TeGGeR® wrote:
> soundy@moltenimage.com wrote in
> news:1156033205.645620.308870@b28g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com:
>
>
>>Okay, quick update... new fuel pump in, took care of the voltage drop
>>problem... now we're getting an ALMOST-start. It cranks, it tries to
>>catch, it won't quite take off.
>>
>>ECU gives a code 16 ("Fuel Injector System: defective circuit or
>>unplugged / defective fuel injector".)
>
>
>
>
> Wanna take a second look at that Main Relay?

Already did. All working fine. Came out of another working Civic, in fact.

Like I said, the injectors ARE working, they ARE spraying fuel (at least, the
main injector is).

 

TeGGeR® wrote:
> soundy@moltenimage.com wrote in
> news:1156033205.645620.308870@b28g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com:
>
>
>>Okay, quick update... new fuel pump in, took care of the voltage drop
>>problem... now we're getting an ALMOST-start. It cranks, it tries to
>>catch, it won't quite take off.
>>
>>ECU gives a code 16 ("Fuel Injector System: defective circuit or
>>unplugged / defective fuel injector".)
>
>
>
>
> Wanna take a second look at that Main Relay?

Already did. All working fine. Came out of another working Civic, in fact.

Like I said, the injectors ARE working, they ARE spraying fuel (at least, the
main injector is).

 

jim beam wrote:
> TeGGeR® wrote:
>
>> soundy@moltenimage.com wrote in
>> news:1156033205.645620.308870@b28g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com:
>>
>>> Okay, quick update... new fuel pump in, took care of the voltage drop
>>> problem... now we're getting an ALMOST-start. It cranks, it tries to
>>> catch, it won't quite take off.
>>>
>>> ECU gives a code 16 ("Fuel Injector System: defective circuit or
>>> unplugged / defective fuel injector".)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Wanna take a second look at that Main Relay?
>>
> yeah, no kidding...

Do you have anything useful to add, or are you just here to be a ***?

 

jim beam wrote:
> TeGGeR® wrote:
>
>> soundy@moltenimage.com wrote in
>> news:1156033205.645620.308870@b28g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com:
>>
>>> Okay, quick update... new fuel pump in, took care of the voltage drop
>>> problem... now we're getting an ALMOST-start. It cranks, it tries to
>>> catch, it won't quite take off.
>>>
>>> ECU gives a code 16 ("Fuel Injector System: defective circuit or
>>> unplugged / defective fuel injector".)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Wanna take a second look at that Main Relay?
>>
> yeah, no kidding...

Do you have anything useful to add, or are you just here to be a ***?

 

jim beam wrote:
> TeGGeR® wrote:
>
>> soundy@moltenimage.com wrote in
>> news:1156033205.645620.308870@b28g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com:
>>
>>> Okay, quick update... new fuel pump in, took care of the voltage drop
>>> problem... now we're getting an ALMOST-start. It cranks, it tries to
>>> catch, it won't quite take off.
>>>
>>> ECU gives a code 16 ("Fuel Injector System: defective circuit or
>>> unplugged / defective fuel injector".)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Wanna take a second look at that Main Relay?
>>
> yeah, no kidding...

Do you have anything useful to add, or are you just here to be a ***?

 

jim beam wrote:
> TeGGeR® wrote:
>
>> soundy@moltenimage.com wrote in
>> news:1156033205.645620.308870@b28g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com:
>>
>>> Okay, quick update... new fuel pump in, took care of the voltage drop
>>> problem... now we're getting an ALMOST-start. It cranks, it tries to
>>> catch, it won't quite take off.
>>>
>>> ECU gives a code 16 ("Fuel Injector System: defective circuit or
>>> unplugged / defective fuel injector".)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Wanna take a second look at that Main Relay?
>>
> yeah, no kidding...

Do you have anything useful to add, or are you just here to be a ***?

 

Matt Ion <soundy@moltenimage.com> wrote in
news:mJaGg.440318$IK3.223342@pd7tw1no:

> TeGGeR® wrote:
>> soundy@moltenimage.com wrote in
>> news:1156033205.645620.308870@b28g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com:
>>
>>
>>>Okay, quick update... new fuel pump in, took care of the voltage drop
>>>problem... now we're getting an ALMOST-start. It cranks, it tries to
>>>catch, it won't quite take off.
>>>
>>>ECU gives a code 16 ("Fuel Injector System: defective circuit or
>>>unplugged / defective fuel injector".)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Wanna take a second look at that Main Relay?
>
> Already did. All working fine. Came out of another working Civic, in
> fact.
>
> Like I said, the injectors ARE working, they ARE spraying fuel (at
> least, the main injector is).
>


So you've for sure got spark, for sure the igniton timing is correct, and
for sure the ECU is driving the injectors correctly now?

