98 accord needs oil pan
11-13-2006 | 11:02 PM
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98 accord needs oil pan
I have been told by my servicing Honda dealer that my 1998 Accord EXV6 has
an oil pan with a stripped drain plug and self tapping plugs which they are
now using is only a temporary fix.
The car has 110,000 miles on it and the dealer has done most ALL of its oil
changes. I really though that only Jiffy Lube stripped Honda pans, not the
dealers, but I can understand that a car with my mileage may have this
issue. (?)
My dealer wants $130 for the pan and $250 installation. Seems excessive as
an OEM pan is available on line for $48.00 from Majestic Honda!
Anyone with an idea on an "acceptable" cost to replace the oil pan on my car
in the Long Island, New York area??
Thanks,
Matthew
an oil pan with a stripped drain plug and self tapping plugs which they are
now using is only a temporary fix.
The car has 110,000 miles on it and the dealer has done most ALL of its oil
changes. I really though that only Jiffy Lube stripped Honda pans, not the
dealers, but I can understand that a car with my mileage may have this
issue. (?)
My dealer wants $130 for the pan and $250 installation. Seems excessive as
an OEM pan is available on line for $48.00 from Majestic Honda!
Anyone with an idea on an "acceptable" cost to replace the oil pan on my car
in the Long Island, New York area??
Thanks,
Matthew
11-14-2006 | 12:08 AM
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Re: 98 accord needs oil pan
Matthew wrote:
> I have been told by my servicing Honda dealer that my 1998 Accord EXV6 has
> an oil pan with a stripped drain plug and self tapping plugs which they are
> now using is only a temporary fix.
> The car has 110,000 miles on it and the dealer has done most ALL of its oil
> changes. I really though that only Jiffy Lube stripped Honda pans, not the
> dealers, but I can understand that a car with my mileage may have this
> issue. (?)
>
> My dealer wants $130 for the pan and $250 installation. Seems excessive as
> an OEM pan is available on line for $48.00 from Majestic Honda!
>
> Anyone with an idea on an "acceptable" cost to replace the oil pan on my car
> in the Long Island, New York area??
>
> Thanks,
> Matthew
>
>
you may have the aluminum pan, in which case it is more expensive.
either way, stripped drain plug is imo a crime punishable by moving your
business elsewhere.
> I have been told by my servicing Honda dealer that my 1998 Accord EXV6 has
> an oil pan with a stripped drain plug and self tapping plugs which they are
> now using is only a temporary fix.
> The car has 110,000 miles on it and the dealer has done most ALL of its oil
> changes. I really though that only Jiffy Lube stripped Honda pans, not the
> dealers, but I can understand that a car with my mileage may have this
> issue. (?)
>
> My dealer wants $130 for the pan and $250 installation. Seems excessive as
> an OEM pan is available on line for $48.00 from Majestic Honda!
>
> Anyone with an idea on an "acceptable" cost to replace the oil pan on my car
> in the Long Island, New York area??
>
> Thanks,
> Matthew
>
>
you may have the aluminum pan, in which case it is more expensive.
either way, stripped drain plug is imo a crime punishable by moving your
business elsewhere.
11-14-2006 | 12:08 AM
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Re: 98 accord needs oil pan
Matthew wrote:
> I have been told by my servicing Honda dealer that my 1998 Accord EXV6 has
> an oil pan with a stripped drain plug and self tapping plugs which they are
> now using is only a temporary fix.
> The car has 110,000 miles on it and the dealer has done most ALL of its oil
> changes. I really though that only Jiffy Lube stripped Honda pans, not the
> dealers, but I can understand that a car with my mileage may have this
> issue. (?)
>
> My dealer wants $130 for the pan and $250 installation. Seems excessive as
> an OEM pan is available on line for $48.00 from Majestic Honda!
>
> Anyone with an idea on an "acceptable" cost to replace the oil pan on my car
> in the Long Island, New York area??
>
> Thanks,
> Matthew
>
>
you may have the aluminum pan, in which case it is more expensive.
either way, stripped drain plug is imo a crime punishable by moving your
business elsewhere.
> I have been told by my servicing Honda dealer that my 1998 Accord EXV6 has
> an oil pan with a stripped drain plug and self tapping plugs which they are
> now using is only a temporary fix.
