nm5k@wt.net wrote in
news:1181603958.417256.24590@k79g2000hse.googlegro ups.com:

> On Jun 11, 4:15 pm, Jim Yanik <jya...@abuse.gov> wrote:
>> celliot75 <craigellio...@gmail.com> wrote
>> innews:1181584298.215604.225410@h2g2000hsg.googleg roups.com:
>>
>> > Hi Guys,
>>
>> > You've helped me in the past, hope I can get your advice on my
>> > current problem. I have a 1996 honda accord LX that runs hot when
>> > I'm in stop and go traffic. On a straight away, the engine cools
>> > back down to the proper level. Also, when I'm stopped for awhile
>> > and the engine starts to over-heat....I noticed that the A/C would
>> > stop blowing cold air also ( could this be a switch problem of some
>> > sort, with the A/C fan). Right now I only drive the vehicle short
>> > distances, if its a situation where it begins to over-heat, I turn
>> > the car off until it's time to go again. Thank you in advace for
>> > any help you can provide me.
>>
>> > --Craig
>>
>> You need a new thermostat;use a genuine Honda TS for replacement.
>> They are not expensive.
>>
>> --
>> Jim Yanik
>> jyanik
>> at
>> kua.net
>
>
> Dunno.. I don't think it's the stat. If the stat stuck closed, it
> would
> overheat at any speed. The more I think about it, the more it sounds
> like the fans are not working.. You need the fans for both the engine
> cooling, and the A/C condensor. Being he's reporting that both are
> flaking out when still, kinda is making me lean to the fans being out.
> If you had a bad radiator, that shouldn't effect the heat transfer
> across
> the condensor, being they are separate coils. Well, unless the
> radiator
> was really clogged..
> So anyway, I'm starting to revise my first guess.. I'm starting to
> lean to
> the fan/s being out fer some reason..
> MK
>
>

I had the exact same problem symptoms with my 94 Integra GSR,and it was the
TS.
An OEM Honda TS will fail OPEN,so you don't overheat your motor.

The clue is that the motor cools down when she is moving,radiator problems
or low coolant will not do that.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

 

nm5k@wt.net wrote in
news:1181603958.417256.24590@k79g2000hse.googlegro ups.com:

> On Jun 11, 4:15 pm, Jim Yanik <jya...@abuse.gov> wrote:
>> celliot75 <craigellio...@gmail.com> wrote
>> innews:1181584298.215604.225410@h2g2000hsg.googleg roups.com:
>>
>> > Hi Guys,
>>
>> > You've helped me in the past, hope I can get your advice on my
>> > current problem. I have a 1996 honda accord LX that runs hot when
>> > I'm in stop and go traffic. On a straight away, the engine cools
>> > back down to the proper level. Also, when I'm stopped for awhile
>> > and the engine starts to over-heat....I noticed that the A/C would
>> > stop blowing cold air also ( could this be a switch problem of some
>> > sort, with the A/C fan). Right now I only drive the vehicle short
>> > distances, if its a situation where it begins to over-heat, I turn
>> > the car off until it's time to go again. Thank you in advace for
>> > any help you can provide me.
>>
>> > --Craig
>>
>> You need a new thermostat;use a genuine Honda TS for replacement.
>> They are not expensive.
>>
>> --
>> Jim Yanik
>> jyanik
>> at
>> kua.net
>
>
> Dunno.. I don't think it's the stat. If the stat stuck closed, it
> would
> overheat at any speed. The more I think about it, the more it sounds
> like the fans are not working.. You need the fans for both the engine
> cooling, and the A/C condensor. Being he's reporting that both are
> flaking out when still, kinda is making me lean to the fans being out.
> If you had a bad radiator, that shouldn't effect the heat transfer
> across
> the condensor, being they are separate coils. Well, unless the
> radiator
> was really clogged..
> So anyway, I'm starting to revise my first guess.. I'm starting to
> lean to
> the fan/s being out fer some reason..
> MK
>
>

I had the exact same problem symptoms with my 94 Integra GSR,and it was the
TS.
An OEM Honda TS will fail OPEN,so you don't overheat your motor.

