87 Accord Starts only on second try
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87 Accord Starts only on second try
For months my 87 Accord Lxi had a starting amusement.
If I missed on the first start try then it often acted as if the
battery were very low.
Turn the key off and then try again and it would start normally, i.e.
kick right in.
Now nearly every start attempt, the first turn of the key produces
nothing.
Zero. as if the battery were disconnected or the transmission was in
gear.
Turn the key off
Try again
It fires right up normally.
Sometimes I have to turn the key off more than once.
All suggestions appreciated.
CR
If I missed on the first start try then it often acted as if the
battery were very low.
Turn the key off and then try again and it would start normally, i.e.
kick right in.
Now nearly every start attempt, the first turn of the key produces
nothing.
Zero. as if the battery were disconnected or the transmission was in
gear.
Turn the key off
Try again
It fires right up normally.
Sometimes I have to turn the key off more than once.
All suggestions appreciated.
CR
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Re: 87 Accord Starts only on second try
"Redigoogle" <redicliff@yahoo.com> wrote in
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> For months my 87 Accord Lxi had a starting amusement.
> If I missed on the first start try then it often acted as if the
> battery were very low.
Solenoid goes "click",no crank?
> Turn the key off and then try again and it would start normally, i.e.
> kick right in.
>
> Now nearly every start attempt, the first turn of the key produces
> nothing.
> Zero. as if the battery were disconnected or the transmission was in
> gear.
> Turn the key off
> Try again
> It fires right up normally.
> Sometimes I have to turn the key off more than once.
>
> All suggestions appreciated.
>
> CR
>
>
If it's not making the solenoid click,then it's probably a worn-out
ignition switch.
If it clicks,then worn starter solenoid contacts?
That happened to my 94 Integra.
Some Honda starters can have the solenoid replaced,others have to have the
whole starter assy replaced. (or the solenoid "rebuilt")
see http://www.nationsautoelectric.com/Nippondenso.html
--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net
news:1171071651.696915.57440@h3g2000cwc.googlegrou ps.com:
> For months my 87 Accord Lxi had a starting amusement.
> If I missed on the first start try then it often acted as if the
> battery were very low.
Solenoid goes "click",no crank?
> Turn the key off and then try again and it would start normally, i.e.
> kick right in.
>
> Now nearly every start attempt, the first turn of the key produces
> nothing.
> Zero. as if the battery were disconnected or the transmission was in
> gear.
> Turn the key off
> Try again
> It fires right up normally.
> Sometimes I have to turn the key off more than once.
>
> All suggestions appreciated.
>
> CR
>
>
If it's not making the solenoid click,then it's probably a worn-out
ignition switch.
If it clicks,then worn starter solenoid contacts?
That happened to my 94 Integra.
Some Honda starters can have the solenoid replaced,others have to have the
whole starter assy replaced. (or the solenoid "rebuilt")
see http://www.nationsautoelectric.com/Nippondenso.html
--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net
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Re: 87 Accord Starts only on second try
"Redigoogle" <redicliff@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:1171071651.696915.57440@h3g2000cwc.googlegrou ps.com:
> For months my 87 Accord Lxi had a starting amusement.
> If I missed on the first start try then it often acted as if the
> battery were very low.
Solenoid goes "click",no crank?
> Turn the key off and then try again and it would start normally, i.e.
> kick right in.
>
> Now nearly every start attempt, the first turn of the key produces
> nothing.
> Zero. as if the battery were disconnected or the transmission was in
> gear.
> Turn the key off
> Try again
> It fires right up normally.
> Sometimes I have to turn the key off more than once.
>
> All suggestions appreciated.
>
> CR
>
>
If it's not making the solenoid click,then it's probably a worn-out
ignition switch.
If it clicks,then worn starter solenoid contacts?
That happened to my 94 Integra.
Some Honda starters can have the solenoid replaced,others have to have the
whole starter assy replaced. (or the solenoid "rebuilt")
see http://www.nationsautoelectric.com/Nippondenso.html
--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net
news:1171071651.696915.57440@h3g2000cwc.googlegrou ps.com:
> For months my 87 Accord Lxi had a starting amusement.
> If I missed on the first start try then it often acted as if the
> battery were very low.
Solenoid goes "click",no crank?
> Turn the key off and then try again and it would start normally, i.e.
> kick right in.
>
> Now nearly every start attempt, the first turn of the key produces
> nothing.
> Zero. as if the battery were disconnected or the transmission was in
> gear.
> Turn the key off
> Try again
> It fires right up normally.
> Sometimes I have to turn the key off more than once.
>
> All suggestions appreciated.
