Dave Garrett <dave@compassnet.com> wrote in
news:MPG.1ffdfdbcda71ac0298a13d@207.14.116.130:

> Took my 99 Accord V6 to the dealer today for an "express" oil change
> that turned into a longer wait than expected. When the service advisor
> came out, he showed me samples from my power steering fluid and
> transmission fluid compared to samples from new fluids, and
> recommended that both systems be flushed.


OK...


>
> I just recently had a 90K mile service done on the car at the same
> dealer, and one of the services that was performed then was a
> drain-and- fill on the transmission.



Provided this "drain and fill" was done correctly, you're fine as-is.



> I told the advisor this, and he said they
> still recommended a flush.



Sorry, but the rip-off buzzer is sounding just now. Ask him how many
times they did the "drain and fill" procedure. It needs to be done a few
times in succession to change most of the fluid.



> Given the well-documented fragility of



ONLY SOME OF



> the V6
> auto trannies,



Honda has fixed this issue, which was due to a particular and very
specific design flaw. You need to see if your VIN is covered under the
extended transmisison warranty, or if the corrective repair has been
already carried out. Have your dealer check.



> and the comments I've read here in the past advising
> against flushes, I declined to have this done. Is there anyone who has
> anything positive to say about flushing, other than the shops for whom
> it appears to be a nice profit generator?



Drain and fill -- done the correct way -- is all you need. The factory
service manual gives the procedure.


>
> Power steering flush I'm not sure about - does the power steering
> system really require flushing, or is it like the trans where a
> drain-and-fill is just as effective, if not better?



Yep. Drain and fill is fine. Done correctly of course...



> This particular
> dealer wants $140 to do the power steering flush.



The price is fine. Just make sure they do the drain and fill properly,
and do not use any substances other than genuine Honda power steering
fluid,


--
Tegger

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

 

Dave Garrett <dave@compassnet.com> wrote in
news:MPG.1ffdfdbcda71ac0298a13d@207.14.116.130:

> Took my 99 Accord V6 to the dealer today for an "express" oil change
> that turned into a longer wait than expected. When the service advisor
> came out, he showed me samples from my power steering fluid and
> transmission fluid compared to samples from new fluids, and
> recommended that both systems be flushed.


OK...


>
> I just recently had a 90K mile service done on the car at the same
> dealer, and one of the services that was performed then was a
> drain-and- fill on the transmission.



Provided this "drain and fill" was done correctly, you're fine as-is.



> I told the advisor this, and he said they
> still recommended a flush.



Sorry, but the rip-off buzzer is sounding just now. Ask him how many
times they did the "drain and fill" procedure. It needs to be done a few
times in succession to change most of the fluid.



> Given the well-documented fragility of



ONLY SOME OF



> the V6
> auto trannies,



Honda has fixed this issue, which was due to a particular and very
specific design flaw. You need to see if your VIN is covered under the
extended transmisison warranty, or if the corrective repair has been
already carried out. Have your dealer check.



> and the comments I've read here in the past advising
> against flushes, I declined to have this done. Is there anyone who has
> anything positive to say about flushing, other than the shops for whom
> it appears to be a nice profit generator?



Drain and fill -- done the correct way -- is all you need. The factory
service manual gives the procedure.


>
> Power steering flush I'm not sure about - does the power steering
> system really require flushing, or is it like the trans where a
> drain-and-fill is just as effective, if not better?



Yep. Drain and fill is fine. Done correctly of course...



> This particular
> dealer wants $140 to do the power steering flush.



The price is fine. Just make sure they do the drain and fill properly,
and do not use any substances other than genuine Honda power steering
fluid,


--
Tegger

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

 

Dave Garrett <dave@compassnet.com> wrote in
news:MPG.1ffdfdbcda71ac0298a13d@207.14.116.130:

> Took my 99 Accord V6 to the dealer today for an "express" oil change
> that turned into a longer wait than expected. When the service advisor
> came out, he showed me samples from my power steering fluid and
> transmission fluid compared to samples from new fluids, and
> recommended that both systems be flushed.


OK...


>
> I just recently had a 90K mile service done on the car at the same
> dealer, and one of the services that was performed then was a
> drain-and- fill on the transmission.



Provided this "drain and fill" was done correctly, you're fine as-is.



> I told the advisor this, and he said they
> still recommended a flush.



Sorry, but the rip-off buzzer is sounding just now. Ask him how many
times they did the "drain and fill" procedure. It needs to be done a few
times in succession to change most of the fluid.



