Raj wrote:

> == snip ==
> >
> > I learned a little trick about jump starting several years ago. When the
> > battery is totally dead or almost totally dead, use this trick or tip.
> > Connect the jumper cables and start the vehicle that has the good battery.
> > Wait about 5 minutes before you try to start the vehicle with the dead
> > battery.If it does not start--wait 5 more minutes before you try again.
>
> That's funny, someone told me the exact same thing at work. I tried
> that trick tonight and I just happened to wait about 15 minutes in
> between 3 tries. Darn thing still wouldn't start! But the 45 minutes
> of charging brought Accord's battery back from dead :-) It's not fully
> charged but better that fully dead.
> I did notice tonight that it was having trouble when I cranked it. It
> didn't seem like the *normal* cranking sound, it seemed more
> *laborious* for a lack of better term. So what should my next step be
> guys? Sure appreciate all the great help I have been receiving.
>
> Thanks again.
>
> Raj

sounds like a timing belt has slipped/broke.
search the messages and you will find many articles on how to visually
check for this problem.

 

Raj wrote:

> == snip ==
> >
> > I learned a little trick about jump starting several years ago. When the
> > battery is totally dead or almost totally dead, use this trick or tip.
> > Connect the jumper cables and start the vehicle that has the good battery.
> > Wait about 5 minutes before you try to start the vehicle with the dead
> > battery.If it does not start--wait 5 more minutes before you try again.
>
> That's funny, someone told me the exact same thing at work. I tried
> that trick tonight and I just happened to wait about 15 minutes in
> between 3 tries. Darn thing still wouldn't start! But the 45 minutes
> of charging brought Accord's battery back from dead :-) It's not fully
> charged but better that fully dead.
> I did notice tonight that it was having trouble when I cranked it. It
> didn't seem like the *normal* cranking sound, it seemed more
> *laborious* for a lack of better term. So what should my next step be
> guys? Sure appreciate all the great help I have been receiving.
>
> Thanks again.
>
> Raj

sounds like a timing belt has slipped/broke.
search the messages and you will find many articles on how to visually
check for this problem.

 

Raj wrote:

> == snip ==
> >
> > I learned a little trick about jump starting several years ago. When the
> > battery is totally dead or almost totally dead, use this trick or tip.
> > Connect the jumper cables and start the vehicle that has the good battery.
> > Wait about 5 minutes before you try to start the vehicle with the dead
> > battery.If it does not start--wait 5 more minutes before you try again.
>
> That's funny, someone told me the exact same thing at work. I tried
> that trick tonight and I just happened to wait about 15 minutes in
> between 3 tries. Darn thing still wouldn't start! But the 45 minutes
> of charging brought Accord's battery back from dead :-) It's not fully
> charged but better that fully dead.
> I did notice tonight that it was having trouble when I cranked it. It
> didn't seem like the *normal* cranking sound, it seemed more
> *laborious* for a lack of better term. So what should my next step be
> guys? Sure appreciate all the great help I have been receiving.
>
> Thanks again.
>
> Raj

sounds like a timing belt has slipped/broke.
search the messages and you will find many articles on how to visually
check for this problem.

 

"123.bam" <"123.bam a"@ hotmail.com> wrote in
news:HpsIno.MKG@news.boeing.com:

> Raj wrote:
>
>> == snip ==
>> >
>> > I learned a little trick about jump starting several years ago.
>> > When the battery is totally dead or almost totally dead, use this
>> > trick or tip. Connect the jumper cables and start the vehicle that
>> > has the good battery. Wait about 5 minutes before you try to start
>> > the vehicle with the dead battery.If it does not start--wait 5 more
>> > minutes before you try again.
>>
>> That's funny, someone told me the exact same thing at work. I tried
>> that trick tonight and I just happened to wait about 15 minutes in
>> between 3 tries. Darn thing still wouldn't start! But the 45 minutes
>> of charging brought Accord's battery back from dead :-) It's not
>> fully charged but better that fully dead.
>> I did notice tonight that it was having trouble when I cranked it. It
>> didn't seem like the *normal* cranking sound, it seemed more
>> *laborious* for a lack of better term. So what should my next step be
>> guys? Sure appreciate all the great help I have been receiving.
>>
>> Thanks again.
>>
>> Raj
>
> sounds like a timing belt has slipped/broke.
> search the messages and you will find many articles on how to visually
> check for this problem.
>
>

