Jim Yanik wrote:
> Grumpy AuContraire <Grumpster@GrumpyvilleNOT.com> wrote in
> news:44EA66CA.FDCA543C@GrumpyvilleNOT.com:
>
>>
>> Matt Ion wrote:
>>> TeGGeR® wrote:
>>>> Matt Ion <soundy@moltenimage.com> wrote in
>>>> news:mJaGg.440318$IK3.223342@pd7tw1no:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> TeGGeR® wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> soundy@moltenimage.com wrote in
>>>>>> news:1156033205.645620.308870@b28g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Okay, quick update... new fuel pump in, took care of the voltage
>>>>>>> drop problem... now we're getting an ALMOST-start. It cranks, it
>>>>>>> tries to catch, it won't quite take off.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ECU gives a code 16 ("Fuel Injector System: defective circuit or
>>>>>>> unplugged / defective fuel injector".)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wanna take a second look at that Main Relay?
>>>>> Already did. All working fine. Came out of another working Civic,
>>>>> in fact.
>>>>>
>>>>> Like I said, the injectors ARE working, they ARE spraying fuel (at
>>>>> least, the main injector is).
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So you've for sure got spark, for sure the igniton timing is
>>>> correct, and for sure the ECU is driving the injectors correctly
>>>> now?
>>> Heheheh, funny story...
>>>
>>>> Does the car start with a shot of ether?
>>> Wanted to try that, but buddy didn't have any in the shop, and at
>>> that point we didn't have time to go pick some up.
>>>
>>>> A code 16 sometimes does actually mean a defective injector.
>>> That's what I figured, but they seemed to bench-test fine.
>>>
>>> Anyway... buddy just called, he got it going: new plugs and a fresh
>>> battery and it fired right up. Apparently the Bosch Platinums that
>>> came in the thing were bunk, despite showing good soild spark when
>>> tested outside the engine(???).
>>>
>>> Would be interesting to see if the ECU is still giving an error code.
>>> I'm wondering if it might have been stored from when the bad fuel
>>> pump was still in; I can see how the pump dragging down the voltage
>>> could affect injector operation, since all three are on the same
>>> circuit off the main relay, and the ECU might read the lack of input
>>> signal from the injectors as a "bad" unit(s). Or it may have even
>>> stored that code from when we tested the injector wiring with them
>>> disconnected? How long does the ECU hold codes?
>>>
>>> So, another mystery solved... once again, I thank you all for your
>>> assistance, especially the masterful TeGGeR
>>
>>
>> So, once again Bosch does it again.
>>
>> JT
>
> I put a set of Bosch Platinum-2 plugs in my 94 GSR at ~57,000mi,and it
> starts and runs fine.It's been about 2 months now.
> The old plugs looked OK.
>
> How can new spark plugs be "bunk"?
> Were those the plugs that were in there when he acquired the car?
> Maybe old plugs,or gaps boogered? Maybe grease on the insulator?
>
the problem i've had with bosch, repeatedly, is that one day they work
fine, the next, the car won't start. you spend ages messing about
trying to get the things to work, but they won't. although widely
hated, i've had better luck with champion than bosch, even though
construction quality on bosch appears better.

ngk are by far the best way to go. especially when you consider that
there's no price differential. they continue to fire even, when the
electrodes are melted to little blobs. amazing things. no idea why,
but that seems to be the way it goes.

 