> Given the well-documented fragility of



ONLY SOME OF



> the V6
> auto trannies,



Honda has fixed this issue, which was due to a particular and very
specific design flaw. You need to see if your VIN is covered under the
extended transmisison warranty, or if the corrective repair has been
already carried out. Have your dealer check.



> and the comments I've read here in the past advising
> against flushes, I declined to have this done. Is there anyone who has
> anything positive to say about flushing, other than the shops for whom
> it appears to be a nice profit generator?



Drain and fill -- done the correct way -- is all you need. The factory
service manual gives the procedure.


>
> Power steering flush I'm not sure about - does the power steering
> system really require flushing, or is it like the trans where a
> drain-and-fill is just as effective, if not better?



Yep. Drain and fill is fine. Done correctly of course...



> This particular
> dealer wants $140 to do the power steering flush.



The price is fine. Just make sure they do the drain and fill properly,
and do not use any substances other than genuine Honda power steering
fluid,


--
Tegger

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

 

Dave Garrett wrote:
> Took my 99 Accord V6 to the dealer today for an "express" oil change
> that turned into a longer wait than expected. When the service advisor
> came out, he showed me samples from my power steering fluid and
> transmission fluid compared to samples from new fluids, and recommended
> that both systems be flushed.
>
> I just recently had a 90K mile service done on the car at the same
> dealer, and one of the services that was performed then was a drain-and-
> fill on the transmission. I told the advisor this, and he said they
> still recommended a flush. Given the well-documented fragility of the V6
> auto trannies, and the comments I've read here in the past advising
> against flushes, I declined to have this done. Is there anyone who has
> anything positive to say about flushing, other than the shops for whom
> it appears to be a nice profit generator?
>
> Power steering flush I'm not sure about - does the power steering system
> really require flushing, or is it like the trans where a drain-and-fill
> is just as effective, if not better? This particular dealer wants $140
> to do the power steering flush. I opted to do nothing for now except the
> oil change I'd come in for, pending further research. I also suspected
> that if the power steering fluid really needed to be changed, it would
> have been mentioned when the 90K service was done.
>
> Dave
>
STAY AWAY from this place. stay away from /any/ place that offers to
flush your honda.

1. power steering fluid is usually good for the life of the car. my
17-year old civic only had its fluid changed for the first time last
year. no problems whatsoever.
2. honda power steering systems will fail very expensively unless honda
fluid is used.
3. honda transmissions are drain & refill with honda fluid. google this
group for reasons and experience of others.

again, stay away from anywhere that offers to flush. very bad news.

 

Dave Garrett wrote:
> Took my 99 Accord V6 to the dealer today for an "express" oil change
> that turned into a longer wait than expected. When the service advisor
> came out, he showed me samples from my power steering fluid and
> transmission fluid compared to samples from new fluids, and recommended
> that both systems be flushed.
>
> I just recently had a 90K mile service done on the car at the same
> dealer, and one of the services that was performed then was a drain-and-
> fill on the transmission. I told the advisor this, and he said they
> still recommended a flush. Given the well-documented fragility of the V6
> auto trannies, and the comments I've read here in the past advising
> against flushes, I declined to have this done. Is there anyone who has
> anything positive to say about flushing, other than the shops for whom
> it appears to be a nice profit generator?
>
> Power steering flush I'm not sure about - does the power steering system
> really require flushing, or is it like the trans where a drain-and-fill
> is just as effective, if not better? This particular dealer wants $140
> to do the power steering flush. I opted to do nothing for now except the
> oil change I'd come in for, pending further research. I also suspected
> that if the power steering fluid really needed to be changed, it would
> have been mentioned when the 90K service was done.
>
> Dave
>
STAY AWAY from this place. stay away from /any/ place that offers to
flush your honda.

1. power steering fluid is usually good for the life of the car. my
17-year old civic only had its fluid changed for the first time last
year. no problems whatsoever.
2. honda power steering systems will fail very expensively unless honda
fluid is used.
3. honda transmissions are drain & refill with honda fluid. google this
group for reasons and experience of others.

again, stay away from anywhere that offers to flush. very bad news.

