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Re: 2008 minivans: Honda Odyssey vs Toyota Sienna
dbu wrote:
>In article <xn0fss2gearbui7000@news.mixmin.net>, > "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote: > >> dbu, 7/17/2008,5:54:16 AM, wrote: >> >> > The Sienna gets 25-28 MPG. >> >> This is hard for me to believe. > >I own one. Trip mileage of course, no kidding I really do get that >kind of gas mileage. City driving is less depending on how much of a >lead foot I am, but I usually try to drive like I have an egg under >the gas pedal. BTW, a friend has a 08 Ody which gets even better gas >milage. On a trip, it runs on 3 cylinders. I don't know how they do >it. The gas mileage is average in city however. It is hard to >believe for a 4000 lb plus vehicle to get that kind of economy, but >it is so. I can see it doing that well on a trip if you're using super unleaded gasoline. |
Re: 2008 minivans: Honda Odyssey vs Toyota Sienna
"badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote in message news:g5nu6j$h5s$1@registered.motzarella.org... > dbu wrote: > >>In article <xn0fss2gearbui7000@news.mixmin.net>, >> "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> dbu, 7/17/2008,5:54:16 AM, wrote: >>> >>> > The Sienna gets 25-28 MPG. >>> >>> This is hard for me to believe. >> >>I own one. Trip mileage of course, no kidding I really do get that >>kind of gas mileage. City driving is less depending on how much of a >>lead foot I am, but I usually try to drive like I have an egg under >>the gas pedal. BTW, a friend has a 08 Ody which gets even better gas >>milage. On a trip, it runs on 3 cylinders. I don't know how they do >>it. The gas mileage is average in city however. It is hard to >>believe for a 4000 lb plus vehicle to get that kind of economy, but >>it is so. > > I can see it doing that well on a trip if you're using super unleaded > gasoline. > Over the course of a recent road trip from Houston to Colorado and New Mexico and back (almost 3,000 miles total), our 2001 Odyssey averaged nearly 24.7 mpg on mostly regular gas. Much of the highway driving was on interstates, going about 70 with the AC on; there was also some driving at slightly slower speeds on smaller highways. A fair amount of the total was going up and down mountains, and there was some city driving as well. Not at all bad for a vehicle of this size and comfort level, under these conditions. Probably twice the mileage my dad used to get in our station wagons on similar trips back in the '70s. Around town (mix of street and freeway driving), I typically get between 15 and 19 mpg. In a total of about 75,000 miles, I've averaged about 19.4 overall. |
Re: 2008 minivans: Honda Odyssey vs Toyota Sienna
On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 17:06:27 +0000, badgolferman wrote:
> I can see it doing that well on a trip if you're using super unleaded > gasoline. Horsefeathers. The grade of gasoline has NOTHING to do with how much mileage you get. -- "Ubuntu" -- an African word, meaning "Slackware is too hard for me". The Usenet Improvement Project: http://improve-usenet.org |
Re: 2008 minivans: Honda Odyssey vs Toyota Sienna
Dan C wrote:
>On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 17:06:27 +0000, badgolferman wrote: > >> I can see it doing that well on a trip if you're using super >>unleaded gasoline. > >Horsefeathers. The grade of gasoline has NOTHING to do with how much >mileage you get. On interstate driving it seems to for me. |
Re: 2008 minivans: Honda Odyssey vs Toyota Sienna
In article <g5nu6j$h5s$1@registered.motzarella.org>,
"badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote: > dbu wrote: > > >In article <xn0fss2gearbui7000@news.mixmin.net>, > > "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> dbu, 7/17/2008,5:54:16 AM, wrote: > >> > >> > The Sienna gets 25-28 MPG. > >> > >> This is hard for me to believe. > > > >I own one. Trip mileage of course, no kidding I really do get that > >kind of gas mileage. City driving is less depending on how much of a > >lead foot I am, but I usually try to drive like I have an egg under > >the gas pedal. BTW, a friend has a 08 Ody which gets even better gas > >milage. On a trip, it runs on 3 cylinders. I don't know how they do > >it. The gas mileage is average in city however. It is hard to > >believe for a 4000 lb plus vehicle to get that kind of economy, but > >it is so. > > I can see it doing that well on a trip if you're using super unleaded > gasoline. Yes that is trip mileage, with a steady foot and at speed limit. No 80 mph for me. The Sienna AWD gets quite a bit less mileage, but you have a heavier vehicle plus 4 wheels driving. I have the 2WD model, it's been a great vehicle, perhaps the best I've owned yet. One more note, I don't use the built in MPG gauge, I just use the old arithmetic version, and at least three checks then average. I'm also very careful at the pump when topping off the tank. -- |
