Re: 2008 minivans: Honda Odyssey vs Toyota Sienna
 

dbu;

You don't have to answer every post, this is a newsgroup not an AOL chat
room.

Re: 2008 minivans: Honda Odyssey vs Toyota Sienna
 

On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 13:39:20 -0500, dbu wrote:

>> Go to this site below, upload your image as directed (very easy), and it
>> will provide you a link/URL that you can paste into a post here. Simple.
>>
>> http://imageshack.us/

> The price today is $3.96.9 for regular, (87) and $3.97.9 for super (89)
> per U.S. gal. They have no price signs posted only at the pump. So
> there ya go Dan.

First of all, 89 octane is not "super". It's "mid-grade". Super/Premium
is at least 91 octane, oftentimes 93.

As for "there ya go...", actually you are proving my point. A gas station
with no signs, huh? How often do you (or anyone) see that??? I have
*NEVER* seen it, and it just reinforces the idea that you're bullshitting
us. Gas stations have signs showing their prices, period.

The fact that you won't post a pic to the website I indicated above proves
that you're not being honest. It's no harder to upload a picture to there
than it is to email it to me (which you were apparently willing to do).
Take a picture of the friggin pump if you have to, showing the prices for
all three grades. All pumps show that too, before you claim otherwise.

Your move, big boy.

> BTW how old are you and what part of the country do you live in?

I'm over 40, and I live in the SE part of the country. Why?


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Re: 2008 minivans: Honda Odyssey vs Toyota Sienna
 

On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 12:57:20 -0500, dbu wrote:

>> Go to this site below, upload your image as directed (very easy), and it
>> will provide you a link/URL that you can paste into a post here. Simple.
>>
>> http://imageshack.us/

> But why should I go to that trouble when you will only come back and say
> I doctored up the photo. If you don't believe me now why should I
> expect you to believe me when I post a picture someplace. Besides, I
> don't care if you believe me or not.

It's no harder to upload a pic to there than it is to email it to me.

The fact that you're reluctant to do so pretty much confirms what I'm
saying.


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Re: 2008 minivans: Honda Odyssey vs Toyota Sienna
 

In article <pan.2008.07.18.22.56.28.886835@moria2.lan>,
Dan C <youmustbejoking@lan.invalid> wrote:

> On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 13:39:20 -0500, dbu wrote:
>
> >> Go to this site below, upload your image as directed (very easy), and it
> >> will provide you a link/URL that you can paste into a post here. Simple.
> >>
> >> http://imageshack.us/
>
> > The price today is $3.96.9 for regular, (87) and $3.97.9 for super (89)
> > per U.S. gal. They have no price signs posted only at the pump. So
> > there ya go Dan.
>
> First of all, 89 octane is not "super". It's "mid-grade". Super/Premium
> is at least 91 octane, oftentimes 93.
>
> As for "there ya go...", actually you are proving my point. A gas station
> with no signs, huh? How often do you (or anyone) see that??? I have
> *NEVER* seen it, and it just reinforces the idea that you're bullshitting
> us. Gas stations have signs showing their prices, period.
>
> The fact that you won't post a pic to the website I indicated above proves
> that you're not being honest. It's no harder to upload a picture to there
> than it is to email it to me (which you were apparently willing to do).
> Take a picture of the friggin pump if you have to, showing the prices for
> all three grades. All pumps show that too, before you claim otherwise.
>
> Your move, big boy.
>
> > BTW how old are you and what part of the country do you live in?
>
> I'm over 40, and I live in the SE part of the country. Why?

Over 40, does that tell me you are 41, but less than 50? That means you
were 8 or 10 years old when we had the great Jimmy Carter gas shortage
with long lines. Do you remember? Most likely not.