Does the car start with a shot of ether?

A code 16 sometimes does actually mean a defective injector.



--
TeGGeR®

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

 

Matt Ion <soundy@moltenimage.com> wrote in
news:mJaGg.440318$IK3.223342@pd7tw1no:

> TeGGeR® wrote:
>> soundy@moltenimage.com wrote in
>> news:1156033205.645620.308870@b28g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com:
>>
>>
>>>Okay, quick update... new fuel pump in, took care of the voltage drop
>>>problem... now we're getting an ALMOST-start. It cranks, it tries to
>>>catch, it won't quite take off.
>>>
>>>ECU gives a code 16 ("Fuel Injector System: defective circuit or
>>>unplugged / defective fuel injector".)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Wanna take a second look at that Main Relay?
>
> Already did. All working fine. Came out of another working Civic, in
> fact.
>
> Like I said, the injectors ARE working, they ARE spraying fuel (at
> least, the main injector is).
>


So you've for sure got spark, for sure the igniton timing is correct, and
for sure the ECU is driving the injectors correctly now?

Does the car start with a shot of ether?

A code 16 sometimes does actually mean a defective injector.



--
TeGGeR®

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

 

Matt Ion <soundy@moltenimage.com> wrote in
news:mJaGg.440318$IK3.223342@pd7tw1no:

> TeGGeR® wrote:
>> soundy@moltenimage.com wrote in
>> news:1156033205.645620.308870@b28g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com:
>>
>>
>>>Okay, quick update... new fuel pump in, took care of the voltage drop
>>>problem... now we're getting an ALMOST-start. It cranks, it tries to
>>>catch, it won't quite take off.
>>>
>>>ECU gives a code 16 ("Fuel Injector System: defective circuit or
>>>unplugged / defective fuel injector".)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Wanna take a second look at that Main Relay?
>
> Already did. All working fine. Came out of another working Civic, in
> fact.
>
> Like I said, the injectors ARE working, they ARE spraying fuel (at
> least, the main injector is).
>


So you've for sure got spark, for sure the igniton timing is correct, and
for sure the ECU is driving the injectors correctly now?

Does the car start with a shot of ether?

A code 16 sometimes does actually mean a defective injector.



--
TeGGeR®

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

 

Matt Ion <soundy@moltenimage.com> wrote in
news:mJaGg.440318$IK3.223342@pd7tw1no:

> TeGGeR® wrote:
>> soundy@moltenimage.com wrote in
>> news:1156033205.645620.308870@b28g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com:
>>
>>
>>>Okay, quick update... new fuel pump in, took care of the voltage drop
>>>problem... now we're getting an ALMOST-start. It cranks, it tries to
>>>catch, it won't quite take off.
>>>
>>>ECU gives a code 16 ("Fuel Injector System: defective circuit or
>>>unplugged / defective fuel injector".)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Wanna take a second look at that Main Relay?
>
> Already did. All working fine. Came out of another working Civic, in
> fact.
>
> Like I said, the injectors ARE working, they ARE spraying fuel (at
> least, the main injector is).
>


So you've for sure got spark, for sure the igniton timing is correct, and
for sure the ECU is driving the injectors correctly now?

Does the car start with a shot of ether?

A code 16 sometimes does actually mean a defective injector.



--
TeGGeR®

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

 

TeGGeR® wrote:
> Matt Ion <soundy@moltenimage.com> wrote in
> news:mJaGg.440318$IK3.223342@pd7tw1no:
>
>
>>TeGGeR® wrote:
>>
>>>soundy@moltenimage.com wrote in
>>>news:1156033205.645620.308870@b28g2000cwb.googl egroups.com:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Okay, quick update... new fuel pump in, took care of the voltage drop
>>>>problem... now we're getting an ALMOST-start. It cranks, it tries to
>>>>catch, it won't quite take off.
>>>>
>>>>ECU gives a code 16 ("Fuel Injector System: defective circuit or
>>>>unplugged / defective fuel injector".)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Wanna take a second look at that Main Relay?
>>
>>Already did. All working fine. Came out of another working Civic, in
>>fact.
>>
>>Like I said, the injectors ARE working, they ARE spraying fuel (at
>>least, the main injector is).
>>
>
>
>
> So you've for sure got spark, for sure the igniton timing is correct, and
> for sure the ECU is driving the injectors correctly now?

Heheheh, funny story...

> Does the car start with a shot of ether?

