90 Honda accord starting problem
10-02-2006 | 07:21 PM
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Re: 90 Honda accord starting problem
The crack(s) might be very small. Maybe unnoticeable. There are some
pictures on some this showing them (notice the ring around the posts.
That's bad! ) http://techauto.tripod.com/mainrelay.htm . Just
re-solder all joints to be sure. I did mine a few years ago on my '91
DX and still working well.
On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 22:37:00 GMT, "ANTHONY DIODATI"
<mrbreezeet1@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>"ANTHONY DIODATI" <mrbreezeet1@verizon.net> wrote in message
>news:q3OSg.13090$Vk4.4527@trnddc01...
>>
>> "'Curly Q. Links'" <motsco__@interbaun.com> wrote in message
>> news:451B9A4B.869174CC@interbaun.com...
>> > ANTHONY DIODATI wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Hi All, we have a 90 accord in the shop that would not start.
>> >
>> > ----------------------------------------------
>> >
>> > Next time it happens (until you get the relay replaced / resoldered) you
>> > can just turn the key to position II and smack the dash or slam the
>> > driver's door. You'll hear the fuel pump run for three seconds and the
>> > engine will now start. The vibration will keep the relay working until
>> > you next shut it off....
>> >
>> > It's also temperature related, so cooling the interior of the car
>> > usually works too. That's why it's famous for stranding people at
>> > 7-Eleven. You come out of the store and it won't start (interior is hot
>> > from the sun). You come back later and it starts. Sun has gone down in
>> > the meantime.
>> >
>> > Don't think of unbolting the relay, just slip it out of it's shell and
>> > take it inside to resolder. Should last the rest of the vehicle's life.
>>
>> <<<you
>> > can just turn the key to position II and smack the dash or slam the
>> > driver's door. You'll hear the fuel pump run for three seconds and the
>> > engine will now start.
>>
>> Thanks, I'll have him try that
>>
>> Useful link too, Thanks Jim
>> Tony
>Well another guy told him the same thing, about the main relay, told him to
>slam the door too, he got it started that way. He replaced the relay and so
>far so good!
>I opened up the old relay, but could not really see any bad solder joints.
>Is this something that you really can't see? You just re solder them any
>way?
>Also what all years have this main relay?
>Thanks, Tony
>
pictures on some this showing them (notice the ring around the posts.
That's bad! ) http://techauto.tripod.com/mainrelay.htm . Just
re-solder all joints to be sure. I did mine a few years ago on my '91
DX and still working well.
On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 22:37:00 GMT, "ANTHONY DIODATI"
<mrbreezeet1@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>"ANTHONY DIODATI" <mrbreezeet1@verizon.net> wrote in message
>news:q3OSg.13090$Vk4.4527@trnddc01...
>>
>> "'Curly Q. Links'" <motsco__@interbaun.com> wrote in message
>> news:451B9A4B.869174CC@interbaun.com...
>> > ANTHONY DIODATI wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Hi All, we have a 90 accord in the shop that would not start.
>> >
>> > ----------------------------------------------
>> >
>> > Next time it happens (until you get the relay replaced / resoldered) you
>> > can just turn the key to position II and smack the dash or slam the
>> > driver's door. You'll hear the fuel pump run for three seconds and the
>> > engine will now start. The vibration will keep the relay working until
>> > you next shut it off....
>> >
>> > It's also temperature related, so cooling the interior of the car
>> > usually works too. That's why it's famous for stranding people at
>> > 7-Eleven. You come out of the store and it won't start (interior is hot
>> > from the sun). You come back later and it starts. Sun has gone down in
>> > the meantime.
>> >
>> > Don't think of unbolting the relay, just slip it out of it's shell and
>> > take it inside to resolder. Should last the rest of the vehicle's life.
>>
>> <<<you
>> > can just turn the key to position II and smack the dash or slam the
>> > driver's door. You'll hear the fuel pump run for three seconds and the
>> > engine will now start.
>>
>> Thanks, I'll have him try that
>>
>> Useful link too, Thanks Jim
>> Tony
>Well another guy told him the same thing, about the main relay, told him to
>slam the door too, he got it started that way. He replaced the relay and so
>far so good!
>I opened up the old relay, but could not really see any bad solder joints.
>Is this something that you really can't see? You just re solder them any
>way?
>Also what all years have this main relay?
>Thanks, Tony
>
10-02-2006 | 08:32 PM
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Re: 90 Honda accord starting problem
"ANTHONY DIODATI" <mrbreezeet1@verizon.net> wrote in
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> I opened up the old relay, but could not really see any bad solder
> joints. Is this something that you really can't see? You just re
> solder them any way?
Yep.
> Also what all years have this main relay?
Every blessed one of them, if they've got EFI. Late carbed cars got a
simplified version called the "fuel cut" relay. It is not prone to the same
problems as the EFI ones.