The clue is that the motor cools down when she is moving,radiator problems
or low coolant will not do that.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

 

Zippo <special.hfx@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:1181607502.478524.152120@w5g2000hsg.googlegro ups.com:

> On Jun 11, 7:15 pm, Jim Yanik <jya...@abuse.gov> wrote:
>
>>
>> You need a new thermostat;use a genuine Honda TS for replacement.
>> They are not expensive.
>>
>> --
>> Jim Yanik
>> jyanik
>> at
>> kua.net
>
> Expensive to the Canadian consumer though.Paid $39 for one last
> week.Major rip-off.
>
>

Not really;getting a new head or the old one milled because it warps after
your motor overheats because a cheap TS failed -closed- instead of open
like an OEM Honda TS wiil,and also you can't depend on the aftermarket TS
being the right temp for your motor;the one I checked out at PepBoys said a
180 degF TS was right for my Integra,but the manual says it's a 195degF TS.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

 

Zippo <special.hfx@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:1181607502.478524.152120@w5g2000hsg.googlegro ups.com:

> On Jun 11, 7:15 pm, Jim Yanik <jya...@abuse.gov> wrote:
>
>>
>> You need a new thermostat;use a genuine Honda TS for replacement.
>> They are not expensive.
>>
>> --
>> Jim Yanik
>> jyanik
>> at
>> kua.net
>
> Expensive to the Canadian consumer though.Paid $39 for one last
> week.Major rip-off.
>
>

Not really;getting a new head or the old one milled because it warps after
your motor overheats because a cheap TS failed -closed- instead of open
like an OEM Honda TS wiil,and also you can't depend on the aftermarket TS
being the right temp for your motor;the one I checked out at PepBoys said a
180 degF TS was right for my Integra,but the manual says it's a 195degF TS.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

 

Jim Yanik wrote:

>
> I had the exact same problem symptoms with my 94 Integra GSR,and it was
> the TS.
> An OEM Honda TS will fail OPEN,so you don't overheat your motor.
>
> The clue is that the motor cools down when she is moving,radiator problems
> or low coolant will not do that.
>

But Fan problems will.

 

Jim Yanik wrote:

>
> I had the exact same problem symptoms with my 94 Integra GSR,and it was
> the TS.
> An OEM Honda TS will fail OPEN,so you don't overheat your motor.
>
> The clue is that the motor cools down when she is moving,radiator problems
> or low coolant will not do that.
>

But Fan problems will.

 

On Jun 11, 1:51 pm, celliot75 <craigellio...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Guys,
>
> You've helped me in the past, hope I can get your advice on my current
> problem. I have a 1996 honda accord LX that runs hot when I'm in stop
> and go traffic. On a straight away, the engine cools back down to the
> proper level. Also, when I'm stopped for awhile and the engine starts
> to over-heat....I noticed that the A/C would stop blowing cold air
> also ( could this be a switch problem of some sort, with the A/C
> fan). Right now I only drive the vehicle short distances, if its a
> situation where it begins to over-heat, I turn the car off until it's
> time to go again. Thank you in advace for any help you can provide
> me.
>
> --Craig

Theres a lot of really good advice here on this NG.I would check the
cooling fans first,
if they run at a stop then the next thing to check is the radiator and
TS

If you have never replaced the cooling liquid its possible you have a
plugged rad and it only runs cooler when at speed.

And a faulty TS although Honda Ts`s open on fault , not close.(been
there )

One thing nobody has mentiopned is the water pump . This also could be
a most likely spot to start looking.

When I had my `86 Accord I had the water pump changed at the same time
as the timing belt.

A water pump that has worn impellers will not produce a good flow
through the rad at idle but will at speed because it is running a lot
faster.+ you have better airflow through the rad.

And yes , the impellers do get worn.


hope this helps

 

On Jun 11, 1:51 pm, celliot75 <craigellio...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Guys,
>
> You've helped me in the past, hope I can get your advice on my current
> problem. I have a 1996 honda accord LX that runs hot when I'm in stop
> and go traffic. On a straight away, the engine cools back down to the
> proper level. Also, when I'm stopped for awhile and the engine starts
> to over-heat....I noticed that the A/C would stop blowing cold air
> also ( could this be a switch problem of some sort, with the A/C
> fan). Right now I only drive the vehicle short distances, if its a
> situation where it begins to over-heat, I turn the car off until it's
> time to go again. Thank you in advace for any help you can provide
> me.
>
> --Craig

Theres a lot of really good advice here on this NG.I would check the
cooling fans first,
if they run at a stop then the next thing to check is the radiator and
TS

If you have never replaced the cooling liquid its possible you have a
plugged rad and it only runs cooler when at speed.

