On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 15:49:40 -0700
"Howard Lester" <heylester@dakotacom.net> wrote:

> <Chief_Billy@hotmail.com> wrote
>
> > I've been anticipating the
> > arrival of these 08's....I hope the are more appealing on the lot
> > than in these pics...
>
> Here's a question for everyone: would you forego a great car because
> its styling didn't appeal to you? When I first saw the new generation
> Civic of 1996, I hated it. I bought a '97, anyway. Did I like the '03
> Accord? Not at all. I bought an '04, anyway.... I still don't care
> for the styling, but for me it's a great car. (I admit I had
> considered the '04 Camry, but I didn't like ITS styling, either!)
>
>

I wouldn't buy a car if I didn't like the way it looked. There are too
many good choices out there to compromise. If Honda's not making
anything I like, I have no problem buying a Toyota or a Nissan. I'd
even buy an American car if the deal was right. I mean, hell, I have
had nothing but long-term problems with Chrysler products, but now with
a lifetime Powertrain warranty, I wouldn't hesitate to buy one if it fit
my needs. Especially if I were buying new and only expecting to keep it
for 5 or 6 years...


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Joe - Registered Linux User #449481

"Hate is baggage, life is too short to go around pissed off all the
time..."
- Danny, American History X

 

On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 15:49:40 -0700
"Howard Lester" <heylester@dakotacom.net> wrote:

> <Chief_Billy@hotmail.com> wrote
>
> > I've been anticipating the
> > arrival of these 08's....I hope the are more appealing on the lot
> > than in these pics...
>
> Here's a question for everyone: would you forego a great car because
> its styling didn't appeal to you? When I first saw the new generation
> Civic of 1996, I hated it. I bought a '97, anyway. Did I like the '03
> Accord? Not at all. I bought an '04, anyway.... I still don't care
> for the styling, but for me it's a great car. (I admit I had
> considered the '04 Camry, but I didn't like ITS styling, either!)
>
>

I wouldn't buy a car if I didn't like the way it looked. There are too
many good choices out there to compromise. If Honda's not making
anything I like, I have no problem buying a Toyota or a Nissan. I'd
even buy an American car if the deal was right. I mean, hell, I have
had nothing but long-term problems with Chrysler products, but now with
a lifetime Powertrain warranty, I wouldn't hesitate to buy one if it fit
my needs. Especially if I were buying new and only expecting to keep it
for 5 or 6 years...


--
Joe - Registered Linux User #449481

"Hate is baggage, life is too short to go around pissed off all the
time..."
- Danny, American History X

 

"Howard Lester" <heylester@dakotacom.net> wrote in message
news:13cs3oambqv0i6b@corp.supernews.com...
> <Chief_Billy@hotmail.com> wrote
>
>> I've been anticipating the
>> arrival of these 08's....I hope the are more appealing on the lot than
>> in these pics...
>
> Here's a question for everyone: would you forego a great car because its
> styling didn't appeal to you?

Yes...but I find that after seeing them for awhile, getting used to them on
the road and seeing them 'in context' with others, cars that initially might
not appeal to me suddenly may...and v.v.

Regardless, since my local dealer will be selling the new Accord at MSRP..no
bump-up (I asked directly about this last weekend) I would wait until
December 27th-30th to purchase, if I were going to. Probably, I would wait a
year or two, if I could. When I bought my '01 Civic EX Coupe in 12/00, I got
it at invoice ($ 14,895). But that first year it did not come 'stock ' with
the nice wheels, and two years later they made minor changes to the body
which I really preferred to mine ( tail-lights, bumpers, etc. )

 

"Howard Lester" <heylester@dakotacom.net> wrote in message
news:13cs3oambqv0i6b@corp.supernews.com...
> <Chief_Billy@hotmail.com> wrote
>
>> I've been anticipating the
>> arrival of these 08's....I hope the are more appealing on the lot than
>> in these pics...
>
> Here's a question for everyone: would you forego a great car because its
> styling didn't appeal to you?

Yes...but I find that after seeing them for awhile, getting used to them on
the road and seeing them 'in context' with others, cars that initially might
not appeal to me suddenly may...and v.v.

Regardless, since my local dealer will be selling the new Accord at MSRP..no
bump-up (I asked directly about this last weekend) I would wait until
December 27th-30th to purchase, if I were going to. Probably, I would wait a
year or two, if I could. When I bought my '01 Civic EX Coupe in 12/00, I got
it at invoice ($ 14,895). But that first year it did not come 'stock ' with
the nice wheels, and two years later they made minor changes to the body
which I really preferred to mine ( tail-lights, bumpers, etc. )

 

Slacker wrote:
> "W" <nugr**v*@excite.com> wrote in message
> news:VKCdndoPL_-uJFbbnZ2dnUVZ_ryqnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> http://automobiles.honda.com/2008-ac...e=accord+coupe
>>
>
> The horsepower bump is nice.
>
> But the sedan is butt-ugly--

Compared to a 2007/8 Toyota Camry it is a great looking car.

