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Re: Accord 4 cylinder freeway driving
On 12/13/03 8:38, in article ovFCb.4862$5Q6.1317@okepread04, "mrdancer"
<mrdancer@hotmail.dotcom> wrote:
> "JXStern" <JXSternChangeX2R@gte.net> wrote in message
> news:045ltv4qgdjuif5ptpqakersk1ebi3lntk@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 03:46:16 GMT, Nobody <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>> I'm going to ask a stupid question here...what does vehicle velocity (as
>>> opposed to engine RPM) have to do with a head gasket?
>>
>> I'm going to guess that it's a matter of running the engine at full
>> power on a long gear putting maximum stress on everything, which is
>> tough enough on Indy cars and not really what street cars are designed
>> to do.
>
> I'd think the Honda engines would handle it, though. Shoot, the
> ubiquitous 2.2L engine that Chrysler put into millions of vehicles back in
> the 80's would handle 24 hours straight of average speeds well in excess of
> 100mph. You won't be able to do that on any roads that I know of, unless
> you're just running back and forth on the Autobahn for 24 hours and happen
> to have no traffic....
>
>
Isn't that Chrysler 2.2L the same engine that is always blowing a rich,
black plume of smoke out of nearly every late 80s Caravan still on the road?
Or did they have something different in them?
<mrdancer@hotmail.dotcom> wrote:
> "JXStern" <JXSternChangeX2R@gte.net> wrote in message
> news:045ltv4qgdjuif5ptpqakersk1ebi3lntk@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 03:46:16 GMT, Nobody <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>> I'm going to ask a stupid question here...what does vehicle velocity (as
>>> opposed to engine RPM) have to do with a head gasket?
>>
>> I'm going to guess that it's a matter of running the engine at full
>> power on a long gear putting maximum stress on everything, which is
>> tough enough on Indy cars and not really what street cars are designed
>> to do.
>
> I'd think the Honda engines would handle it, though. Shoot, the
> ubiquitous 2.2L engine that Chrysler put into millions of vehicles back in
> the 80's would handle 24 hours straight of average speeds well in excess of
> 100mph. You won't be able to do that on any roads that I know of, unless
> you're just running back and forth on the Autobahn for 24 hours and happen
> to have no traffic....
>
>
Isn't that Chrysler 2.2L the same engine that is always blowing a rich,
black plume of smoke out of nearly every late 80s Caravan still on the road?
Or did they have something different in them?
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Re: Accord 4 cylinder freeway driving
On 12/13/03 8:38, in article ovFCb.4862$5Q6.1317@okepread04, "mrdancer"
<mrdancer@hotmail.dotcom> wrote:
> "JXStern" <JXSternChangeX2R@gte.net> wrote in message
> news:045ltv4qgdjuif5ptpqakersk1ebi3lntk@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 03:46:16 GMT, Nobody <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>> I'm going to ask a stupid question here...what does vehicle velocity (as
>>> opposed to engine RPM) have to do with a head gasket?
>>
>> I'm going to guess that it's a matter of running the engine at full
>> power on a long gear putting maximum stress on everything, which is
>> tough enough on Indy cars and not really what street cars are designed
>> to do.
>
> I'd think the Honda engines would handle it, though. Shoot, the
> ubiquitous 2.2L engine that Chrysler put into millions of vehicles back in
> the 80's would handle 24 hours straight of average speeds well in excess of
> 100mph. You won't be able to do that on any roads that I know of, unless
> you're just running back and forth on the Autobahn for 24 hours and happen
> to have no traffic....
>
>
Isn't that Chrysler 2.2L the same engine that is always blowing a rich,
black plume of smoke out of nearly every late 80s Caravan still on the road?
Or did they have something different in them?
<mrdancer@hotmail.dotcom> wrote:
> "JXStern" <JXSternChangeX2R@gte.net> wrote in message
> news:045ltv4qgdjuif5ptpqakersk1ebi3lntk@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 03:46:16 GMT, Nobody <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>> I'm going to ask a stupid question here...what does vehicle velocity (as
>>> opposed to engine RPM) have to do with a head gasket?
>>
>> I'm going to guess that it's a matter of running the engine at full
>> power on a long gear putting maximum stress on everything, which is
>> tough enough on Indy cars and not really what street cars are designed
>> to do.
>
> I'd think the Honda engines would handle it, though. Shoot, the
> ubiquitous 2.2L engine that Chrysler put into millions of vehicles back in
> the 80's would handle 24 hours straight of average speeds well in excess of
> 100mph. You won't be able to do that on any roads that I know of, unless
> you're just running back and forth on the Autobahn for 24 hours and happen
> to have no traffic....