Not even close.If the timing belt breaks the motor will either spin VERY
freely if a non-interference motor,or not spin at all when the piston
strikes an open valve.


--
Jim Yanik,NRA member
jyanik-at-kua.net

 

"123.bam" <"123.bam a"@ hotmail.com> wrote in
news:HpsIno.MKG@news.boeing.com:

> Raj wrote:
>
>> == snip ==
>> >
>> > I learned a little trick about jump starting several years ago.
>> > When the battery is totally dead or almost totally dead, use this
>> > trick or tip. Connect the jumper cables and start the vehicle that
>> > has the good battery. Wait about 5 minutes before you try to start
>> > the vehicle with the dead battery.If it does not start--wait 5 more
>> > minutes before you try again.
>>
>> That's funny, someone told me the exact same thing at work. I tried
>> that trick tonight and I just happened to wait about 15 minutes in
>> between 3 tries. Darn thing still wouldn't start! But the 45 minutes
>> of charging brought Accord's battery back from dead :-) It's not
>> fully charged but better that fully dead.
>> I did notice tonight that it was having trouble when I cranked it. It
>> didn't seem like the *normal* cranking sound, it seemed more
>> *laborious* for a lack of better term. So what should my next step be
>> guys? Sure appreciate all the great help I have been receiving.
>>
>> Thanks again.
>>
>> Raj
>
> sounds like a timing belt has slipped/broke.
> search the messages and you will find many articles on how to visually
> check for this problem.
>
>

Not even close.If the timing belt breaks the motor will either spin VERY
freely if a non-interference motor,or not spin at all when the piston
strikes an open valve.


--
Jim Yanik,NRA member
jyanik-at-kua.net

 

"123.bam" <"123.bam a"@ hotmail.com> wrote in
news:HpsIno.MKG@news.boeing.com:

> Raj wrote:
>
>> == snip ==
>> >
>> > I learned a little trick about jump starting several years ago.
>> > When the battery is totally dead or almost totally dead, use this
>> > trick or tip. Connect the jumper cables and start the vehicle that
>> > has the good battery. Wait about 5 minutes before you try to start
>> > the vehicle with the dead battery.If it does not start--wait 5 more
>> > minutes before you try again.
>>
>> That's funny, someone told me the exact same thing at work. I tried
>> that trick tonight and I just happened to wait about 15 minutes in
>> between 3 tries. Darn thing still wouldn't start! But the 45 minutes
>> of charging brought Accord's battery back from dead :-) It's not
>> fully charged but better that fully dead.
>> I did notice tonight that it was having trouble when I cranked it. It
>> didn't seem like the *normal* cranking sound, it seemed more
>> *laborious* for a lack of better term. So what should my next step be
>> guys? Sure appreciate all the great help I have been receiving.
>>
>> Thanks again.
>>
>> Raj
>
> sounds like a timing belt has slipped/broke.
> search the messages and you will find many articles on how to visually
> check for this problem.
>
>

Not even close.If the timing belt breaks the motor will either spin VERY
freely if a non-interference motor,or not spin at all when the piston
strikes an open valve.