 

Dave Garrett wrote:
> Took my 99 Accord V6 to the dealer today for an "express" oil change
> that turned into a longer wait than expected. When the service advisor
> came out, he showed me samples from my power steering fluid and
> transmission fluid compared to samples from new fluids, and recommended
> that both systems be flushed.
>
> I just recently had a 90K mile service done on the car at the same
> dealer, and one of the services that was performed then was a drain-and-
> fill on the transmission. I told the advisor this, and he said they
> still recommended a flush. Given the well-documented fragility of the V6
> auto trannies, and the comments I've read here in the past advising
> against flushes, I declined to have this done. Is there anyone who has
> anything positive to say about flushing, other than the shops for whom
> it appears to be a nice profit generator?
>
> Power steering flush I'm not sure about - does the power steering system
> really require flushing, or is it like the trans where a drain-and-fill
> is just as effective, if not better? This particular dealer wants $140
> to do the power steering flush. I opted to do nothing for now except the
> oil change I'd come in for, pending further research. I also suspected
> that if the power steering fluid really needed to be changed, it would
> have been mentioned when the 90K service was done.
>
> Dave
>
STAY AWAY from this place. stay away from /any/ place that offers to
flush your honda.

1. power steering fluid is usually good for the life of the car. my
17-year old civic only had its fluid changed for the first time last
year. no problems whatsoever.
2. honda power steering systems will fail very expensively unless honda
fluid is used.
3. honda transmissions are drain & refill with honda fluid. google this
group for reasons and experience of others.

again, stay away from anywhere that offers to flush. very bad news.

 

Dave Garrett wrote:
> Took my 99 Accord V6 to the dealer today for an "express" oil change
> that turned into a longer wait than expected. When the service advisor
> came out, he showed me samples from my power steering fluid and
> transmission fluid compared to samples from new fluids, and recommended
> that both systems be flushed.
>
> I just recently had a 90K mile service done on the car at the same
> dealer, and one of the services that was performed then was a drain-and-
> fill on the transmission. I told the advisor this, and he said they
> still recommended a flush. Given the well-documented fragility of the V6
> auto trannies, and the comments I've read here in the past advising
> against flushes, I declined to have this done. Is there anyone who has
> anything positive to say about flushing, other than the shops for whom
> it appears to be a nice profit generator?
>
> Power steering flush I'm not sure about - does the power steering system
> really require flushing, or is it like the trans where a drain-and-fill
> is just as effective, if not better? This particular dealer wants $140
> to do the power steering flush. I opted to do nothing for now except the
> oil change I'd come in for, pending further research. I also suspected
> that if the power steering fluid really needed to be changed, it would
> have been mentioned when the 90K service was done.
>
> Dave
>
STAY AWAY from this place. stay away from /any/ place that offers to
flush your honda.

1. power steering fluid is usually good for the life of the car. my
17-year old civic only had its fluid changed for the first time last
year. no problems whatsoever.
2. honda power steering systems will fail very expensively unless honda
fluid is used.
3. honda transmissions are drain & refill with honda fluid. google this
group for reasons and experience of others.

again, stay away from anywhere that offers to flush. very bad news.

 

Thanks to all for the input - pretty much what I expected to read. I'm
going to have a discussion with my regular service advisor (the "express
service" area for oil changes and the like uses different service
advisors than the regular service desk) concerning exactly how the drain
and fill was performed on my Accord's transmission.

I've been considering moving all of my major service business to another
local Honda dealer who my dad purchased a new car from; he's been very
happy with them in terms of post-sale service. The other dealer also
offers loaner cars if you have to leave your car overnight for service,
something my current dealer does not do. Considering that both dealers
are on the other side of town from where I live, neither is very
convenient for me location-wise, so a loaner car is a fairly significant
perk.

Dave

 

Thanks to all for the input - pretty much what I expected to read. I'm
going to have a discussion with my regular service advisor (the "express
service" area for oil changes and the like uses different service
advisors than the regular service desk) concerning exactly how the drain
and fill was performed on my Accord's transmission.

I've been considering moving all of my major service business to another
local Honda dealer who my dad purchased a new car from; he's been very
happy with them in terms of post-sale service. The other dealer also
offers loaner cars if you have to leave your car overnight for service,
something my current dealer does not do. Considering that both dealers
are on the other side of town from where I live, neither is very
convenient for me location-wise, so a loaner car is a fairly significant
perk.

Dave

 

Thanks to all for the input - pretty much what I expected to read. I'm
going to have a discussion with my regular service advisor (the "express
service" area for oil changes and the like uses different service
advisors than the regular service desk) concerning exactly how the drain
and fill was performed on my Accord's transmission.

I've been considering moving all of my major service business to another
local Honda dealer who my dad purchased a new car from; he's been very
happy with them in terms of post-sale service. The other dealer also
offers loaner cars if you have to leave your car overnight for service,
something my current dealer does not do. Considering that both dealers
are on the other side of town from where I live, neither is very
convenient for me location-wise, so a loaner car is a fairly significant
perk.

Dave