Re: 2008 minivans: Honda Odyssey vs Toyota Sienna
In article <pan.2008.07.17.17.46.25.114350@moria2.lan>,
Dan C <youmustbejoking@lan.invalid> wrote: > On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 17:06:27 +0000, badgolferman wrote: > > > I can see it doing that well on a trip if you're using super unleaded > > gasoline. > > Horsefeathers. The grade of gasoline has NOTHING to do with how much > mileage you get. I get slightly poorer mileage with ethanol based fuel. -- |
Re: 2008 minivans: Honda Odyssey vs Toyota Sienna
If one owns a vehicle that has an onboard fuel computer you will discover
they most efficient speed to drive is around 70 MPH, not 60 MPH. At 75 it is only a mile or two less but still two or three more than when I drive 55 MPH. "Siskuwihane" <Siskuwihane1@gmail.com> wrote in message news:b1c62226-9512-4c81-8bb9-b9bad8d66fc3@y38g2000hsy.googlegroups.com... On Jul 17, 6:27 am, "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolfer...@gmail.com> wrote: > dbu, 7/17/2008,5:54:16 AM, wrote: > > The Sienna gets 25-28 MPG. > > This is hard for me to believe. It may get that on a long trip, but for day-to-day driving... From Consumer guide Automotive Forget the EPA. Consumer Guide's auto editors drove 150,000 miles last year. We drove to work, to day care, to the grocery store, and on vacation. We drove through record heat, blinding snow, driving rain, and confounding road construction, keeping track of every drop of fuel we used along the way. The EPA admits its fuel economy numbers are estimates. Our numbers are real. A typical Consumer Guide test car is evaluated by at least four editors, all of whom account for their individual fuel usage. Here are the vehicles in each class that used the least amount of fuel while in our care. Honda Odyssey-16.4 MPG Toyota Sienna-16.4 MPG http://consumerguideauto.howstuffwor...-champions.htm Consumer Reports faired a little better with 19 MPG. As one poster noted about the Odyssey "my normal gas mileage is 17 mpg in the city and 24.5-25 mpg on the highway. I've gotten as low as 15 mpg in the winter here (10% ethanol fuel) and as high as 27.1 mpg on the highway (traveling by myself with just two suitcases). I keep my tires at 37 psi, which is what made my gas mileage increase by 1-2 mpg." Another noted about his Sienna " I drive 80MPH and still get 24 MPG" which I will dismiss as total BS. |
Re: 2008 minivans: Honda Odyssey vs Toyota Sienna
In article <YoGdnWHyQ7_JVeLVnZ2dnUVZ_vWdnZ2d@ptd.net>,
"Mike hunt" <mikehunt22@lycos.com> wrote: > If one owns a vehicle that has an onboard fuel computer you will discover > they most efficient speed to drive is around 70 MPH, not 60 MPH. At 75 it > is only a mile or two less but still two or three more than when I drive 55 > MPH. > > "Siskuwihane" <Siskuwihane1@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:b1c62226-9512-4c81-8bb9-b9bad8d66fc3@y38g2000hsy.googlegroups.com... > On Jul 17, 6:27 am, "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolfer...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > dbu, 7/17/2008,5:54:16 AM, wrote: > > > The Sienna gets 25-28 MPG. > > > > This is hard for me to believe. > > It may get that on a long trip, but for day-to-day driving... > > From Consumer guide Automotive > > Forget the EPA. Consumer Guide's auto editors drove 150,000 miles > last year. We drove to work, to day care, to the grocery store, and on > vacation. We drove through record heat, blinding snow, driving rain, > and confounding road construction, keeping track of every drop of fuel > we used along the way. > > The EPA admits its fuel economy numbers are estimates. Our numbers are > real. A typical Consumer Guide test car is evaluated by at least four > editors, all of whom account for their individual fuel usage. Here are > the vehicles in each class that used the least amount of fuel while in > our care. > > Honda Odyssey-16.4 MPG > > Toyota Sienna-16.4 MPG That's not what I'm getting. I own and drive a Sienna and I calculate over a number of trips my gas mileage. If anyone chooses to not believe me, fine, I don't care. I know what I get in gas mileage and that is all that matters to me. My friend who has a 08 Ody gets even better gas mileage and he is conservative and flat honest, if he didn't get what he gets he would say so. > > http://consumerguideauto.howstuffwor...