Jim Yanik wrote:
> Grumpy AuContraire <Grumpster@GrumpyvilleNOT.com> wrote in
> news:44EA66CA.FDCA543C@GrumpyvilleNOT.com:
>
>>
>> Matt Ion wrote:
>>> TeGGeR® wrote:
>>>> Matt Ion <soundy@moltenimage.com> wrote in
>>>> news:mJaGg.440318$IK3.223342@pd7tw1no:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> TeGGeR® wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> soundy@moltenimage.com wrote in
>>>>>> news:1156033205.645620.308870@b28g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Okay, quick update... new fuel pump in, took care of the voltage
>>>>>>> drop problem... now we're getting an ALMOST-start. It cranks, it
>>>>>>> tries to catch, it won't quite take off.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ECU gives a code 16 ("Fuel Injector System: defective circuit or
>>>>>>> unplugged / defective fuel injector".)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wanna take a second look at that Main Relay?
>>>>> Already did. All working fine. Came out of another working Civic,
>>>>> in fact.
>>>>>
>>>>> Like I said, the injectors ARE working, they ARE spraying fuel (at
>>>>> least, the main injector is).
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So you've for sure got spark, for sure the igniton timing is
>>>> correct, and for sure the ECU is driving the injectors correctly
>>>> now?
>>> Heheheh, funny story...
>>>
>>>> Does the car start with a shot of ether?
>>> Wanted to try that, but buddy didn't have any in the shop, and at
>>> that point we didn't have time to go pick some up.
>>>
>>>> A code 16 sometimes does actually mean a defective injector.
>>> That's what I figured, but they seemed to bench-test fine.
>>>
>>> Anyway... buddy just called, he got it going: new plugs and a fresh
>>> battery and it fired right up. Apparently the Bosch Platinums that
>>> came in the thing were bunk, despite showing good soild spark when
>>> tested outside the engine(???).
>>>
>>> Would be interesting to see if the ECU is still giving an error code.
>>> I'm wondering if it might have been stored from when the bad fuel
>>> pump was still in; I can see how the pump dragging down the voltage
>>> could affect injector operation, since all three are on the same
>>> circuit off the main relay, and the ECU might read the lack of input
>>> signal from the injectors as a "bad" unit(s). Or it may have even
>>> stored that code from when we tested the injector wiring with them
>>> disconnected? How long does the ECU hold codes?
>>>
>>> So, another mystery solved... once again, I thank you all for your
>>> assistance, especially the masterful TeGGeR
>>
>>
>> So, once again Bosch does it again.
>>
>> JT
>
> I put a set of Bosch Platinum-2 plugs in my 94 GSR at ~57,000mi,and it
> starts and runs fine.It's been about 2 months now.
> The old plugs looked OK.
>
> How can new spark plugs be "bunk"?
> Were those the plugs that were in there when he acquired the car?
> Maybe old plugs,or gaps boogered? Maybe grease on the insulator?
>
the problem i've had with bosch, repeatedly, is that one day they work
fine, the next, the car won't start. you spend ages messing about
trying to get the things to work, but they won't. although widely
hated, i've had better luck with champion than bosch, even though
construction quality on bosch appears better.

ngk are by far the best way to go. especially when you consider that
there's no price differential. they continue to fire even, when the
electrodes are melted to little blobs. amazing things. no idea why,
but that seems to be the way it goes.

 

jim beam wrote:
>
> Jim Yanik wrote:
> > Grumpy AuContraire <Grumpster@GrumpyvilleNOT.com> wrote in
> > news:44EA66CA.FDCA543C@GrumpyvilleNOT.com:
> >
> >>
> >> Matt Ion wrote:
> >>> TeGGeR® wrote:
> >>>> Matt Ion <soundy@moltenimage.com> wrote in
> >>>> news:mJaGg.440318$IK3.223342@pd7tw1no:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> TeGGeR® wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> soundy@moltenimage.com wrote in
> >>>>>> news:1156033205.645620.308870@b28g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Okay, quick update... new fuel pump in, took care of the voltage
> >>>>>>> drop problem... now we're getting an ALMOST-start. It cranks, it
> >>>>>>> tries to catch, it won't quite take off.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> ECU gives a code 16 ("Fuel Injector System: defective circuit or
> >>>>>>> unplugged / defective fuel injector".)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Wanna take a second look at that Main Relay?
> >>>>> Already did. All working fine. Came out of another working Civic,
> >>>>> in fact.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Like I said, the injectors ARE working, they ARE spraying fuel (at
> >>>>> least, the main injector is).
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> So you've for sure got spark, for sure the igniton timing is
> >>>> correct, and for sure the ECU is driving the injectors correctly
> >>>> now?
> >>> Heheheh, funny story...
> >>>
> >>>> Does the car start with a shot of ether?
> >>> Wanted to try that, but buddy didn't have any in the shop, and at
> >>> that point we didn't have time to go pick some up.
> >>>
> >>>> A code 16 sometimes does actually mean a defective injector.
> >>> That's what I figured, but they seemed to bench-test fine.
> >>>
> >>> Anyway... buddy just called, he got it going: new plugs and a fresh
> >>> battery and it fired right up. Apparently the Bosch Platinums that
> >>> came in the thing were bunk, despite showing good soild spark when
> >>> tested outside the engine(???).
> >>>
> >>> Would be interesting to see if the ECU is still giving an error code.
> >>> I'm wondering if it might have been stored from when the bad fuel
> >>> pump was still in; I can see how the pump dragging down the voltage
> >>> could affect injector operation, since all three are on the same
> >>> circuit off the main relay, and the ECU might read the lack of input
> >>> signal from the injectors as a "bad" unit(s). Or it may have even
> >>> stored that code from when we tested the injector wiring with them
> >>> disconnected? How long does the ECU hold codes?
> >>>
> >>> So, another mystery solved... once again, I thank you all for your
> >>> assistance, especially the masterful TeGGeR
> >>
> >>
> >> So, once again Bosch does it again.
> >>
> >> JT
> >
> > I put a set of Bosch Platinum-2 plugs in my 94 GSR at ~57,000mi,and it
> > starts and runs fine.It's been about 2 months now.
> > The old plugs looked OK.
> >
> > How can new spark plugs be "bunk"?
> > Were those the plugs that were in there when he acquired the car?
> > Maybe old plugs,or gaps boogered? Maybe grease on the insulator?
> >
> the problem i've had with bosch, repeatedly, is that one day they work
> fine, the next, the car won't start. you spend ages messing about
> trying to get the things to work, but they won't. although widely
> hated, i've had better luck with champion than bosch, even though
> construction quality on bosch appears better.
>
> ngk are by far the best way to go. especially when you consider that
> there's no price differential. they continue to fire even, when the
> electrodes are melted to little blobs. amazing things. no idea why,
> but that seems to be the way it goes.