> The car has 110,000 miles on it and the dealer has done most ALL of its oil
> changes. I really though that only Jiffy Lube stripped Honda pans, not the
> dealers, but I can understand that a car with my mileage may have this
> issue. (?)
>
> My dealer wants $130 for the pan and $250 installation. Seems excessive as
> an OEM pan is available on line for $48.00 from Majestic Honda!
>
> Anyone with an idea on an "acceptable" cost to replace the oil pan on my car
> in the Long Island, New York area??
>
> Thanks,
> Matthew
>
>
you may have the aluminum pan, in which case it is more expensive.
either way, stripped drain plug is imo a crime punishable by moving your
business elsewhere.
11-14-2006 | 12:08 AM
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Re: 98 accord needs oil pan
Matthew wrote:
> I have been told by my servicing Honda dealer that my 1998 Accord EXV6 has
> an oil pan with a stripped drain plug and self tapping plugs which they are
> now using is only a temporary fix.
> The car has 110,000 miles on it and the dealer has done most ALL of its oil
> changes. I really though that only Jiffy Lube stripped Honda pans, not the
> dealers, but I can understand that a car with my mileage may have this
> issue. (?)
>
> My dealer wants $130 for the pan and $250 installation. Seems excessive as
> an OEM pan is available on line for $48.00 from Majestic Honda!
>
> Anyone with an idea on an "acceptable" cost to replace the oil pan on my car
> in the Long Island, New York area??
>
> Thanks,
> Matthew
>
>
you may have the aluminum pan, in which case it is more expensive.
either way, stripped drain plug is imo a crime punishable by moving your
business elsewhere.
> I have been told by my servicing Honda dealer that my 1998 Accord EXV6 has
> an oil pan with a stripped drain plug and self tapping plugs which they are
> now using is only a temporary fix.
> The car has 110,000 miles on it and the dealer has done most ALL of its oil
> changes. I really though that only Jiffy Lube stripped Honda pans, not the
> dealers, but I can understand that a car with my mileage may have this
> issue. (?)
>
> My dealer wants $130 for the pan and $250 installation. Seems excessive as
> an OEM pan is available on line for $48.00 from Majestic Honda!
>
> Anyone with an idea on an "acceptable" cost to replace the oil pan on my car
> in the Long Island, New York area??
>
> Thanks,
> Matthew
>
>
you may have the aluminum pan, in which case it is more expensive.
either way, stripped drain plug is imo a crime punishable by moving your
business elsewhere.
11-14-2006 | 12:08 AM
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Re: 98 accord needs oil pan
Matthew wrote:
> I have been told by my servicing Honda dealer that my 1998 Accord EXV6 has
> an oil pan with a stripped drain plug and self tapping plugs which they are
> now using is only a temporary fix.
> The car has 110,000 miles on it and the dealer has done most ALL of its oil
> changes. I really though that only Jiffy Lube stripped Honda pans, not the
> dealers, but I can understand that a car with my mileage may have this
> issue. (?)
>
> My dealer wants $130 for the pan and $250 installation. Seems excessive as
> an OEM pan is available on line for $48.00 from Majestic Honda!
>
> Anyone with an idea on an "acceptable" cost to replace the oil pan on my car
> in the Long Island, New York area??
>
> Thanks,
> Matthew
>
>
you may have the aluminum pan, in which case it is more expensive.
either way, stripped drain plug is imo a crime punishable by moving your
business elsewhere.
> I have been told by my servicing Honda dealer that my 1998 Accord EXV6 has
> an oil pan with a stripped drain plug and self tapping plugs which they are
> now using is only a temporary fix.
> The car has 110,000 miles on it and the dealer has done most ALL of its oil
> changes. I really though that only Jiffy Lube stripped Honda pans, not the
> dealers, but I can understand that a car with my mileage may have this
> issue. (?)
>
> My dealer wants $130 for the pan and $250 installation. Seems excessive as
> an OEM pan is available on line for $48.00 from Majestic Honda!
>
> Anyone with an idea on an "acceptable" cost to replace the oil pan on my car
> in the Long Island, New York area??
>
> Thanks,
> Matthew
>
>
you may have the aluminum pan, in which case it is more expensive.
either way, stripped drain plug is imo a crime punishable by moving your
business elsewhere.