89 is called super. We have strict regulations here so do not worry,
it's not scam. 87 is regular and 89 is called premium or "super". I
don't know of gas stations here that offer 91 or, wow, 93!!
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Re: 2008 minivans: Honda Odyssey vs Toyota Sienna
 

On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 18:41:13 -0500, dbu wrote:

>> >> Go to this site below, upload your image as directed (very easy), and it
>> >> will provide you a link/URL that you can paste into a post here. Simple.
>> >>
>> >> http://imageshack.us/

>> > The price today is $3.96.9 for regular, (87) and $3.97.9 for super (89)
>> > per U.S. gal. They have no price signs posted only at the pump. So
>> > there ya go Dan.

>> First of all, 89 octane is not "super". It's "mid-grade". Super/Premium
>> is at least 91 octane, oftentimes 93.
>>
>> As for "there ya go...", actually you are proving my point. A gas station
>> with no signs, huh? How often do you (or anyone) see that??? I have
>> *NEVER* seen it, and it just reinforces the idea that you're bullshitting
>> us. Gas stations have signs showing their prices, period.
>>
>> The fact that you won't post a pic to the website I indicated above proves
>> that you're not being honest. It's no harder to upload a picture to there
>> than it is to email it to me (which you were apparently willing to do).
>> Take a picture of the friggin pump if you have to, showing the prices for
>> all three grades. All pumps show that too, before you claim otherwise.
>>
>> Your move, big boy.

>> > BTW how old are you and what part of the country do you live in?

>> I'm over 40, and I live in the SE part of the country. Why?

> Over 40, does that tell me you are 41, but less than 50? That means you
> were 8 or 10 years old when we had the great Jimmy Carter gas shortage
> with long lines. Do you remember? Most likely not.

Yes, over 40 and under 50. I vaguely remember the long gas lines, but
whatever... not relevant.

> 89 is called super. We have strict regulations here so do not worry,
> it's not scam. 87 is regular and 89 is called premium or "super". I
> don't know of gas stations here that offer 91 or, wow, 93!!

Interesting that you don't address the rest of my post, regarding posting
the pic for others to view. How come?

Where do you live, that thinks 89 is "super", and don't have 91/93?


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Re: 2008 minivans: Honda Odyssey vs Toyota Sienna
 

In article <pan.2008.07.18.23.54.32.763127@moria2.lan>,
Dan C <youmustbejoking@lan.invalid> wrote:

> On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 18:41:13 -0500, dbu wrote:
>
> >> >> Go to this site below, upload your image as directed (very easy), and
> >> >> it
> >> >> will provide you a link/URL that you can paste into a post here.
> >> >> Simple.
> >> >>
> >> >> http://imageshack.us/
>
> >> > The price today is $3.96.9 for regular, (87) and $3.97.9 for super (89)
> >> > per U.S. gal. They have no price signs posted only at the pump. So
> >> > there ya go Dan.
>
> >> First of all, 89 octane is not "super". It's "mid-grade". Super/Premium
> >> is at least 91 octane, oftentimes 93.
> >>
> >> As for "there ya go...", actually you are proving my point. A gas station
> >> with no signs, huh? How often do you (or anyone) see that??? I have
> >> *NEVER* seen it, and it just reinforces the idea that you're bullshitting
> >> us. Gas stations have signs showing their prices, period.
> >>
> >> The fact that you won't post a pic to the website I indicated above proves
> >> that you're not being honest. It's no harder to upload a picture to there
> >> than it is to email it to me (which you were apparently willing to do).
> >> Take a picture of the friggin pump if you have to, showing the prices for
> >> all three grades. All pumps show that too, before you claim otherwise.
> >>
> >> Your move, big boy.
>
> >> > BTW how old are you and what part of the country do you live in?
>
> >> I'm over 40, and I live in the SE part of the country. Why?
>
> > Over 40, does that tell me you are 41, but less than 50? That means you
> > were 8 or 10 years old when we had the great Jimmy Carter gas shortage
> > with long lines. Do you remember? Most likely not.
>
> Yes, over 40 and under 50. I vaguely remember the long gas lines, but
> whatever... not relevant.