>
> CR
>
>
If it's not making the solenoid click,then it's probably a worn-out
ignition switch.
If it clicks,then worn starter solenoid contacts?
That happened to my 94 Integra.
Some Honda starters can have the solenoid replaced,others have to have the
whole starter assy replaced. (or the solenoid "rebuilt")
see http://www.nationsautoelectric.com/Nippondenso.html
--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net
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Re: 87 Accord Starts only on second try
"Redigoogle" <redicliff@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:1171071651.696915.57440@h3g2000cwc.googlegrou ps.com:
> For months my 87 Accord Lxi had a starting amusement.
> If I missed on the first start try then it often acted as if the
> battery were very low.
Solenoid goes "click",no crank?
> Turn the key off and then try again and it would start normally, i.e.
> kick right in.
>
> Now nearly every start attempt, the first turn of the key produces
> nothing.
> Zero. as if the battery were disconnected or the transmission was in
> gear.
> Turn the key off
> Try again
> It fires right up normally.
> Sometimes I have to turn the key off more than once.
>
> All suggestions appreciated.
>
> CR
>
>
If it's not making the solenoid click,then it's probably a worn-out
ignition switch.
If it clicks,then worn starter solenoid contacts?
That happened to my 94 Integra.
Some Honda starters can have the solenoid replaced,others have to have the
whole starter assy replaced. (or the solenoid "rebuilt")
see http://www.nationsautoelectric.com/Nippondenso.html
--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net
news:1171071651.696915.57440@h3g2000cwc.googlegrou ps.com:
> For months my 87 Accord Lxi had a starting amusement.
> If I missed on the first start try then it often acted as if the
> battery were very low.
Solenoid goes "click",no crank?
> Turn the key off and then try again and it would start normally, i.e.
> kick right in.
>
> Now nearly every start attempt, the first turn of the key produces
> nothing.
> Zero. as if the battery were disconnected or the transmission was in
> gear.
> Turn the key off
> Try again
> It fires right up normally.
> Sometimes I have to turn the key off more than once.
>
> All suggestions appreciated.
>
> CR
>
>
If it's not making the solenoid click,then it's probably a worn-out
ignition switch.
If it clicks,then worn starter solenoid contacts?
That happened to my 94 Integra.
Some Honda starters can have the solenoid replaced,others have to have the
whole starter assy replaced. (or the solenoid "rebuilt")
see http://www.nationsautoelectric.com/Nippondenso.html
--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net
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Re: 87 Accord Starts only on second try
"Redigoogle" <redicliff@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:1171071651.696915.57440@h3g2000cwc.googlegrou ps.com:
> For months my 87 Accord Lxi had a starting amusement.
> If I missed on the first start try then it often acted as if the
> battery were very low.
Solenoid goes "click",no crank?
> Turn the key off and then try again and it would start normally, i.e.
> kick right in.
>
> Now nearly every start attempt, the first turn of the key produces
> nothing.
> Zero. as if the battery were disconnected or the transmission was in
> gear.
> Turn the key off
> Try again
> It fires right up normally.
> Sometimes I have to turn the key off more than once.
>
> All suggestions appreciated.
>
> CR
>
>
If it's not making the solenoid click,then it's probably a worn-out
ignition switch.
If it clicks,then worn starter solenoid contacts?
That happened to my 94 Integra.
Some Honda starters can have the solenoid replaced,others have to have the
whole starter assy replaced. (or the solenoid "rebuilt")
see http://www.nationsautoelectric.com/Nippondenso.html
--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net
news:1171071651.696915.57440@h3g2000cwc.googlegrou ps.com:
> For months my 87 Accord Lxi had a starting amusement.
> If I missed on the first start try then it often acted as if the
> battery were very low.
Solenoid goes "click",no crank?
> Turn the key off and then try again and it would start normally, i.e.
> kick right in.
>
> Now nearly every start attempt, the first turn of the key produces
> nothing.
> Zero. as if the battery were disconnected or the transmission was in
> gear.
> Turn the key off
> Try again
> It fires right up normally.
> Sometimes I have to turn the key off more than once.
>
> All suggestions appreciated.
>
> CR
>
>
If it's not making the solenoid click,then it's probably a worn-out
ignition switch.
If it clicks,then worn starter solenoid contacts?
That happened to my 94 Integra.
Some Honda starters can have the solenoid replaced,others have to have the
whole starter assy replaced. (or the solenoid "rebuilt")
see http://www.nationsautoelectric.com/Nippondenso.html
--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net
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Re: 87 Accord Starts only on second try
"Redigoogle" <redicliff@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> For months my 87 Accord Lxi had a starting amusement.
> If I missed on the first start try then it often acted as if the
> battery were very low.