-champions.htm > > Consumer Reports faired a little better with 19 MPG. > > As one poster noted about the Odyssey > > "my normal gas mileage is 17 mpg in the city and 24.5-25 mpg on the > highway. I've gotten as low as 15 mpg in the winter here (10% ethanol > fuel) and as high as 27.1 mpg on the highway (traveling by myself with > just two suitcases). I keep my tires at 37 psi, which is what made my > gas mileage increase by 1-2 mpg." > > Another noted about his Sienna " I drive 80MPH and still get 24 MPG" > which I will dismiss as total BS. -- |
Re: 2008 minivans: Honda Odyssey vs Toyota Sienna
On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 17:41:56 -0500, dbu <nospam@nospam.moc>
wrote: >In article <YoGdnWHyQ7_JVeLVnZ2dnUVZ_vWdnZ2d@ptd.net>, > "Mike hunt" <mikehunt22@lycos.com> wrote: > >> If one owns a vehicle that has an onboard fuel computer you will discover >> they most efficient speed to drive is around 70 MPH, not 60 MPH. At 75 it >> is only a mile or two less but still two or three more than when I drive 55 >> MPH. >> >> "Siskuwihane" <Siskuwihane1@gmail.com> wrote in message >> news:b1c62226-9512-4c81-8bb9-b9bad8d66fc3@y38g2000hsy.googlegroups.com... >> On Jul 17, 6:27 am, "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolfer...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> > dbu, 7/17/2008,5:54:16 AM, wrote: >> > > The Sienna gets 25-28 MPG. >> > >> > This is hard for me to believe. >> >> It may get that on a long trip, but for day-to-day driving... >> >> From Consumer guide Automotive >> >> Forget the EPA. Consumer Guide's auto editors drove 150,000 miles >> last year. We drove to work, to day care, to the grocery store, and on >> vacation. We drove through record heat, blinding snow, driving rain, >> and confounding road construction, keeping track of every drop of fuel >> we used along the way. >> >> The EPA admits its fuel economy numbers are estimates. Our numbers are >> real. A typical Consumer Guide test car is evaluated by at least four >> editors, all of whom account for their individual fuel usage. Here are >> the vehicles in each class that used the least amount of fuel while in >> our care. >> >> Honda Odyssey-16.4 MPG >> >> Toyota Sienna-16.4 MPG > >That's not what I'm getting. I own and drive a Sienna and I calculate >over a number of trips my gas mileage. If anyone chooses to not believe >me, fine, I don't care. I know what I get in gas mileage and that is >all that matters to me. My friend who has a 08 Ody gets even better gas >mileage and he is conservative and flat honest, if he didn't get what he >gets he would say so. > > >> >> http://consumerguideauto.howstuffwor...-champions.htm >> >> Consumer Reports faired a little better with 19 MPG. >> >> As one poster noted about the Odyssey >> >> "my normal gas mileage is 17 mpg in the city and 24.5-25 mpg on the >> highway. I've gotten as low as 15 mpg in the winter here (10% ethanol >> fuel) and as high as 27.1 mpg on the highway (traveling by myself with >> just two suitcases). I keep my tires at 37 psi, which is what made my >> gas mileage increase by 1-2 mpg." >> >> Another noted about his Sienna " I drive 80MPH and still get 24 MPG" >> which I will dismiss as total BS. Howdy, Let me add something to the mix... I have an '04 Sienna AWD. I live in rural New Hampshire and so do very little stop-and-go driving. In the four years I have had the van, I have never gotten better than 18 mpg, and I have a light foot. The simple reality is that as is true for any manufactured product there are variations part to part, and they may have a cumulative effect. I don't doubt for a moment that there are folks who get far better mileage in what is ostensibly the identical car. All the best, -- Kenneth If you email... Please remove the "SPAMLESS." |
Re: 2008 minivans: Honda Odyssey vs Toyota Sienna