11-14-2006 | 04:51 AM
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Re: 98 accord needs oil pan
On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 23:02:46 -0500, Matthew wrote:
> I have been told by my servicing Honda dealer that my 1998 Accord EXV6 has
> an oil pan with a stripped drain plug and self tapping plugs which they are
> now using is only a temporary fix.
> The car has 110,000 miles on it and the dealer has done most ALL of its oil
> changes. I really though that only Jiffy Lube stripped Honda pans, not the
> dealers, but I can understand that a car with my mileage may have this
> issue. (?)
It should never happen unless the plug was put in cross-threaded, or it
was over-tightened. Find a new dealership to do your service.
>
> My dealer wants $130 for the pan and $250 installation. Seems excessive
> as an OEM pan is available on line for $48.00 from Majestic Honda!
That's the price of dealing with a dealer. You could try talking to the
service manager, to see if he will cut you a break, since the damage was
obviously done by his shop...
> I have been told by my servicing Honda dealer that my 1998 Accord EXV6 has
> an oil pan with a stripped drain plug and self tapping plugs which they are
> now using is only a temporary fix.
> The car has 110,000 miles on it and the dealer has done most ALL of its oil
> changes. I really though that only Jiffy Lube stripped Honda pans, not the
> dealers, but I can understand that a car with my mileage may have this
> issue. (?)
It should never happen unless the plug was put in cross-threaded, or it
was over-tightened. Find a new dealership to do your service.
>
> My dealer wants $130 for the pan and $250 installation. Seems excessive
> as an OEM pan is available on line for $48.00 from Majestic Honda!
That's the price of dealing with a dealer. You could try talking to the
service manager, to see if he will cut you a break, since the damage was
obviously done by his shop...
11-14-2006 | 04:51 AM
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Re: 98 accord needs oil pan
On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 23:02:46 -0500, Matthew wrote:
> I have been told by my servicing Honda dealer that my 1998 Accord EXV6 has
> an oil pan with a stripped drain plug and self tapping plugs which they are
> now using is only a temporary fix.
> The car has 110,000 miles on it and the dealer has done most ALL of its oil
> changes. I really though that only Jiffy Lube stripped Honda pans, not the
> dealers, but I can understand that a car with my mileage may have this
> issue. (?)
It should never happen unless the plug was put in cross-threaded, or it
was over-tightened. Find a new dealership to do your service.
>
> My dealer wants $130 for the pan and $250 installation. Seems excessive
> as an OEM pan is available on line for $48.00 from Majestic Honda!
That's the price of dealing with a dealer. You could try talking to the
service manager, to see if he will cut you a break, since the damage was
obviously done by his shop...
> I have been told by my servicing Honda dealer that my 1998 Accord EXV6 has
> an oil pan with a stripped drain plug and self tapping plugs which they are
> now using is only a temporary fix.
> The car has 110,000 miles on it and the dealer has done most ALL of its oil
> changes. I really though that only Jiffy Lube stripped Honda pans, not the
> dealers, but I can understand that a car with my mileage may have this
> issue. (?)
It should never happen unless the plug was put in cross-threaded, or it
was over-tightened. Find a new dealership to do your service.
>
> My dealer wants $130 for the pan and $250 installation. Seems excessive
> as an OEM pan is available on line for $48.00 from Majestic Honda!
That's the price of dealing with a dealer. You could try talking to the
service manager, to see if he will cut you a break, since the damage was
obviously done by his shop...
11-14-2006 | 04:51 AM
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Re: 98 accord needs oil pan
On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 23:02:46 -0500, Matthew wrote:
> I have been told by my servicing Honda dealer that my 1998 Accord EXV6 has
> an oil pan with a stripped drain plug and self tapping plugs which they are
> now using is only a temporary fix.
> The car has 110,000 miles on it and the dealer has done most ALL of its oil
> changes. I really though that only Jiffy Lube stripped Honda pans, not the
> dealers, but I can understand that a car with my mileage may have this
> issue. (?)
It should never happen unless the plug was put in cross-threaded, or it
was over-tightened. Find a new dealership to do your service.
>
> My dealer wants $130 for the pan and $250 installation. Seems excessive
> as an OEM pan is available on line for $48.00 from Majestic Honda!
That's the price of dealing with a dealer. You could try talking to the
service manager, to see if he will cut you a break, since the damage was
obviously done by his shop...
