91 Accord doesn't start
12-06-2003 | 12:57 AM
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Re: 91 Accord doesn't start
On 12/5/03 14:14, in article
7690289c.0312051214.3aec7a93@posting.google.com, "Raj"
<planet_first@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> My 91 Accord with 146K miles won't start since 2 days. I browsed
> thru' the NG and I found that the symptoms match the famous "main
> relay" problem. So last night I tried more diagnosis. Here' what I
> found -
> - when I turned the key to run, I couln't hear the fuel pump
> whirring. It is posssible that it is running and I couldn't hear it
> beacuse of road noise (heavy traffic)
> - when the "check engine" shuts off, I hear a click; so I *guess*
> the fp is shutting down
> - when I turn the key to start, it sounds like it *wants* to start
> but can't.
> - tried to jump from my Odyssey as well as from AAA guy to no avail.
>
> Please help me determine what could be broken.
> I plan to replace the MR anyway tomorrow (what the heck, it will
> probabaly break soon anyway!)
>
> TIA.
>
> Raj
These guys in the group just helped me with a faulty main relay last week,
so I'll pass on a little of what I learned.
You mention the click when the "check engine" shut off. Mine had the same
click, even though the relay wasn't working properly. It is a rather
complicated relay, actually two in one, with one dependent upon the other.
If either switch fails, the car won't run.
I think the easiest test is to pull the connector and put two jumper wires
in place of the relay. On my '91 *Civic*, they connect from 1-3, and 5-7.
I can only guess that it is the same on your Accord. I'll try to draw a
picture of the connector.
_______
________|_______|________
|_2__|__4___|___6__|__8__|
|_1__|__3___|___5__|__7__|
It's up to you if you want to drive with these in place. The big danger is
the fuel pump will keep running if you crash, possibly creating a big fire.
The other caution is to disconnect wires when not driving.
Good luck,
Jason
7690289c.0312051214.3aec7a93@posting.google.com, "Raj"
<planet_first@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> My 91 Accord with 146K miles won't start since 2 days. I browsed
> thru' the NG and I found that the symptoms match the famous "main
> relay" problem. So last night I tried more diagnosis. Here' what I
> found -
> - when I turned the key to run, I couln't hear the fuel pump
> whirring. It is posssible that it is running and I couldn't hear it
> beacuse of road noise (heavy traffic)
> - when the "check engine" shuts off, I hear a click; so I *guess*
> the fp is shutting down
> - when I turn the key to start, it sounds like it *wants* to start
> but can't.
> - tried to jump from my Odyssey as well as from AAA guy to no avail.
>
> Please help me determine what could be broken.
> I plan to replace the MR anyway tomorrow (what the heck, it will
> probabaly break soon anyway!)
>
> TIA.
>
> Raj
These guys in the group just helped me with a faulty main relay last week,
so I'll pass on a little of what I learned.
You mention the click when the "check engine" shut off. Mine had the same
click, even though the relay wasn't working properly. It is a rather
complicated relay, actually two in one, with one dependent upon the other.
If either switch fails, the car won't run.
I think the easiest test is to pull the connector and put two jumper wires
in place of the relay. On my '91 *Civic*, they connect from 1-3, and 5-7.
I can only guess that it is the same on your Accord. I'll try to draw a
picture of the connector.
_______
________|_______|________
|_2__|__4___|___6__|__8__|
|_1__|__3___|___5__|__7__|
It's up to you if you want to drive with these in place. The big danger is
the fuel pump will keep running if you crash, possibly creating a big fire.
The other caution is to disconnect wires when not driving.
Good luck,
Jason
12-06-2003 | 12:57 AM
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Re: 91 Accord doesn't start
On 12/5/03 14:14, in article
7690289c.0312051214.3aec7a93@posting.google.com, "Raj"
<planet_first@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> My 91 Accord with 146K miles won't start since 2 days. I browsed
> thru' the NG and I found that the symptoms match the famous "main
> relay" problem. So last night I tried more diagnosis. Here' what I
> found -
> - when I turned the key to run, I couln't hear the fuel pump
> whirring. It is posssible that it is running and I couldn't hear it
> beacuse of road noise (heavy traffic)
> - when the "check engine" shuts off, I hear a click; so I *guess*
> the fp is shutting down
> - when I turn the key to start, it sounds like it *wants* to start
> but can't.
> - tried to jump from my Odyssey as well as from AAA guy to no avail.
>
> Please help me determine what could be broken.
> I plan to replace the MR anyway tomorrow (what the heck, it will
> probabaly break soon anyway!)
>
> TIA.
>
> Raj
These guys in the group just helped me with a faulty main relay last week,
so I'll pass on a little of what I learned.
You mention the click when the "check engine" shut off. Mine had the same
click, even though the relay wasn't working properly. It is a rather
complicated relay, actually two in one, with one dependent upon the other.
If either switch fails, the car won't run.
I think the easiest test is to pull the connector and put two jumper wires
in place of the relay. On my '91 *Civic*, they connect from 1-3, and 5-7.
I can only guess that it is the same on your Accord. I'll try to draw a
picture of the connector.
_______
________|_______|________
|_2__|__4___|___6__|__8__|
|_1__|__3___|___5__|__7__|
It's up to you if you want to drive with these in place. The big danger is
the fuel pump will keep running if you crash, possibly creating a big fire.
The other caution is to disconnect wires when not driving.
Good luck,
Jason
7690289c.0312051214.3aec7a93@posting.google.com, "Raj"
<planet_first@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> My 91 Accord with 146K miles won't start since 2 days. I browsed
> thru' the NG and I found that the symptoms match the famous "main
> relay" problem. So last night I tried more diagnosis. Here' what I
> found -
> - when I turned the key to run, I couln't hear the fuel pump
> whirring. It is posssible that it is running and I couldn't hear it
> beacuse of road noise (heavy traffic)
> - when the "check engine" shuts off, I hear a click; so I *guess*
> the fp is shutting down
> - when I turn the key to start, it sounds like it *wants* to start
> but can't.
> - tried to jump from my Odyssey as well as from AAA guy to no avail.
>
> Please help me determine what could be broken.
> I plan to replace the MR anyway tomorrow (what the heck, it will
> probabaly break soon anyway!)
>
> TIA.
>
> Raj
These guys in the group just helped me with a faulty main relay last week,
so I'll pass on a little of what I learned.
You mention the click when the "check engine" shut off. Mine had the same
click, even though the relay wasn't working properly. It is a rather
complicated relay, actually two in one, with one dependent upon the other.
If either switch fails, the car won't run.
I think the easiest test is to pull the connector and put two jumper wires
in place of the relay. On my '91 *Civic*, they connect from 1-3, and 5-7.
I can only guess that it is the same on your Accord. I'll try to draw a
picture of the connector.
_______
________|_______|________
|_2__|__4___|___6__|__8__|
|_1__|__3___|___5__|__7__|
It's up to you if you want to drive with these in place. The big danger is
the fuel pump will keep running if you crash, possibly creating a big fire.
The other caution is to disconnect wires when not driving.
Good luck,
Jason
12-06-2003 | 09:59 AM
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Re: 91 Accord doesn't start
"'Curly Q. Links'" <motsco__@interbaun.com> wrote in
news:3FD16303.6F0229F6@interbaun.com:
> Raj wrote:
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> My 91 Accord with 146K miles won't start since 2 days. I browsed
>> thru' the NG and I found that the symptoms match the famous "main
>> relay" problem. So last night I tried more diagnosis. Here' what I
>> found -
>> - when I turned the key to run, I couln't hear the fuel pump
>> whirring. It is posssible that it is running and I couldn't hear it
>> beacuse of road noise (heavy traffic)
>> - when the "check engine" shuts off, I hear a click; so I *guess*
>> the fp is shutting down
>> - when I turn the key to start, it sounds like it *wants* to start
>> but can't.
