On 7/19/04 8:38 PM, in article
TI_Kc.7730$mL5.5510@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.n et, "Larry B"
<hatespam@hatespam.gov> wrote:

>
> "E. Meyer" <e52.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org> wrote in message
> news:BD21B6DC.8D8A4%e52.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org...
>> On 7/19/04 5:15 PM, in article
>> aKXKc.8541$Qu5.8537@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.n et, "Larry B."
>> <gitridaspam@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "E. Meyer" <e52.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org> wrote in message
>>> news:BD214857.8D639%e52.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org...
>>>> On 7/18/04 11:22 PM, in article
>>>> 40IKc.7003$mL5.5054@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.n et, "Larry B"
>>>> <hatespam@hatespam.gov> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "E. Meyer" <e52.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org> wrote in message
>>>>> news:BD20453D.8D4F9%e52.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org...
>>>>>> On 7/18/04 2:13 PM, in article
>>>>>> 6ZzKc.7387$Qu5.2788@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.n et, "Larry B"
>>>>>> <hatespam@hatespam.gov> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "motsco_ _" <"motsco_ _"@interbaun.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:40F9F2A4.5060500@interbaun.com...
>>>>>>>> Larry B wrote:
>>>>>>>>> In the last 2 weeks the Check Engine Light came on twice without
> any
>>>>>>>>> symptoms (both times on the freeway).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As soon as I shut the engine off and turned it right back on, the
>>>>> light
>>>>>>> did
>>>>>>>>> not return.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What are your thoughts? Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Larry
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> (95 Odyssey- 104k miles)
>>>>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Larry, your car isn't OBDII compliant, but you can read the 'flash
>>>>>>>> codes' yourself...(do a google search). Have you lost your gas cap,
>>> or
>>>>>>>> overfilled (intentionally) in the last while?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No sign of misfire / plugged air filter / overheating?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 'Curly'
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Curly,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Naw, everything seems ok. Gas cap, misfire, etc, are OK. On the net
>>>>> there
>>>>>>> seems to be a lot of discussion about 4th gear torque converter
>>> lock-ups
>>>>> or
>>>>>>> a longer than 1.5 second lock up tripping the ck engine light. As
> it
>>>>> is
>>>>>>> only happening at freeway speeds, it is suspicious. Two questions
>>>>> regarding
>>>>>>> reading the MIL flashes-
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1. For 95, I need to hook up the SCS check connector. Is that
>>> something
>>>>> that
>>>>>>> Auto Zone would have for me to use?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2. The SCS service connector is located under the right side of the
>>>>>>> instrument panel. Does that mean under the dash below the ignition
>>>>> switch??
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks, Larry
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Traditionally, a bent paper clip is used as a functional substitute
> for
>>>>> the
>>>>>> SCS check connector. The connector is under the left edge of the
> glove
>>>>> box,
>>>>>> just behind the bottom edge of the dash.
>>>>>>
>>>>> I am definately up for paper clip technology. Since I haven't used or
>>> seen
>>>>> the SCS check connector, anything I need to know??
>>>>>
>>>>> Lar
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> On the '96 (I assume '95 will be similar), there is a a receptacle for
> the
>>>> connector mounted to the back of the dash. Just look for a two pin
>>>> connector plugged into a receptacle that doesn't have any wires coming
> out
>>>> the other end and that will be the SCS connector.
>>>>
>>>> To make it blink out a code, you short the connector, then turn the key
> to
>>>> the run position (warning lights on, but don't start the engine). The
>>> codes
>>>> range from 1 to 86. Let me know what you get and I'll look it up in
> the
>>> FSM
>>>> for you.
>>>>
>>>> To reset it (and clear the codes), turn the key to OFF, remove the SCS
>>>> connector (paper clip), and pull the 7.5 amp fuse marked "Back up
> (Radio)"
>>>> in the underhood fuse box for 10 seconds.
>>>>
>>> Will it blink out the code on the ck engine light or on the ECU? If the
> ECU,
>>> where is that?
>>>
>>> Thanks, Larry
>>>
>>>
>>
>> It blinks the check engine light.
>>
>>
> OK, I did it.
>
> It blinked 4 times slowly, followed by 3 times quickly.... 43??
>
> Does that mean fuel supply system??
>
>

43 does mean fuel supply system. Unfortunately, my FSM is for the '96
Odyssey and they no longer used that code in '96, so my book doesn't give
any specific info on what to check.

The fuel supply system includes the tank, pump, sending unit, fuel lines,
injectors & evap canister.

Since the evap system is included, I would start with checking the vacuum
lines connected to the evap & make sure the gas cap is good.

If anybody has an FSM for a '95 Odyssey or 4 cylinder Accord, now would be
the time to jump in.