> I have been told by my servicing Honda dealer that my 1998 Accord EXV6 has
> an oil pan with a stripped drain plug and self tapping plugs which they are
> now using is only a temporary fix.
> The car has 110,000 miles on it and the dealer has done most ALL of its oil
> changes. I really though that only Jiffy Lube stripped Honda pans, not the
> dealers, but I can understand that a car with my mileage may have this
> issue. (?)
It should never happen unless the plug was put in cross-threaded, or it
was over-tightened. Find a new dealership to do your service.
>
> My dealer wants $130 for the pan and $250 installation. Seems excessive
> as an OEM pan is available on line for $48.00 from Majestic Honda!
That's the price of dealing with a dealer. You could try talking to the
service manager, to see if he will cut you a break, since the damage was
obviously done by his shop...
11-14-2006 | 04:51 AM
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Re: 98 accord needs oil pan
On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 23:02:46 -0500, Matthew wrote:
> I have been told by my servicing Honda dealer that my 1998 Accord EXV6 has
> an oil pan with a stripped drain plug and self tapping plugs which they are
> now using is only a temporary fix.
> The car has 110,000 miles on it and the dealer has done most ALL of its oil
> changes. I really though that only Jiffy Lube stripped Honda pans, not the
> dealers, but I can understand that a car with my mileage may have this
> issue. (?)
It should never happen unless the plug was put in cross-threaded, or it
was over-tightened. Find a new dealership to do your service.
>
> My dealer wants $130 for the pan and $250 installation. Seems excessive
> as an OEM pan is available on line for $48.00 from Majestic Honda!
That's the price of dealing with a dealer. You could try talking to the
service manager, to see if he will cut you a break, since the damage was
obviously done by his shop...
> I have been told by my servicing Honda dealer that my 1998 Accord EXV6 has
> an oil pan with a stripped drain plug and self tapping plugs which they are
> now using is only a temporary fix.
> The car has 110,000 miles on it and the dealer has done most ALL of its oil
> changes. I really though that only Jiffy Lube stripped Honda pans, not the
> dealers, but I can understand that a car with my mileage may have this
> issue. (?)
It should never happen unless the plug was put in cross-threaded, or it
was over-tightened. Find a new dealership to do your service.
>
> My dealer wants $130 for the pan and $250 installation. Seems excessive
> as an OEM pan is available on line for $48.00 from Majestic Honda!
That's the price of dealing with a dealer. You could try talking to the
service manager, to see if he will cut you a break, since the damage was
obviously done by his shop...
11-14-2006 | 07:20 AM
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Re: 98 accord needs oil pan
"Joe LaVigne" <jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 23:02:46 -0500, Matthew wrote:
>
>> I have been told by my servicing Honda dealer that my 1998 Accord EXV6
>> has
>> an oil pan with a stripped drain plug and self tapping plugs which they
>> are
>> now using is only a temporary fix.
>> The car has 110,000 miles on it and the dealer has done most ALL of its
>> oil
>> changes. I really though that only Jiffy Lube stripped Honda pans, not
>> the
>> dealers, but I can understand that a car with my mileage may have this
>> issue. (?)
>
> It should never happen unless the plug was put in cross-threaded, or it
> was over-tightened. Find a new dealership to do your service.
>
I'm not so sure. We are the second owners of my daughter's '93 Accord, and
the previous owner relied too much on Midas for service (original timing
belt at 163K miles!) Still, we made it through about half a dozen
do-it-myself oil changes before the oil drain bolt stripped. Had Midas been
overtorqueing the bolt and it finally caught up with me? Dunno. But I
suspect even torqueing "by the book" results in gradual erosion of the pan
threads. I can testify that a mechanic can do it exactly right, even several
times, and still the bolt may strip. It also seems to be a uniquely Honda
phenomenon; I haven't seen any other make that has this problem... unless
cross-threaded, of course.
NAPA carries single and double oversize drain bolts for Hondas. Hers now has
a single oversize and it has done well through a handful of oil changes. My
only complaint is that it doesn't thread in very far by hand the way the
original did, but it does thread far enough to ensure it isn't
cross-threading. I recommend leaving it at as-is unless and until there is
another stripped thread. If that happens, at least it won't be with a new
pan!