>> - tried to jump from my Odyssey as well as from AAA guy to no avail.
>>
>> Please help me determine what could be broken.
>> I plan to replace the MR anyway tomorrow (what the heck, it will
>> probabaly break soon anyway!)
>>
>> TIA.
>>
>> Raj
>
> --------------------------------------
>
> Raj,
>
> Try turning the key to the ON position, and wait until the lamp test is
> finished. Then smack the dash with your fist and see if the fuel pump
> runs. If so, it's the relay all right. Your car will now start, but may
> not run consistently.
>
> 'Curly'
> -----------------------
>
On my Integra,the main relay was NOT affixed to the dash,but to something
on the left side of the driver's footwell.YMMV.
--
Jim Yanik,NRA member
jyanik-at-kua.net
news:3FD16303.6F0229F6@interbaun.com:
> Raj wrote:
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> My 91 Accord with 146K miles won't start since 2 days. I browsed
>> thru' the NG and I found that the symptoms match the famous "main
>> relay" problem. So last night I tried more diagnosis. Here' what I
>> found -
>> - when I turned the key to run, I couln't hear the fuel pump
>> whirring. It is posssible that it is running and I couldn't hear it
>> beacuse of road noise (heavy traffic)
>> - when the "check engine" shuts off, I hear a click; so I *guess*
>> the fp is shutting down
>> - when I turn the key to start, it sounds like it *wants* to start
>> but can't.
>> - tried to jump from my Odyssey as well as from AAA guy to no avail.
>>
>> Please help me determine what could be broken.
>> I plan to replace the MR anyway tomorrow (what the heck, it will
>> probabaly break soon anyway!)
>>
>> TIA.
>>
>> Raj
>
> --------------------------------------
>
> Raj,
>
> Try turning the key to the ON position, and wait until the lamp test is
> finished. Then smack the dash with your fist and see if the fuel pump
> runs. If so, it's the relay all right. Your car will now start, but may
> not run consistently.
>
> 'Curly'
> -----------------------
>
On my Integra,the main relay was NOT affixed to the dash,but to something
on the left side of the driver's footwell.YMMV.
--
Jim Yanik,NRA member
jyanik-at-kua.net
12-06-2003 | 09:59 AM
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Re: 91 Accord doesn't start
"'Curly Q. Links'" <motsco__@interbaun.com> wrote in
news:3FD16303.6F0229F6@interbaun.com:
> Raj wrote:
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> My 91 Accord with 146K miles won't start since 2 days. I browsed
>> thru' the NG and I found that the symptoms match the famous "main
>> relay" problem. So last night I tried more diagnosis. Here' what I
>> found -
>> - when I turned the key to run, I couln't hear the fuel pump
>> whirring. It is posssible that it is running and I couldn't hear it
>> beacuse of road noise (heavy traffic)
>> - when the "check engine" shuts off, I hear a click; so I *guess*
>> the fp is shutting down
>> - when I turn the key to start, it sounds like it *wants* to start
>> but can't.
>> - tried to jump from my Odyssey as well as from AAA guy to no avail.
>>
>> Please help me determine what could be broken.
>> I plan to replace the MR anyway tomorrow (what the heck, it will
>> probabaly break soon anyway!)
>>
>> TIA.
>>
>> Raj
>
> --------------------------------------
>
> Raj,
>
> Try turning the key to the ON position, and wait until the lamp test is
> finished. Then smack the dash with your fist and see if the fuel pump
> runs. If so, it's the relay all right. Your car will now start, but may
> not run consistently.
>
> 'Curly'
> -----------------------
>
On my Integra,the main relay was NOT affixed to the dash,but to something
on the left side of the driver's footwell.YMMV.
--
Jim Yanik,NRA member
jyanik-at-kua.net
news:3FD16303.6F0229F6@interbaun.com:
> Raj wrote:
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> My 91 Accord with 146K miles won't start since 2 days. I browsed
>> thru' the NG and I found that the symptoms match the famous "main
>> relay" problem. So last night I tried more diagnosis. Here' what I
>> found -
>> - when I turned the key to run, I couln't hear the fuel pump
>> whirring. It is posssible that it is running and I couldn't hear it
>> beacuse of road noise (heavy traffic)
>> - when the "check engine" shuts off, I hear a click; so I *guess*
>> the fp is shutting down
>> - when I turn the key to start, it sounds like it *wants* to start
>> but can't.
>> - tried to jump from my Odyssey as well as from AAA guy to no avail.
>>
>> Please help me determine what could be broken.
>> I plan to replace the MR anyway tomorrow (what the heck, it will
>> probabaly break soon anyway!)
>>
>> TIA.
>>
>> Raj
>
> --------------------------------------
>
> Raj,
>
> Try turning the key to the ON position, and wait until the lamp test is
> finished. Then smack the dash with your fist and see if the fuel pump
> runs. If so, it's the relay all right. Your car will now start, but may
> not run consistently.
>
> 'Curly'
> -----------------------
>
On my Integra,the main relay was NOT affixed to the dash,but to something
on the left side of the driver's footwell.YMMV.
--
Jim Yanik,NRA member
jyanik-at-kua.net
12-06-2003 | 09:59 AM
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Re: 91 Accord doesn't start
"'Curly Q. Links'" <motsco__@interbaun.com> wrote in
news:3FD16303.6F0229F6@interbaun.com:
> Raj wrote:
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> My 91 Accord with 146K miles won't start since 2 days. I browsed
>> thru' the NG and I found that the symptoms match the famous "main
>> relay" problem. So last night I tried more diagnosis. Here' what I
>> found -
>> - when I turned the key to run, I couln't hear the fuel pump
>> whirring. It is posssible that it is running and I couldn't hear it
>> beacuse of road noise (heavy traffic)
>> - when the "check engine" shuts off, I hear a click; so I *guess*
>> the fp is shutting down
>> - when I turn the key to start, it sounds like it *wants* to start
>> but can't.
>> - tried to jump from my Odyssey as well as from AAA guy to no avail.
>>
>> Please help me determine what could be broken.
>> I plan to replace the MR anyway tomorrow (what the heck, it will
>> probabaly break soon anyway!)
>>
>> TIA.
>>
>> Raj
>
> --------------------------------------
>
> Raj,
>
> Try turning the key to the ON position, and wait until the lamp test is
> finished. Then smack the dash with your fist and see if the fuel pump
> runs. If so, it's the relay all right. Your car will now start, but may
> not run consistently.
>
> 'Curly'
> -----------------------
>
On my Integra,the main relay was NOT affixed to the dash,but to something
on the left side of the driver's footwell.YMMV.
--
Jim Yanik,NRA member
jyanik-at-kua.net
news:3FD16303.6F0229F6@interbaun.com:
> Raj wrote:
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> My 91 Accord with 146K miles won't start since 2 days. I browsed
>> thru' the NG and I found that the symptoms match the famous "main
>> relay" problem. So last night I tried more diagnosis. Here' what I
>> found -
>> - when I turned the key to run, I couln't hear the fuel pump
>> whirring. It is posssible that it is running and I couldn't hear it
>> beacuse of road noise (heavy traffic)
>> - when the "check engine" shuts off, I hear a click; so I *guess*
>> the fp is shutting down
>> - when I turn the key to start, it sounds like it *wants* to start
>> but can't.
>> - tried to jump from my Odyssey as well as from AAA guy to no avail.
>>
>> Please help me determine what could be broken.