 

On 7/19/04 8:38 PM, in article
TI_Kc.7730$mL5.5510@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.n et, "Larry B"
<hatespam@hatespam.gov> wrote:

>
> "E. Meyer" <e52.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org> wrote in message
> news:BD21B6DC.8D8A4%e52.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org...
>> On 7/19/04 5:15 PM, in article
>> aKXKc.8541$Qu5.8537@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.n et, "Larry B."
>> <gitridaspam@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "E. Meyer" <e52.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org> wrote in message
>>> news:BD214857.8D639%e52.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org...
>>>> On 7/18/04 11:22 PM, in article
>>>> 40IKc.7003$mL5.5054@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.n et, "Larry B"
>>>> <hatespam@hatespam.gov> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "E. Meyer" <e52.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org> wrote in message
>>>>> news:BD20453D.8D4F9%e52.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org...
>>>>>> On 7/18/04 2:13 PM, in article
>>>>>> 6ZzKc.7387$Qu5.2788@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.n et, "Larry B"
>>>>>> <hatespam@hatespam.gov> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "motsco_ _" <"motsco_ _"@interbaun.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:40F9F2A4.5060500@interbaun.com...
>>>>>>>> Larry B wrote:
>>>>>>>>> In the last 2 weeks the Check Engine Light came on twice without
> any
>>>>>>>>> symptoms (both times on the freeway).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As soon as I shut the engine off and turned it right back on, the
>>>>> light
>>>>>>> did
>>>>>>>>> not return.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What are your thoughts? Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Larry
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> (95 Odyssey- 104k miles)
>>>>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Larry, your car isn't OBDII compliant, but you can read the 'flash
>>>>>>>> codes' yourself...(do a google search). Have you lost your gas cap,
>>> or
>>>>>>>> overfilled (intentionally) in the last while?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No sign of misfire / plugged air filter / overheating?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 'Curly'
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Curly,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Naw, everything seems ok. Gas cap, misfire, etc, are OK. On the net
>>>>> there
>>>>>>> seems to be a lot of discussion about 4th gear torque converter
>>> lock-ups
>>>>> or
>>>>>>> a longer than 1.5 second lock up tripping the ck engine light. As
> it
>>>>> is
>>>>>>> only happening at freeway speeds, it is suspicious. Two questions
>>>>> regarding
>>>>>>> reading the MIL flashes-
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1. For 95, I need to hook up the SCS check connector. Is that
>>> something
>>>>> that
>>>>>>> Auto Zone would have for me to use?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2. The SCS service connector is located under the right side of the
>>>>>>> instrument panel. Does that mean under the dash below the ignition
>>>>> switch??
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks, Larry
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Traditionally, a bent paper clip is used as a functional substitute
> for
>>>>> the
>>>>>> SCS check connector. The connector is under the left edge of the
> glove
>>>>> box,
>>>>>> just behind the bottom edge of the dash.
>>>>>>
>>>>> I am definately up for paper clip technology. Since I haven't used or
>>> seen
>>>>> the SCS check connector, anything I need to know??
>>>>>
>>>>> Lar
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> On the '96 (I assume '95 will be similar), there is a a receptacle for
> the
>>>> connector mounted to the back of the dash. Just look for a two pin
>>>> connector plugged into a receptacle that doesn't have any wires coming
> out
>>>> the other end and that will be the SCS connector.
>>>>
>>>> To make it blink out a code, you short the connector, then turn the key
> to
>>>> the run position (warning lights on, but don't start the engine). The
>>> codes
>>>> range from 1 to 86. Let me know what you get and I'll look it up in
> the
>>> FSM
>>>> for you.
>>>>
>>>> To reset it (and clear the codes), turn the key to OFF, remove the SCS
>>>> connector (paper clip), and pull the 7.5 amp fuse marked "Back up
> (Radio)"
>>>> in the underhood fuse box for 10 seconds.
>>>>
>>> Will it blink out the code on the ck engine light or on the ECU? If the
> ECU,
>>> where is that?
>>>
>>> Thanks, Larry
>>>
>>>
>>
>> It blinks the check engine light.
>>
>>
> OK, I did it.
>
> It blinked 4 times slowly, followed by 3 times quickly.... 43??
>
> Does that mean fuel supply system??
>
>

43 does mean fuel supply system. Unfortunately, my FSM is for the '96
Odyssey and they no longer used that code in '96, so my book doesn't give
any specific info on what to check.

The fuel supply system includes the tank, pump, sending unit, fuel lines,
injectors & evap canister.

Since the evap system is included, I would start with checking the vacuum
lines connected to the evap & make sure the gas cap is good.

If anybody has an FSM for a '95 Odyssey or 4 cylinder Accord, now would be
the time to jump in.

 

"Larry B" <hatespam@hatespam.gov> wrote in message
news:ROSJc.4531$mL5.746@newsread1.news.pas.earthli nk.net...
> In the last 2 weeks the Check Engine Light came on twice without any
> symptoms (both times on the freeway).
>
> As soon as I shut the engine off and turned it right back on, the light
did
> not return.
>
> What are your thoughts? Thanks,
>
> Larry
>
> (95 Odyssey- 104k miles)
>
Regarding my comment from above.. "As soon as I shut the engine off and
turned it right back on, the light did
not return"


Once the CEL goes on, is it typical (by design) that it stays on until the
car is turned off, even if the condition that triggered it is only momentary
in nature?