Mike
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> On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 23:02:46 -0500, Matthew wrote:
>
>> I have been told by my servicing Honda dealer that my 1998 Accord EXV6
>> has
>> an oil pan with a stripped drain plug and self tapping plugs which they
>> are
>> now using is only a temporary fix.
>> The car has 110,000 miles on it and the dealer has done most ALL of its
>> oil
>> changes. I really though that only Jiffy Lube stripped Honda pans, not
>> the
>> dealers, but I can understand that a car with my mileage may have this
>> issue. (?)
>
> It should never happen unless the plug was put in cross-threaded, or it
> was over-tightened. Find a new dealership to do your service.
>
I'm not so sure. We are the second owners of my daughter's '93 Accord, and
the previous owner relied too much on Midas for service (original timing
belt at 163K miles!) Still, we made it through about half a dozen
do-it-myself oil changes before the oil drain bolt stripped. Had Midas been
overtorqueing the bolt and it finally caught up with me? Dunno. But I
suspect even torqueing "by the book" results in gradual erosion of the pan
threads. I can testify that a mechanic can do it exactly right, even several
times, and still the bolt may strip. It also seems to be a uniquely Honda
phenomenon; I haven't seen any other make that has this problem... unless
cross-threaded, of course.
NAPA carries single and double oversize drain bolts for Hondas. Hers now has
a single oversize and it has done well through a handful of oil changes. My
only complaint is that it doesn't thread in very far by hand the way the
original did, but it does thread far enough to ensure it isn't
cross-threading. I recommend leaving it at as-is unless and until there is
another stripped thread. If that happens, at least it won't be with a new
pan!
Mike
11-14-2006 | 07:20 AM
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Re: 98 accord needs oil pan
"Joe LaVigne" <jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 23:02:46 -0500, Matthew wrote:
>
>> I have been told by my servicing Honda dealer that my 1998 Accord EXV6
>> has
>> an oil pan with a stripped drain plug and self tapping plugs which they
>> are
>> now using is only a temporary fix.
>> The car has 110,000 miles on it and the dealer has done most ALL of its
>> oil
>> changes. I really though that only Jiffy Lube stripped Honda pans, not
>> the
>> dealers, but I can understand that a car with my mileage may have this
>> issue. (?)
>
> It should never happen unless the plug was put in cross-threaded, or it
> was over-tightened. Find a new dealership to do your service.
>
I'm not so sure. We are the second owners of my daughter's '93 Accord, and
the previous owner relied too much on Midas for service (original timing
belt at 163K miles!) Still, we made it through about half a dozen
do-it-myself oil changes before the oil drain bolt stripped. Had Midas been
overtorqueing the bolt and it finally caught up with me? Dunno. But I
suspect even torqueing "by the book" results in gradual erosion of the pan
threads. I can testify that a mechanic can do it exactly right, even several
times, and still the bolt may strip. It also seems to be a uniquely Honda
phenomenon; I haven't seen any other make that has this problem... unless
cross-threaded, of course.
NAPA carries single and double oversize drain bolts for Hondas. Hers now has
a single oversize and it has done well through a handful of oil changes. My
only complaint is that it doesn't thread in very far by hand the way the
original did, but it does thread far enough to ensure it isn't
cross-threading. I recommend leaving it at as-is unless and until there is
another stripped thread. If that happens, at least it won't be with a new
pan!
Mike
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> On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 23:02:46 -0500, Matthew wrote:
>
>> I have been told by my servicing Honda dealer that my 1998 Accord EXV6
>> has
>> an oil pan with a stripped drain plug and self tapping plugs which they
>> are
>> now using is only a temporary fix.
>> The car has 110,000 miles on it and the dealer has done most ALL of its
>> oil
>> changes. I really though that only Jiffy Lube stripped Honda pans, not
>> the
>> dealers, but I can understand that a car with my mileage may have this
>> issue. (?)
>
> It should never happen unless the plug was put in cross-threaded, or it
> was over-tightened. Find a new dealership to do your service.
>
I'm not so sure. We are the second owners of my daughter's '93 Accord, and
the previous owner relied too much on Midas for service (original timing
belt at 163K miles!) Still, we made it through about half a dozen
do-it-myself oil changes before the oil drain bolt stripped. Had Midas been
overtorqueing the bolt and it finally caught up with me? Dunno. But I
suspect even torqueing "by the book" results in gradual erosion of the pan
threads. I can testify that a mechanic can do it exactly right, even several
times, and still the bolt may strip. It also seems to be a uniquely Honda
phenomenon; I haven't seen any other make that has this problem... unless
cross-threaded, of course.