Wanted to try that, but buddy didn't have any in the shop, and at that point we
didn't have time to go pick some up.

> A code 16 sometimes does actually mean a defective injector.

That's what I figured, but they seemed to bench-test fine.

Anyway... buddy just called, he got it going: new plugs and a fresh battery and
it fired right up. Apparently the Bosch Platinums that came in the thing were
bunk, despite showing good soild spark when tested outside the engine(???).

Would be interesting to see if the ECU is still giving an error code. I'm
wondering if it might have been stored from when the bad fuel pump was still in;
I can see how the pump dragging down the voltage could affect injector
operation, since all three are on the same circuit off the main relay, and the
ECU might read the lack of input signal from the injectors as a "bad" unit(s).
Or it may have even stored that code from when we tested the injector wiring
with them disconnected? How long does the ECU hold codes?

So, another mystery solved... once again, I thank you all for your assistance,
especially the masterful TeGGeR

 

TeGGeR® wrote:
> Matt Ion <soundy@moltenimage.com> wrote in
> news:mJaGg.440318$IK3.223342@pd7tw1no:
>
>
>>TeGGeR® wrote:
>>
>>>soundy@moltenimage.com wrote in
>>>news:1156033205.645620.308870@b28g2000cwb.googl egroups.com:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Okay, quick update... new fuel pump in, took care of the voltage drop
>>>>problem... now we're getting an ALMOST-start. It cranks, it tries to
>>>>catch, it won't quite take off.
>>>>
>>>>ECU gives a code 16 ("Fuel Injector System: defective circuit or
>>>>unplugged / defective fuel injector".)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Wanna take a second look at that Main Relay?
>>
>>Already did. All working fine. Came out of another working Civic, in
>>fact.
>>
>>Like I said, the injectors ARE working, they ARE spraying fuel (at
>>least, the main injector is).
>>
>
>
>
> So you've for sure got spark, for sure the igniton timing is correct, and
> for sure the ECU is driving the injectors correctly now?

Heheheh, funny story...

> Does the car start with a shot of ether?

Wanted to try that, but buddy didn't have any in the shop, and at that point we
didn't have time to go pick some up.

> A code 16 sometimes does actually mean a defective injector.

That's what I figured, but they seemed to bench-test fine.

Anyway... buddy just called, he got it going: new plugs and a fresh battery and
it fired right up. Apparently the Bosch Platinums that came in the thing were
bunk, despite showing good soild spark when tested outside the engine(???).

Would be interesting to see if the ECU is still giving an error code. I'm
wondering if it might have been stored from when the bad fuel pump was still in;
I can see how the pump dragging down the voltage could affect injector
operation, since all three are on the same circuit off the main relay, and the
ECU might read the lack of input signal from the injectors as a "bad" unit(s).
Or it may have even stored that code from when we tested the injector wiring
with them disconnected? How long does the ECU hold codes?

So, another mystery solved... once again, I thank you all for your assistance,
especially the masterful TeGGeR

 

TeGGeR® wrote:
> Matt Ion <soundy@moltenimage.com> wrote in
> news:mJaGg.440318$IK3.223342@pd7tw1no:
>
>
>>TeGGeR® wrote:
>>
>>>soundy@moltenimage.com wrote in
>>>news:1156033205.645620.308870@b28g2000cwb.googl egroups.com:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Okay, quick update... new fuel pump in, took care of the voltage drop
>>>>problem... now we're getting an ALMOST-start. It cranks, it tries to
>>>>catch, it won't quite take off.
>>>>
>>>>ECU gives a code 16 ("Fuel Injector System: defective circuit or
>>>>unplugged / defective fuel injector".)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Wanna take a second look at that Main Relay?
>>
>>Already did. All working fine. Came out of another working Civic, in
>>fact.
>>
>>Like I said, the injectors ARE working, they ARE spraying fuel (at
>>least, the main injector is).
>>
>
>
>
> So you've for sure got spark, for sure the igniton timing is correct, and
> for sure the ECU is driving the injectors correctly now?

Heheheh, funny story...

> Does the car start with a shot of ether?

Wanted to try that, but buddy didn't have any in the shop, and at that point we
didn't have time to go pick some up.

> A code 16 sometimes does actually mean a defective injector.

That's what I figured, but they seemed to bench-test fine.

Anyway... buddy just called, he got it going: new plugs and a fresh battery and
it fired right up. Apparently the Bosch Platinums that came in the thing were
bunk, despite showing good soild spark when tested outside the engine(???).