In article <57kv74trnefrndr99f4tamag8n9f2d6p9i@4ax.com>,
Kenneth <usenet@soleSPAMLESSassociates.com> wrote: > On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 17:41:56 -0500, dbu <nospam@nospam.moc> > wrote: > > >In article <YoGdnWHyQ7_JVeLVnZ2dnUVZ_vWdnZ2d@ptd.net>, > > "Mike hunt" <mikehunt22@lycos.com> wrote: > > > >> If one owns a vehicle that has an onboard fuel computer you will discover > >> they most efficient speed to drive is around 70 MPH, not 60 MPH. At 75 > >> it > >> is only a mile or two less but still two or three more than when I drive > >> 55 > >> MPH. > >> > >> "Siskuwihane" <Siskuwihane1@gmail.com> wrote in message > >> news:b1c62226-9512-4c81-8bb9-b9bad8d66fc3@y38g2000hsy.googlegroups.com... > >> On Jul 17, 6:27 am, "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolfer...@gmail.com> > >> wrote: > >> > dbu, 7/17/2008,5:54:16 AM, wrote: > >> > > The Sienna gets 25-28 MPG. > >> > > >> > This is hard for me to believe. > >> > >> It may get that on a long trip, but for day-to-day driving... > >> > >> From Consumer guide Automotive > >> > >> Forget the EPA. Consumer Guide's auto editors drove 150,000 miles > >> last year. We drove to work, to day care, to the grocery store, and on > >> vacation. We drove through record heat, blinding snow, driving rain, > >> and confounding road construction, keeping track of every drop of fuel > >> we used along the way. > >> > >> The EPA admits its fuel economy numbers are estimates. Our numbers are > >> real. A typical Consumer Guide test car is evaluated by at least four > >> editors, all of whom account for their individual fuel usage. Here are > >> the vehicles in each class that used the least amount of fuel while in > >> our care. > >> > >> Honda Odyssey-16.4 MPG > >> > >> Toyota Sienna-16.4 MPG > > > >That's not what I'm getting. I own and drive a Sienna and I calculate > >over a number of trips my gas mileage. If anyone chooses to not believe > >me, fine, I don't care. I know what I get in gas mileage and that is > >all that matters to me. My friend who has a 08 Ody gets even better gas > >mileage and he is conservative and flat honest, if he didn't get what he > >gets he would say so. > > > > > >> > >> http://consumerguideauto.howstuffwor...-champions.htm > >> > >> Consumer Reports faired a little better with 19 MPG. > >> > >> As one poster noted about the Odyssey > >> > >> "my normal gas mileage is 17 mpg in the city and 24.5-25 mpg on the > >> highway. I've gotten as low as 15 mpg in the winter here (10% ethanol > >> fuel) and as high as 27.1 mpg on the highway (traveling by myself with > >> just two suitcases). I keep my tires at 37 psi, which is what made my > >> gas mileage increase by 1-2 mpg." > >> > >> Another noted about his Sienna " I drive 80MPH and still get 24 MPG" > >> which I will dismiss as total BS. > > Howdy, > > Let me add something to the mix... > > I have an '04 Sienna AWD. I live in rural New Hampshire and > so do very little stop-and-go driving. > > In the four years I have had the van, I have never gotten > better than 18 mpg, and I have a light foot. > > The simple reality is that as is true for any manufactured > product there are variations part to part, and they may have > a cumulative effect. > > I don't doubt for a moment that there are folks who get far > better mileage in what is ostensibly the identical car. > > All the best, 18 Is damn good for AWD. -- |
Re: 2008 minivans: Honda Odyssey vs Toyota Sienna
On 2008-07-17, dbu <nospam@nospam.moc> wrote:
> In article <pan.2008.07.17.17.46.25.114350@moria2.lan>, > Dan C <youmustbejoking@lan.invalid> wrote: > >> On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 17:06:27 +0000, badgolferman wrote: >> >> > I can see it doing that well on a trip if you're using super unleaded >> > gasoline. >> >> Horsefeathers. The grade of gasoline has NOTHING to do with how much >> mileage you get. > > I get slightly poorer mileage with ethanol based fuel. That will always be true, as Ethanol doesn't have as much energy as Petrol, but there will be no difference between Super and Regular unleaded. Use what the car needs. My Civic Si requires Premium. If your car doesn't, don't bother using it. It does nothing for you. -- Joe - Linux User #449481/Ubuntu User #19733 joe at hits - buffalo dot com "Hate is baggage, life is too short to go around pissed off all the time..." - Danny, American History X |