--
TeGGeR®
The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/
news:gwgUg.15149$3T2.3919@trnddc06:
> I opened up the old relay, but could not really see any bad solder
> joints. Is this something that you really can't see? You just re
> solder them any way?
Yep.
> Also what all years have this main relay?
Every blessed one of them, if they've got EFI. Late carbed cars got a
simplified version called the "fuel cut" relay. It is not prone to the same
problems as the EFI ones.
--
TeGGeR®
The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/
10-02-2006 | 08:32 PM
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"ANTHONY DIODATI" <mrbreezeet1@verizon.net> wrote in
news:gwgUg.15149$3T2.3919@trnddc06:
> I opened up the old relay, but could not really see any bad solder
> joints. Is this something that you really can't see? You just re
> solder them any way?
Yep.
> Also what all years have this main relay?
Every blessed one of them, if they've got EFI. Late carbed cars got a
simplified version called the "fuel cut" relay. It is not prone to the same
problems as the EFI ones.
--
TeGGeR®
The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/
news:gwgUg.15149$3T2.3919@trnddc06:
> I opened up the old relay, but could not really see any bad solder
> joints. Is this something that you really can't see? You just re
> solder them any way?
Yep.
> Also what all years have this main relay?
Every blessed one of them, if they've got EFI. Late carbed cars got a
simplified version called the "fuel cut" relay. It is not prone to the same
problems as the EFI ones.
--
TeGGeR®
The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/
10-02-2006 | 08:32 PM
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Re: 90 Honda accord starting problem
"ANTHONY DIODATI" <mrbreezeet1@verizon.net> wrote in
news:gwgUg.15149$3T2.3919@trnddc06:
> I opened up the old relay, but could not really see any bad solder
> joints. Is this something that you really can't see? You just re
> solder them any way?
Yep.
> Also what all years have this main relay?
Every blessed one of them, if they've got EFI. Late carbed cars got a
simplified version called the "fuel cut" relay. It is not prone to the same
problems as the EFI ones.
--
TeGGeR®
The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/
news:gwgUg.15149$3T2.3919@trnddc06:
> I opened up the old relay, but could not really see any bad solder
> joints. Is this something that you really can't see? You just re
> solder them any way?
Yep.
> Also what all years have this main relay?
Every blessed one of them, if they've got EFI. Late carbed cars got a
simplified version called the "fuel cut" relay. It is not prone to the same
problems as the EFI ones.
--
TeGGeR®
The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/
10-02-2006 | 09:16 PM
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Re: 90 Honda accord starting problem
"TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in
news:Xns9850D0E27DDA6tegger@207.14.116.130:
> "ANTHONY DIODATI" <mrbreezeet1@verizon.net> wrote in
> news:gwgUg.15149$3T2.3919@trnddc06:
>
>
>> I opened up the old relay, but could not really see any bad solder
>> joints. Is this something that you really can't see? You just re
>> solder them any way?
>
>
> Yep.
>
>
>> Also what all years have this main relay?
>
>
>
> Every blessed one of them, if they've got EFI. Late carbed cars got a
> simplified version called the "fuel cut" relay. It is not prone to the
> same problems as the EFI ones.
>
>
SWAG;
Carburators need less fuel pressure,and have a reservoir of fuel in their
bowl that keeps the motor running long enough to avoid relay intermittents.
--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net
news:Xns9850D0E27DDA6tegger@207.14.116.130:
> "ANTHONY DIODATI" <mrbreezeet1@verizon.net> wrote in
> news:gwgUg.15149$3T2.3919@trnddc06:
>
>
>> I opened up the old relay, but could not really see any bad solder
>> joints. Is this something that you really can't see? You just re
>> solder them any way?
>
>
> Yep.
>
>
>> Also what all years have this main relay?
>
>
>
> Every blessed one of them, if they've got EFI. Late carbed cars got a
> simplified version called the "fuel cut" relay. It is not prone to the
> same problems as the EFI ones.
>
>
SWAG;
Carburators need less fuel pressure,and have a reservoir of fuel in their
bowl that keeps the motor running long enough to avoid relay intermittents.
--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net
10-02-2006 | 09:16 PM
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Re: 90 Honda accord starting problem
"TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in
news:Xns9850D0E27DDA6tegger@207.14.116.130:
> "ANTHONY DIODATI" <mrbreezeet1@verizon.net> wrote in
> news:gwgUg.15149$3T2.3919@trnddc06:
>
>
>> I opened up the old relay, but could not really see any bad solder
>> joints. Is this something that you really can't see? You just re
>> solder them any way?
>
>
> Yep.
>
>
>> Also what all years have this main relay?