>> I plan to replace the MR anyway tomorrow (what the heck, it will
>> probabaly break soon anyway!)
>>
>> TIA.
>>
>> Raj
>
> --------------------------------------
>
> Raj,
>
> Try turning the key to the ON position, and wait until the lamp test is
> finished. Then smack the dash with your fist and see if the fuel pump
> runs. If so, it's the relay all right. Your car will now start, but may
> not run consistently.
>
> 'Curly'
> -----------------------
>
On my Integra,the main relay was NOT affixed to the dash,but to something
on the left side of the driver's footwell.YMMV.
--
Jim Yanik,NRA member
jyanik-at-kua.net
12-06-2003 | 09:59 AM
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Re: 91 Accord doesn't start
"'Curly Q. Links'" <motsco__@interbaun.com> wrote in
news:3FD16303.6F0229F6@interbaun.com:
> Raj wrote:
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> My 91 Accord with 146K miles won't start since 2 days. I browsed
>> thru' the NG and I found that the symptoms match the famous "main
>> relay" problem. So last night I tried more diagnosis. Here' what I
>> found -
>> - when I turned the key to run, I couln't hear the fuel pump
>> whirring. It is posssible that it is running and I couldn't hear it
>> beacuse of road noise (heavy traffic)
>> - when the "check engine" shuts off, I hear a click; so I *guess*
>> the fp is shutting down
>> - when I turn the key to start, it sounds like it *wants* to start
>> but can't.
>> - tried to jump from my Odyssey as well as from AAA guy to no avail.
>>
>> Please help me determine what could be broken.
>> I plan to replace the MR anyway tomorrow (what the heck, it will
>> probabaly break soon anyway!)
>>
>> TIA.
>>
>> Raj
>
> --------------------------------------
>
> Raj,
>
> Try turning the key to the ON position, and wait until the lamp test is
> finished. Then smack the dash with your fist and see if the fuel pump
> runs. If so, it's the relay all right. Your car will now start, but may
> not run consistently.
>
> 'Curly'
> -----------------------
>
On my Integra,the main relay was NOT affixed to the dash,but to something
on the left side of the driver's footwell.YMMV.
--
Jim Yanik,NRA member
jyanik-at-kua.net
news:3FD16303.6F0229F6@interbaun.com:
> Raj wrote:
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> My 91 Accord with 146K miles won't start since 2 days. I browsed
>> thru' the NG and I found that the symptoms match the famous "main
>> relay" problem. So last night I tried more diagnosis. Here' what I
>> found -
>> - when I turned the key to run, I couln't hear the fuel pump
>> whirring. It is posssible that it is running and I couldn't hear it
>> beacuse of road noise (heavy traffic)
>> - when the "check engine" shuts off, I hear a click; so I *guess*
>> the fp is shutting down
>> - when I turn the key to start, it sounds like it *wants* to start
>> but can't.
>> - tried to jump from my Odyssey as well as from AAA guy to no avail.
>>
>> Please help me determine what could be broken.
>> I plan to replace the MR anyway tomorrow (what the heck, it will
>> probabaly break soon anyway!)
>>
>> TIA.
>>
>> Raj
>
> --------------------------------------
>
> Raj,
>
> Try turning the key to the ON position, and wait until the lamp test is
> finished. Then smack the dash with your fist and see if the fuel pump
> runs. If so, it's the relay all right. Your car will now start, but may
> not run consistently.
>
> 'Curly'
> -----------------------
>
On my Integra,the main relay was NOT affixed to the dash,but to something
on the left side of the driver's footwell.YMMV.
--
Jim Yanik,NRA member
jyanik-at-kua.net
12-06-2003 | 10:01 AM
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Re: 91 Accord doesn't start
Jason Faas <jpfaasNOSPAM@neb.rr.com> wrote in
news:BBF6CBF4.12716%jpfaasNOSPAM@neb.rr.com:
> On 12/5/03 14:14, in article
> 7690289c.0312051214.3aec7a93@posting.google.com, "Raj"
><planet_first@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> My 91 Accord with 146K miles won't start since 2 days. I browsed
>> thru' the NG and I found that the symptoms match the famous "main
>> relay" problem. So last night I tried more diagnosis. Here' what I
>> found -
>> - when I turned the key to run, I couln't hear the fuel pump
>> whirring. It is posssible that it is running and I couldn't hear it
>> beacuse of road noise (heavy traffic)
>> - when the "check engine" shuts off, I hear a click; so I *guess*
>> the fp is shutting down
>> - when I turn the key to start, it sounds like it *wants* to start
>> but can't.
>> - tried to jump from my Odyssey as well as from AAA guy to no avail.
>>
>> Please help me determine what could be broken.
>> I plan to replace the MR anyway tomorrow (what the heck, it will
>> probabaly break soon anyway!)
>>
>> TIA.
>>
>> Raj
>
>
> These guys in the group just helped me with a faulty main relay last
> week, so I'll pass on a little of what I learned.
>
> You mention the click when the "check engine" shut off. Mine had the
> same click, even though the relay wasn't working properly. It is a
> rather complicated relay, actually two in one, with one dependent upon
> the other. If either switch fails, the car won't run.
>
> I think the easiest test is to pull the connector and put two jumper
> wires in place of the relay. On my '91 *Civic*, they connect from
> 1-3, and 5-7. I can only guess that it is the same on your Accord.
> I'll try to draw a picture of the connector.
>
>
> _______
> ________|_______|________
>|_2__|__4___|___6__|__8__|
>|_1__|__3___|___5__|__7__|
>
>
> It's up to you if you want to drive with these in place. The big
> danger is the fuel pump will keep running if you crash, possibly
> creating a big fire. The other caution is to disconnect wires when not
> driving.
>
> Good luck,
>
> Jason
>
Geez,it's SO much easier (and safer!)to just resolder the main
relay,ELIMINATING it as a trouble source.
--
Jim Yanik,NRA member
jyanik-at-kua.net
news:BBF6CBF4.12716%jpfaasNOSPAM@neb.rr.com:
> On 12/5/03 14:14, in article
> 7690289c.0312051214.3aec7a93@posting.google.com, "Raj"
><planet_first@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> My 91 Accord with 146K miles won't start since 2 days. I browsed
>> thru' the NG and I found that the symptoms match the famous "main
>> relay" problem. So last night I tried more diagnosis. Here' what I
>> found -
>> - when I turned the key to run, I couln't hear the fuel pump
>> whirring. It is posssible that it is running and I couldn't hear it
>> beacuse of road noise (heavy traffic)
>> - when the "check engine" shuts off, I hear a click; so I *guess*
>> the fp is shutting down
>> - when I turn the key to start, it sounds like it *wants* to start
>> but can't.
>> - tried to jump from my Odyssey as well as from AAA guy to no avail.
>>
>> Please help me determine what could be broken.
>> I plan to replace the MR anyway tomorrow (what the heck, it will
>> probabaly break soon anyway!)
>>
>> TIA.
>>
>> Raj
>
>
> These guys in the group just helped me with a faulty main relay last
> week, so I'll pass on a little of what I learned.
>
> You mention the click when the "check engine" shut off. Mine had the
> same click, even though the relay wasn't working properly. It is a
> rather complicated relay, actually two in one, with one dependent upon
> the other. If either switch fails, the car won't run.
>
> I think the easiest test is to pull the connector and put two jumper
> wires in place of the relay. On my '91 *Civic*, they connect from
> 1-3, and 5-7. I can only guess that it is the same on your Accord.
> I'll try to draw a picture of the connector.