Agreed.

I've found that once Bosch plugs get wet, forgetaboutit...

When I owned my first car, a 1940 Chevy back way back, Champions would
begin to break down after 5K miles especially when going up hills.
Family mechanic warned against Champions so switched to AC and no more problems.

Champions (and probably Bosch) are good to fill the sparkplug holes for
storage so that the mud dawbahs don't build nests...

JT

 

jim beam wrote:
>
> Jim Yanik wrote:
> > Grumpy AuContraire <Grumpster@GrumpyvilleNOT.com> wrote in
> > news:44EA66CA.FDCA543C@GrumpyvilleNOT.com:
> >
> >>
> >> Matt Ion wrote:
> >>> TeGGeR® wrote:
> >>>> Matt Ion <soundy@moltenimage.com> wrote in
> >>>> news:mJaGg.440318$IK3.223342@pd7tw1no:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> TeGGeR® wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> soundy@moltenimage.com wrote in
> >>>>>> news:1156033205.645620.308870@b28g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Okay, quick update... new fuel pump in, took care of the voltage
> >>>>>>> drop problem... now we're getting an ALMOST-start. It cranks, it
> >>>>>>> tries to catch, it won't quite take off.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> ECU gives a code 16 ("Fuel Injector System: defective circuit or
> >>>>>>> unplugged / defective fuel injector".)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Wanna take a second look at that Main Relay?
> >>>>> Already did. All working fine. Came out of another working Civic,
> >>>>> in fact.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Like I said, the injectors ARE working, they ARE spraying fuel (at
> >>>>> least, the main injector is).
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> So you've for sure got spark, for sure the igniton timing is
> >>>> correct, and for sure the ECU is driving the injectors correctly
> >>>> now?
> >>> Heheheh, funny story...
> >>>
> >>>> Does the car start with a shot of ether?
> >>> Wanted to try that, but buddy didn't have any in the shop, and at
> >>> that point we didn't have time to go pick some up.
> >>>
> >>>> A code 16 sometimes does actually mean a defective injector.
> >>> That's what I figured, but they seemed to bench-test fine.
> >>>
> >>> Anyway... buddy just called, he got it going: new plugs and a fresh
> >>> battery and it fired right up. Apparently the Bosch Platinums that
> >>> came in the thing were bunk, despite showing good soild spark when
> >>> tested outside the engine(???).
> >>>
> >>> Would be interesting to see if the ECU is still giving an error code.
> >>> I'm wondering if it might have been stored from when the bad fuel
> >>> pump was still in; I can see how the pump dragging down the voltage
> >>> could affect injector operation, since all three are on the same
> >>> circuit off the main relay, and the ECU might read the lack of input
> >>> signal from the injectors as a "bad" unit(s). Or it may have even
> >>> stored that code from when we tested the injector wiring with them
> >>> disconnected? How long does the ECU hold codes?
> >>>
> >>> So, another mystery solved... once again, I thank you all for your
> >>> assistance, especially the masterful TeGGeR
> >>
> >>
> >> So, once again Bosch does it again.
> >>
> >> JT
> >
> > I put a set of Bosch Platinum-2 plugs in my 94 GSR at ~57,000mi,and it
> > starts and runs fine.It's been about 2 months now.
> > The old plugs looked OK.
> >
> > How can new spark plugs be "bunk"?
> > Were those the plugs that were in there when he acquired the car?
> > Maybe old plugs,or gaps boogered? Maybe grease on the insulator?
> >
> the problem i've had with bosch, repeatedly, is that one day they work
> fine, the next, the car won't start. you spend ages messing about
> trying to get the things to work, but they won't. although widely
> hated, i've had better luck with champion than bosch, even though
> construction quality on bosch appears better.
>
> ngk are by far the best way to go. especially when you consider that
> there's no price differential. they continue to fire even, when the
> electrodes are melted to little blobs. amazing things. no idea why,
> but that seems to be the way it goes.