>
>
>
> Every blessed one of them, if they've got EFI. Late carbed cars got a
> simplified version called the "fuel cut" relay. It is not prone to the
> same problems as the EFI ones.
>
>
SWAG;
Carburators need less fuel pressure,and have a reservoir of fuel in their
bowl that keeps the motor running long enough to avoid relay intermittents.
--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net
news:Xns9850D0E27DDA6tegger@207.14.116.130:
> "ANTHONY DIODATI" <mrbreezeet1@verizon.net> wrote in
> news:gwgUg.15149$3T2.3919@trnddc06:
>
>
>> I opened up the old relay, but could not really see any bad solder
>> joints. Is this something that you really can't see? You just re
>> solder them any way?
>
>
> Yep.
>
>
>> Also what all years have this main relay?
>
>
>
> Every blessed one of them, if they've got EFI. Late carbed cars got a
> simplified version called the "fuel cut" relay. It is not prone to the
> same problems as the EFI ones.
>
>
SWAG;
Carburators need less fuel pressure,and have a reservoir of fuel in their
bowl that keeps the motor running long enough to avoid relay intermittents.
--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net
10-02-2006 | 09:16 PM
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"TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in
news:Xns9850D0E27DDA6tegger@207.14.116.130:
> "ANTHONY DIODATI" <mrbreezeet1@verizon.net> wrote in
> news:gwgUg.15149$3T2.3919@trnddc06:
>
>
>> I opened up the old relay, but could not really see any bad solder
>> joints. Is this something that you really can't see? You just re
>> solder them any way?
>
>
> Yep.
>
>
>> Also what all years have this main relay?
>
>
>
> Every blessed one of them, if they've got EFI. Late carbed cars got a
> simplified version called the "fuel cut" relay. It is not prone to the
> same problems as the EFI ones.
>
>
SWAG;
Carburators need less fuel pressure,and have a reservoir of fuel in their
bowl that keeps the motor running long enough to avoid relay intermittents.
--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net
news:Xns9850D0E27DDA6tegger@207.14.116.130:
> "ANTHONY DIODATI" <mrbreezeet1@verizon.net> wrote in
> news:gwgUg.15149$3T2.3919@trnddc06:
>
>
>> I opened up the old relay, but could not really see any bad solder
>> joints. Is this something that you really can't see? You just re
>> solder them any way?
>
>
> Yep.
>
>
>> Also what all years have this main relay?
>
>
>
> Every blessed one of them, if they've got EFI. Late carbed cars got a
> simplified version called the "fuel cut" relay. It is not prone to the
> same problems as the EFI ones.
>
>
SWAG;
Carburators need less fuel pressure,and have a reservoir of fuel in their
bowl that keeps the motor running long enough to avoid relay intermittents.
--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net
10-02-2006 | 09:44 PM
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Re: 90 Honda accord starting problem
"ANTHONY DIODATI" <mrbreezeet1@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:gwgUg.15149$3T2.3919@trnddc06...
> Well another guy told him the same thing, about the main relay, told him
> to
> slam the door too, he got it started that way. He replaced the relay and
> so
> far so good!
> I opened up the old relay, but could not really see any bad solder joints.
> Is this something that you really can't see? You just re solder them any
> way?
Just resolder them all anyway, because you want to fix not only the ones
that have cracked but also reflow the ones that are getting fatigued without
visible cracks.
When I was young I could see bad solder connections two feet away in
fluorescent light. Now I need sunlight, I take off my glasses and put my
face in close. A magnifier and good light are the best way to see them.
Mike
news:gwgUg.15149$3T2.3919@trnddc06...
> Well another guy told him the same thing, about the main relay, told him
> to
> slam the door too, he got it started that way. He replaced the relay and
> so
> far so good!
> I opened up the old relay, but could not really see any bad solder joints.
> Is this something that you really can't see? You just re solder them any
> way?
Just resolder them all anyway, because you want to fix not only the ones
that have cracked but also reflow the ones that are getting fatigued without
visible cracks.
When I was young I could see bad solder connections two feet away in
fluorescent light. Now I need sunlight, I take off my glasses and put my
face in close. A magnifier and good light are the best way to see them.
Mike
10-02-2006 | 09:44 PM
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"ANTHONY DIODATI" <mrbreezeet1@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:gwgUg.15149$3T2.3919@trnddc06...
> Well another guy told him the same thing, about the main relay, told him
> to
> slam the door too, he got it started that way. He replaced the relay and
> so
> far so good!
> I opened up the old relay, but could not really see any bad solder joints.
> Is this something that you really can't see? You just re solder them any
> way?
Just resolder them all anyway, because you want to fix not only the ones
that have cracked but also reflow the ones that are getting fatigued without
visible cracks.
When I was young I could see bad solder connections two feet away in
fluorescent light. Now I need sunlight, I take off my glasses and put my
face in close. A magnifier and good light are the best way to see them.