And a faulty TS although Honda Ts`s open on fault , not close.(been
there )

One thing nobody has mentiopned is the water pump . This also could be
a most likely spot to start looking.

When I had my `86 Accord I had the water pump changed at the same time
as the timing belt.

A water pump that has worn impellers will not produce a good flow
through the rad at idle but will at speed because it is running a lot
faster.+ you have better airflow through the rad.

And yes , the impellers do get worn.


hope this helps

 

Joe LaVigne <jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com> wrote in
news:f4lcct$8s2$1@aioe.org:

> Jim Yanik wrote:
>
>>
>> I had the exact same problem symptoms with my 94 Integra GSR,and it
>> was the TS.
>> An OEM Honda TS will fail OPEN,so you don't overheat your motor.
>>
>> The clue is that the motor cools down when she is moving,radiator
>> problems or low coolant will not do that.
>>
>
> But Fan problems will.
>
>

A fan problem would be easy to check.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

 

Joe LaVigne <jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com> wrote in
news:f4lcct$8s2$1@aioe.org:

> Jim Yanik wrote:
>
>>
>> I had the exact same problem symptoms with my 94 Integra GSR,and it
>> was the TS.
>> An OEM Honda TS will fail OPEN,so you don't overheat your motor.
>>
>> The clue is that the motor cools down when she is moving,radiator
>> problems or low coolant will not do that.
>>
>
> But Fan problems will.
>
>

A fan problem would be easy to check.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

 

mred wrote:
> On Jun 11, 1:51 pm, celliot75 <craigellio...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi Guys,
>>
>> You've helped me in the past, hope I can get your advice on my current
>> problem. I have a 1996 honda accord LX that runs hot when I'm in stop
>> and go traffic. On a straight away, the engine cools back down to the
>> proper level. Also, when I'm stopped for awhile and the engine starts
>> to over-heat....I noticed that the A/C would stop blowing cold air
>> also ( could this be a switch problem of some sort, with the A/C
>> fan). Right now I only drive the vehicle short distances, if its a
>> situation where it begins to over-heat, I turn the car off until it's
>> time to go again. Thank you in advace for any help you can provide
>> me.
>>
>> --Craig
>
> Theres a lot of really good advice here on this NG.I would check the
> cooling fans first,
> if they run at a stop then the next thing to check is the radiator and
> TS
>
> If you have never replaced the cooling liquid its possible you have a
> plugged rad and it only runs cooler when at speed.
>
> And a faulty TS although Honda Ts`s open on fault , not close.(been
> there )
>
> One thing nobody has mentiopned is the water pump . This also could be
> a most likely spot to start looking.
>
> When I had my `86 Accord I had the water pump changed at the same time
> as the timing belt.
>
> A water pump that has worn impellers will not produce a good flow
> through the rad at idle but will at speed because it is running a lot
> faster.+ you have better airflow through the rad.
>
> And yes , the impellers do get worn.

how? they don't touch anything.

>
>
> hope this helps
>

 

mred wrote:
> On Jun 11, 1:51 pm, celliot75 <craigellio...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi Guys,
>>
>> You've helped me in the past, hope I can get your advice on my current
>> problem. I have a 1996 honda accord LX that runs hot when I'm in stop
>> and go traffic. On a straight away, the engine cools back down to the
>> proper level. Also, when I'm stopped for awhile and the engine starts
>> to over-heat....I noticed that the A/C would stop blowing cold air
>> also ( could this be a switch problem of some sort, with the A/C
>> fan). Right now I only drive the vehicle short distances, if its a
>> situation where it begins to over-heat, I turn the car off until it's
>> time to go again. Thank you in advace for any help you can provide
>> me.
>>
>> --Craig
>
> Theres a lot of really good advice here on this NG.I would check the
> cooling fans first,
> if they run at a stop then the next thing to check is the radiator and
> TS
>
> If you have never replaced the cooling liquid its possible you have a
> plugged rad and it only runs cooler when at speed.
>
> And a faulty TS although Honda Ts`s open on fault , not close.(been
> there )
>
> One thing nobody has mentiopned is the water pump . This also could be
> a most likely spot to start looking.
>
> When I had my `86 Accord I had the water pump changed at the same time
> as the timing belt.
>
> A water pump that has worn impellers will not produce a good flow
> through the rad at idle but will at speed because it is running a lot
> faster.+ you have better airflow through the rad.
>
> And yes , the impellers do get worn.