> Turn the key off and then try again and it would start normally, i.e.
> kick right in.
>
> Now nearly every start attempt, the first turn of the key produces
> nothing.
> Zero. as if the battery were disconnected or the transmission was in
> gear.
> Turn the key off
> Try again
> It fires right up normally.
> Sometimes I have to turn the key off more than once.
>
> All suggestions appreciated.
>
> CR
>
I've had that happen with a bad battery - a cracked connection inside the
battery. The current of trying to start it the first time, even though low
because of the bad connection, would often be low enough to slightly weld
the connection. After a moment it reached the critical point where more
current would flow and improve the connection, and everything would be more
or less okay until the next time the battery sat. Note that this behavior is
the opposite of a bad connection at the post, where it gets worse with
current flow because of oxidation.
I started seeing this happen around 1980, at the time the first side post
batteries came out. It was a notorious failure mode for the early side posts
and gave them a bad reputation, but I think whatever "advancement" in design
came about then affected all conventional car batteries. Since then, maybe
half the battery failures I've seen have been from internal intermittents.
Anyway, try this test: when you expect the engine to misbehave, leave the
driver's door open so the dome light is on. Watch the dome light when you
turn on the headlights. If the light dims badly and then returns to normal
in a few seconds or even a minute, that's the battery. If it doesn't dim
much but the starter behavior is as bad as it has been, suspect the starter
instead - particularly the solenoid.
Mike
news:1171071651.696915.57440@h3g2000cwc.googlegrou ps.com...
> For months my 87 Accord Lxi had a starting amusement.
> If I missed on the first start try then it often acted as if the
> battery were very low.
> Turn the key off and then try again and it would start normally, i.e.
> kick right in.
>
> Now nearly every start attempt, the first turn of the key produces
> nothing.
> Zero. as if the battery were disconnected or the transmission was in
> gear.
> Turn the key off
> Try again
> It fires right up normally.
> Sometimes I have to turn the key off more than once.
>
> All suggestions appreciated.
>
> CR
>
I've had that happen with a bad battery - a cracked connection inside the
battery. The current of trying to start it the first time, even though low
because of the bad connection, would often be low enough to slightly weld
the connection. After a moment it reached the critical point where more
current would flow and improve the connection, and everything would be more
or less okay until the next time the battery sat. Note that this behavior is
the opposite of a bad connection at the post, where it gets worse with
current flow because of oxidation.
I started seeing this happen around 1980, at the time the first side post
batteries came out. It was a notorious failure mode for the early side posts
and gave them a bad reputation, but I think whatever "advancement" in design
came about then affected all conventional car batteries. Since then, maybe
half the battery failures I've seen have been from internal intermittents.
Anyway, try this test: when you expect the engine to misbehave, leave the
driver's door open so the dome light is on. Watch the dome light when you
turn on the headlights. If the light dims badly and then returns to normal
in a few seconds or even a minute, that's the battery. If it doesn't dim
much but the starter behavior is as bad as it has been, suspect the starter
instead - particularly the solenoid.
Mike
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Re: 87 Accord Starts only on second try
"Redigoogle" <redicliff@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> For months my 87 Accord Lxi had a starting amusement.
> If I missed on the first start try then it often acted as if the
> battery were very low.
> Turn the key off and then try again and it would start normally, i.e.
> kick right in.
>
> Now nearly every start attempt, the first turn of the key produces
> nothing.
> Zero. as if the battery were disconnected or the transmission was in
> gear.
> Turn the key off
> Try again
> It fires right up normally.
> Sometimes I have to turn the key off more than once.
>
> All suggestions appreciated.
>
> CR
>
I've had that happen with a bad battery - a cracked connection inside the
battery. The current of trying to start it the first time, even though low
because of the bad connection, would often be low enough to slightly weld
the connection. After a moment it reached the critical point where more
current would flow and improve the connection, and everything would be more
or less okay until the next time the battery sat. Note that this behavior is
the opposite of a bad connection at the post, where it gets worse with
current flow because of oxidation.
I started seeing this happen around 1980, at the time the first side post
batteries came out. It was a notorious failure mode for the early side posts
and gave them a bad reputation, but I think whatever "advancement" in design
came about then affected all conventional car batteries. Since then, maybe
half the battery failures I've seen have been from internal intermittents.
Anyway, try this test: when you expect the engine to misbehave, leave the
driver's door open so the dome light is on. Watch the dome light when you
turn on the headlights. If the light dims badly and then returns to normal
in a few seconds or even a minute, that's the battery. If it doesn't dim
much but the starter behavior is as bad as it has been, suspect the starter
instead - particularly the solenoid.