>
>
> _______
> ________|_______|________
>|_2__|__4___|___6__|__8__|
>|_1__|__3___|___5__|__7__|
>
>
> It's up to you if you want to drive with these in place. The big
> danger is the fuel pump will keep running if you crash, possibly
> creating a big fire. The other caution is to disconnect wires when not
> driving.
>
> Good luck,
>
> Jason
>
Geez,it's SO much easier (and safer!)to just resolder the main
relay,ELIMINATING it as a trouble source.
--
Jim Yanik,NRA member
jyanik-at-kua.net
12-06-2003 | 10:01 AM
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Jason Faas <jpfaasNOSPAM@neb.rr.com> wrote in
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> On 12/5/03 14:14, in article
> 7690289c.0312051214.3aec7a93@posting.google.com, "Raj"
><planet_first@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> My 91 Accord with 146K miles won't start since 2 days. I browsed
>> thru' the NG and I found that the symptoms match the famous "main
>> relay" problem. So last night I tried more diagnosis. Here' what I
>> found -
>> - when I turned the key to run, I couln't hear the fuel pump
>> whirring. It is posssible that it is running and I couldn't hear it
>> beacuse of road noise (heavy traffic)
>> - when the "check engine" shuts off, I hear a click; so I *guess*
>> the fp is shutting down
>> - when I turn the key to start, it sounds like it *wants* to start
>> but can't.
>> - tried to jump from my Odyssey as well as from AAA guy to no avail.
>>
>> Please help me determine what could be broken.
>> I plan to replace the MR anyway tomorrow (what the heck, it will
>> probabaly break soon anyway!)
>>
>> TIA.
>>
>> Raj
>
>
> These guys in the group just helped me with a faulty main relay last
> week, so I'll pass on a little of what I learned.
>
> You mention the click when the "check engine" shut off. Mine had the
> same click, even though the relay wasn't working properly. It is a
> rather complicated relay, actually two in one, with one dependent upon
> the other. If either switch fails, the car won't run.
>
> I think the easiest test is to pull the connector and put two jumper
> wires in place of the relay. On my '91 *Civic*, they connect from
> 1-3, and 5-7. I can only guess that it is the same on your Accord.
> I'll try to draw a picture of the connector.
>
>
> _______
> ________|_______|________
>|_2__|__4___|___6__|__8__|
>|_1__|__3___|___5__|__7__|
>
>
> It's up to you if you want to drive with these in place. The big
> danger is the fuel pump will keep running if you crash, possibly
> creating a big fire. The other caution is to disconnect wires when not
> driving.
>
> Good luck,
>
> Jason
>
Geez,it's SO much easier (and safer!)to just resolder the main
relay,ELIMINATING it as a trouble source.
--
Jim Yanik,NRA member
jyanik-at-kua.net
news:BBF6CBF4.12716%jpfaasNOSPAM@neb.rr.com:
> On 12/5/03 14:14, in article
> 7690289c.0312051214.3aec7a93@posting.google.com, "Raj"
><planet_first@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> My 91 Accord with 146K miles won't start since 2 days. I browsed
>> thru' the NG and I found that the symptoms match the famous "main
>> relay" problem. So last night I tried more diagnosis. Here' what I
>> found -
>> - when I turned the key to run, I couln't hear the fuel pump
>> whirring. It is posssible that it is running and I couldn't hear it
>> beacuse of road noise (heavy traffic)
>> - when the "check engine" shuts off, I hear a click; so I *guess*
>> the fp is shutting down
>> - when I turn the key to start, it sounds like it *wants* to start
>> but can't.
>> - tried to jump from my Odyssey as well as from AAA guy to no avail.
>>
>> Please help me determine what could be broken.
>> I plan to replace the MR anyway tomorrow (what the heck, it will
>> probabaly break soon anyway!)
>>
>> TIA.
>>
>> Raj
>
>
> These guys in the group just helped me with a faulty main relay last
> week, so I'll pass on a little of what I learned.
>
> You mention the click when the "check engine" shut off. Mine had the
> same click, even though the relay wasn't working properly. It is a
> rather complicated relay, actually two in one, with one dependent upon
> the other. If either switch fails, the car won't run.
>
> I think the easiest test is to pull the connector and put two jumper
> wires in place of the relay. On my '91 *Civic*, they connect from
> 1-3, and 5-7. I can only guess that it is the same on your Accord.
> I'll try to draw a picture of the connector.
>
>
> _______
> ________|_______|________
>|_2__|__4___|___6__|__8__|
>|_1__|__3___|___5__|__7__|
>
>
> It's up to you if you want to drive with these in place. The big
> danger is the fuel pump will keep running if you crash, possibly
> creating a big fire. The other caution is to disconnect wires when not
> driving.
>
> Good luck,
>
> Jason
>
Geez,it's SO much easier (and safer!)to just resolder the main
relay,ELIMINATING it as a trouble source.
--
Jim Yanik,NRA member
jyanik-at-kua.net
12-06-2003 | 10:01 AM
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Re: 91 Accord doesn't start
Jason Faas <jpfaasNOSPAM@neb.rr.com> wrote in
news:BBF6CBF4.12716%jpfaasNOSPAM@neb.rr.com:
> On 12/5/03 14:14, in article
> 7690289c.0312051214.3aec7a93@posting.google.com, "Raj"
><planet_first@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> My 91 Accord with 146K miles won't start since 2 days. I browsed
>> thru' the NG and I found that the symptoms match the famous "main
>> relay" problem. So last night I tried more diagnosis. Here' what I
>> found -
>> - when I turned the key to run, I couln't hear the fuel pump
>> whirring. It is posssible that it is running and I couldn't hear it
>> beacuse of road noise (heavy traffic)
>> - when the "check engine" shuts off, I hear a click; so I *guess*
>> the fp is shutting down
>> - when I turn the key to start, it sounds like it *wants* to start
>> but can't.
>> - tried to jump from my Odyssey as well as from AAA guy to no avail.
>>
>> Please help me determine what could be broken.
>> I plan to replace the MR anyway tomorrow (what the heck, it will
>> probabaly break soon anyway!)
>>
>> TIA.
>>
>> Raj
>
>
> These guys in the group just helped me with a faulty main relay last
> week, so I'll pass on a little of what I learned.
>
> You mention the click when the "check engine" shut off. Mine had the
> same click, even though the relay wasn't working properly. It is a
> rather complicated relay, actually two in one, with one dependent upon
> the other. If either switch fails, the car won't run.
>
> I think the easiest test is to pull the connector and put two jumper
> wires in place of the relay. On my '91 *Civic*, they connect from
> 1-3, and 5-7. I can only guess that it is the same on your Accord.
> I'll try to draw a picture of the connector.
>
>
> _______
> ________|_______|________
>|_2__|__4___|___6__|__8__|
>|_1__|__3___|___5__|__7__|
>
>
> It's up to you if you want to drive with these in place. The big
> danger is the fuel pump will keep running if you crash, possibly
> creating a big fire. The other caution is to disconnect wires when not
> driving.
>
> Good luck,
>
> Jason
>
Geez,it's SO much easier (and safer!)to just resolder the main
relay,ELIMINATING it as a trouble source.
--
Jim Yanik,NRA member
jyanik-at-kua.net
news:BBF6CBF4.12716%jpfaasNOSPAM@neb.rr.com:
> On 12/5/03 14:14, in article
> 7690289c.0312051214.3aec7a93@posting.google.com, "Raj"
><planet_first@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> My 91 Accord with 146K miles won't start since 2 days. I browsed
>> thru' the NG and I found that the symptoms match the famous "main
>> relay" problem. So last night I tried more diagnosis. Here' what I
>> found -
>> - when I turned the key to run, I couln't hear the fuel pump
>> whirring. It is posssible that it is running and I couldn't hear it
>> beacuse of road noise (heavy traffic)
>> - when the "check engine" shuts off, I hear a click; so I *guess*
>> the fp is shutting down
>> - when I turn the key to start, it sounds like it *wants* to start
>> but can't.