how? they don't touch anything.

>
>
> hope this helps
>

 

On Jun 12, 9:01 am, Jim Yanik <jya...@abuse.gov> wrote:
> Joe LaVigne <jlavi...@hits-buffalo.com> wrote innews:f4lcct$8s2$1@aioe.org:
>
> > Jim Yanik wrote:
>
> >> I had the exact same problem symptoms with my 94 Integra GSR,and it
> >> was the TS.
> >> An OEM Honda TS will fail OPEN,so you don't overheat your motor.
>
> >> The clue is that the motor cools down when she is moving,radiator
> >> problems or low coolant will not do that.
>
> > But Fan problems will.
>
> A fan problem would be easy to check.
>
> --
> Jim Yanik
> jyanik
> at
> kua.net

Hi All,

I did notice something else when stopped for an extended period of
time. I noticed when stopped and the A/C starts to blow lukewarm air,
I can also hear either the A/C compressor or one of the Fans kicking
on and off....RPM meter goes up and down during this period, but it
eventually goes back to normal. I have now stopped driving the
vehicle until I get it fixed, I will be changing the TS (OEM as
suggested) and monitoring the radiator fluid levels. On checking the
fans, should the radiator fan kick in, when the TS opens? Any
suggestions on clues I should look for when checking out the fans?
Thanks again for all your help, this string as been very fullfilling
with knowledge.

--Craig

 

On Jun 12, 9:01 am, Jim Yanik <jya...@abuse.gov> wrote:
> Joe LaVigne <jlavi...@hits-buffalo.com> wrote innews:f4lcct$8s2$1@aioe.org:
>
> > Jim Yanik wrote:
>
> >> I had the exact same problem symptoms with my 94 Integra GSR,and it
> >> was the TS.
> >> An OEM Honda TS will fail OPEN,so you don't overheat your motor.
>
> >> The clue is that the motor cools down when she is moving,radiator
> >> problems or low coolant will not do that.
>
> > But Fan problems will.
>
> A fan problem would be easy to check.
>
> --
> Jim Yanik
> jyanik
> at
> kua.net

Hi All,

I did notice something else when stopped for an extended period of
time. I noticed when stopped and the A/C starts to blow lukewarm air,
I can also hear either the A/C compressor or one of the Fans kicking
on and off....RPM meter goes up and down during this period, but it
eventually goes back to normal. I have now stopped driving the
vehicle until I get it fixed, I will be changing the TS (OEM as
suggested) and monitoring the radiator fluid levels. On checking the
fans, should the radiator fan kick in, when the TS opens? Any
suggestions on clues I should look for when checking out the fans?
Thanks again for all your help, this string as been very fullfilling
with knowledge.

--Craig

 

The next time it overheats, pop the hoold and look at the coolant overflow
tank. If it looks like it's boiling, you've blown a head gasket.

I had the exact same symptons. I tried all the easy fixes. It was the
Headgasket. This was a Civic. Repair was about $800.

G-Man



"celliot75" <craigelliot75@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Hi Guys,
>
> You've helped me in the past, hope I can get your advice on my current
> problem. I have a 1996 honda accord LX that runs hot when I'm in stop
> and go traffic. On a straight away, the engine cools back down to the
> proper level. Also, when I'm stopped for awhile and the engine starts
> to over-heat....I noticed that the A/C would stop blowing cold air
> also ( could this be a switch problem of some sort, with the A/C
> fan). Right now I only drive the vehicle short distances, if its a
> situation where it begins to over-heat, I turn the car off until it's
> time to go again. Thank you in advace for any help you can provide
> me.
>
> --Craig
>