Re: 2008 minivans: Honda Odyssey vs Toyota Sienna
In article <slrng7vlck.85v.joe@barada.griffincs.local>,
Joe <joe@nospam.hits-buffalo.com> wrote: > On 2008-07-17, dbu <nospam@nospam.moc> wrote: > > In article <pan.2008.07.17.17.46.25.114350@moria2.lan>, > > Dan C <youmustbejoking@lan.invalid> wrote: > > > >> On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 17:06:27 +0000, badgolferman wrote: > >> > >> > I can see it doing that well on a trip if you're using super unleaded > >> > gasoline. > >> > >> Horsefeathers. The grade of gasoline has NOTHING to do with how much > >> mileage you get. > > > > I get slightly poorer mileage with ethanol based fuel. > > That will always be true, as Ethanol doesn't have as much energy as > Petrol, but there will be no difference between Super and Regular > unleaded. Use what the car needs. My Civic Si requires Premium. If > your car doesn't, don't bother using it. It does nothing for you. Where I gas up at there is a penny difference between their reg. and their premium. I always gas up my Sienna with the premium. I can tell the difference in performance as I've tried both. Not a blow you away difference, but a difference. I expect gas mileage is somewhat better with premium also, but I've never tested it. When I gas up in the next state over that does not have state mandated ethanol based fuel I see even better performance. I'm still trying to understand where we as drivers of gas vehicles have any advantage using ethanol fuel. -- |
Re: 2008 minivans: Honda Odyssey vs Toyota Sienna
On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 19:05:08 -0500, dbu wrote:
> Where I gas up at there is a penny difference between their reg. and > their premium. I don't believe that. Not at a normal gas station, anyway. > I always gas up my Sienna with the premium. I can tell the difference > in performance as I've tried both. I don't believe that, either. You are under the illusion that many people are, that premium is more "powerful". It isn't. > Not a blow you away difference, but a difference. I expect gas mileage > is somewhat better with premium also, but I've never tested it. There is no difference. > When I gas up in the next state over that does not have state mandated > ethanol based fuel I see even better performance. As has been previously stated, that is because ethanol does not have the same energy (BTU) per gallon that gasoline does. It has less. > I'm still trying to understand where we as drivers of gas vehicles have > any advantage using ethanol fuel. We don't. It's a purely political sham, and is not a good thing at all. What it's basically doing is driving up the prices of food that uses corn, which is a lot more foods than most people realize. -- "Ubuntu" -- an African word, meaning "Slackware is too hard for me". The Usenet Improvement Project: http://improve-usenet.org |
Re: 2008 minivans: Honda Odyssey vs Toyota Sienna
"Kenneth" ...
> Let me add something to the mix... > > I have an '04 Sienna AWD. I live in rural New Hampshire and > so do very little stop-and-go driving. > > In the four years I have had the van, I have never gotten > better than 18 mpg, and I have a light foot. > AWD in itself saps MPG. That invalidates a comparison to non-AWD Siennas. BTW, I get about 22 in my 98 Sienna in semi rural west central NJ driving. Tomes |
Re: 2008 minivans: Honda Odyssey vs Toyota Sienna
"Ron Peterson" <ron@shell.core.com> wrote in message news:3371af5e-2ffb-444d-bafa-2a95ade97efe@8g2000hse.googlegroups.com... On Jul 16, 10:04 pm, "Art" <begunaNOSPAMPLE...@mindspring.com> wrote: > Buying either is a mistake considering current gas prices. I would hold on > to what you have until an equivalent hybrid is available at a reasonable > price. A local Toyota dealer has said that he expects a hybrid minivan from Toyota in the 2010 model year. If it will have the Highlander drive train, it should be excellent choice. Mazda makes a small minivan that gets good gas milage. -- Ron *********** Toyota already sells a hybrid minivan in Japan. Toyota has announced that they plan to eventually offer a hybrid drivetrain in every vehicle series. When a particular series will be offered with a hybrid drivetrain probably has more to do with hybrid component production capacity than the need to develop a drivetrain. -- Ray O (correct punctuation to reply) |
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