>> - tried to jump from my Odyssey as well as from AAA guy to no avail.
>>
>> Please help me determine what could be broken.
>> I plan to replace the MR anyway tomorrow (what the heck, it will
>> probabaly break soon anyway!)
>>
>> TIA.
>>
>> Raj
>
>
> These guys in the group just helped me with a faulty main relay last
> week, so I'll pass on a little of what I learned.
>
> You mention the click when the "check engine" shut off. Mine had the
> same click, even though the relay wasn't working properly. It is a
> rather complicated relay, actually two in one, with one dependent upon
> the other. If either switch fails, the car won't run.
>
> I think the easiest test is to pull the connector and put two jumper
> wires in place of the relay. On my '91 *Civic*, they connect from
> 1-3, and 5-7. I can only guess that it is the same on your Accord.
> I'll try to draw a picture of the connector.
>
>
> _______
> ________|_______|________
>|_2__|__4___|___6__|__8__|
>|_1__|__3___|___5__|__7__|
>
>
> It's up to you if you want to drive with these in place. The big
> danger is the fuel pump will keep running if you crash, possibly
> creating a big fire. The other caution is to disconnect wires when not
> driving.
>
> Good luck,
>
> Jason
>
Geez,it's SO much easier (and safer!)to just resolder the main
relay,ELIMINATING it as a trouble source.
--
Jim Yanik,NRA member
jyanik-at-kua.net
12-06-2003 | 10:01 AM
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Re: 91 Accord doesn't start
Jason Faas <jpfaasNOSPAM@neb.rr.com> wrote in
news:BBF6CBF4.12716%jpfaasNOSPAM@neb.rr.com:
> On 12/5/03 14:14, in article
> 7690289c.0312051214.3aec7a93@posting.google.com, "Raj"
><planet_first@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> My 91 Accord with 146K miles won't start since 2 days. I browsed
>> thru' the NG and I found that the symptoms match the famous "main
>> relay" problem. So last night I tried more diagnosis. Here' what I
>> found -
>> - when I turned the key to run, I couln't hear the fuel pump
>> whirring. It is posssible that it is running and I couldn't hear it
>> beacuse of road noise (heavy traffic)
>> - when the "check engine" shuts off, I hear a click; so I *guess*
>> the fp is shutting down
>> - when I turn the key to start, it sounds like it *wants* to start
>> but can't.
>> - tried to jump from my Odyssey as well as from AAA guy to no avail.
>>
>> Please help me determine what could be broken.
>> I plan to replace the MR anyway tomorrow (what the heck, it will
>> probabaly break soon anyway!)
>>
>> TIA.
>>
>> Raj
>
>
> These guys in the group just helped me with a faulty main relay last
> week, so I'll pass on a little of what I learned.
>
> You mention the click when the "check engine" shut off. Mine had the
> same click, even though the relay wasn't working properly. It is a
> rather complicated relay, actually two in one, with one dependent upon
> the other. If either switch fails, the car won't run.
>
> I think the easiest test is to pull the connector and put two jumper
> wires in place of the relay. On my '91 *Civic*, they connect from
> 1-3, and 5-7. I can only guess that it is the same on your Accord.
> I'll try to draw a picture of the connector.
>
>
> _______
> ________|_______|________
>|_2__|__4___|___6__|__8__|
>|_1__|__3___|___5__|__7__|
>
>
> It's up to you if you want to drive with these in place. The big
> danger is the fuel pump will keep running if you crash, possibly
> creating a big fire. The other caution is to disconnect wires when not
> driving.
>
> Good luck,
>
> Jason
>
Geez,it's SO much easier (and safer!)to just resolder the main
relay,ELIMINATING it as a trouble source.
--
Jim Yanik,NRA member
jyanik-at-kua.net
news:BBF6CBF4.12716%jpfaasNOSPAM@neb.rr.com:
> On 12/5/03 14:14, in article
> 7690289c.0312051214.3aec7a93@posting.google.com, "Raj"
><planet_first@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> My 91 Accord with 146K miles won't start since 2 days. I browsed
>> thru' the NG and I found that the symptoms match the famous "main
>> relay" problem. So last night I tried more diagnosis. Here' what I
>> found -
>> - when I turned the key to run, I couln't hear the fuel pump
>> whirring. It is posssible that it is running and I couldn't hear it
>> beacuse of road noise (heavy traffic)
>> - when the "check engine" shuts off, I hear a click; so I *guess*
>> the fp is shutting down
>> - when I turn the key to start, it sounds like it *wants* to start
>> but can't.
>> - tried to jump from my Odyssey as well as from AAA guy to no avail.
>>
>> Please help me determine what could be broken.
>> I plan to replace the MR anyway tomorrow (what the heck, it will
>> probabaly break soon anyway!)
>>
>> TIA.
>>
>> Raj
>
>
> These guys in the group just helped me with a faulty main relay last
> week, so I'll pass on a little of what I learned.
>
> You mention the click when the "check engine" shut off. Mine had the
> same click, even though the relay wasn't working properly. It is a
> rather complicated relay, actually two in one, with one dependent upon
> the other. If either switch fails, the car won't run.
>
> I think the easiest test is to pull the connector and put two jumper
> wires in place of the relay. On my '91 *Civic*, they connect from
> 1-3, and 5-7. I can only guess that it is the same on your Accord.
> I'll try to draw a picture of the connector.
>
>
> _______
> ________|_______|________
>|_2__|__4___|___6__|__8__|
>|_1__|__3___|___5__|__7__|
>
>
> It's up to you if you want to drive with these in place. The big
> danger is the fuel pump will keep running if you crash, possibly
> creating a big fire. The other caution is to disconnect wires when not
> driving.
>
> Good luck,
>
> Jason
>
Geez,it's SO much easier (and safer!)to just resolder the main
relay,ELIMINATING it as a trouble source.
--
Jim Yanik,NRA member
jyanik-at-kua.net
12-06-2003 | 11:24 AM
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Re: 91 Accord doesn't start
On 12/6/03 9:01, in article Xns94496623799EEjyanikkuanet@204.117.192.21,
"Jim Yanik" <jyanik@abuse.gov> wrote:
> Jason Faas <jpfaasNOSPAM@neb.rr.com> wrote in
> news:BBF6CBF4.12716%jpfaasNOSPAM@neb.rr.com:
>
>> On 12/5/03 14:14, in article
>> 7690289c.0312051214.3aec7a93@posting.google.com, "Raj"
>> <planet_first@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> My 91 Accord with 146K miles won't start since 2 days. I browsed
>>> thru' the NG and I found that the symptoms match the famous "main
>>> relay" problem. So last night I tried more diagnosis. Here' what I
>>> found -
>>> - when I turned the key to run, I couln't hear the fuel pump
>>> whirring. It is posssible that it is running and I couldn't hear it
>>> beacuse of road noise (heavy traffic)
>>> - when the "check engine" shuts off, I hear a click; so I *guess*
>>> the fp is shutting down
>>> - when I turn the key to start, it sounds like it *wants* to start
>>> but can't.
>>> - tried to jump from my Odyssey as well as from AAA guy to no avail.
>>>
>>> Please help me determine what could be broken.
>>> I plan to replace the MR anyway tomorrow (what the heck, it will
>>> probabaly break soon anyway!)
>>>
>>> TIA.