Agreed.

I've found that once Bosch plugs get wet, forgetaboutit...

When I owned my first car, a 1940 Chevy back way back, Champions would
begin to break down after 5K miles especially when going up hills.
Family mechanic warned against Champions so switched to AC and no more problems.

Champions (and probably Bosch) are good to fill the sparkplug holes for
storage so that the mud dawbahs don't build nests...

JT

 

jim beam wrote:
>
> Jim Yanik wrote:
> > Grumpy AuContraire <Grumpster@GrumpyvilleNOT.com> wrote in
> > news:44EA66CA.FDCA543C@GrumpyvilleNOT.com:
> >
> >>
> >> Matt Ion wrote:
> >>> TeGGeR® wrote:
> >>>> Matt Ion <soundy@moltenimage.com> wrote in
> >>>> news:mJaGg.440318$IK3.223342@pd7tw1no:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> TeGGeR® wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> soundy@moltenimage.com wrote in
> >>>>>> news:1156033205.645620.308870@b28g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Okay, quick update... new fuel pump in, took care of the voltage
> >>>>>>> drop problem... now we're getting an ALMOST-start. It cranks, it
> >>>>>>> tries to catch, it won't quite take off.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> ECU gives a code 16 ("Fuel Injector System: defective circuit or
> >>>>>>> unplugged / defective fuel injector".)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Wanna take a second look at that Main Relay?
> >>>>> Already did. All working fine. Came out of another working Civic,
> >>>>> in fact.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Like I said, the injectors ARE working, they ARE spraying fuel (at
> >>>>> least, the main injector is).
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> So you've for sure got spark, for sure the igniton timing is
> >>>> correct, and for sure the ECU is driving the injectors correctly
> >>>> now?
> >>> Heheheh, funny story...
> >>>
> >>>> Does the car start with a shot of ether?
> >>> Wanted to try that, but buddy didn't have any in the shop, and at
> >>> that point we didn't have time to go pick some up.
> >>>
> >>>> A code 16 sometimes does actually mean a defective injector.
> >>> That's what I figured, but they seemed to bench-test fine.
> >>>
> >>> Anyway... buddy just called, he got it going: new plugs and a fresh
> >>> battery and it fired right up. Apparently the Bosch Platinums that
> >>> came in the thing were bunk, despite showing good soild spark when
> >>> tested outside the engine(???).
> >>>
> >>> Would be interesting to see if the ECU is still giving an error code.
> >>> I'm wondering if it might have been stored from when the bad fuel
> >>> pump was still in; I can see how the pump dragging down the voltage
> >>> could affect injector operation, since all three are on the same
> >>> circuit off the main relay, and the ECU might read the lack of input
> >>> signal from the injectors as a "bad" unit(s). Or it may have even
> >>> stored that code from when we tested the injector wiring with them
> >>> disconnected? How long does the ECU hold codes?
> >>>
> >>> So, another mystery solved... once again, I thank you all for your
> >>> assistance, especially the masterful TeGGeR
> >>
> >>
> >> So, once again Bosch does it again.
> >>
> >> JT
> >
> > I put a set of Bosch Platinum-2 plugs in my 94 GSR at ~57,000mi,and it
> > starts and runs fine.It's been about 2 months now.
> > The old plugs looked OK.
> >
> > How can new spark plugs be "bunk"?
> > Were those the plugs that were in there when he acquired the car?
> > Maybe old plugs,or gaps boogered? Maybe grease on the insulator?
> >
> the problem i've had with bosch, repeatedly, is that one day they work
> fine, the next, the car won't start. you spend ages messing about
> trying to get the things to work, but they won't. although widely
> hated, i've had better luck with champion than bosch, even though
> construction quality on bosch appears better.
>
> ngk are by far the best way to go. especially when you consider that
> there's no price differential. they continue to fire even, when the
> electrodes are melted to little blobs. amazing things. no idea why,
> but that seems to be the way it goes.