Mike
news:1171071651.696915.57440@h3g2000cwc.googlegrou ps.com...
> For months my 87 Accord Lxi had a starting amusement.
> If I missed on the first start try then it often acted as if the
> battery were very low.
> Turn the key off and then try again and it would start normally, i.e.
> kick right in.
>
> Now nearly every start attempt, the first turn of the key produces
> nothing.
> Zero. as if the battery were disconnected or the transmission was in
> gear.
> Turn the key off
> Try again
> It fires right up normally.
> Sometimes I have to turn the key off more than once.
>
> All suggestions appreciated.
>
> CR
>
I've had that happen with a bad battery - a cracked connection inside the
battery. The current of trying to start it the first time, even though low
because of the bad connection, would often be low enough to slightly weld
the connection. After a moment it reached the critical point where more
current would flow and improve the connection, and everything would be more
or less okay until the next time the battery sat. Note that this behavior is
the opposite of a bad connection at the post, where it gets worse with
current flow because of oxidation.
I started seeing this happen around 1980, at the time the first side post
batteries came out. It was a notorious failure mode for the early side posts
and gave them a bad reputation, but I think whatever "advancement" in design
came about then affected all conventional car batteries. Since then, maybe
half the battery failures I've seen have been from internal intermittents.
Anyway, try this test: when you expect the engine to misbehave, leave the
driver's door open so the dome light is on. Watch the dome light when you
turn on the headlights. If the light dims badly and then returns to normal
in a few seconds or even a minute, that's the battery. If it doesn't dim
much but the starter behavior is as bad as it has been, suspect the starter
instead - particularly the solenoid.
Mike
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Re: 87 Accord Starts only on second try
"Redigoogle" <redicliff@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1171071651.696915.57440@h3g2000cwc.googlegrou ps.com...
> For months my 87 Accord Lxi had a starting amusement.
> If I missed on the first start try then it often acted as if the
> battery were very low.
> Turn the key off and then try again and it would start normally, i.e.
> kick right in.
>
> Now nearly every start attempt, the first turn of the key produces
> nothing.
> Zero. as if the battery were disconnected or the transmission was in
> gear.
> Turn the key off
> Try again
> It fires right up normally.
> Sometimes I have to turn the key off more than once.
>
> All suggestions appreciated.
>
> CR
>
I've had that happen with a bad battery - a cracked connection inside the
battery. The current of trying to start it the first time, even though low
because of the bad connection, would often be low enough to slightly weld
the connection. After a moment it reached the critical point where more
current would flow and improve the connection, and everything would be more
or less okay until the next time the battery sat. Note that this behavior is
the opposite of a bad connection at the post, where it gets worse with
current flow because of oxidation.
I started seeing this happen around 1980, at the time the first side post
batteries came out. It was a notorious failure mode for the early side posts
and gave them a bad reputation, but I think whatever "advancement" in design
came about then affected all conventional car batteries. Since then, maybe
half the battery failures I've seen have been from internal intermittents.
Anyway, try this test: when you expect the engine to misbehave, leave the
driver's door open so the dome light is on. Watch the dome light when you
turn on the headlights. If the light dims badly and then returns to normal
in a few seconds or even a minute, that's the battery. If it doesn't dim
much but the starter behavior is as bad as it has been, suspect the starter
instead - particularly the solenoid.
Mike
news:1171071651.696915.57440@h3g2000cwc.googlegrou ps.com...
> For months my 87 Accord Lxi had a starting amusement.
> If I missed on the first start try then it often acted as if the
> battery were very low.
> Turn the key off and then try again and it would start normally, i.e.
> kick right in.
>
> Now nearly every start attempt, the first turn of the key produces
> nothing.
> Zero. as if the battery were disconnected or the transmission was in
> gear.
> Turn the key off
> Try again
> It fires right up normally.
> Sometimes I have to turn the key off more than once.
>
> All suggestions appreciated.
>
> CR
>
I've had that happen with a bad battery - a cracked connection inside the
battery. The current of trying to start it the first time, even though low
because of the bad connection, would often be low enough to slightly weld
the connection. After a moment it reached the critical point where more
current would flow and improve the connection, and everything would be more
or less okay until the next time the battery sat. Note that this behavior is
the opposite of a bad connection at the post, where it gets worse with
current flow because of oxidation.
I started seeing this happen around 1980, at the time the first side post
batteries came out. It was a notorious failure mode for the early side posts
and gave them a bad reputation, but I think whatever "advancement" in design
came about then affected all conventional car batteries. Since then, maybe
half the battery failures I've seen have been from internal intermittents.