Would be interesting to see if the ECU is still giving an error code. I'm
wondering if it might have been stored from when the bad fuel pump was still in;
I can see how the pump dragging down the voltage could affect injector
operation, since all three are on the same circuit off the main relay, and the
ECU might read the lack of input signal from the injectors as a "bad" unit(s).
Or it may have even stored that code from when we tested the injector wiring
with them disconnected? How long does the ECU hold codes?

So, another mystery solved... once again, I thank you all for your assistance,
especially the masterful TeGGeR

 

TeGGeR® wrote:
> Matt Ion <soundy@moltenimage.com> wrote in
> news:mJaGg.440318$IK3.223342@pd7tw1no:
>
>
>>TeGGeR® wrote:
>>
>>>soundy@moltenimage.com wrote in
>>>news:1156033205.645620.308870@b28g2000cwb.googl egroups.com:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Okay, quick update... new fuel pump in, took care of the voltage drop
>>>>problem... now we're getting an ALMOST-start. It cranks, it tries to
>>>>catch, it won't quite take off.
>>>>
>>>>ECU gives a code 16 ("Fuel Injector System: defective circuit or
>>>>unplugged / defective fuel injector".)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Wanna take a second look at that Main Relay?
>>
>>Already did. All working fine. Came out of another working Civic, in
>>fact.
>>
>>Like I said, the injectors ARE working, they ARE spraying fuel (at
>>least, the main injector is).
>>
>
>
>
> So you've for sure got spark, for sure the igniton timing is correct, and
> for sure the ECU is driving the injectors correctly now?

Heheheh, funny story...

> Does the car start with a shot of ether?

Wanted to try that, but buddy didn't have any in the shop, and at that point we
didn't have time to go pick some up.

> A code 16 sometimes does actually mean a defective injector.

That's what I figured, but they seemed to bench-test fine.

Anyway... buddy just called, he got it going: new plugs and a fresh battery and
it fired right up. Apparently the Bosch Platinums that came in the thing were
bunk, despite showing good soild spark when tested outside the engine(???).

Would be interesting to see if the ECU is still giving an error code. I'm
wondering if it might have been stored from when the bad fuel pump was still in;
I can see how the pump dragging down the voltage could affect injector
operation, since all three are on the same circuit off the main relay, and the
ECU might read the lack of input signal from the injectors as a "bad" unit(s).
Or it may have even stored that code from when we tested the injector wiring
with them disconnected? How long does the ECU hold codes?

So, another mystery solved... once again, I thank you all for your assistance,
especially the masterful TeGGeR

 

Matt Ion wrote:
>
> TeGGeR® wrote:
> > Matt Ion <soundy@moltenimage.com> wrote in
> > news:mJaGg.440318$IK3.223342@pd7tw1no:
> >
> >
> >>TeGGeR® wrote:
> >>
> >>>soundy@moltenimage.com wrote in
> >>>news:1156033205.645620.308870@b28g2000cwb.googl egroups.com:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Okay, quick update... new fuel pump in, took care of the voltage drop
> >>>>problem... now we're getting an ALMOST-start. It cranks, it tries to
> >>>>catch, it won't quite take off.
> >>>>
> >>>>ECU gives a code 16 ("Fuel Injector System: defective circuit or
> >>>>unplugged / defective fuel injector".)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Wanna take a second look at that Main Relay?
> >>
> >>Already did. All working fine. Came out of another working Civic, in
> >>fact.
> >>
> >>Like I said, the injectors ARE working, they ARE spraying fuel (at
> >>least, the main injector is).
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > So you've for sure got spark, for sure the igniton timing is correct, and
> > for sure the ECU is driving the injectors correctly now?
>
> Heheheh, funny story...
>
> > Does the car start with a shot of ether?
>
> Wanted to try that, but buddy didn't have any in the shop, and at that point we
> didn't have time to go pick some up.
>
> > A code 16 sometimes does actually mean a defective injector.
>
> That's what I figured, but they seemed to bench-test fine.
>
> Anyway... buddy just called, he got it going: new plugs and a fresh battery and
> it fired right up. Apparently the Bosch Platinums that came in the thing were
> bunk, despite showing good soild spark when tested outside the engine(???).
>
> Would be interesting to see if the ECU is still giving an error code. I'm
> wondering if it might have been stored from when the bad fuel pump was still in;
> I can see how the pump dragging down the voltage could affect injector
> operation, since all three are on the same circuit off the main relay, and the
> ECU might read the lack of input signal from the injectors as a "bad" unit(s).
> Or it may have even stored that code from when we tested the injector wiring
> with them disconnected? How long does the ECU hold codes?
>
> So, another mystery solved... once again, I thank you all for your assistance,
> especially the masterful TeGGeR



So, once again Bosch does it again.

JT