Why do you say it is not relevant?

>
> > 89 is called super. We have strict regulations here so do not worry,
> > it's not scam. 87 is regular and 89 is called premium or "super". I
> > don't know of gas stations here that offer 91 or, wow, 93!!
>
> Interesting that you don't address the rest of my post, regarding posting
> the pic for others to view. How come?
>
> Where do you live, that thinks 89 is "super", and don't have 91/93?

I live in the great NorthWest.

Here, 87 = regular, 89 = premium, or super as this station calls it.
One penny difference.

I checked for a photo, but it's not possible. I also considered posting
their phone number, but after five seconds of thought I round filed that
idea. You will just have to trust me which you won't, but again I don't
care.
--

Re: 2008 minivans: Honda Odyssey vs Toyota Sienna
 

On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 19:13:44 -0500, dbu wrote:

>> > Over 40, does that tell me you are 41, but less than 50? That means you
>> > were 8 or 10 years old when we had the great Jimmy Carter gas shortage
>> > with long lines. Do you remember? Most likely not.

>> Yes, over 40 and under 50. I vaguely remember the long gas lines, but
>> whatever... not relevant.

> Why do you say it is not relevant?

Because it isn't relevant. What the do gas prices or long lines from
30+ years ago have to do with your claim that premium sells for one penny
more than regular???

>> Where do you live, that thinks 89 is "super", and don't have 91/93?

> I live in the great NorthWest.

> Here, 87 = regular, 89 = premium, or super as this station calls it.
> One penny difference.

I don't believe that, nor does anyone else. You're making an outrageous,
unsubstantiated claim, and when asked to provide some proof, you are
unable or unwilling to do so. That makes you a bullshitter, and I (among
others) don't buy your story.

> I checked for a photo, but it's not possible. I also considered posting
> their phone number, but after five seconds of thought I round filed that
> idea. You will just have to trust me which you won't, but again I don't
> care.

A photo certainly is possible, but you don't want to do that as it will
blow your claim out of the water. You're a lying bullshitter, and have
been called on it. Run along, boy.


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Re: 2008 minivans: Honda Odyssey vs Toyota Sienna
 

On Jul 18, 8:13 pm, dbu <nos...@nospam.moc> wrote:
> In article <pan.2008.07.18.23.54.32.763...@moria2.lan>,
> Dan C <youmustbejok...@lan.invalid> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 18:41:13 -0500, dbu wrote:
>
> > >> >> Go to this site below, upload your image as directed (very easy),and
> > >> >> it
> > >> >> will provide you a link/URL that you can paste into a post here.
> > >> >> Simple.
>
> > >> >>http://imageshack.us/
>
> > >> > The price today is $3.96.9 for regular, (87) and $3.97.9 for super(89)
> > >> > per U.S. gal. They have no price signs posted only at the pump. So
> > >> > there ya go Dan.
>
> > >> First of all, 89 octane is not "super". It's "mid-grade". Super/Premium
> > >> is at least 91 octane, oftentimes 93.
>
> > >> As for "there ya go...", actually you are proving my point. A gasstation
> > >> with no signs, huh? How often do you (or anyone) see that??? Ihave
> > >> *NEVER* seen it, and it just reinforces the idea that you're bullshitting
> > >> us. Gas stations have signs showing their prices, period.
>
> > >> The fact that you won't post a pic to the website I indicated above proves
> > >> that you're not being honest. It's no harder to upload a picture to there
> > >> than it is to email it to me (which you were apparently willing to do).
> > >> Take a picture of the friggin pump if you have to, showing the prices for
> > >> all three grades. All pumps show that too, before you claim otherwise.
>
> > >> Your move, big boy.
>
> > >> > BTW how old are you and what part of the country do you live in?
>
> > >> I'm over 40, and I live in the SE part of the country. Why?
>
> > > Over 40, does that tell me you are 41, but less than 50? That means you
> > > were 8 or 10 years old when we had the great Jimmy Carter gas shortage
> > > with long lines. Do you remember? Most likely not.
>
> > Yes, over 40 and under 50. I vaguely remember the long gas lines, but
> > whatever... not relevant.
>
> Why do you say it is not relevant?
>
>
>
> > > 89 is called super. We have strict regulations here so do not worry,
> > > it's not scam. 87 is regular and 89 is called premium or "super". I
> > > don't know of gas stations here that offer 91 or, wow, 93!!
>
> > Interesting that you don't address the rest of my post, regarding posting
> > the pic for others to view. How come?
>
> > Where do you live, that thinks 89 is "super", and don't have 91/93?
>
> I live in the great NorthWest.
>
> Here, 87 = regular, 89 = premium, or super as this station calls it.
> One penny difference.