NAPA carries single and double oversize drain bolts for Hondas. Hers now has
a single oversize and it has done well through a handful of oil changes. My
only complaint is that it doesn't thread in very far by hand the way the
original did, but it does thread far enough to ensure it isn't
cross-threading. I recommend leaving it at as-is unless and until there is
another stripped thread. If that happens, at least it won't be with a new
pan!
Mike
11-14-2006 | 07:20 AM
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Re: 98 accord needs oil pan
"Joe LaVigne" <jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 23:02:46 -0500, Matthew wrote:
>
>> I have been told by my servicing Honda dealer that my 1998 Accord EXV6
>> has
>> an oil pan with a stripped drain plug and self tapping plugs which they
>> are
>> now using is only a temporary fix.
>> The car has 110,000 miles on it and the dealer has done most ALL of its
>> oil
>> changes. I really though that only Jiffy Lube stripped Honda pans, not
>> the
>> dealers, but I can understand that a car with my mileage may have this
>> issue. (?)
>
> It should never happen unless the plug was put in cross-threaded, or it
> was over-tightened. Find a new dealership to do your service.
>
I'm not so sure. We are the second owners of my daughter's '93 Accord, and
the previous owner relied too much on Midas for service (original timing
belt at 163K miles!) Still, we made it through about half a dozen
do-it-myself oil changes before the oil drain bolt stripped. Had Midas been
overtorqueing the bolt and it finally caught up with me? Dunno. But I
suspect even torqueing "by the book" results in gradual erosion of the pan
threads. I can testify that a mechanic can do it exactly right, even several
times, and still the bolt may strip. It also seems to be a uniquely Honda
phenomenon; I haven't seen any other make that has this problem... unless
cross-threaded, of course.
NAPA carries single and double oversize drain bolts for Hondas. Hers now has
a single oversize and it has done well through a handful of oil changes. My
only complaint is that it doesn't thread in very far by hand the way the
original did, but it does thread far enough to ensure it isn't
cross-threading. I recommend leaving it at as-is unless and until there is
another stripped thread. If that happens, at least it won't be with a new
pan!
Mike
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> On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 23:02:46 -0500, Matthew wrote:
>
>> I have been told by my servicing Honda dealer that my 1998 Accord EXV6
>> has
>> an oil pan with a stripped drain plug and self tapping plugs which they
>> are
>> now using is only a temporary fix.
>> The car has 110,000 miles on it and the dealer has done most ALL of its
>> oil
>> changes. I really though that only Jiffy Lube stripped Honda pans, not
>> the
>> dealers, but I can understand that a car with my mileage may have this
>> issue. (?)
>
> It should never happen unless the plug was put in cross-threaded, or it
> was over-tightened. Find a new dealership to do your service.
>
I'm not so sure. We are the second owners of my daughter's '93 Accord, and
the previous owner relied too much on Midas for service (original timing
belt at 163K miles!) Still, we made it through about half a dozen
do-it-myself oil changes before the oil drain bolt stripped. Had Midas been
overtorqueing the bolt and it finally caught up with me? Dunno. But I
suspect even torqueing "by the book" results in gradual erosion of the pan
threads. I can testify that a mechanic can do it exactly right, even several
times, and still the bolt may strip. It also seems to be a uniquely Honda
phenomenon; I haven't seen any other make that has this problem... unless
cross-threaded, of course.
NAPA carries single and double oversize drain bolts for Hondas. Hers now has
a single oversize and it has done well through a handful of oil changes. My
only complaint is that it doesn't thread in very far by hand the way the
original did, but it does thread far enough to ensure it isn't
cross-threading. I recommend leaving it at as-is unless and until there is
another stripped thread. If that happens, at least it won't be with a new
pan!
Mike
11-14-2006 | 07:20 AM
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Re: 98 accord needs oil pan
"Joe LaVigne" <jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 23:02:46 -0500, Matthew wrote:
>
>> I have been told by my servicing Honda dealer that my 1998 Accord EXV6
>> has
>> an oil pan with a stripped drain plug and self tapping plugs which they
>> are
>> now using is only a temporary fix.