 

Slacker wrote:
> "W" <nugr**v*@excite.com> wrote in message
> news:VKCdndoPL_-uJFbbnZ2dnUVZ_ryqnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> http://automobiles.honda.com/2008-ac...e=accord+coupe
>>
>
> The horsepower bump is nice.
>
> But the sedan is butt-ugly--

Compared to a 2007/8 Toyota Camry it is a great looking car.

 

tww1491 wrote:
> "W" <nugr**v*@excite.com> wrote in message
> news:VKCdndoPL_-uJFbbnZ2dnUVZ_ryqnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> http://automobiles.honda.com/2008-ac...e=accord+coupe
>>
> I would guess that 177 hp I4 will allow regular and get about the same
> mileage as the current I4. The question is whether the 190 hp I4 will
> perform at the same level of efficiency as the current I and on regular.
> Doubt it. My old 01 Prelude with the 2.2 I4 at 195/200 hp required premium.
>
>

I suspect that the 190 hp I4 is very similar to the 205 hp I4 of the
present US market TSX, but perhaps on regular instead of premium fuel.

 

tww1491 wrote:
> "W" <nugr**v*@excite.com> wrote in message
> news:VKCdndoPL_-uJFbbnZ2dnUVZ_ryqnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> http://automobiles.honda.com/2008-ac...e=accord+coupe
>>
> I would guess that 177 hp I4 will allow regular and get about the same
> mileage as the current I4. The question is whether the 190 hp I4 will
> perform at the same level of efficiency as the current I and on regular.
> Doubt it. My old 01 Prelude with the 2.2 I4 at 195/200 hp required premium.
>
>

I suspect that the 190 hp I4 is very similar to the 205 hp I4 of the
present US market TSX, but perhaps on regular instead of premium fuel.

 

On 2007-08-22 19:43:47 -0400, "tww1491" <twaugh5@***.net> said:

> I would guess that 177 hp I4 will allow regular and get about the same
> mileage as the current I4. The question is whether the 190 hp I4 will
> perform at the same level of efficiency as the current I and on regular.
> Doubt it. My old 01 Prelude with the 2.2 I4 at 195/200 hp required premium.

Probably didn't "require" premium -- except to be able to claim the
advertised horsepower.

 

On 2007-08-22 19:43:47 -0400, "tww1491" <twaugh5@***.net> said:

> I would guess that 177 hp I4 will allow regular and get about the same
> mileage as the current I4. The question is whether the 190 hp I4 will
> perform at the same level of efficiency as the current I and on regular.
> Doubt it. My old 01 Prelude with the 2.2 I4 at 195/200 hp required premium.

Probably didn't "require" premium -- except to be able to claim the
advertised horsepower.

 

On 2007-08-22 08:06:29 -0400, "Slacker" <Slacker@> said:

> But the sedan is butt-ugly-- looks like it was designed by some 20-something
> California surfer boy with body-piercings and flames painted on the side of
> his computer case....

What happened to the crew who designed the slick, sleek Civic? Must
have dumped them for the ones who threw the Accord design together.

 

On 2007-08-22 08:06:29 -0400, "Slacker" <Slacker@> said:

> But the sedan is butt-ugly-- looks like it was designed by some 20-something
> California surfer boy with body-piercings and flames painted on the side of
> his computer case....

What happened to the crew who designed the slick, sleek Civic? Must
have dumped them for the ones who threw the Accord design together.

 

"Torpeau" <torpeau@mac.com> wrote in message
news:46d205d5$0$18786$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> On 2007-08-22 19:43:47 -0400, "tww1491" <twaugh5@***.net> said:
>
>> I would guess that 177 hp I4 will allow regular and get about the same
>> mileage as the current I4. The question is whether the 190 hp I4 will
>> perform at the same level of efficiency as the current I and on regular.
>> Doubt it. My old 01 Prelude with the 2.2 I4 at 195/200 hp required
>> premium.
>
> Probably didn't "require" premium -- except to be able to claim the
> advertised horsepower.
>
.....or to prevent knocking/preignition which if frequent can cause piston
damage....

 

"Torpeau" <torpeau@mac.com> wrote in message
news:46d205d5$0$18786$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> On 2007-08-22 19:43:47 -0400, "tww1491" <twaugh5@***.net> said:
>
>> I would guess that 177 hp I4 will allow regular and get about the same
>> mileage as the current I4. The question is whether the 190 hp I4 will
>> perform at the same level of efficiency as the current I and on regular.
>> Doubt it. My old 01 Prelude with the 2.2 I4 at 195/200 hp required
>> premium.
>
> Probably didn't "require" premium -- except to be able to claim the
> advertised horsepower.
>
.....or to prevent knocking/preignition which if frequent can cause piston
damage....

 

In article <d9adnZ0McM1CkU_bnZ2dnUVZ_t-gnZ2d@comcast.com>,
"Slacker" <Slacker@> wrote:

> > Probably didn't "require" premium -- except to be able to claim the
> > advertised horsepower.
> >
> ....or to prevent knocking/preignition which if frequent can cause piston
> damage....

.....which is why they have engine controls to detect and prevent that...