http://www.eia.doe.gov/oil_gas/petro...ne_grades.html

Definitions of Gasoline Grades
The classification of gasoline by octane ratings. Each type of
gasoline (conventional, oxygenated, and reformulated) is classified by
three grades - Regular, Midgrade, and Premium. Note: Gasoline sales
are reported by grade in accordance with their classification at the
time of sale. In general, automotive octane requirements are lower at
high altitudes. Therefore, in some areas of the United States, such as
the Rocky Mountain States, the octane ratings for the gasoline grades
may be 2 or more octane points lower.

Regular Gasoline: Gasoline having an antiknock index, i.e., octane
rating, greater than or equal to 85 and less than 88. Note: Octane
requirements may vary by altitude.

Midgrade Gasoline: Gasoline having an antiknock index, i.e., octane
rating, greater than or equal to 88 and less than or equal to 90.
Note: Octane requirements may vary by altitude.

Premium Gasoline: Gasoline having an antiknock index, i.e., octane
rating, greater than 90. Note: Octane requirements may vary by
altitude.






>
> I checked for a photo, but it's not possible. I also considered posting
> their phone number, but after five seconds of thought I round filed that
> idea. You will just have to trust me which you won't, but again I don't
> care.

Re: 2008 minivans: Honda Odyssey vs Toyota Sienna
 

On 2008-07-18, dbu <nospam@nospam.moc> wrote:
>
> 89 is called super. We have strict regulations here so do not worry,
> it's not scam. 87 is regular and 89 is called premium or "super". I
> don't know of gas stations here that offer 91 or, wow, 93!!

You must be joking now... Many cars require 91 Octane. I can't
imagine a gas station in the country not offering it, let alone an
entire region...


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Re: 2008 minivans: Honda Odyssey vs Toyota Sienna
 

["Followup-To:" header set to alt.autos.honda.]
>
> Not when it's slippery.

Huh?

If it's too slippery out to use cruise control on the highway, it is
too slippery to be going 65 MPH.



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time..." - Danny, American History X

Re: 2008 minivans: Honda Odyssey vs Toyota Sienna
 

On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 07:55:44 -0500, Dan C
<youmustbejoking@lan.invalid> wrote:

>On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 07:00:07 -0500, dbu wrote:
>
>> I need not waste my time as I have no need to convince anyone. I know
>> what I get for mileage, I know what I feel in performance difference and
>> that is all that matters to me. The gas station is an independent and
>> what I said is true.
>
>Your mileage and performance dreams are just wishful thinking, and
>indicative of what a person can convince themselves of, if they want to.
>
>As for the gas station... Everywhere else in the country, gas stations
>(independent or not) usually charge an average of 20 cents more for
>Premium than for Regular. Yet you expect people to believe that in your
>special place, they only charge 1 cent more. Sorry, it's just too much of
>a difference to be believed.
>
>How about you provide a link to a picture of their sign out front, which
>shows the prices...? Can you do that?