Agreed.

I've found that once Bosch plugs get wet, forgetaboutit...

When I owned my first car, a 1940 Chevy back way back, Champions would
begin to break down after 5K miles especially when going up hills.
Family mechanic warned against Champions so switched to AC and no more problems.

Champions (and probably Bosch) are good to fill the sparkplug holes for
storage so that the mud dawbahs don't build nests...

JT

 

jim beam wrote:
>
> Jim Yanik wrote:
> > Grumpy AuContraire <Grumpster@GrumpyvilleNOT.com> wrote in
> > news:44EA66CA.FDCA543C@GrumpyvilleNOT.com:
> >
> >>
> >> Matt Ion wrote:
> >>> TeGGeR® wrote:
> >>>> Matt Ion <soundy@moltenimage.com> wrote in
> >>>> news:mJaGg.440318$IK3.223342@pd7tw1no:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> TeGGeR® wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> soundy@moltenimage.com wrote in
> >>>>>> news:1156033205.645620.308870@b28g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Okay, quick update... new fuel pump in, took care of the voltage
> >>>>>>> drop problem... now we're getting an ALMOST-start. It cranks, it
> >>>>>>> tries to catch, it won't quite take off.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> ECU gives a code 16 ("Fuel Injector System: defective circuit or
> >>>>>>> unplugged / defective fuel injector".)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Wanna take a second look at that Main Relay?
> >>>>> Already did. All working fine. Came out of another working Civic,
> >>>>> in fact.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Like I said, the injectors ARE working, they ARE spraying fuel (at
> >>>>> least, the main injector is).
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> So you've for sure got spark, for sure the igniton timing is
> >>>> correct, and for sure the ECU is driving the injectors correctly
> >>>> now?
> >>> Heheheh, funny story...
> >>>
> >>>> Does the car start with a shot of ether?
> >>> Wanted to try that, but buddy didn't have any in the shop, and at
> >>> that point we didn't have time to go pick some up.
> >>>
> >>>> A code 16 sometimes does actually mean a defective injector.
> >>> That's what I figured, but they seemed to bench-test fine.
> >>>
> >>> Anyway... buddy just called, he got it going: new plugs and a fresh
> >>> battery and it fired right up. Apparently the Bosch Platinums that
> >>> came in the thing were bunk, despite showing good soild spark when
> >>> tested outside the engine(???).
> >>>
> >>> Would be interesting to see if the ECU is still giving an error code.
> >>> I'm wondering if it might have been stored from when the bad fuel
> >>> pump was still in; I can see how the pump dragging down the voltage
> >>> could affect injector operation, since all three are on the same
> >>> circuit off the main relay, and the ECU might read the lack of input
> >>> signal from the injectors as a "bad" unit(s). Or it may have even
> >>> stored that code from when we tested the injector wiring with them
> >>> disconnected? How long does the ECU hold codes?
> >>>
> >>> So, another mystery solved... once again, I thank you all for your
> >>> assistance, especially the masterful TeGGeR
> >>
> >>
> >> So, once again Bosch does it again.
> >>
> >> JT
> >
> > I put a set of Bosch Platinum-2 plugs in my 94 GSR at ~57,000mi,and it
> > starts and runs fine.It's been about 2 months now.
> > The old plugs looked OK.
> >
> > How can new spark plugs be "bunk"?
> > Were those the plugs that were in there when he acquired the car?
> > Maybe old plugs,or gaps boogered? Maybe grease on the insulator?
> >
> the problem i've had with bosch, repeatedly, is that one day they work
> fine, the next, the car won't start. you spend ages messing about
> trying to get the things to work, but they won't. although widely
> hated, i've had better luck with champion than bosch, even though
> construction quality on bosch appears better.
>
> ngk are by far the best way to go. especially when you consider that
> there's no price differential. they continue to fire even, when the
> electrodes are melted to little blobs. amazing things. no idea why,
> but that seems to be the way it goes.