>> The car has 110,000 miles on it and the dealer has done most ALL of its
>> oil
>> changes. I really though that only Jiffy Lube stripped Honda pans, not
>> the
>> dealers, but I can understand that a car with my mileage may have this
>> issue. (?)
>
> It should never happen unless the plug was put in cross-threaded, or it
> was over-tightened. Find a new dealership to do your service.
>
I'm not so sure. We are the second owners of my daughter's '93 Accord, and
the previous owner relied too much on Midas for service (original timing
belt at 163K miles!) Still, we made it through about half a dozen
do-it-myself oil changes before the oil drain bolt stripped. Had Midas been
overtorqueing the bolt and it finally caught up with me? Dunno. But I
suspect even torqueing "by the book" results in gradual erosion of the pan
threads. I can testify that a mechanic can do it exactly right, even several
times, and still the bolt may strip. It also seems to be a uniquely Honda
phenomenon; I haven't seen any other make that has this problem... unless
cross-threaded, of course.
NAPA carries single and double oversize drain bolts for Hondas. Hers now has
a single oversize and it has done well through a handful of oil changes. My
only complaint is that it doesn't thread in very far by hand the way the
original did, but it does thread far enough to ensure it isn't
cross-threading. I recommend leaving it at as-is unless and until there is
another stripped thread. If that happens, at least it won't be with a new
pan!
Mike
news:ejc3jq$ei9$1@news.datemas.de...
> On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 23:02:46 -0500, Matthew wrote:
>
>> I have been told by my servicing Honda dealer that my 1998 Accord EXV6
>> has
>> an oil pan with a stripped drain plug and self tapping plugs which they
>> are
>> now using is only a temporary fix.
>> The car has 110,000 miles on it and the dealer has done most ALL of its
>> oil
>> changes. I really though that only Jiffy Lube stripped Honda pans, not
>> the
>> dealers, but I can understand that a car with my mileage may have this
>> issue. (?)
>
> It should never happen unless the plug was put in cross-threaded, or it
> was over-tightened. Find a new dealership to do your service.
>
I'm not so sure. We are the second owners of my daughter's '93 Accord, and
the previous owner relied too much on Midas for service (original timing
belt at 163K miles!) Still, we made it through about half a dozen
do-it-myself oil changes before the oil drain bolt stripped. Had Midas been
overtorqueing the bolt and it finally caught up with me? Dunno. But I
suspect even torqueing "by the book" results in gradual erosion of the pan
threads. I can testify that a mechanic can do it exactly right, even several
times, and still the bolt may strip. It also seems to be a uniquely Honda
phenomenon; I haven't seen any other make that has this problem... unless
cross-threaded, of course.
NAPA carries single and double oversize drain bolts for Hondas. Hers now has
a single oversize and it has done well through a handful of oil changes. My
only complaint is that it doesn't thread in very far by hand the way the
original did, but it does thread far enough to ensure it isn't
cross-threading. I recommend leaving it at as-is unless and until there is
another stripped thread. If that happens, at least it won't be with a new
pan!
Mike
11-14-2006 | 07:43 AM
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Re: 98 accord needs oil pan
"Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote in
news:f9CdnfJJV4O2KcTYnZ2dnUVZ_sSdnZ2d@sedona.net:
<snip>
> We are the second owners of my daughter's '93 Accord,
> and the previous owner relied too much on Midas for service (original
> timing belt at 163K miles!) Still, we made it through about half a
> dozen do-it-myself oil changes before the oil drain bolt stripped. Had
> Midas been overtorqueing the bolt and it finally caught up with me?
> Dunno. But I suspect even torqueing "by the book" results in gradual
> erosion of the pan threads.
It does not. The single and sole cause of stripped oil pan drain bolt
threads is overtorquing.
Too many mechanics (even dealership ones, unfortunately) hand-torque the
bolt to save time, usually overdoing it by a considerable margin.
The first oil pan in my Integra made it barely 3 years with oil changes
exclusively by an Acura dealer. The second, well...It's still on there.
> I can testify that a mechanic can do it
> exactly right, even several times, and still the bolt may strip.
Unlikely. Do it right, right from the start, and that bolt will go a
long long time before it strips. And I mean a decade or more, or well
over 100 oil changes.