Actually, in at least some modern cars, premium gas can improve
mileage and performance. Cars with knock sensors will advance the
timing with higher octane fuel. The more advanced timing will improve
fuel economy and performance. I know that at least some Honda engines
do this, not sure about Toyota. The improvement is small and wouldn't
justify the extra 20 cents.

It is hard to believe that anybody is selling Premium for a penny more
than regular. How is the intermediate grade priced?

Re: 2008 minivans: Honda Odyssey vs Toyota Sienna
 

In article <g6p284t15dtm8gl66mma481cpf816mhkok@4ax.com>,
Gordon McGrew <RgEmMcOgVrEew@mindspring.com> wrote:

> On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 07:55:44 -0500, Dan C
> <youmustbejoking@lan.invalid> wrote:
>
> >On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 07:00:07 -0500, dbu wrote:
> >
> >> I need not waste my time as I have no need to convince anyone. I know
> >> what I get for mileage, I know what I feel in performance difference and
> >> that is all that matters to me. The gas station is an independent and
> >> what I said is true.
> >
> >Your mileage and performance dreams are just wishful thinking, and
> >indicative of what a person can convince themselves of, if they want to.
> >
> >As for the gas station... Everywhere else in the country, gas stations
> >(independent or not) usually charge an average of 20 cents more for
> >Premium than for Regular. Yet you expect people to believe that in your
> >special place, they only charge 1 cent more. Sorry, it's just too much of
> >a difference to be believed.
> >
> >How about you provide a link to a picture of their sign out front, which
> >shows the prices...? Can you do that?
>
> Actually, in at least some modern cars, premium gas can improve
> mileage and performance. Cars with knock sensors will advance the
> timing with higher octane fuel. The more advanced timing will improve
> fuel economy and performance. I know that at least some Honda engines
> do this, not sure about Toyota. The improvement is small and wouldn't
> justify the extra 20 cents.
>
> It is hard to believe that anybody is selling Premium for a penny more
> than regular. How is the intermediate grade priced?

No intermediate, just 87 and 89.
--

Re: 2008 minivans: Honda Odyssey vs Toyota Sienna
 

In article <slrng82kaj.cge.joe@barada.griffincs.local>,
Joe <joe@nospam.hits-buffalo.com> wrote:

> ["Followup-To:" header set to alt.autos.honda.]
> >
> > Not when it's slippery.
>
> Huh?
>
> If it's too slippery out to use cruise control on the highway, it is
> too slippery to be going 65 MPH.

Who said anything about going 65 when it's slippery out?
--

Re: 2008 minivans: Honda Odyssey vs Toyota Sienna
 

In article <slrng82k69.cge.joe@barada.griffincs.local>,
Joe <joe@nospam.hits-buffalo.com> wrote:

> On 2008-07-18, dbu <nospam@nospam.moc> wrote:
> >
> > 89 is called super. We have strict regulations here so do not worry,
> > it's not scam. 87 is regular and 89 is called premium or "super". I
> > don't know of gas stations here that offer 91 or, wow, 93!!
>
> You must be joking now... Many cars require 91 Octane. I can't
> imagine a gas station in the country not offering it, let alone an
> entire region...

We live in the great Northwest, that's the way it is, 87 and 89, a penny
difference.
--