Mike
news:gwgUg.15149$3T2.3919@trnddc06...
> Well another guy told him the same thing, about the main relay, told him
> to
> slam the door too, he got it started that way. He replaced the relay and
> so
> far so good!
> I opened up the old relay, but could not really see any bad solder joints.
> Is this something that you really can't see? You just re solder them any
> way?
Just resolder them all anyway, because you want to fix not only the ones
that have cracked but also reflow the ones that are getting fatigued without
visible cracks.
When I was young I could see bad solder connections two feet away in
fluorescent light. Now I need sunlight, I take off my glasses and put my
face in close. A magnifier and good light are the best way to see them.
Mike
10-02-2006 | 09:44 PM
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"ANTHONY DIODATI" <mrbreezeet1@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:gwgUg.15149$3T2.3919@trnddc06...
> Well another guy told him the same thing, about the main relay, told him
> to
> slam the door too, he got it started that way. He replaced the relay and
> so
> far so good!
> I opened up the old relay, but could not really see any bad solder joints.
> Is this something that you really can't see? You just re solder them any
> way?
Just resolder them all anyway, because you want to fix not only the ones
that have cracked but also reflow the ones that are getting fatigued without
visible cracks.
When I was young I could see bad solder connections two feet away in
fluorescent light. Now I need sunlight, I take off my glasses and put my
face in close. A magnifier and good light are the best way to see them.
Mike
news:gwgUg.15149$3T2.3919@trnddc06...
> Well another guy told him the same thing, about the main relay, told him
> to
> slam the door too, he got it started that way. He replaced the relay and
> so
> far so good!
> I opened up the old relay, but could not really see any bad solder joints.
> Is this something that you really can't see? You just re solder them any
> way?
Just resolder them all anyway, because you want to fix not only the ones
that have cracked but also reflow the ones that are getting fatigued without
visible cracks.
When I was young I could see bad solder connections two feet away in
fluorescent light. Now I need sunlight, I take off my glasses and put my
face in close. A magnifier and good light are the best way to see them.
Mike
10-03-2006 | 07:20 AM
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"Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote in message
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> "ANTHONY DIODATI" <mrbreezeet1@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:gwgUg.15149$3T2.3919@trnddc06...
> > Well another guy told him the same thing, about the main relay, told him
> > to
> > slam the door too, he got it started that way. He replaced the relay and
> > so
> > far so good!
> > I opened up the old relay, but could not really see any bad solder
joints.
> > Is this something that you really can't see? You just re solder them any
> > way?
>
> Just resolder them all anyway, because you want to fix not only the ones
> that have cracked but also reflow the ones that are getting fatigued
without
> visible cracks.
>
> When I was young I could see bad solder connections two feet away in
> fluorescent light. Now I need sunlight, I take off my glasses and put my
> face in close. A magnifier and good light are the best way to see them.
>
> Mike
All Right!
Thanks For all the help info Links etc.
This is a good thing to know.
Tony
10-03-2006 | 07:20 AM
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"Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote in message
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> "ANTHONY DIODATI" <mrbreezeet1@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:gwgUg.15149$3T2.3919@trnddc06...
> > Well another guy told him the same thing, about the main relay, told him
> > to
> > slam the door too, he got it started that way. He replaced the relay and
> > so
> > far so good!
> > I opened up the old relay, but could not really see any bad solder
joints.
> > Is this something that you really can't see? You just re solder them any
> > way?
>
> Just resolder them all anyway, because you want to fix not only the ones
> that have cracked but also reflow the ones that are getting fatigued
without
> visible cracks.
>
> When I was young I could see bad solder connections two feet away in
> fluorescent light. Now I need sunlight, I take off my glasses and put my
> face in close. A magnifier and good light are the best way to see them.
>
> Mike
All Right!
Thanks For all the help info Links etc.
This is a good thing to know.
Tony
10-03-2006 | 07:20 AM
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"Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote in message
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> "ANTHONY DIODATI" <mrbreezeet1@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:gwgUg.15149$3T2.3919@trnddc06...
> > Well another guy told him the same thing, about the main relay, told him
> > to
> > slam the door too, he got it started that way. He replaced the relay and
> > so
> > far so good!
> > I opened up the old relay, but could not really see any bad solder
joints.
> > Is this something that you really can't see? You just re solder them any
> > way?
>
> Just resolder them all anyway, because you want to fix not only the ones
> that have cracked but also reflow the ones that are getting fatigued
without
> visible cracks.
>
> When I was young I could see bad solder connections two feet away in
> fluorescent light. Now I need sunlight, I take off my glasses and put my
> face in close. A magnifier and good light are the best way to see them.
>
> Mike
All Right!
Thanks For all the help info Links etc.
This is a good thing to know.
Tony
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