--
Jim Yanik,NRA member
jyanik-at-kua.net

 

"123.bam" <"123.bam a"@ hotmail.com> wrote in
news:HpsIno.MKG@news.boeing.com:

> Raj wrote:
>
>> == snip ==
>> >
>> > I learned a little trick about jump starting several years ago.
>> > When the battery is totally dead or almost totally dead, use this
>> > trick or tip. Connect the jumper cables and start the vehicle that
>> > has the good battery. Wait about 5 minutes before you try to start
>> > the vehicle with the dead battery.If it does not start--wait 5 more
>> > minutes before you try again.
>>
>> That's funny, someone told me the exact same thing at work. I tried
>> that trick tonight and I just happened to wait about 15 minutes in
>> between 3 tries. Darn thing still wouldn't start! But the 45 minutes
>> of charging brought Accord's battery back from dead :-) It's not
>> fully charged but better that fully dead.
>> I did notice tonight that it was having trouble when I cranked it. It
>> didn't seem like the *normal* cranking sound, it seemed more
>> *laborious* for a lack of better term. So what should my next step be
>> guys? Sure appreciate all the great help I have been receiving.
>>
>> Thanks again.
>>
>> Raj
>
> sounds like a timing belt has slipped/broke.
> search the messages and you will find many articles on how to visually
> check for this problem.
>
>

Not even close.If the timing belt breaks the motor will either spin VERY
freely if a non-interference motor,or not spin at all when the piston
strikes an open valve.


--
Jim Yanik,NRA member
jyanik-at-kua.net

 

You might want to try pulling a spark plug. As soon as you get it out
smell it for any traces of gas. If you sell any you're obviously
getting gas to that cylinder (and probably the others).

The next step would be to test for spark. You can reattach the spark
plug wire to the removed spark plug and lay it against the closest
bare metal engine part (thread part of the plug touching it). Then
have a helper crank the engine a couple of seconds and observe the
removed spark plug. You should be able to see the spark jump from the
inner electrode to the spark plugs ground electrode.

I doubt you have a timing belt problem. If the car was previously
running and you shut it off it's unlikely the belt either slipped of
broke the next time you went to start it. Most likely the problem
would be fuel or ignition (main relay turns on the ECU besides the
fuel pump).
I think all Honda engines are interference engines. Meaning if the
piston and the valve get out of synch (slipped of broken timing belt)
there will be great possibility the two will contact each other, The
result is usually bending the valve(s).



On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 02:53:51 +0000 (UTC), Jim Yanik <jyanik@abuse.gov>
wrote:

>"123.bam" <"123.bam a"@ hotmail.com> wrote in
>news:HpsIno.MKG@news.boeing.com:
>
>> Raj wrote:
>>
>>> == snip ==
>>> >
>>> > I learned a little trick about jump starting several years ago.
>>> > When the battery is totally dead or almost totally dead, use this
>>> > trick or tip. Connect the jumper cables and start the vehicle that
>>> > has the good battery. Wait about 5 minutes before you try to start
>>> > the vehicle with the dead battery.If it does not start--wait 5 more
>>> > minutes before you try again.
>>>
>>> That's funny, someone told me the exact same thing at work. I tried
>>> that trick tonight and I just happened to wait about 15 minutes in
>>> between 3 tries. Darn thing still wouldn't start! But the 45 minutes
>>> of charging brought Accord's battery back from dead :-) It's not
>>> fully charged but better that fully dead.
>>> I did notice tonight that it was having trouble when I cranked it. It
>>> didn't seem like the *normal* cranking sound, it seemed more
>>> *laborious* for a lack of better term. So what should my next step be
>>> guys? Sure appreciate all the great help I have been receiving.
>>>
>>> Thanks again.
>>>
>>> Raj
>>
>> sounds like a timing belt has slipped/broke.
>> search the messages and you will find many articles on how to visually
>> check for this problem.
>>
>>
>
>Not even close.If the timing belt breaks the motor will either spin VERY
>freely if a non-interference motor,or not spin at all when the piston
>strikes an open valve.

 

You might want to try pulling a spark plug. As soon as you get it out
smell it for any traces of gas. If you sell any you're obviously
getting gas to that cylinder (and probably the others).