Re: 2008 minivans: Honda Odyssey vs Toyota Sienna
 

In article
<171ae5b1-3ea1-449f-9085-50a9501d04ff@e53g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>,
Siskuwihane <Siskuwihane1@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Jul 18, 8:13 pm, dbu <nos...@nospam.moc> wrote:
> > In article <pan.2008.07.18.23.54.32.763...@moria2.lan>,
> > Dan C <youmustbejok...@lan.invalid> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 18:41:13 -0500, dbu wrote:
> >
> > > >> >> Go to this site below, upload your image as directed (very easy),
> > > >> >> and
> > > >> >> it
> > > >> >> will provide you a link/URL that you can paste into a post here.
> > > >> >> Simple.
> >
> > > >> >>http://imageshack.us/
> >
> > > >> > The price today is $3.96.9 for regular, (87) and $3.97.9 for super
> > > >> > (89)
> > > >> > per U.S. gal. They have no price signs posted only at the pump.
> > > >> > So
> > > >> > there ya go Dan.
> >
> > > >> First of all, 89 octane is not "super". It's "mid-grade".
> > > >> Super/Premium
> > > >> is at least 91 octane, oftentimes 93.
> >
> > > >> As for "there ya go...", actually you are proving my point. A gas
> > > >> station
> > > >> with no signs, huh? How often do you (or anyone) see that??? I have
> > > >> *NEVER* seen it, and it just reinforces the idea that you're
> > > >> bullshitting
> > > >> us. Gas stations have signs showing their prices, period.
> >
> > > >> The fact that you won't post a pic to the website I indicated above
> > > >> proves
> > > >> that you're not being honest. It's no harder to upload a picture to
> > > >> there
> > > >> than it is to email it to me (which you were apparently willing to
> > > >> do).
> > > >> Take a picture of the friggin pump if you have to, showing the prices
> > > >> for
> > > >> all three grades. All pumps show that too, before you claim
> > > >> otherwise.
> >
> > > >> Your move, big boy.
> >
> > > >> > BTW how old are you and what part of the country do you live in?
> >
> > > >> I'm over 40, and I live in the SE part of the country. Why?
> >
> > > > Over 40, does that tell me you are 41, but less than 50? That means
> > > > you
> > > > were 8 or 10 years old when we had the great Jimmy Carter gas shortage
> > > > with long lines. Do you remember? Most likely not.
> >
> > > Yes, over 40 and under 50. I vaguely remember the long gas lines, but
> > > whatever... not relevant.
> >
> > Why do you say it is not relevant?
> >
> >
> >
> > > > 89 is called super. We have strict regulations here so do not worry,
> > > > it's not scam. 87 is regular and 89 is called premium or "super". I
> > > > don't know of gas stations here that offer 91 or, wow, 93!!
> >
> > > Interesting that you don't address the rest of my post, regarding posting
> > > the pic for others to view. How come?
> >
> > > Where do you live, that thinks 89 is "super", and don't have 91/93?
> >
> > I live in the great NorthWest.
> >
> > Here, 87 = regular, 89 = premium, or super as this station calls it.
> > One penny difference.
>
> http://www.eia.doe.gov/oil_gas/petro...gasoline_grade
> s.html
>
> Definitions of Gasoline Grades
> The classification of gasoline by octane ratings. Each type of
> gasoline (conventional, oxygenated, and reformulated) is classified by
> three grades - Regular, Midgrade, and Premium. Note: Gasoline sales
> are reported by grade in accordance with their classification at the
> time of sale. In general, automotive octane requirements are lower at
> high altitudes. Therefore, in some areas of the United States, such as
> the Rocky Mountain States, the octane ratings for the gasoline grades
> may be 2 or more octane points lower.
>
> Regular Gasoline: Gasoline having an antiknock index, i.e., octane
> rating, greater than or equal to 85 and less than 88. Note: Octane
> requirements may vary by altitude.
>
> Midgrade Gasoline: Gasoline having an antiknock index, i.e., octane
> rating, greater than or equal to 88 and less than or equal to 90.
> Note: Octane requirements may vary by altitude.
>
> Premium Gasoline: Gasoline having an antiknock index, i.e., octane
> rating, greater than 90. Note: Octane requirements may vary by
> altitude.


That's nice.

Note: The station I go to has TWO grades, please pay attention,

Regular 87 octane

Super 89 octane, one cent per gallon more than regular.

There may be 91 octane at some other station in the area, but I've not
seen it. There is one station that offers non-oxygenated premium fuel
for lawn mowers, snowblowers etc. By state law it is forbidden to use
non-oxygenated fuel in vehicles other than old classic or antique
collectable cars which display an antique license plate.
--