>>>
>>> Raj
>>
>>
>> These guys in the group just helped me with a faulty main relay last
>> week, so I'll pass on a little of what I learned.
>>
>> You mention the click when the "check engine" shut off. Mine had the
>> same click, even though the relay wasn't working properly. It is a
>> rather complicated relay, actually two in one, with one dependent upon
>> the other. If either switch fails, the car won't run.
>>
>> I think the easiest test is to pull the connector and put two jumper
>> wires in place of the relay. On my '91 *Civic*, they connect from
>> 1-3, and 5-7. I can only guess that it is the same on your Accord.
>> I'll try to draw a picture of the connector.
>>
>>
>> _______
>> ________|_______|________
>> |_2__|__4___|___6__|__8__|
>> |_1__|__3___|___5__|__7__|
>>
>>
>> It's up to you if you want to drive with these in place. The big
>> danger is the fuel pump will keep running if you crash, possibly
>> creating a big fire. The other caution is to disconnect wires when not
>> driving.
>>
>> Good luck,
>>
>> Jason
>>
>
> Geez,it's SO much easier (and safer!)to just resolder the main
> relay,ELIMINATING it as a trouble source.
Well, it took me 20 minutes to get the relay out of it's hiding spot in my
Civic and an additional 10 seconds to TEST it by replacing it with jumper
wires as described above. Since it did not run with the relay, and did run
with the jumpers, I could then be sure that the relay was at fault and
proceed to solder it, thus ELIMINATING it as a trouble source. It's also a
good trick to have up your sleeve if your home soldering job fails for any
reason and you need to get your car to a safer area.
Jason
"Jim Yanik" <jyanik@abuse.gov> wrote:
> Jason Faas <jpfaasNOSPAM@neb.rr.com> wrote in
> news:BBF6CBF4.12716%jpfaasNOSPAM@neb.rr.com:
>
>> On 12/5/03 14:14, in article
>> 7690289c.0312051214.3aec7a93@posting.google.com, "Raj"
>> <planet_first@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> My 91 Accord with 146K miles won't start since 2 days. I browsed
>>> thru' the NG and I found that the symptoms match the famous "main
>>> relay" problem. So last night I tried more diagnosis. Here' what I
>>> found -
>>> - when I turned the key to run, I couln't hear the fuel pump
>>> whirring. It is posssible that it is running and I couldn't hear it
>>> beacuse of road noise (heavy traffic)
>>> - when the "check engine" shuts off, I hear a click; so I *guess*
>>> the fp is shutting down
>>> - when I turn the key to start, it sounds like it *wants* to start
>>> but can't.
>>> - tried to jump from my Odyssey as well as from AAA guy to no avail.
>>>
>>> Please help me determine what could be broken.
>>> I plan to replace the MR anyway tomorrow (what the heck, it will
>>> probabaly break soon anyway!)
>>>
>>> TIA.
>>>
>>> Raj
>>
>>
>> These guys in the group just helped me with a faulty main relay last
>> week, so I'll pass on a little of what I learned.
>>
>> You mention the click when the "check engine" shut off. Mine had the
>> same click, even though the relay wasn't working properly. It is a
>> rather complicated relay, actually two in one, with one dependent upon
>> the other. If either switch fails, the car won't run.
>>
>> I think the easiest test is to pull the connector and put two jumper
>> wires in place of the relay. On my '91 *Civic*, they connect from
>> 1-3, and 5-7. I can only guess that it is the same on your Accord.
>> I'll try to draw a picture of the connector.
>>
>>
>> _______
>> ________|_______|________
>> |_2__|__4___|___6__|__8__|
>> |_1__|__3___|___5__|__7__|
>>
>>
>> It's up to you if you want to drive with these in place. The big
>> danger is the fuel pump will keep running if you crash, possibly
>> creating a big fire. The other caution is to disconnect wires when not
>> driving.
>>
>> Good luck,
>>
>> Jason
>>
>
> Geez,it's SO much easier (and safer!)to just resolder the main
> relay,ELIMINATING it as a trouble source.
Well, it took me 20 minutes to get the relay out of it's hiding spot in my
Civic and an additional 10 seconds to TEST it by replacing it with jumper
wires as described above. Since it did not run with the relay, and did run
with the jumpers, I could then be sure that the relay was at fault and
proceed to solder it, thus ELIMINATING it as a trouble source. It's also a
good trick to have up your sleeve if your home soldering job fails for any
reason and you need to get your car to a safer area.
Jason
12-06-2003 | 11:24 AM
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Re: 91 Accord doesn't start
On 12/6/03 9:01, in article Xns94496623799EEjyanikkuanet@204.117.192.21,
"Jim Yanik" <jyanik@abuse.gov> wrote:
> Jason Faas <jpfaasNOSPAM@neb.rr.com> wrote in
> news:BBF6CBF4.12716%jpfaasNOSPAM@neb.rr.com:
>
>> On 12/5/03 14:14, in article
>> 7690289c.0312051214.3aec7a93@posting.google.com, "Raj"
>> <planet_first@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> My 91 Accord with 146K miles won't start since 2 days. I browsed
>>> thru' the NG and I found that the symptoms match the famous "main
>>> relay" problem. So last night I tried more diagnosis. Here' what I
>>> found -
>>> - when I turned the key to run, I couln't hear the fuel pump
>>> whirring. It is posssible that it is running and I couldn't hear it
>>> beacuse of road noise (heavy traffic)
>>> - when the "check engine" shuts off, I hear a click; so I *guess*
>>> the fp is shutting down
>>> - when I turn the key to start, it sounds like it *wants* to start
>>> but can't.
>>> - tried to jump from my Odyssey as well as from AAA guy to no avail.
>>>
>>> Please help me determine what could be broken.
>>> I plan to replace the MR anyway tomorrow (what the heck, it will
>>> probabaly break soon anyway!)
>>>
>>> TIA.
>>>
>>> Raj
>>
>>
>> These guys in the group just helped me with a faulty main relay last
>> week, so I'll pass on a little of what I learned.
>>
>> You mention the click when the "check engine" shut off. Mine had the
>> same click, even though the relay wasn't working properly. It is a
>> rather complicated relay, actually two in one, with one dependent upon
>> the other. If either switch fails, the car won't run.
>>
>> I think the easiest test is to pull the connector and put two jumper
>> wires in place of the relay. On my '91 *Civic*, they connect from
>> 1-3, and 5-7. I can only guess that it is the same on your Accord.
>> I'll try to draw a picture of the connector.
>>
>>
>> _______
>> ________|_______|________
>> |_2__|__4___|___6__|__8__|
>> |_1__|__3___|___5__|__7__|
>>
>>
>> It's up to you if you want to drive with these in place. The big
>> danger is the fuel pump will keep running if you crash, possibly
>> creating a big fire. The other caution is to disconnect wires when not
>> driving.
>>
>> Good luck,
>>
>> Jason
>>
>
> Geez,it's SO much easier (and safer!)to just resolder the main
> relay,ELIMINATING it as a trouble source.
Well, it took me 20 minutes to get the relay out of it's hiding spot in my
Civic and an additional 10 seconds to TEST it by replacing it with jumper
wires as described above. Since it did not run with the relay, and did run
with the jumpers, I could then be sure that the relay was at fault and
proceed to solder it, thus ELIMINATING it as a trouble source. It's also a
good trick to have up your sleeve if your home soldering job fails for any
reason and you need to get your car to a safer area.