The next step would be to test for spark. You can reattach the spark
plug wire to the removed spark plug and lay it against the closest
bare metal engine part (thread part of the plug touching it). Then
have a helper crank the engine a couple of seconds and observe the
removed spark plug. You should be able to see the spark jump from the
inner electrode to the spark plugs ground electrode.

I doubt you have a timing belt problem. If the car was previously
running and you shut it off it's unlikely the belt either slipped of
broke the next time you went to start it. Most likely the problem
would be fuel or ignition (main relay turns on the ECU besides the
fuel pump).
I think all Honda engines are interference engines. Meaning if the
piston and the valve get out of synch (slipped of broken timing belt)
there will be great possibility the two will contact each other, The
result is usually bending the valve(s).



On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 02:53:51 +0000 (UTC), Jim Yanik <jyanik@abuse.gov>
wrote:

>"123.bam" <"123.bam a"@ hotmail.com> wrote in
>news:HpsIno.MKG@news.boeing.com:
>
>> Raj wrote:
>>
>>> == snip ==
>>> >
>>> > I learned a little trick about jump starting several years ago.
>>> > When the battery is totally dead or almost totally dead, use this
>>> > trick or tip. Connect the jumper cables and start the vehicle that
>>> > has the good battery. Wait about 5 minutes before you try to start
>>> > the vehicle with the dead battery.If it does not start--wait 5 more
>>> > minutes before you try again.
>>>
>>> That's funny, someone told me the exact same thing at work. I tried
>>> that trick tonight and I just happened to wait about 15 minutes in
>>> between 3 tries. Darn thing still wouldn't start! But the 45 minutes
>>> of charging brought Accord's battery back from dead :-) It's not
>>> fully charged but better that fully dead.
>>> I did notice tonight that it was having trouble when I cranked it. It
>>> didn't seem like the *normal* cranking sound, it seemed more
>>> *laborious* for a lack of better term. So what should my next step be
>>> guys? Sure appreciate all the great help I have been receiving.
>>>
>>> Thanks again.
>>>
>>> Raj
>>
>> sounds like a timing belt has slipped/broke.
>> search the messages and you will find many articles on how to visually
>> check for this problem.
>>
>>
>
>Not even close.If the timing belt breaks the motor will either spin VERY
>freely if a non-interference motor,or not spin at all when the piston
>strikes an open valve.

 

You might want to try pulling a spark plug. As soon as you get it out
smell it for any traces of gas. If you sell any you're obviously
getting gas to that cylinder (and probably the others).

The next step would be to test for spark. You can reattach the spark
plug wire to the removed spark plug and lay it against the closest
bare metal engine part (thread part of the plug touching it). Then
have a helper crank the engine a couple of seconds and observe the
removed spark plug. You should be able to see the spark jump from the
inner electrode to the spark plugs ground electrode.

I doubt you have a timing belt problem. If the car was previously
running and you shut it off it's unlikely the belt either slipped of
broke the next time you went to start it. Most likely the problem
would be fuel or ignition (main relay turns on the ECU besides the
fuel pump).
I think all Honda engines are interference engines. Meaning if the
piston and the valve get out of synch (slipped of broken timing belt)
there will be great possibility the two will contact each other, The
result is usually bending the valve(s).



On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 02:53:51 +0000 (UTC), Jim Yanik <jyanik@abuse.gov>
wrote:

>"123.bam" <"123.bam a"@ hotmail.com> wrote in
>news:HpsIno.MKG@news.boeing.com:
>
>> Raj wrote:
>>
>>> == snip ==
>>> >
>>> > I learned a little trick about jump starting several years ago.
>>> > When the battery is totally dead or almost totally dead, use this
>>> > trick or tip. Connect the jumper cables and start the vehicle that
>>> > has the good battery. Wait about 5 minutes before you try to start
>>> > the vehicle with the dead battery.If it does not start--wait 5 more
>>> > minutes before you try again.
>>>
>>> That's funny, someone told me the exact same thing at work. I tried
>>> that trick tonight and I just happened to wait about 15 minutes in
>>> between 3 tries. Darn thing still wouldn't start! But the 45 minutes
>>> of charging brought Accord's battery back from dead :-) It's not
>>> fully charged but better that fully dead.
>>> I did notice tonight that it was having trouble when I cranked it. It
>>> didn't seem like the *normal* cranking sound, it seemed more
>>> *laborious* for a lack of better term. So what should my next step be
>>> guys? Sure appreciate all the great help I have been receiving.
>>>
>>> Thanks again.
>>>
>>> Raj
>>
>> sounds like a timing belt has slipped/broke.
>> search the messages and you will find many articles on how to visually
>> check for this problem.
>>
>>
>
>Not even close.If the timing belt breaks the motor will either spin VERY
>freely if a non-interference motor,or not spin at all when the piston
>strikes an open valve.

 

You might want to try pulling a spark plug. As soon as you get it out
smell it for any traces of gas. If you sell any you're obviously
getting gas to that cylinder (and probably the others).

The next step would be to test for spark. You can reattach the spark
plug wire to the removed spark plug and lay it against the closest
bare metal engine part (thread part of the plug touching it). Then
have a helper crank the engine a couple of seconds and observe the
removed spark plug. You should be able to see the spark jump from the
inner electrode to the spark plugs ground electrode.

I doubt you have a timing belt problem. If the car was previously
running and you shut it off it's unlikely the belt either slipped of
broke the next time you went to start it. Most likely the problem
would be fuel or ignition (main relay turns on the ECU besides the
fuel pump).
I think all Honda engines are interference engines. Meaning if the
piston and the valve get out of synch (slipped of broken timing belt)
there will be great possibility the two will contact each other, The
result is usually bending the valve(s).



On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 02:53:51 +0000 (UTC), Jim Yanik <jyanik@abuse.gov>
wrote:

>"123.bam" <"123.bam a"@ hotmail.com> wrote in
>news:HpsIno.MKG@news.boeing.com:
>
>> Raj wrote:
>>
>>> == snip ==
>>> >
>>> > I learned a little trick about jump starting several years ago.
>>> > When the battery is totally dead or almost totally dead, use this
>>> > trick or tip. Connect the jumper cables and start the vehicle that
>>> > has the good battery. Wait about 5 minutes before you try to start
>>> > the vehicle with the dead battery.If it does not start--wait 5 more
>>> > minutes before you try again.
>>>
>>> That's funny, someone told me the exact same thing at work. I tried
>>> that trick tonight and I just happened to wait about 15 minutes in
>>> between 3 tries. Darn thing still wouldn't start! But the 45 minutes
>>> of charging brought Accord's battery back from dead :-) It's not
>>> fully charged but better that fully dead.
>>> I did notice tonight that it was having trouble when I cranked it. It
>>> didn't seem like the *normal* cranking sound, it seemed more
>>> *laborious* for a lack of better term. So what should my next step be
>>> guys? Sure appreciate all the great help I have been receiving.
>>>
>>> Thanks again.
>>>
>>> Raj
>>
>> sounds like a timing belt has slipped/broke.
>> search the messages and you will find many articles on how to visually
>> check for this problem.
>>
>>
>
>Not even close.If the timing belt breaks the motor will either spin VERY
>freely if a non-interference motor,or not spin at all when the piston
>strikes an open valve.