Agreed.

I've found that once Bosch plugs get wet, forgetaboutit...

When I owned my first car, a 1940 Chevy back way back, Champions would
begin to break down after 5K miles especially when going up hills.
Family mechanic warned against Champions so switched to AC and no more problems.

Champions (and probably Bosch) are good to fill the sparkplug holes for
storage so that the mud dawbahs don't build nests...

JT

 

"Grumpy AuContraire" <Grumpster@GrumpyvilleNOT.com> wrote in message
news:44EC79E2.BDAE9B89@GrumpyvilleNOT.com...

> When I owned my first car, a 1940 Chevy back way back, Champions would
> begin to break down after 5K miles especially when going up hills.

That was my experience in the '70s - misfire under load after a few months.
I stopped using Champions and haven't seen fit to give them another chance.

Mike

 

"Grumpy AuContraire" <Grumpster@GrumpyvilleNOT.com> wrote in message
news:44EC79E2.BDAE9B89@GrumpyvilleNOT.com...

> When I owned my first car, a 1940 Chevy back way back, Champions would
> begin to break down after 5K miles especially when going up hills.

That was my experience in the '70s - misfire under load after a few months.
I stopped using Champions and haven't seen fit to give them another chance.

Mike

 

"Grumpy AuContraire" <Grumpster@GrumpyvilleNOT.com> wrote in message
news:44EC79E2.BDAE9B89@GrumpyvilleNOT.com...

> When I owned my first car, a 1940 Chevy back way back, Champions would
> begin to break down after 5K miles especially when going up hills.

That was my experience in the '70s - misfire under load after a few months.
I stopped using Champions and haven't seen fit to give them another chance.

Mike

 

"Grumpy AuContraire" <Grumpster@GrumpyvilleNOT.com> wrote in message
news:44EC79E2.BDAE9B89@GrumpyvilleNOT.com...

> When I owned my first car, a 1940 Chevy back way back, Champions would
> begin to break down after 5K miles especially when going up hills.

That was my experience in the '70s - misfire under load after a few months.
I stopped using Champions and haven't seen fit to give them another chance.

Mike

 

Michael Pardee wrote:
>
> "Grumpy AuContraire" <Grumpster@GrumpyvilleNOT.com> wrote in message
> news:44EC79E2.BDAE9B89@GrumpyvilleNOT.com...
>
> > When I owned my first car, a 1940 Chevy back way back, Champions would
> > begin to break down after 5K miles especially when going up hills.
>
> That was my experience in the '70s - misfire under load after a few months.
> I stopped using Champions and haven't seen fit to give them another chance.
>
> Mike



Bravo!

JT

 

Michael Pardee wrote:
>
> "Grumpy AuContraire" <Grumpster@GrumpyvilleNOT.com> wrote in message
> news:44EC79E2.BDAE9B89@GrumpyvilleNOT.com...
>
> > When I owned my first car, a 1940 Chevy back way back, Champions would
> > begin to break down after 5K miles especially when going up hills.
>
> That was my experience in the '70s - misfire under load after a few months.
> I stopped using Champions and haven't seen fit to give them another chance.
>
> Mike



Bravo!

JT

 

Michael Pardee wrote:
>
> "Grumpy AuContraire" <Grumpster@GrumpyvilleNOT.com> wrote in message
> news:44EC79E2.BDAE9B89@GrumpyvilleNOT.com...
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> > When I owned my first car, a 1940 Chevy back way back, Champions would
> > begin to break down after 5K miles especially when going up hills.
>
> That was my experience in the '70s - misfire under load after a few months.
> I stopped using Champions and haven't seen fit to give them another chance.
>
> Mike



Bravo!

JT

 

Michael Pardee wrote:
>
> "Grumpy AuContraire" <Grumpster@GrumpyvilleNOT.com> wrote in message
> news:44EC79E2.BDAE9B89@GrumpyvilleNOT.com...
>
> > When I owned my first car, a 1940 Chevy back way back, Champions would
> > begin to break down after 5K miles especially when going up hills.
>
> That was my experience in the '70s - misfire under load after a few months.
> I stopped using Champions and haven't seen fit to give them another chance.
>
> Mike



Bravo!

JT