> It
> also seems to be a uniquely Honda phenomenon;
It is. It has to do with the way Honda makes the threads in the oil pan.
The official Honda cure is Heli-Coil.
--
TeGGeR®
The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/
news:f9CdnfJJV4O2KcTYnZ2dnUVZ_sSdnZ2d@sedona.net:
<snip>
> We are the second owners of my daughter's '93 Accord,
> and the previous owner relied too much on Midas for service (original
> timing belt at 163K miles!) Still, we made it through about half a
> dozen do-it-myself oil changes before the oil drain bolt stripped. Had
> Midas been overtorqueing the bolt and it finally caught up with me?
> Dunno. But I suspect even torqueing "by the book" results in gradual
> erosion of the pan threads.
It does not. The single and sole cause of stripped oil pan drain bolt
threads is overtorquing.
Too many mechanics (even dealership ones, unfortunately) hand-torque the
bolt to save time, usually overdoing it by a considerable margin.
The first oil pan in my Integra made it barely 3 years with oil changes
exclusively by an Acura dealer. The second, well...It's still on there.
> I can testify that a mechanic can do it
> exactly right, even several times, and still the bolt may strip.
Unlikely. Do it right, right from the start, and that bolt will go a
long long time before it strips. And I mean a decade or more, or well
over 100 oil changes.
> It
> also seems to be a uniquely Honda phenomenon;
It is. It has to do with the way Honda makes the threads in the oil pan.
The official Honda cure is Heli-Coil.
--
TeGGeR®
The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/
11-14-2006 | 07:43 AM
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Re: 98 accord needs oil pan
"Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote in
news:f9CdnfJJV4O2KcTYnZ2dnUVZ_sSdnZ2d@sedona.net:
<snip>
> We are the second owners of my daughter's '93 Accord,
> and the previous owner relied too much on Midas for service (original
> timing belt at 163K miles!) Still, we made it through about half a
> dozen do-it-myself oil changes before the oil drain bolt stripped. Had
> Midas been overtorqueing the bolt and it finally caught up with me?
> Dunno. But I suspect even torqueing "by the book" results in gradual
> erosion of the pan threads.
It does not. The single and sole cause of stripped oil pan drain bolt
threads is overtorquing.
Too many mechanics (even dealership ones, unfortunately) hand-torque the
bolt to save time, usually overdoing it by a considerable margin.
The first oil pan in my Integra made it barely 3 years with oil changes
exclusively by an Acura dealer. The second, well...It's still on there.
> I can testify that a mechanic can do it
> exactly right, even several times, and still the bolt may strip.
Unlikely. Do it right, right from the start, and that bolt will go a
long long time before it strips. And I mean a decade or more, or well
over 100 oil changes.
> It
> also seems to be a uniquely Honda phenomenon;
It is. It has to do with the way Honda makes the threads in the oil pan.
The official Honda cure is Heli-Coil.
--
TeGGeR®
The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/
news:f9CdnfJJV4O2KcTYnZ2dnUVZ_sSdnZ2d@sedona.net:
<snip>
> We are the second owners of my daughter's '93 Accord,
> and the previous owner relied too much on Midas for service (original
> timing belt at 163K miles!) Still, we made it through about half a
> dozen do-it-myself oil changes before the oil drain bolt stripped. Had
> Midas been overtorqueing the bolt and it finally caught up with me?
> Dunno. But I suspect even torqueing "by the book" results in gradual
> erosion of the pan threads.
It does not. The single and sole cause of stripped oil pan drain bolt
threads is overtorquing.
Too many mechanics (even dealership ones, unfortunately) hand-torque the
bolt to save time, usually overdoing it by a considerable margin.
The first oil pan in my Integra made it barely 3 years with oil changes
exclusively by an Acura dealer. The second, well...It's still on there.
> I can testify that a mechanic can do it
> exactly right, even several times, and still the bolt may strip.
Unlikely. Do it right, right from the start, and that bolt will go a
long long time before it strips. And I mean a decade or more, or well
over 100 oil changes.
> It
> also seems to be a uniquely Honda phenomenon;
It is. It has to do with the way Honda makes the threads in the oil pan.
The official Honda cure is Heli-Coil.
--
TeGGeR®
The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/