Jason
"Jim Yanik" <jyanik@abuse.gov> wrote:
> Jason Faas <jpfaasNOSPAM@neb.rr.com> wrote in
> news:BBF6CBF4.12716%jpfaasNOSPAM@neb.rr.com:
>
>> On 12/5/03 14:14, in article
>> 7690289c.0312051214.3aec7a93@posting.google.com, "Raj"
>> <planet_first@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> My 91 Accord with 146K miles won't start since 2 days. I browsed
>>> thru' the NG and I found that the symptoms match the famous "main
>>> relay" problem. So last night I tried more diagnosis. Here' what I
>>> found -
>>> - when I turned the key to run, I couln't hear the fuel pump
>>> whirring. It is posssible that it is running and I couldn't hear it
>>> beacuse of road noise (heavy traffic)
>>> - when the "check engine" shuts off, I hear a click; so I *guess*
>>> the fp is shutting down
>>> - when I turn the key to start, it sounds like it *wants* to start
>>> but can't.
>>> - tried to jump from my Odyssey as well as from AAA guy to no avail.
>>>
>>> Please help me determine what could be broken.
>>> I plan to replace the MR anyway tomorrow (what the heck, it will
>>> probabaly break soon anyway!)
>>>
>>> TIA.
>>>
>>> Raj
>>
>>
>> These guys in the group just helped me with a faulty main relay last
>> week, so I'll pass on a little of what I learned.
>>
>> You mention the click when the "check engine" shut off. Mine had the
>> same click, even though the relay wasn't working properly. It is a
>> rather complicated relay, actually two in one, with one dependent upon
>> the other. If either switch fails, the car won't run.
>>
>> I think the easiest test is to pull the connector and put two jumper
>> wires in place of the relay. On my '91 *Civic*, they connect from
>> 1-3, and 5-7. I can only guess that it is the same on your Accord.
>> I'll try to draw a picture of the connector.
>>
>>
>> _______
>> ________|_______|________
>> |_2__|__4___|___6__|__8__|
>> |_1__|__3___|___5__|__7__|
>>
>>
>> It's up to you if you want to drive with these in place. The big
>> danger is the fuel pump will keep running if you crash, possibly
>> creating a big fire. The other caution is to disconnect wires when not
>> driving.
>>
>> Good luck,
>>
>> Jason
>>
>
> Geez,it's SO much easier (and safer!)to just resolder the main
> relay,ELIMINATING it as a trouble source.
Well, it took me 20 minutes to get the relay out of it's hiding spot in my
Civic and an additional 10 seconds to TEST it by replacing it with jumper
wires as described above. Since it did not run with the relay, and did run
with the jumpers, I could then be sure that the relay was at fault and
proceed to solder it, thus ELIMINATING it as a trouble source. It's also a
good trick to have up your sleeve if your home soldering job fails for any
reason and you need to get your car to a safer area.
Jason
12-06-2003 | 11:24 AM
#28
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Re: 91 Accord doesn't start
On 12/6/03 9:01, in article Xns94496623799EEjyanikkuanet@204.117.192.21,
"Jim Yanik" <jyanik@abuse.gov> wrote:
> Jason Faas <jpfaasNOSPAM@neb.rr.com> wrote in
> news:BBF6CBF4.12716%jpfaasNOSPAM@neb.rr.com:
>
>> On 12/5/03 14:14, in article
>> 7690289c.0312051214.3aec7a93@posting.google.com, "Raj"
>> <planet_first@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> My 91 Accord with 146K miles won't start since 2 days. I browsed
>>> thru' the NG and I found that the symptoms match the famous "main
>>> relay" problem. So last night I tried more diagnosis. Here' what I
>>> found -
>>> - when I turned the key to run, I couln't hear the fuel pump
>>> whirring. It is posssible that it is running and I couldn't hear it
>>> beacuse of road noise (heavy traffic)
>>> - when the "check engine" shuts off, I hear a click; so I *guess*
>>> the fp is shutting down
>>> - when I turn the key to start, it sounds like it *wants* to start
>>> but can't.
>>> - tried to jump from my Odyssey as well as from AAA guy to no avail.
>>>
>>> Please help me determine what could be broken.
>>> I plan to replace the MR anyway tomorrow (what the heck, it will
>>> probabaly break soon anyway!)
>>>
>>> TIA.
>>>
>>> Raj
>>
>>
>> These guys in the group just helped me with a faulty main relay last
>> week, so I'll pass on a little of what I learned.
>>
>> You mention the click when the "check engine" shut off. Mine had the
>> same click, even though the relay wasn't working properly. It is a
>> rather complicated relay, actually two in one, with one dependent upon
>> the other. If either switch fails, the car won't run.
>>
>> I think the easiest test is to pull the connector and put two jumper
>> wires in place of the relay. On my '91 *Civic*, they connect from
>> 1-3, and 5-7. I can only guess that it is the same on your Accord.
>> I'll try to draw a picture of the connector.
>>
>>
>> _______
>> ________|_______|________
>> |_2__|__4___|___6__|__8__|
>> |_1__|__3___|___5__|__7__|
>>
>>
>> It's up to you if you want to drive with these in place. The big
>> danger is the fuel pump will keep running if you crash, possibly
>> creating a big fire. The other caution is to disconnect wires when not
>> driving.
>>
>> Good luck,
>>
>> Jason
>>
>
> Geez,it's SO much easier (and safer!)to just resolder the main
> relay,ELIMINATING it as a trouble source.
Well, it took me 20 minutes to get the relay out of it's hiding spot in my
Civic and an additional 10 seconds to TEST it by replacing it with jumper
wires as described above. Since it did not run with the relay, and did run
with the jumpers, I could then be sure that the relay was at fault and
proceed to solder it, thus ELIMINATING it as a trouble source. It's also a
good trick to have up your sleeve if your home soldering job fails for any
reason and you need to get your car to a safer area.
Jason
"Jim Yanik" <jyanik@abuse.gov> wrote:
> Jason Faas <jpfaasNOSPAM@neb.rr.com> wrote in
> news:BBF6CBF4.12716%jpfaasNOSPAM@neb.rr.com:
>
>> On 12/5/03 14:14, in article
>> 7690289c.0312051214.3aec7a93@posting.google.com, "Raj"
>> <planet_first@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> My 91 Accord with 146K miles won't start since 2 days. I browsed
>>> thru' the NG and I found that the symptoms match the famous "main
>>> relay" problem. So last night I tried more diagnosis. Here' what I
>>> found -
>>> - when I turned the key to run, I couln't hear the fuel pump
>>> whirring. It is posssible that it is running and I couldn't hear it
>>> beacuse of road noise (heavy traffic)
>>> - when the "check engine" shuts off, I hear a click; so I *guess*
>>> the fp is shutting down
>>> - when I turn the key to start, it sounds like it *wants* to start
>>> but can't.
>>> - tried to jump from my Odyssey as well as from AAA guy to no avail.
>>>
>>> Please help me determine what could be broken.
>>> I plan to replace the MR anyway tomorrow (what the heck, it will
>>> probabaly break soon anyway!)
>>>
>>> TIA.
>>>
>>> Raj
>>
>>
>> These guys in the group just helped me with a faulty main relay last
>> week, so I'll pass on a little of what I learned.
>>
>> You mention the click when the "check engine" shut off. Mine had the
>> same click, even though the relay wasn't working properly. It is a
>> rather complicated relay, actually two in one, with one dependent upon
>> the other. If either switch fails, the car won't run.
>>
>> I think the easiest test is to pull the connector and put two jumper
>> wires in place of the relay. On my '91 *Civic*, they connect from
>> 1-3, and 5-7. I can only guess that it is the same on your Accord.
>> I'll try to draw a picture of the connector.