Thanks, Larry

 

"Larry B" <hatespam@hatespam.gov> wrote in message
news:ROSJc.4531$mL5.746@newsread1.news.pas.earthli nk.net...
> In the last 2 weeks the Check Engine Light came on twice without any
> symptoms (both times on the freeway).
>
> As soon as I shut the engine off and turned it right back on, the light
did
> not return.
>
> What are your thoughts? Thanks,
>
> Larry
>
> (95 Odyssey- 104k miles)
>
Regarding my comment from above.. "As soon as I shut the engine off and
turned it right back on, the light did
not return"


Once the CEL goes on, is it typical (by design) that it stays on until the
car is turned off, even if the condition that triggered it is only momentary
in nature?

Thanks, Larry

 

<snip >
> >
>
> 43 does mean fuel supply system. Unfortunately, my FSM is for the '96
> Odyssey and they no longer used that code in '96, so my book doesn't give
> any specific info on what to check.
>
> The fuel supply system includes the tank, pump, sending unit, fuel lines,
> injectors & evap canister.
>
> Since the evap system is included, I would start with checking the vacuum
> lines connected to the evap & make sure the gas cap is good.
>
> If anybody has an FSM for a '95 Odyssey or 4 cylinder Accord, now would be
> the time to jump in.
>

I found a copy of the FSM and 43 has a bit of an analysis chart to it. In
general, it seems to be pointing to the O2 sensor but I have to check
voltages here and there to determine if it is a connection or wiring issue.
Does not seem to be trani related at all.

Since this CEL is so sporadic (2x in 3 weeks) should I not even worry about
it??

 

<snip >
> >
>
> 43 does mean fuel supply system. Unfortunately, my FSM is for the '96
> Odyssey and they no longer used that code in '96, so my book doesn't give
> any specific info on what to check.
>
> The fuel supply system includes the tank, pump, sending unit, fuel lines,
> injectors & evap canister.
>
> Since the evap system is included, I would start with checking the vacuum
> lines connected to the evap & make sure the gas cap is good.
>
> If anybody has an FSM for a '95 Odyssey or 4 cylinder Accord, now would be
> the time to jump in.
>

I found a copy of the FSM and 43 has a bit of an analysis chart to it. In
general, it seems to be pointing to the O2 sensor but I have to check
voltages here and there to determine if it is a connection or wiring issue.
Does not seem to be trani related at all.

Since this CEL is so sporadic (2x in 3 weeks) should I not even worry about
it??

 

On 7/20/04 5:59 PM, in article
YshLc.8507$mL5.6767@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.n et, "Larry B."
<gitridaspam@aol.com> wrote:

> <snip >
>>>
>>
>> 43 does mean fuel supply system. Unfortunately, my FSM is for the '96
>> Odyssey and they no longer used that code in '96, so my book doesn't give
>> any specific info on what to check.
>>
>> The fuel supply system includes the tank, pump, sending unit, fuel lines,
>> injectors & evap canister.
>>
>> Since the evap system is included, I would start with checking the vacuum
>> lines connected to the evap & make sure the gas cap is good.
>>
>> If anybody has an FSM for a '95 Odyssey or 4 cylinder Accord, now would be
>> the time to jump in.
>>
>
> I found a copy of the FSM and 43 has a bit of an analysis chart to it. In
> general, it seems to be pointing to the O2 sensor but I have to check
> voltages here and there to determine if it is a connection or wiring issue.
> Does not seem to be trani related at all.
>
> Since this CEL is so sporadic (2x in 3 weeks) should I not even worry about
> it??
>
>
>
Pull the fuse for 10 seconds and reset it. If it comes back on, then check
it again & proceed accordingly.

 

On 7/20/04 5:59 PM, in article
YshLc.8507$mL5.6767@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.n et, "Larry B."
<gitridaspam@aol.com> wrote:

> <snip >
>>>
>>
>> 43 does mean fuel supply system. Unfortunately, my FSM is for the '96
>> Odyssey and they no longer used that code in '96, so my book doesn't give
>> any specific info on what to check.
>>
>> The fuel supply system includes the tank, pump, sending unit, fuel lines,
>> injectors & evap canister.
>>
>> Since the evap system is included, I would start with checking the vacuum
>> lines connected to the evap & make sure the gas cap is good.
>>
>> If anybody has an FSM for a '95 Odyssey or 4 cylinder Accord, now would be
>> the time to jump in.
>>
>
> I found a copy of the FSM and 43 has a bit of an analysis chart to it. In
> general, it seems to be pointing to the O2 sensor but I have to check
> voltages here and there to determine if it is a connection or wiring issue.
> Does not seem to be trani related at all.
>
> Since this CEL is so sporadic (2x in 3 weeks) should I not even worry about
> it??
>
>
>
Pull the fuse for 10 seconds and reset it. If it comes back on, then check
it again & proceed accordingly.