>
>
Isn't that Chrysler 2.2L the same engine that is always blowing a rich,
black plume of smoke out of nearly every late 80s Caravan still on the road?
Or did they have something different in them?
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Re: Accord 4 cylinder freeway driving
"Jason Faas" <jpfaasNOSPAM@neb.rr.com> writes:
> <mrdancer@hotmail.dotcom> wrote:
>
>> I'd think the Honda engines would handle it, though. Shoot, the
>> ubiquitous 2.2L engine that Chrysler put into millions of vehicles back
>> in the 80's would handle 24 hours straight of average speeds well in
>> excess of 100mph. You won't be able to do that on any roads that I
>> know of, unless you're just running back and forth on the Autobahn for
>> 24 hours and happen to have no traffic....
>
> Isn't that Chrysler 2.2L the same engine that is always blowing a rich,
> black plume of smoke out of nearly every late 80s Caravan still on the
> road? Or did they have something different in them?
Hey, they're not broken down though, are they?
> <mrdancer@hotmail.dotcom> wrote:
>
>> I'd think the Honda engines would handle it, though. Shoot, the
>> ubiquitous 2.2L engine that Chrysler put into millions of vehicles back
>> in the 80's would handle 24 hours straight of average speeds well in
>> excess of 100mph. You won't be able to do that on any roads that I
>> know of, unless you're just running back and forth on the Autobahn for
>> 24 hours and happen to have no traffic....
>
> Isn't that Chrysler 2.2L the same engine that is always blowing a rich,
> black plume of smoke out of nearly every late 80s Caravan still on the
> road? Or did they have something different in them?
Hey, they're not broken down though, are they?
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Re: Accord 4 cylinder freeway driving
"Jason Faas" <jpfaasNOSPAM@neb.rr.com> writes:
> <mrdancer@hotmail.dotcom> wrote:
>
>> I'd think the Honda engines would handle it, though. Shoot, the
>> ubiquitous 2.2L engine that Chrysler put into millions of vehicles back
>> in the 80's would handle 24 hours straight of average speeds well in
>> excess of 100mph. You won't be able to do that on any roads that I
>> know of, unless you're just running back and forth on the Autobahn for
>> 24 hours and happen to have no traffic....
>
> Isn't that Chrysler 2.2L the same engine that is always blowing a rich,
> black plume of smoke out of nearly every late 80s Caravan still on the
> road? Or did they have something different in them?
Hey, they're not broken down though, are they?
> <mrdancer@hotmail.dotcom> wrote:
>
>> I'd think the Honda engines would handle it, though. Shoot, the
>> ubiquitous 2.2L engine that Chrysler put into millions of vehicles back
>> in the 80's would handle 24 hours straight of average speeds well in
>> excess of 100mph. You won't be able to do that on any roads that I
>> know of, unless you're just running back and forth on the Autobahn for
>> 24 hours and happen to have no traffic....
>
> Isn't that Chrysler 2.2L the same engine that is always blowing a rich,
> black plume of smoke out of nearly every late 80s Caravan still on the
> road? Or did they have something different in them?
Hey, they're not broken down though, are they?
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Re: Accord 4 cylinder freeway driving
"Jason Faas" <jpfaasNOSPAM@neb.rr.com> writes:
> <mrdancer@hotmail.dotcom> wrote:
>
>> I'd think the Honda engines would handle it, though. Shoot, the
>> ubiquitous 2.2L engine that Chrysler put into millions of vehicles back
>> in the 80's would handle 24 hours straight of average speeds well in
>> excess of 100mph. You won't be able to do that on any roads that I
>> know of, unless you're just running back and forth on the Autobahn for
>> 24 hours and happen to have no traffic....
>
> Isn't that Chrysler 2.2L the same engine that is always blowing a rich,
> black plume of smoke out of nearly every late 80s Caravan still on the
> road? Or did they have something different in them?
Hey, they're not broken down though, are they?
> <mrdancer@hotmail.dotcom> wrote:
>
>> I'd think the Honda engines would handle it, though. Shoot, the
>> ubiquitous 2.2L engine that Chrysler put into millions of vehicles back
>> in the 80's would handle 24 hours straight of average speeds well in
>> excess of 100mph. You won't be able to do that on any roads that I
>> know of, unless you're just running back and forth on the Autobahn for
>> 24 hours and happen to have no traffic....
>
> Isn't that Chrysler 2.2L the same engine that is always blowing a rich,
> black plume of smoke out of nearly every late 80s Caravan still on the
> road? Or did they have something different in them?
Hey, they're not broken down though, are they?