 

NomoreRGS wrote:

> You might want to try pulling a spark plug. As soon as you get it out
> smell it for any traces of gas. If you sell any you're obviously
> getting gas to that cylinder (and probably the others).
>
> The next step would be to test for spark. You can reattach the spark
> plug wire to the removed spark plug and lay it against the closest
> bare metal engine part (thread part of the plug touching it). Then
> have a helper crank the engine a couple of seconds and observe the
> removed spark plug. You should be able to see the spark jump from the
> inner electrode to the spark plugs ground electrode.
>
> I doubt you have a timing belt problem. If the car was previously
> running and you shut it off it's unlikely the belt either slipped of
> broke the next time you went to start it. Most likely the problem
> would be fuel or ignition (main relay turns on the ECU besides the
> fuel pump).
> I think all Honda engines are interference engines. Meaning if the
> piston and the valve get out of synch (slipped of broken timing belt)
> there will be great possibility the two will contact each other, The
> result is usually bending the valve(s).
>
> On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 02:53:51 +0000 (UTC), Jim Yanik <jyanik@abuse.gov>
> wrote:
>
> >"123.bam" <"123.bam a"@ hotmail.com> wrote in
> >news:HpsIno.MKG@news.boeing.com:
> >
> >> Raj wrote:
> >>
> >>> == snip ==
> >>> >
> >>> > I learned a little trick about jump starting several years ago.
> >>> > When the battery is totally dead or almost totally dead, use this
> >>> > trick or tip. Connect the jumper cables and start the vehicle that
> >>> > has the good battery. Wait about 5 minutes before you try to start
> >>> > the vehicle with the dead battery.If it does not start--wait 5 more
> >>> > minutes before you try again.
> >>>
> >>> That's funny, someone told me the exact same thing at work. I tried
> >>> that trick tonight and I just happened to wait about 15 minutes in
> >>> between 3 tries. Darn thing still wouldn't start! But the 45 minutes
> >>> of charging brought Accord's battery back from dead :-) It's not
> >>> fully charged but better that fully dead.
> >>> I did notice tonight that it was having trouble when I cranked it. It
> >>> didn't seem like the *normal* cranking sound, it seemed more
> >>> *laborious* for a lack of better term. So what should my next step be
> >>> guys? Sure appreciate all the great help I have been receiving.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks again.
> >>>
> >>> Raj
> >>
> >> sounds like a timing belt has slipped/broke.
> >> search the messages and you will find many articles on how to visually
> >> check for this problem.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Not even close.If the timing belt breaks the motor will either spin VERY
> >freely if a non-interference motor,or not spin at all when the piston
> >strikes an open valve.

not a flame but it very well could be a timing belt as Ive had this very
problem on startup, and the starter
had no problem bending the valves on its next fatal startup.
I base my guess on the owners description " It didn't seem like the *normal*
cranking sound, it seemed more *laborious* for a lack of better term."

Being a 1991 vehichle it could be the float in the carb sunk and flooded the
engine. (someone else eluded to this issue)

however since the owner hasnt responded to these probabilities we can only
speculate.

 

NomoreRGS wrote:

> You might want to try pulling a spark plug. As soon as you get it out
> smell it for any traces of gas. If you sell any you're obviously
> getting gas to that cylinder (and probably the others).
>
> The next step would be to test for spark. You can reattach the spark
> plug wire to the removed spark plug and lay it against the closest
> bare metal engine part (thread part of the plug touching it). Then
> have a helper crank the engine a couple of seconds and observe the
> removed spark plug. You should be able to see the spark jump from the
> inner electrode to the spark plugs ground electrode.
>
> I doubt you have a timing belt problem. If the car was previously
> running and you shut it off it's unlikely the belt either slipped of
> broke the next time you went to start it. Most likely the problem
> would be fuel or ignition (main relay turns on the ECU besides the
> fuel pump).
> I think all Honda engines are interference engines. Meaning if the
> piston and the valve get out of synch (slipped of broken timing belt)
> there will be great possibility the two will contact each other, The
> result is usually bending the valve(s).
>
> On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 02:53:51 +0000 (UTC), Jim Yanik <jyanik@abuse.gov>
> wrote:
>
> >"123.bam" <"123.bam a"@ hotmail.com> wrote in
> >news:HpsIno.MKG@news.boeing.com:
> >
> >> Raj wrote:
> >>
> >>> == snip ==
> >>> >
> >>> > I learned a little trick about jump starting several years ago.
> >>> > When the battery is totally dead or almost totally dead, use this
> >>> > trick or tip. Connect the jumper cables and start the vehicle that
> >>> > has the good battery. Wait about 5 minutes before you try to start
> >>> > the vehicle with the dead battery.If it does not start--wait 5 more
> >>> > minutes before you try again.
> >>>
> >>> That's funny, someone told me the exact same thing at work. I tried
> >>> that trick tonight and I just happened to wait about 15 minutes in
> >>> between 3 tries. Darn thing still wouldn't start! But the 45 minutes
> >>> of charging brought Accord's battery back from dead :-) It's not
> >>> fully charged but better that fully dead.
> >>> I did notice tonight that it was having trouble when I cranked it. It
> >>> didn't seem like the *normal* cranking sound, it seemed more
> >>> *laborious* for a lack of better term. So what should my next step be
> >>> guys? Sure appreciate all the great help I have been receiving.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks again.
> >>>
> >>> Raj
> >>
> >> sounds like a timing belt has slipped/broke.
> >> search the messages and you will find many articles on how to visually
> >> check for this problem.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Not even close.If the timing belt breaks the motor will either spin VERY
> >freely if a non-interference motor,or not spin at all when the piston
> >strikes an open valve.