Anyway, try this test: when you expect the engine to misbehave, leave the
driver's door open so the dome light is on. Watch the dome light when you
turn on the headlights. If the light dims badly and then returns to normal
in a few seconds or even a minute, that's the battery. If it doesn't dim
much but the starter behavior is as bad as it has been, suspect the starter
instead - particularly the solenoid.
Mike
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Re: 87 Accord Starts only on second try
"Redigoogle" <redicliff@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1171071651.696915.57440@h3g2000cwc.googlegrou ps.com...
> For months my 87 Accord Lxi had a starting amusement.
> If I missed on the first start try then it often acted as if the
> battery were very low.
> Turn the key off and then try again and it would start normally, i.e.
> kick right in.
>
> Now nearly every start attempt, the first turn of the key produces
> nothing.
> Zero. as if the battery were disconnected or the transmission was in
> gear.
> Turn the key off
> Try again
> It fires right up normally.
> Sometimes I have to turn the key off more than once.
>
> All suggestions appreciated.
>
> CR
>
I've had that happen with a bad battery - a cracked connection inside the
battery. The current of trying to start it the first time, even though low
because of the bad connection, would often be low enough to slightly weld
the connection. After a moment it reached the critical point where more
current would flow and improve the connection, and everything would be more
or less okay until the next time the battery sat. Note that this behavior is
the opposite of a bad connection at the post, where it gets worse with
current flow because of oxidation.
I started seeing this happen around 1980, at the time the first side post
batteries came out. It was a notorious failure mode for the early side posts
and gave them a bad reputation, but I think whatever "advancement" in design
came about then affected all conventional car batteries. Since then, maybe
half the battery failures I've seen have been from internal intermittents.
Anyway, try this test: when you expect the engine to misbehave, leave the
driver's door open so the dome light is on. Watch the dome light when you
turn on the headlights. If the light dims badly and then returns to normal
in a few seconds or even a minute, that's the battery. If it doesn't dim
much but the starter behavior is as bad as it has been, suspect the starter
instead - particularly the solenoid.
Mike
news:1171071651.696915.57440@h3g2000cwc.googlegrou ps.com...
> For months my 87 Accord Lxi had a starting amusement.
> If I missed on the first start try then it often acted as if the
> battery were very low.
> Turn the key off and then try again and it would start normally, i.e.
> kick right in.
>
> Now nearly every start attempt, the first turn of the key produces
> nothing.
> Zero. as if the battery were disconnected or the transmission was in
> gear.
> Turn the key off
> Try again
> It fires right up normally.
> Sometimes I have to turn the key off more than once.
>
> All suggestions appreciated.
>
> CR
>
I've had that happen with a bad battery - a cracked connection inside the
battery. The current of trying to start it the first time, even though low
because of the bad connection, would often be low enough to slightly weld
the connection. After a moment it reached the critical point where more
current would flow and improve the connection, and everything would be more
or less okay until the next time the battery sat. Note that this behavior is
the opposite of a bad connection at the post, where it gets worse with
current flow because of oxidation.
I started seeing this happen around 1980, at the time the first side post
batteries came out. It was a notorious failure mode for the early side posts
and gave them a bad reputation, but I think whatever "advancement" in design
came about then affected all conventional car batteries. Since then, maybe
half the battery failures I've seen have been from internal intermittents.
Anyway, try this test: when you expect the engine to misbehave, leave the
driver's door open so the dome light is on. Watch the dome light when you
turn on the headlights. If the light dims badly and then returns to normal
in a few seconds or even a minute, that's the battery. If it doesn't dim
much but the starter behavior is as bad as it has been, suspect the starter
instead - particularly the solenoid.
Mike
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Re: 87 Accord Starts only on second try
On Feb 9, 7:40 pm, "Redigoogle" <redicl...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> For months my 87 Accord Lxi had a starting amusement.
> If I missed on the first start try then it often acted as if the
> battery were very low.
> Turn the key off and then try again and it would start normally, i.e.
> kick right in.
>
> Now nearly every start attempt, the first turn of the key produces
> nothing.
> Zero. as if the battery were disconnected or the transmission was in
> gear.
> Turn the key off
> Try again
> It fires right up normally.
> Sometimes I have to turn the key off more than once.
>
> All suggestions appreciated.
>
> CR
Others gave some good ideas. If the lights don't dim while starting,
something
is making a bad connection. Can be the switch, but it can also be the
small
lead that goes to the starter solenoid if it's loose, or crudded up.