>>
>>
>> _______
>> ________|_______|________
>> |_2__|__4___|___6__|__8__|
>> |_1__|__3___|___5__|__7__|
>>
>>
>> It's up to you if you want to drive with these in place. The big
>> danger is the fuel pump will keep running if you crash, possibly
>> creating a big fire. The other caution is to disconnect wires when not
>> driving.
>>
>> Good luck,
>>
>> Jason
>>
>
> Geez,it's SO much easier (and safer!)to just resolder the main
> relay,ELIMINATING it as a trouble source.
Well, it took me 20 minutes to get the relay out of it's hiding spot in my
Civic and an additional 10 seconds to TEST it by replacing it with jumper
wires as described above. Since it did not run with the relay, and did run
with the jumpers, I could then be sure that the relay was at fault and
proceed to solder it, thus ELIMINATING it as a trouble source. It's also a
good trick to have up your sleeve if your home soldering job fails for any
reason and you need to get your car to a safer area.
Jason
12-06-2003 | 11:24 AM
#29
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: 91 Accord doesn't start
On 12/6/03 9:01, in article Xns94496623799EEjyanikkuanet@204.117.192.21,
"Jim Yanik" <jyanik@abuse.gov> wrote:
> Jason Faas <jpfaasNOSPAM@neb.rr.com> wrote in
> news:BBF6CBF4.12716%jpfaasNOSPAM@neb.rr.com:
>
>> On 12/5/03 14:14, in article
>> 7690289c.0312051214.3aec7a93@posting.google.com, "Raj"
>> <planet_first@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> My 91 Accord with 146K miles won't start since 2 days. I browsed
>>> thru' the NG and I found that the symptoms match the famous "main
>>> relay" problem. So last night I tried more diagnosis. Here' what I
>>> found -
>>> - when I turned the key to run, I couln't hear the fuel pump
>>> whirring. It is posssible that it is running and I couldn't hear it
>>> beacuse of road noise (heavy traffic)
>>> - when the "check engine" shuts off, I hear a click; so I *guess*
>>> the fp is shutting down
>>> - when I turn the key to start, it sounds like it *wants* to start
>>> but can't.
>>> - tried to jump from my Odyssey as well as from AAA guy to no avail.
>>>
>>> Please help me determine what could be broken.
>>> I plan to replace the MR anyway tomorrow (what the heck, it will
>>> probabaly break soon anyway!)
>>>
>>> TIA.
>>>
>>> Raj
>>
>>
>> These guys in the group just helped me with a faulty main relay last
>> week, so I'll pass on a little of what I learned.
>>
>> You mention the click when the "check engine" shut off. Mine had the
>> same click, even though the relay wasn't working properly. It is a
>> rather complicated relay, actually two in one, with one dependent upon
>> the other. If either switch fails, the car won't run.
>>
>> I think the easiest test is to pull the connector and put two jumper
>> wires in place of the relay. On my '91 *Civic*, they connect from
>> 1-3, and 5-7. I can only guess that it is the same on your Accord.
>> I'll try to draw a picture of the connector.
>>
>>
>> _______
>> ________|_______|________
>> |_2__|__4___|___6__|__8__|
>> |_1__|__3___|___5__|__7__|
>>
>>
>> It's up to you if you want to drive with these in place. The big
>> danger is the fuel pump will keep running if you crash, possibly
>> creating a big fire. The other caution is to disconnect wires when not
>> driving.
>>
>> Good luck,
>>
>> Jason
>>
>
> Geez,it's SO much easier (and safer!)to just resolder the main
> relay,ELIMINATING it as a trouble source.
Well, it took me 20 minutes to get the relay out of it's hiding spot in my
Civic and an additional 10 seconds to TEST it by replacing it with jumper
wires as described above. Since it did not run with the relay, and did run
with the jumpers, I could then be sure that the relay was at fault and
proceed to solder it, thus ELIMINATING it as a trouble source. It's also a
good trick to have up your sleeve if your home soldering job fails for any
reason and you need to get your car to a safer area.
Jason
"Jim Yanik" <jyanik@abuse.gov> wrote:
> Jason Faas <jpfaasNOSPAM@neb.rr.com> wrote in
> news:BBF6CBF4.12716%jpfaasNOSPAM@neb.rr.com:
>
>> On 12/5/03 14:14, in article
>> 7690289c.0312051214.3aec7a93@posting.google.com, "Raj"
>> <planet_first@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> My 91 Accord with 146K miles won't start since 2 days. I browsed
>>> thru' the NG and I found that the symptoms match the famous "main
>>> relay" problem. So last night I tried more diagnosis. Here' what I
>>> found -
>>> - when I turned the key to run, I couln't hear the fuel pump
>>> whirring. It is posssible that it is running and I couldn't hear it
>>> beacuse of road noise (heavy traffic)
>>> - when the "check engine" shuts off, I hear a click; so I *guess*
>>> the fp is shutting down
>>> - when I turn the key to start, it sounds like it *wants* to start
>>> but can't.
>>> - tried to jump from my Odyssey as well as from AAA guy to no avail.
>>>
>>> Please help me determine what could be broken.
>>> I plan to replace the MR anyway tomorrow (what the heck, it will
>>> probabaly break soon anyway!)
>>>
>>> TIA.
>>>
>>> Raj
>>
>>
>> These guys in the group just helped me with a faulty main relay last
>> week, so I'll pass on a little of what I learned.
>>
>> You mention the click when the "check engine" shut off. Mine had the
>> same click, even though the relay wasn't working properly. It is a
>> rather complicated relay, actually two in one, with one dependent upon
>> the other. If either switch fails, the car won't run.
>>
>> I think the easiest test is to pull the connector and put two jumper
>> wires in place of the relay. On my '91 *Civic*, they connect from
>> 1-3, and 5-7. I can only guess that it is the same on your Accord.
>> I'll try to draw a picture of the connector.
>>
>>
>> _______
>> ________|_______|________
>> |_2__|__4___|___6__|__8__|
>> |_1__|__3___|___5__|__7__|
>>
>>
>> It's up to you if you want to drive with these in place. The big
>> danger is the fuel pump will keep running if you crash, possibly
>> creating a big fire. The other caution is to disconnect wires when not
>> driving.
>>
>> Good luck,
>>
>> Jason
>>
>
> Geez,it's SO much easier (and safer!)to just resolder the main
> relay,ELIMINATING it as a trouble source.
Well, it took me 20 minutes to get the relay out of it's hiding spot in my
Civic and an additional 10 seconds to TEST it by replacing it with jumper
wires as described above. Since it did not run with the relay, and did run
with the jumpers, I could then be sure that the relay was at fault and
proceed to solder it, thus ELIMINATING it as a trouble source. It's also a
good trick to have up your sleeve if your home soldering job fails for any
reason and you need to get your car to a safer area.
Jason
12-06-2003 | 07:32 PM
#30
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Re: 91 Accord doesn't start
=== snip ===
Thanks all. We got about a foot of snow dumped on us since Friday!
The Accord was sitting out in the driveway where I was trying to jump
it, so I guess the relay replacement must wait till tomorrow or Mon.
:-(
I *was* puzzled about it's behavior during past few months. I had
encountered the standard "won't start after a quick run to grocery
store" a few times. I should have queried this NG back then, would
have saved myself some grief. Oh well!
Thanks again.
Raj
Thanks all. We got about a foot of snow dumped on us since Friday!
The Accord was sitting out in the driveway where I was trying to jump
it, so I guess the relay replacement must wait till tomorrow or Mon.
:-(
I *was* puzzled about it's behavior during past few months. I had
encountered the standard "won't start after a quick run to grocery
store" a few times. I should have queried this NG back then, would
have saved myself some grief. Oh well!
Thanks again.
Raj