not a flame but it very well could be a timing belt as Ive had this very
problem on startup, and the starter
had no problem bending the valves on its next fatal startup.
I base my guess on the owners description " It didn't seem like the *normal*
cranking sound, it seemed more *laborious* for a lack of better term."

Being a 1991 vehichle it could be the float in the carb sunk and flooded the
engine. (someone else eluded to this issue)

however since the owner hasnt responded to these probabilities we can only
speculate.

 

NomoreRGS wrote:

> You might want to try pulling a spark plug. As soon as you get it out
> smell it for any traces of gas. If you sell any you're obviously
> getting gas to that cylinder (and probably the others).
>
> The next step would be to test for spark. You can reattach the spark
> plug wire to the removed spark plug and lay it against the closest
> bare metal engine part (thread part of the plug touching it). Then
> have a helper crank the engine a couple of seconds and observe the
> removed spark plug. You should be able to see the spark jump from the
> inner electrode to the spark plugs ground electrode.
>
> I doubt you have a timing belt problem. If the car was previously
> running and you shut it off it's unlikely the belt either slipped of
> broke the next time you went to start it. Most likely the problem
> would be fuel or ignition (main relay turns on the ECU besides the
> fuel pump).
> I think all Honda engines are interference engines. Meaning if the
> piston and the valve get out of synch (slipped of broken timing belt)
> there will be great possibility the two will contact each other, The
> result is usually bending the valve(s).
>
> On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 02:53:51 +0000 (UTC), Jim Yanik <jyanik@abuse.gov>
> wrote:
>
> >"123.bam" <"123.bam a"@ hotmail.com> wrote in
> >news:HpsIno.MKG@news.boeing.com:
> >
> >> Raj wrote:
> >>
> >>> == snip ==
> >>> >
> >>> > I learned a little trick about jump starting several years ago.
> >>> > When the battery is totally dead or almost totally dead, use this
> >>> > trick or tip. Connect the jumper cables and start the vehicle that
> >>> > has the good battery. Wait about 5 minutes before you try to start
> >>> > the vehicle with the dead battery.If it does not start--wait 5 more
> >>> > minutes before you try again.
> >>>
> >>> That's funny, someone told me the exact same thing at work. I tried
> >>> that trick tonight and I just happened to wait about 15 minutes in
> >>> between 3 tries. Darn thing still wouldn't start! But the 45 minutes
> >>> of charging brought Accord's battery back from dead :-) It's not
> >>> fully charged but better that fully dead.
> >>> I did notice tonight that it was having trouble when I cranked it. It
> >>> didn't seem like the *normal* cranking sound, it seemed more
> >>> *laborious* for a lack of better term. So what should my next step be
> >>> guys? Sure appreciate all the great help I have been receiving.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks again.
> >>>
> >>> Raj
> >>
> >> sounds like a timing belt has slipped/broke.
> >> search the messages and you will find many articles on how to visually
> >> check for this problem.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Not even close.If the timing belt breaks the motor will either spin VERY
> >freely if a non-interference motor,or not spin at all when the piston
> >strikes an open valve.