All it is, is a
flag terminal connector of sorts. If they get apart, it can
cause it
to fit too loose. If it's not the switch or the connection, you
probably need a
new solenoid, or replace the contacts in the one you have. The mitsuma
starters don't seem to have parts available, so if it's one of those,
you'll
have to get a new starter, or rob a solenoid off a good one. The ND
starters
you can get new contacts online. Another quirk is it's possible your
ring
gear is getting flaky, or off center due to broke welds to the torque
converter,
flywheel, etc.. That will cause it to run slightly off center, and
cause a slow start
speed whenever it gets to that point. On the other teeth, it will work
as
normal usually. My 89 accord has this problem , but not too bad yet..
I recently had my solenoid contacts flake out, and I had to buy a
whole
rebuilt starter. Mine is a mitsuma... :/ Mitsumas are round looking .
I think the ND starters have a slightly boxy look, but I'm not sure.
They look different than the mitsuma.
MK
> For months my 87 Accord Lxi had a starting amusement.
> If I missed on the first start try then it often acted as if the
> battery were very low.
> Turn the key off and then try again and it would start normally, i.e.
> kick right in.
>
> Now nearly every start attempt, the first turn of the key produces
> nothing.
> Zero. as if the battery were disconnected or the transmission was in
> gear.
> Turn the key off
> Try again
> It fires right up normally.
> Sometimes I have to turn the key off more than once.
>
> All suggestions appreciated.
>
> CR
Others gave some good ideas. If the lights don't dim while starting,
something
is making a bad connection. Can be the switch, but it can also be the
small
lead that goes to the starter solenoid if it's loose, or crudded up.
All it is, is a
flag terminal connector of sorts. If they get apart, it can
cause it
to fit too loose. If it's not the switch or the connection, you
probably need a
new solenoid, or replace the contacts in the one you have. The mitsuma
starters don't seem to have parts available, so if it's one of those,
you'll
have to get a new starter, or rob a solenoid off a good one. The ND
starters
you can get new contacts online. Another quirk is it's possible your
ring
gear is getting flaky, or off center due to broke welds to the torque
converter,
flywheel, etc.. That will cause it to run slightly off center, and
cause a slow start
speed whenever it gets to that point. On the other teeth, it will work
as
normal usually. My 89 accord has this problem , but not too bad yet..
I recently had my solenoid contacts flake out, and I had to buy a
whole
rebuilt starter. Mine is a mitsuma... :/ Mitsumas are round looking .
I think the ND starters have a slightly boxy look, but I'm not sure.
They look different than the mitsuma.
MK
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Re: 87 Accord Starts only on second try
On Feb 9, 7:40 pm, "Redigoogle" <redicl...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> For months my 87 Accord Lxi had a starting amusement.
> If I missed on the first start try then it often acted as if the
> battery were very low.
> Turn the key off and then try again and it would start normally, i.e.
> kick right in.
>
> Now nearly every start attempt, the first turn of the key produces
> nothing.
> Zero. as if the battery were disconnected or the transmission was in
> gear.
> Turn the key off
> Try again
> It fires right up normally.
> Sometimes I have to turn the key off more than once.
>
> All suggestions appreciated.
>
> CR
Others gave some good ideas. If the lights don't dim while starting,
something
is making a bad connection. Can be the switch, but it can also be the
small
lead that goes to the starter solenoid if it's loose, or crudded up.
All it is, is a
flag terminal connector of sorts. If they get apart, it can
cause it
to fit too loose. If it's not the switch or the connection, you
probably need a
new solenoid, or replace the contacts in the one you have. The mitsuma
starters don't seem to have parts available, so if it's one of those,
you'll
have to get a new starter, or rob a solenoid off a good one. The ND
starters
you can get new contacts online. Another quirk is it's possible your
ring
gear is getting flaky, or off center due to broke welds to the torque
converter,
flywheel, etc.. That will cause it to run slightly off center, and
cause a slow start
speed whenever it gets to that point. On the other teeth, it will work
as
normal usually. My 89 accord has this problem , but not too bad yet..
I recently had my solenoid contacts flake out, and I had to buy a
whole
rebuilt starter. Mine is a mitsuma... :/ Mitsumas are round looking .
I think the ND starters have a slightly boxy look, but I'm not sure.
They look different than the mitsuma.
MK
> For months my 87 Accord Lxi had a starting amusement.
> If I missed on the first start try then it often acted as if the
> battery were very low.
> Turn the key off and then try again and it would start normally, i.e.
> kick right in.
>
> Now nearly every start attempt, the first turn of the key produces
> nothing.
> Zero. as if the battery were disconnected or the transmission was in
> gear.
> Turn the key off
> Try again
> It fires right up normally.
> Sometimes I have to turn the key off more than once.
>
> All suggestions appreciated.
>
> CR
Others gave some good ideas. If the lights don't dim while starting,
something
is making a bad connection. Can be the switch, but it can also be the
small
lead that goes to the starter solenoid if it's loose, or crudded up.