not a flame but it very well could be a timing belt as Ive had this very
problem on startup, and the starter
had no problem bending the valves on its next fatal startup.
I base my guess on the owners description " It didn't seem like the *normal*
cranking sound, it seemed more *laborious* for a lack of better term."

Being a 1991 vehichle it could be the float in the carb sunk and flooded the
engine. (someone else eluded to this issue)

however since the owner hasnt responded to these probabilities we can only
speculate.

 

NomoreRGS wrote:

> You might want to try pulling a spark plug. As soon as you get it out
> smell it for any traces of gas. If you sell any you're obviously
> getting gas to that cylinder (and probably the others).
>
> The next step would be to test for spark. You can reattach the spark
> plug wire to the removed spark plug and lay it against the closest
> bare metal engine part (thread part of the plug touching it). Then
> have a helper crank the engine a couple of seconds and observe the
> removed spark plug. You should be able to see the spark jump from the
> inner electrode to the spark plugs ground electrode.
>
> I doubt you have a timing belt problem. If the car was previously
> running and you shut it off it's unlikely the belt either slipped of
> broke the next time you went to start it. Most likely the problem
> would be fuel or ignition (main relay turns on the ECU besides the
> fuel pump).
> I think all Honda engines are interference engines. Meaning if the
> piston and the valve get out of synch (slipped of broken timing belt)
> there will be great possibility the two will contact each other, The
> result is usually bending the valve(s).
>
> On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 02:53:51 +0000 (UTC), Jim Yanik <jyanik@abuse.gov>
> wrote:
>
> >"123.bam" <"123.bam a"@ hotmail.com> wrote in
> >news:HpsIno.MKG@news.boeing.com:
> >
> >> Raj wrote:
> >>
> >>> == snip ==
> >>> >
> >>> > I learned a little trick about jump starting several years ago.
> >>> > When the battery is totally dead or almost totally dead, use this
> >>> > trick or tip. Connect the jumper cables and start the vehicle that
> >>> > has the good battery. Wait about 5 minutes before you try to start
> >>> > the vehicle with the dead battery.If it does not start--wait 5 more
> >>> > minutes before you try again.
> >>>
> >>> That's funny, someone told me the exact same thing at work. I tried
> >>> that trick tonight and I just happened to wait about 15 minutes in
> >>> between 3 tries. Darn thing still wouldn't start! But the 45 minutes
> >>> of charging brought Accord's battery back from dead :-) It's not
> >>> fully charged but better that fully dead.
> >>> I did notice tonight that it was having trouble when I cranked it. It
> >>> didn't seem like the *normal* cranking sound, it seemed more
> >>> *laborious* for a lack of better term. So what should my next step be
> >>> guys? Sure appreciate all the great help I have been receiving.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks again.
> >>>
> >>> Raj
> >>
> >> sounds like a timing belt has slipped/broke.
> >> search the messages and you will find many articles on how to visually
> >> check for this problem.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Not even close.If the timing belt breaks the motor will either spin VERY
> >freely if a non-interference motor,or not spin at all when the piston
> >strikes an open valve.

not a flame but it very well could be a timing belt as Ive had this very
problem on startup, and the starter
had no problem bending the valves on its next fatal startup.
I base my guess on the owners description " It didn't seem like the *normal*
cranking sound, it seemed more *laborious* for a lack of better term."

Being a 1991 vehichle it could be the float in the carb sunk and flooded the
engine. (someone else eluded to this issue)

however since the owner hasnt responded to these probabilities we can only
speculate.