All it is, is a
flag terminal connector of sorts. If they get apart, it can
cause it
to fit too loose. If it's not the switch or the connection, you
probably need a
new solenoid, or replace the contacts in the one you have. The mitsuma
starters don't seem to have parts available, so if it's one of those,
you'll
have to get a new starter, or rob a solenoid off a good one. The ND
starters
you can get new contacts online. Another quirk is it's possible your
ring
gear is getting flaky, or off center due to broke welds to the torque
converter,
flywheel, etc.. That will cause it to run slightly off center, and
cause a slow start
speed whenever it gets to that point. On the other teeth, it will work
as
normal usually. My 89 accord has this problem , but not too bad yet..
I recently had my solenoid contacts flake out, and I had to buy a
whole
rebuilt starter. Mine is a mitsuma... :/ Mitsumas are round looking .
I think the ND starters have a slightly boxy look, but I'm not sure.
They look different than the mitsuma.
MK
#12
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: 87 Accord Starts only on second try
On Feb 9, 7:40 pm, "Redigoogle" <redicl...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> For months my 87 Accord Lxi had a starting amusement.
> If I missed on the first start try then it often acted as if the
> battery were very low.
> Turn the key off and then try again and it would start normally, i.e.
> kick right in.
>
> Now nearly every start attempt, the first turn of the key produces
> nothing.
> Zero. as if the battery were disconnected or the transmission was in
> gear.
> Turn the key off
> Try again
> It fires right up normally.
> Sometimes I have to turn the key off more than once.
>
> All suggestions appreciated.
>
> CR
Others gave some good ideas. If the lights don't dim while starting,
something
is making a bad connection. Can be the switch, but it can also be the
small
lead that goes to the starter solenoid if it's loose, or crudded up.
All it is, is a
flag terminal connector of sorts. If they get apart, it can
cause it
to fit too loose. If it's not the switch or the connection, you
probably need a
new solenoid, or replace the contacts in the one you have. The mitsuma
starters don't seem to have parts available, so if it's one of those,
you'll
have to get a new starter, or rob a solenoid off a good one. The ND
starters
you can get new contacts online. Another quirk is it's possible your
ring
gear is getting flaky, or off center due to broke welds to the torque
converter,
flywheel, etc.. That will cause it to run slightly off center, and
cause a slow start
speed whenever it gets to that point. On the other teeth, it will work
as
normal usually. My 89 accord has this problem , but not too bad yet..
I recently had my solenoid contacts flake out, and I had to buy a
whole
rebuilt starter. Mine is a mitsuma... :/ Mitsumas are round looking .
I think the ND starters have a slightly boxy look, but I'm not sure.
They look different than the mitsuma.
MK
> For months my 87 Accord Lxi had a starting amusement.
> If I missed on the first start try then it often acted as if the
> battery were very low.
> Turn the key off and then try again and it would start normally, i.e.
> kick right in.
>
> Now nearly every start attempt, the first turn of the key produces
> nothing.
> Zero. as if the battery were disconnected or the transmission was in
> gear.
> Turn the key off
> Try again
> It fires right up normally.
> Sometimes I have to turn the key off more than once.
>
> All suggestions appreciated.
>
> CR
Others gave some good ideas. If the lights don't dim while starting,
something
is making a bad connection. Can be the switch, but it can also be the
small
lead that goes to the starter solenoid if it's loose, or crudded up.
All it is, is a
flag terminal connector of sorts. If they get apart, it can
cause it
to fit too loose. If it's not the switch or the connection, you
probably need a
new solenoid, or replace the contacts in the one you have. The mitsuma
starters don't seem to have parts available, so if it's one of those,
you'll
have to get a new starter, or rob a solenoid off a good one. The ND
starters
you can get new contacts online. Another quirk is it's possible your
ring
gear is getting flaky, or off center due to broke welds to the torque
converter,
flywheel, etc.. That will cause it to run slightly off center, and
cause a slow start
speed whenever it gets to that point. On the other teeth, it will work
as
normal usually. My 89 accord has this problem , but not too bad yet..
I recently had my solenoid contacts flake out, and I had to buy a
whole
rebuilt starter. Mine is a mitsuma... :/ Mitsumas are round looking .
I think the ND starters have a slightly boxy look, but I'm not sure.
They look different than the mitsuma.
MK
#13
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: 87 Accord Starts only on second try
On Feb 9, 7:40 pm, "Redigoogle" <redicl...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> For months my 87 Accord Lxi had a starting amusement.
> If I missed on the first start try then it often acted as if the
> battery were very low.
> Turn the key off and then try again and it would start normally, i.e.
> kick right in.
>
> Now nearly every start attempt, the first turn of the key produces
> nothing.
> Zero. as if the battery were disconnected or the transmission was in
> gear.
> Turn the key off
> Try again
> It fires right up normally.
> Sometimes I have to turn the key off more than once.
>
> All suggestions appreciated.
>
> CR
Others gave some good ideas. If the lights don't dim while starting,
something
is making a bad connection. Can be the switch, but it can also be the
small
lead that goes to the starter solenoid if it's loose, or crudded up.
All it is, is a
flag terminal connector of sorts. If they get apart, it can
cause it
to fit too loose. If it's not the switch or the connection, you
probably need a
new solenoid, or replace the contacts in the one you have. The mitsuma
starters don't seem to have parts available, so if it's one of those,
you'll
have to get a new starter, or rob a solenoid off a good one. The ND
starters
you can get new contacts online. Another quirk is it's possible your
ring
gear is getting flaky, or off center due to broke welds to the torque
converter,
flywheel, etc.. That will cause it to run slightly off center, and
cause a slow start
speed whenever it gets to that point. On the other teeth, it will work
as
normal usually. My 89 accord has this problem , but not too bad yet..
I recently had my solenoid contacts flake out, and I had to buy a
whole
rebuilt starter. Mine is a mitsuma... :/ Mitsumas are round looking .
I think the ND starters have a slightly boxy look, but I'm not sure.
They look different than the mitsuma.
MK
> For months my 87 Accord Lxi had a starting amusement.
> If I missed on the first start try then it often acted as if the
> battery were very low.
> Turn the key off and then try again and it would start normally, i.e.
> kick right in.
>
> Now nearly every start attempt, the first turn of the key produces
> nothing.
> Zero. as if the battery were disconnected or the transmission was in
> gear.
> Turn the key off
> Try again
> It fires right up normally.
> Sometimes I have to turn the key off more than once.
>
> All suggestions appreciated.
>
> CR
Others gave some good ideas. If the lights don't dim while starting,
something
is making a bad connection. Can be the switch, but it can also be the
small
lead that goes to the starter solenoid if it's loose, or crudded up.
All it is, is a
flag terminal connector of sorts. If they get apart, it can
cause it
to fit too loose. If it's not the switch or the connection, you
probably need a
new solenoid, or replace the contacts in the one you have. The mitsuma
starters don't seem to have parts available, so if it's one of those,
you'll
have to get a new starter, or rob a solenoid off a good one. The ND
starters
you can get new contacts online. Another quirk is it's possible your
ring
gear is getting flaky, or off center due to broke welds to the torque
converter,
flywheel, etc.. That will cause it to run slightly off center, and
cause a slow start
speed whenever it gets to that point. On the other teeth, it will work
as
normal usually. My 89 accord has this problem , but not too bad yet..
I recently had my solenoid contacts flake out, and I had to buy a
whole
rebuilt starter. Mine is a mitsuma... :/ Mitsumas are round looking .
I think the ND starters have a slightly boxy look, but I'm not sure.
They look different than the mitsuma.
MK
#14
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Re: 87 Accord Starts only on second try
> Anyway, try this test: <
Thanks for all the advise.
I tried the light test and didn't notice any dimming.
I did notice this: If I turn on they key to activate accessories but
not the starter then off and then start, it fires up right away, no
dead symptom.
It seem that if power is drawn a connection is made so this seems to
favor Mike's battery broken connection idea, I think.
I checked my records and in Jan 2005 I replaced the Neutral Safety
Switch, the ignition switch, the battery and the starter in that
order. Then I had what seemed like starter problems again in August
2005 and it turned out to be the torque converter. Which is to say
that my present problem is most likely the battery or starter.
Wouldn't you agree? I did buy the 60 month battery, but I'll check the
connections first.
Thanks for the responses.
Cliff
#15
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Re: 87 Accord Starts only on second try
> Anyway, try this test: <
Thanks for all the advise.
I tried the light test and didn't notice any dimming.
I did notice this: If I turn on they key to activate accessories but
not the starter then off and then start, it fires up right away, no
dead symptom.
It seem that if power is drawn a connection is made so this seems to
favor Mike's battery broken connection idea, I think.
I checked my records and in Jan 2005 I replaced the Neutral Safety
Switch, the ignition switch, the battery and the starter in that
order. Then I had what seemed like starter problems again in August
2005 and it turned out to be the torque converter. Which is to say
that my present problem is most likely the battery or starter.
Wouldn't you agree? I did buy the 60 month battery, but I'll check the
connections first.
Thanks for the responses.
Cliff